Well done, once again, Ace.

If Republifags had any respect for the truth they would know that Pinter is correct, George idiot draft dodging Bush is a war criminal. However, I'm sure the majority of morons who post here will go on justifying his crimes, because fag Republicans have no respect for the law.

I prefer to think of myself as a Liberqueerian, PLV.

The guy's signature element as a playwright is the pregnant pause. the awkward silence. Kind of a shame he can't bring himself to take that to its ultimate level.

"I prefer to think of myself as a Liberqueerian, PLV."

Good for you. Should I call you Queenie?

Well, you could do, Vet. Though I'm also a bit of an anarcho-poofter, when you get right down to it.

Isn't this a school day?

...As a salesman it is out on its own and its most saleable commodity is self-love."

Isn't that why we invented INTERNET?

Can't we find some other old guy to kick Pinter's ass? What about George Costanza'a dad? He seems like just the guy to smack this doddering old fool into Hell.

I know Pinter is right, but we need to get some old goons together to beat him up, so he can no longer tell the truth.

Meanwhile we need to think of a way to justify this war, from a legal point of view.

I'll do it.

Isn't that why we invented INTERNET?

we = Algore

More of his idiotic blabbering why dont he go stick his foot in his mouth and keep his big fat stupid piehole closed

That thud you heard was poor spurwing plover.

Irony poisoning.

Dear liberal progressive truth-tellers: the war is not "illegal"--it was declared effectively by Congress and the resulting Iraqi government has been authorized by no less a divine body of angels and moral paragons than the United Nations Security Council. I have yet to understand the sense of self-congratulatory and self-righteous anger and heroism claimed by those who oppose Bush. Pinter is in no danger, nobody fears him, nobody wants to hurt him, or deny him the right to go drooling and dribbling into senescence.

Perhaps Proud Liberal Vet has inside knowledge that leads him to believe that the US is a criminal. He must've participated in atrocities or helped run one of the death camps that everyone is so afraid to talk about.

Liberal Vet, give us details. When you were in the military, just how many people did you rape, torture, incinerate? How many mass graves did you help fill? Your victims cry out for the truth.

Paul I pray each day that a Republican would come to my house and threaten me. However, like you I know that will never happen.

Now which particular laws is it exactly are you referring to which authorized the invasion of Iraq?

What's your address, PLV? I'll come over to your place and threaten you.

Now, let me guess what your reply will be... "You faggy Republifag Refaglican! You don't have the balls, fag!"

Just heard Pinter on the radio. He sounds like he is on death's door. I guess the esophogeal cancer is old news, but it doesn't sound like he has long to live. All that bile he spews is cutting what little time he has left short.

What's with the republifag slurs? We're all fags and homos here and proud of it.

"What's your address, PLV? I'll come over to your place and threaten you."

Can I use the email address in your posts?

Help me out here. Can we make a list of some right-wing military dictators from the last 50 years NOT supported by the US?

How about Franco? Jeez, even THAT one is problematic..., but that's the best off the top of my head.

Making Pinter's case are Pinochet, Suharto, Noriega ...

Some would argue about Saddam, but I'd say he makes Pinter's case, over the long haul.

I think that PLV is right, I am tired of ignoring the truth. I want to be better.

Help me ,PLV:
What are the war crimes that BusHitler is accused of, specifically?
What laws did Bushitler make us break?
And what proud service did you provide and with which unit?

Given your concern for truth and justice, I look forward to your response.

Tubino,

You're right too. And the US created slavery too.

We are bad people.

I am starting to see the light.

*Beep*

*Beep*

Sensor's picking up the presence of stale soda and nachos...

*Beep*

Okay, there's the fetid smell of sweat and piss that happens when someone spends too much time in the basement.

*Beep*

And the distinct whiff of bullshit.

Yup, Proud Liberal Vet's been here.

Watch where you step.

You know, I really can't respect a progressive playwriter until he starts having a lot of hot gay man sex in his plays. Otherwise, I think he recitations of the blah blah blah about America are just cowardly.

You guys forgot to say where Pinter is wrong. Except for taking exception about the legality of the war.

Got anything?

