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December 08, 2005
Monkey Gender WarsYou know that old gender fight about boys’ toys versus girl’s toys? That boys play with toy cars and guns and girls with dolls because of an oppressive patriarchy molding their little blank slates into arbitrary gender roles? Yeah, a lot of that wilted in the face of previous studies on just how early boys and girls preferred their respective sexes’ “assigned” toys. Also, try as you might with all that “Free to be you and me” noise, boys forced to play with dolls would often start using them as guns and cars, comically using them to shoot at each other, or racing them over tables. Vroom, vroom. WASHINGTON — Just like human boys and girls, male monkeys like to play with toy cars while female monkeys prefer dolls, a research project has shown. Part of my delight in stories like this has nothing to do with sticking it to the extreme sect of feminism. That’s just a bonus. Really, anything that helps bury the notion of man’s infinitely malleable nature is just double-plus good to me. Tired but true, history's greastest evils have been leveled by utopia-seekers remodeling societies in accordance with their vision of what man’s inner character could be, if only..... Anyway, I draw pleasure in knowing there’s something retrograde in mankind that won’t go along for the ride, an intractable imperfection guaranteeing them failure. But then again, I also love sticking it to the Dworkin crowd. Their predicted feminist research counter-offensive? "Study shows monkey math biased against female monkeys’ "ways of knowing.'" (h/t comment on Althouse.) posted by Dr. Reo Symes at 04:59 PM
CommentsBah! Everyone knows that monkeys inhabit an inherently Patriarchal and oppressive society as well!!! I mean, we've all heard of King Kong. But has anyone ever heard of a "Queen Kong"? Nope. Cause them oppresive glass ceiling monkeys are rigid with the gender roles.
Posted by: Jack M. on December 8, 2005 05:10 PM
Here's some crap: International Red Cross censors the Red Star of David symbol used by Jewish aid organizations. Arabs don't like the Red Star, go figure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocol_III For many years, the MDA (Red Shield of David), Israel's version of the Red Cross, used a red Magen David or Star of David as its only symbol. During that period, the MDA was excluded from full membership in the International Federation of the Red Cross and Red Crescent because of the refusal of a number of (predominantly Arab) member states to allow its participation. Under Protocol III, the MDA will continue to employ the red Magen David for domestic use, and will employ the red crystal on international relief missions. What a wonderful combination of NGO's, antisemitism, political correctness, censorship, and NewSpeak. A perfect storm of leftism! Posted by: Mark on December 8, 2005 05:17 PM
But would an ape make a human doll. . . that talked?!? On a more serious note, what about the gay monkeys? What toys did they play with? On second thought, don't share. Cheers, Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge on December 8, 2005 05:20 PM
Are there gay monkeys? For all those who believe it is biology alone, there shd be lots of gay monkeys. Posted by: on December 8, 2005 05:28 PM
(1) There really are such things as gay monkeys. Animals usually engage in homosexual behavior only when crowded, deprived of normal heterosexual contact, or otherwise subjected to stress. However, Erwin and Maple (1976) describe two male rhesus monkeys who lived together for 19 months and engaged in "reciprocal mounting with anal penetration." When paired individually with females, the male monkeys would exhibit conventional heterosexual behavior. However, when the two were put in a cage together with a female, they would hassle her and direct all their affections toward each other. Of course, nothing says these monkeys' weren't raised by overly-protective monkey mothers, making them wear little monkey dresses and the like, regretting they didn't have little monkey girls. Posted by: Dr. Reo Symes on December 8, 2005 05:34 PM
Growing up my sister had 2 female rabbits that 'went gay', which would have been hot if they weren't, you know, rabbits. Posted by: Defense Guy on December 8, 2005 05:39 PM
do gay monkeys fling poo? Posted by: Dave in Texas on December 8, 2005 06:07 PM
Okay, but dogs will hump anything whether neutered or not. If you're a dog and the only thing available is it's brother, if you know what I mean, and the only thing penetratable is the dog's anus, I'm not sure that means they are gay. It just happened so to speak. I would assume all animals have humping behavior. Posted by: on December 8, 2005 06:10 PM
There was a story in the news about a couple of gay penguins awhile back. Can't remember the details, I think I was laughing too hard to finish the story.