Tubino,

I have a much more quantitative way of determining national 'evil' (I used that word even though I know you don't believe in 'good versus evil', per se, however, in reference to the USA, its appropriate and is the only authorized exception to the law of moral equivalence for liberals).

Instead of using obvious qualifiers to skew your questions (and Pinter's diatribe), let's say we be bold and sassy and not just look at "right-wing" dictators, let's look at them all? Mmmmkay? And why, pray tell, is "50 years" your benchmark? Was there any sort of geopolitical change around say, 50 or 60 years ago that would skew your answer?

And instead of just basing our judgement of dictators on the an 'ewww...Noriega was ICKY!" factor, lets use something quantitative. Something that we know is probably a pretty good yardstick for 'evil'. How about body counts?

So, round one in the dicatator 'body count' analysis and whether or not the US was their best buddy, here is my list:

Name? Mao
Supported by USA? No
Hot or Not? Yeah baby!
Body Count: 10 million? 20mm? I don't know.

Name? Castro / Che
Supported by USA? No
Hot or Not? Ci!
Body Count: None yet! :-) Cuba is paradise!

Name: Stalin
Supported by USA? "Problematic" (mostly "no", but we 'armed' him in our fight with Hitler, so its sort of like Cheney selling arms to Saddam in his war with Iran, no?)
Hot or Not? Not anymore, but a favorite of the left in the 30's and 40's
Body Count: A gazillion.

Name: Milosovec
Supported by USA? No (vs Europe, which did support him)
Hot or Not? Not. Thus we can bomb him 'illegally'.
Body Count: 100,000? More? Less?

Name: The Mullahs in Iran
Supported by USA? No, we supported the evil Shah!
Hot or Not? Only in that anthropological way, but not so much in the college t-shirt logo factor.
Body Count: TBD

Okay, I'm tired of this.

PLV-Anytime someone puts the word "Proud" in front of their moniker it usually means they are looking for something for free: "Proud Mexican illegal immigrant" "Proud black American born muslim" "Proud undereducated, never been gainfully employed handout seeker" etc., etc. What are you looking for? some sugar for your Kool-Aid?

HLV:

You could add Qaddafi, Idi Amin, Kim Jong-il, Charles Taylor, and Pol Pot.

What's "Proud Liberal Vet" looking for?

Based on his posting history, he's looking for some fine Republifag man-meat. With him, it's really a predator-prey situation, though.

tubino--

In your belief system, aren't "right wing" and "supported by the US" pretty much synonymous?

Humble Fascist Vet gave you the beginnings of a list. He didn't mention Pol Pot, Kim Il Sung, Idi Amin, Jean-Bedel Boukassa (Giscard-d'Estaing's boy toy), or a couple of dozen other African dictators. Now I'll sit back and watch you scamper all over the field with the goal posts.

Here's a hint: by "support," you mean "deal with commercially." Which is something like eighty percent of the planet.

Along with HFV's question, does anyone else get the feeling that PLV has as much military experience as Micah Wright? My sincerest apologies if I'm incorrect but he seems wrong to me.

I am starting to think that Heinlein was right about the franchise and military service.

send PLV on over. I might break him in but then I'll make him my dog's bitch.

Howard Dean is the gift that keeps on giving:
", Dean said, "They kind of cherry-picked that one the same way the president cherry-picked the intelligence going into Iraq."
If he stays the course with these failed tactics, gains in the 2006 elections are a assurred! Smells like filbusterproof :)

Actually, Mao probably killed more than all the other 20th century nuts put together.

So, is Harold going to put his money where his mouth is and donate his prize money to Saddam's legal defense fund?

Yes, but as noted above, "right wing" dictators fits the left's argument very well, so let's just be polite and let guys like Mao off the hook.

In fact, when I get my Nobel Prize, I would like to make the same argument that Pinter did (and then be very snobby and say "refute that, republifags!")

"the Winners of Nobel Peace Prizes had not only lied to justify waging genocide against their own people, neighbors, etc.. but had also "supported and in many cases engendered every left-wing military dictatorship" in the last 100 years.
"The crimes of the Nobel Peace Prize winners have been systematic, constant, vicious, remorseless, but very few people have actually talked about them," Mr. Humber Fascist Veterinarian said. "

Nice try, HFV. But since we supported not only the USSR, but also China during WWII, any subsequent or previous event -bad event - is our fault.

I don't think you should try to introduce any other facts into the discussion, whether they were at war with a common enemy.

Its the same with Iraq, we played them off of Iran during the 80's. Therefore, we can never, ever disassociate ourselves with them. Ok, enough sarcasm. You are dealing with people who memorize their talking points from the same guy, who on 9-11, was justifying the WTC deaths because of the civil war in Nicauragua. I am surprised to see this thread feeding a troll so heavily.

Bonus point, since we "armed" Saddam, how many Iraqi troops were armed with M16's, M1's, or any other American weapon in either Gulf war? I mean, its a matter of lefty folklore, the movie Jarhead had a throwaway line about us arming Saddam, so why were we blowing up T-72s and AK47s?

so why were we blowing up T-72s and AK47s?

Good point, Joe. If you look at the percentages of arms sales between 1973 and 1990, you have:

USSR 57%
France 13%
China 12%
Czechoslovakia 7%
Poland 4%
Brazil 2%
Egypt 1%
Romania 1%
Denmark 1%
Libya 1%
USA 1%

Source here.

You could add Qaddafi, Idi Amin, Kim Jong-il, Charles Taylor, and Pol Pot.

WTF? These are all RIGHT-WING military dictators? And *I* am guilty of moving goalposts?!?!

"Support" takes many forms. The US supported the contras, the old guard in El Salvador, and the "freedom fighters" in Afghanistan.

But did anyone name a rightwing mil dictator not supported by the US?

In your body count, Suharto's numbers are similar to Pol Pot's.

But that 1% was the straw that broke the camel's back, don't you see?

That's a great link. As a moonbat will soon point out, we don't, indeed, have clean hands. However, this is the 'real world'. Put on the big boy pants and suck it up.

And it doesn't end there.

Our righteously progressive 'friends' in Europe don't get the attention that this would warrant. We'll spill gallons of ink on 'torture' of terrorists, but nary a word on what the Europeans are doing to create more death around the world.

Where is the moral equivalancy debate on this? The absolutes of "Evil" and "Good" only apply to one country in the tangerine psychosis of moonbat analysis.

Link also here:
http://www.iansa.org/regions/europe/documents/undermining_security/brokering_transport.htm

so who is better to rule the world?

geoff,

Aren't you providing figures for support of a SOCIALIST tyrant (Saddam)?

Kinda off-topic, no? :)

So who is better to rule the world?

Troll world:

"In your body count, Suharto's numbers are similar to Pol Pot's."

"Qaddafi, Idi Amin, Kim Jong-il, Charles Taylor, and Pol Pot.WTF? These are all RIGHT-WING military dictators?"

You people should really not play around with the insane.

Anyone who uses the MoonCup, that's who, you oppressing worshippers of Baal.

PLV has as much military experience as Micah Wright

We called him on it weeks ago, and again a few days ago. He made up some story about flying helicopters in Antarctica, and when pressed for a unit designation or an MOS he just cried "that's all I'm sayin"!

He's a liar and he sucks at it.

geoff, you gotta love it - the USA is farther down the list than Brazil for crying out loud.

but we "armed" Hussein. sheesh.

oh, joe, yeah we supported China in WWII, but it was the Nationalists under Chiang Kai-Shek, not Mao's communists. Some arms probably went their way since they were surely engaged against the Japanese too.

but the whole discussion is a false argument anyway, "right-wing" is a bullshit connotation from the lying Amerikkka hater..

...tangerine psychosis of moonbat analysis...

Say, I like that, HFV.

(...and I still don't think that sounds like tubino).

Saddam should be back in power! Bush lied, kids died! Quagmire! Halliburton!

So, PLV... What are you doing later, big boy?

Uh. Turbino. Are you saying that the Ayatallah was not right wing? I could probably make the case that others on the list were more 'right-wing' than 'left-wing', but those are mainly subjective terms without any clear definition.

Are you saying that its 'not fair' to include ALL dictators, just those that you define as 'right-wing'?

Which is to say, you want to define the debate on the only terms where you even have a chance of sounding correct?

Again, let's be serious and look at who supported which dictator based on a quantitative count of estimated body bags.