Posted by: B Moe on December 8, 2005 06:17 PM
About the dogs: Yeah, I think that's what the monkey's described in that link are. Heterosexuals that are situationally gay. Repeating stuff from another thread, my take is that the brain is either gay or straight despite obseved behavior. Straight brained men can have sex with men and still be straight under this view - see prison, pirates, etc. The monkeys are probably like this, ie they'll go gay if denied chicks. As for the deepr question, are there 'gay brained' animals, such that they prefer their won sex when given a choice? Well, it would be hard to really distinguish them - it's hard enough with humans, and with animlas we have to rely on observed behavior, but I've read that 'gay preferred' is observed in male sheep. Some percentage, not super-rare either, prefer sex with like sex, even if opportuniry otherwise. You could probably could google it if you cared. And not sure about other species, though. Posted by: Dr. Reo Symes on December 8, 2005 06:28 PM
I've read that homosexuality is pretty common in parrots, including lifetime pair-bonds. However, it's very difficult for humans to tell the sexes apart in most parrot species. Apparently they've got the same problem. Posted by: utron on December 8, 2005 06:31 PM
But humping in dogs, so I've heard, is less about sex and more about dominance. I don't think male animals do the nasty with other male animals b/c of some biological urge to procreate. Anyway . . . Males also preferred balls while females fancied cooking pots. Am I suppose to seriously belief that monkeys now can cook let alone that they even know what a fkn cooking pot is ? What's next? 14% of monkey coeds make out with each other at parties? Posted by: on December 8, 2005 06:37 PM
I'd say the anonymous poster above just called bullshit on this "study". Monkey cooking pots... LOL! I got yer "monkey balls" right heeeyere... Posted by: David Ross on December 8, 2005 08:16 PM
I supose the evolutionist crack-pots are going to use this as a way to try and prove this darwinism poppycock hogwash? Posted by: spurwing plover on December 8, 2005 11:12 PM
From the article - People used to think that boys and girls played differently because of the way they were brought up. Um, no. "People" have never thought that; "feminists" and "womyn's studies' professors" thought that. Anyone who'd ever actually been around young children knows that boys and girls are different. To paraphrase Dave Barry, if you stranded a group of little girls on one island and a group of little boys on another, the little girls would cook and create homes and build a society, and the little boys would all fight over the one stick of wood that was shaped like a gun. All the womyn's studies classes in the world won't change that, thank God. Posted by: Kimberly on December 8, 2005 11:37 PM
Uh, I don't think you can find a more overtly moronic study than the one quoted that finds girl monkeys prefer cookware. Jeesh! Posted by: on December 9, 2005 12:28 AM
Yeah, that pot thing is weird. I can't imagine an explanation for that short of little monkey ovens somewhere. Posted by: Dr. Reo Symes on December 9, 2005 01:22 AM
Alas, the raw data appendix at the end of the study reveals what I'd always feared - the monkeys who touched the Player's Handbook, the lead minis, and the polyhedral dice were never again so much as glanced at by the female monkeys... :( Posted by: Lum the Annoyed on December 9, 2005 01:37 AM
I swore that my boys would never play with guns (a friend of mine had been murdered with a handgun). They turned ANTHING into a gun to play. I took a chill pill and life went on. Personally, I think boys NEED agressive toys/games/sports to channel their energy; when they don't, they take it out on each other. Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom on December 9, 2005 06:12 AM
Anyone who has spent anytime at all around animals knows these differences are innate. I was a penguin keeper at SeaWorld for 13 years (there's a conversation stopper), and even though penguin chicks have no external sexual dimorphism, with experience you could pretty much sort'em out by personality, even when they were tiny babies. Of course there were always a few androgynous ones, the ones we had to name "Pat" until they grew up and laid an egg or something, indicating their sex. You shouldn't get me started on their sex habits, but here's a couple of items. A lot of it varies by species. For example, gentoos tend to be very monogamous, and we had a pair of longtime companion males that stayed together for years, even though there were unattached females in the flock. That I could kind of understand, but the King penguins still puzzle me. Kings are seasonally monogamous, and they tend to switch partners every year. So we would have a hetero pair successfully raise a chick one year, and then the next year both partners would turn gay and pair up with someone of the same sex. The new male pair would incubate a rock for 60 days, and the female pair would just as diligently care for their infertile egg. And this happened several times with different pairs. Some male kings will ejaculate on anything that remotely resembles a female penguin's back, like the the boots and vinyl overalls we wore. You'd be sitting on the fake ice, observing the birds, and Mr. Friendly King would climb into your lap (how cute!), all 35 pounds of him, move his tail around some, and leave you a little gift on your leg. I thought the practitioners of the AoSHQ Lifestyle would especially appreciate that last little story.. Posted by: stace on December 9, 2005 11:19 AM
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