Its not so much that I am moving the goal posts on you, as that I am putting up a goal post on both sides of the field, and not just on one side. Think about it.

That was my point, dave. Troll arguments ignore all those points.

as for the "rightwing" connotation, yeah, its lame that any dictator not outright dedicated to death camp socialism like Pol Pot or Kim or those geniuses in Eithiopia is "rightwing." Rightwing dictator is an oxymoron anyway, "I believe in free markets, limited government, and gun ownership. But I am your dictator, do what I say...".

Most of these trolls are only capable of memorizing (cut and pasting nowadays) a "point" and then posting it. over and over.

I pray tubino's better at reading schematics than he is at debate or logical argument. Otherwise, a whole hell of a lot of tube components are going to premature fiery deaths.

Or maybe, since most dictators did not want to slaughter 1/3rd of their population (like Pol Pot, not Suharto, you shit head), they were willing to side against the USSR in the cold war. Ergo, right wing?

Its a socialistic solipicism.
If you are not for us, then you are bad.

Pol Pot was definately reading some Marx and Lenin, but you can bet that Taylor or Qadafi were not reading Rand of Jefferson.

*aside* I love it when Rush reads the rest of the polls, 54% want some timetable but only 8% support cut and run.

Tubino, could you offer a definition of "right wing" that would allow us to draw a clear distinction between right-wing dictators and left-wing dictators? Something a little more substantive than "people I don't like" would be helpful. As I noted above, you seem to use the terms "right-wing," "US-supported," and "people I don't like" more or less interchangeably.

And we all know that you're luridly opposed to the war in Iraq, so it's not like you have a problem with murderous, thuggish dictators per se.

Well, here's a start:

"Qaddafi, Idi Amin, Kim Jong-il, Charles Taylor, and Pol Pot.WTF? These are all RIGHT-WING military dictators?"

Why bother?

Joe, I'm not asking for information purposes. Strictly for entertainment value.

To whichever moonbat it was who asked me what law was broken; it was the several hundred-year-old principle of not attacking those states that have not attacked you first. I figured a genius like you would know that, unless of course, you are just another loud mouth fag Republican, blowing off steam.

Actually, Mao is said to have killed 77 MILLION!!!

To whichever moonbat it was who asked me what law was broken; it was the several hundred-year-old principle of not attacking those states that have not attacked you first.

Law?

Principle?

You do realize those aren't the same things, yes?

I do wonder whether or not you realize how ahistorical that comment is, however.

There's a difference between principles and laws.

I figured a genius like you would know that.

"The crimes of the United States have been systematic, constant, vicious, remorseless, but very few people have actually talked about them," Mr. Pinter said."

"If Republifags had any respect for the truth they would know that Pinter is correct, George idiot draft dodging Bush is a war criminal. However, I'm sure the majority of morons who post here will go on justifying his crimes, because fag Republicans have no respect for the law."

See a pattern here (no I'm not referring to PLV's enlightened and accepting view of gays)? Liberals mooing among the herd about the "crimes everyone knows about but is afraid to discuss", without providing any facts or citations that people could respond to.

Here's more:
"Paul I pray each day that a Republican would come to my house and threaten me. However, like you I know that will never happen."

He *prays*, *every day*, that a Republican would come to his house and threaten him. This is what I'm talking about - libs LOVE to feel persecuted. And if they can't find a persecutor well then by the Goddess they will just make one up and play make believe.

PLV and Pinter - birds of a feather.

Yep, PLV still can't site an actual law that was broken. How. Utterly. Fucking. Typical.

Such a sad, silly little troll.

"To whichever moonbat it was who asked me what law was broken; it was the several hundred-year-old principle of not attacking those states that have not attacked you first. I figured a genius like you would know that, unless of course, you are just another loud mouth fag Republican, blowing off steam."

Oh so a principle was broken, and this makes GW eligible to be a war criminal. I get it now.

BTW we here are "wingers" not "moonbats" - go review your KOS approved handbook on the accepted terms for addressing the morally inferior. BAD liberal. Bad.

Pinter said:

....the United States had not only lied to justify waging war against Iraq but had also "supported and in many cases engendered every right-wing military dictatorship" in the last 50 years.
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This is what drives me nuts about Leftists. They've been criticizing the US for its Realist foreign policy against the USSR of supporting authoritarian governments that persecute communist movements in their countries. Now that the Cold War is over, there is now an idealistic movement in American foreign policy to foster the spread of democracy in regions of the world where it hasn't been able to take root, at the expense of the most brutal regimes imaginable. But to to Leftists, this American foreign policy IS EVEN WORSE! Even stranger is when you start reading Leftists praising the clear-eyed wisdom of Realism and praising the likes of Brent Scowcroft, Kissinger, and George HW Bush.

mmm, troll called you guys fags. tee hee. he wins.

for those of you fags that care about international law, there are UN resolutions. For studly, he-man americans like me, there were the several resolutions 1. making regime Iraqi change US policy. 2. allowing president to use force against Iraq. and the cease fire agreement from the first war. You know, it was written after Saddam broke the code from time immemorial of not invading neighbors yada yada ...

Utron, BTW, has some tolerance for pain if getting troll to flesh out statements cut and pasted from moonbat central. I would find this more entertaining. hit your left hand with a hammer. tell your left hand "i did not just hit you with a hammer." repeat until family intervenes. just as worthwhile in my mind.

when is that edit feature comming to mu.nu? I meant to say that "Utron, BTW, has some tolerance for pain if getting troll to flesh out statements cut and pasted from moonbat central is his idea of fun."

" Rightwing dictator is an oxymoron anyway, "I believe in free markets, limited government, and gun ownership. But I am your dictator, do what I say..."."

That was Pinochet, pretty much. (Probably not the gun ownership thing).

(Probably not the gun ownership thing).

Funny how that's the one thing all dictators, whther Right Wing, Left Wing, or Buffalo Wing, have in common, don't you think?

I sort of like Republifags. It's pithy. And does not AoSHQ embrace Americans of all creeds, color, and sexual orientation?

it was the several hundred-year-old principle of not attacking those states that have not attacked you first.

Uh, yeah, that 'principle.' Right.

Wasn't Morocco the first country we invaded when we joined WWII?

And does not AoSHQ embrace Americans of all creeds, color, and sexual orientation?

Just as long as they have big boobies!

I don't make the laws, I just follow them. Too bad Republifags have no respect for the law.

There's a difference between principles and laws.

public school systems really don't start covering those concepts until high school.

who the fuck has an email address from americanhero.com?

The troll is really full of himself. I just hope someone out there has small enough balls to respond to troll's teensy nut comments. My pen is mighter is too big to argue with the seeming iron-clad argument he puts forward.

who the fuck has an email address from americanhero.com?

The troll is really full of himself. I just hope someone out there has small enough balls to respond to troll's teensy nut comments. My pen is mighter is too big to argue with the seeming iron-clad argument he puts forward.

joeindc44 as soon as you get through grammer school let me know and perhaps we can chat. I don't think you are ready for the truth or the facts yet. It is difficult to face the truth when first emerging from a world filled with fantasy and propoganda.

That's spelled 'grammar,' idiot.

Wow, you r so smrt, its almost like you have no balls at all.

maybe joe, but I don't feel like babysitting (someone famous said that I think),

later

Just to fill troll into what's going on here, I try to refer to trolls in the third person. Like an inanimate object. I was trying to make a Sean Connery "the pen is mightier" joke, but I failed. Because I am stupid, fat and ugly. and I lie a lot.

I just want to point out to everyone that if you are going to attack someone who-gasp-has bad typing on a board, don't use the "go to school" argument until you spell checked your post.

And "propaganda."

yup, click on the link, its kinda funny. "No entry found for propoganda."

"I don't make the laws, I just follow them. Too bad Republifags have no respect for the law."

Yep, it still hasn't come up with an actual law (you know, one that's on the books) that was broken. Right... How completely typical.

What a sad little troll it is.

Is Proud Liberal Vet the guy who was based in Antartica (sic), and then "retired" into the Special Forces?

That's the guy. Went into the Special Forces after introducing the penguin-ho's of Ice Station Zebra to the strong, musky embrace of a real American Hero (check out his link).

Well, some helicopter commands are part of the special forces world.

Too bad Republifags have no respect for the law.

Yeah, like those Republifags Al "No controlling legal authortiy" Gore and Bill "depends what you mean by is" Clinton.

Z is just taking those comments out of context. Totally unfair and unrelated.

Take Tom Delay, he conspired, uh nevermind....

Mmm, Clinton, now THERE's a man. God, I wish I was Monica.

So, about that Pinter guy...

Sorry about the spelling. I spent my youth protecting this country rather than going to school. I wanted to make sure this land was free for Republifags to spit on veterans.

I guess you should have stayed in school, then. We all would have been better off.

I have respect for veterans. I just sort of doubt you are one.

Although I'm quite sure there have been military guys based in Antarctica, I'm also certain they number in the low hundreds, tops, which makes your career -- Vietnam to Antarctica to Special Forces -- rather, umm, fanciful.

Quick Question: Did you kill Eric Bogosian on a train? Just wondering.

In dumbass fake vet's world, people wear hats on their feet and humburgers eat people!

It seems my legend has grown. I went from Vietnam, to the Artic, then the Antartic, and then to SF. I didn't claim to be in the special forces, nor was I in Korea.

There were thousands of us who served. I don't know what the big deal is. Are the people here so dense that they don't believe the services have Liberals in them. Not all of us ran like that chickenshit Bush.

Where were you based in the Arctic and Antarctic, SaPLV?

What units were you in?

and I drank Agent Orange for breakfast!

More specifically SaPLV, what was your MOS?

Not all of us ran like that chickenshit Bush.

So you voted for Bush I and Dole, right? Since you hate draft dodgers so much...

It took an hour for him to riposte with "I'm dum 'cause I veteran" after pointing out how troll would't talk to me until I finished school.

Who cares about troll? Is there anything worthwhile to discuss because right now troll's point is that he served. Like he is the only one on this thread.

"Sorry about the spelling. I spent my youth protecting this country rather than going to school." - splvtroll

Since schools teach spelling in like 1st through 6th grades, you must have enlisted early. Perhaps you should change your user name to 'Playpen Patrol' or 'Sandbox Sentinel'.

Or maybe one of you little fags could bend over so my dog can put a smile on your face.

What do you think cocksuckers?

I think people would be willing to give you more respect if you could demonstrate you were actually a veteran. But you seem to avoid wanting to give the simplest details.

A lot of guys who claim to be a "proud liberal veteran" get kinda sketchy about their unit or MOS because they don't want to make a mistake in their lie.

I don't understand why, if you're telling the truth, you can't provide the simplest details of your career.

Is it because you've never been in the military and have no idea what an MOS is?

I don't give a fuck if any of you faggots believe me or not.

Well then don't bitch and moan about us not giving you "respect." You have offered absolutely nothing to indicate you're a veteran at all, except your say-so, and a bizarre career (Vietnam to Arctic to Antarctica) trajectory.

Until you can provide any evidence whatsoever you are what you claim to be, you're only what you seem to be -- a troll, and a dishonest one at that, attempting to steal the valor of true veterans just to win arguments on the freaking internet of all places.

And you are just a peckerhead little fascist punk. I didn't seek respect and or ask for it. It's you fags who keep pushing the point. I just want to spend a few minutes insulting your chickenshit little hides, because conversation is obviously out of the question.

Yes, because you are a conversational genius, looking to hone your mad skilz.

I wanted to make sure this land was free for Republifags to spit on veterans.

what interesting is, I went to Iraq with 150 or so liberals. all of them returned, safely, some with some bumps and bruises, and not one of them spit on by anybody. in fact, they came home to parades and cheers, plus lots of admiration.

seems the only spitting being done by anybody was the liberals then, and the liberals now.

"And you are just a peckerhead little fascist punk. I didn't seek respect and or ask for it. It's you fags who keep pushing the point. I just want to spend a few minutes insulting your chickenshit little hides, because conversation is obviously out of the question."

It certainly is angry, isn't it? Angry, and quick to throw around epithets like "fag". I think it's actually cruising here. It ran out of Tom of Finland books and Palm Drive Videos, so it came here to troll for some right wing cock. Someone should tell it that the fake veteran act doesn't make it seem more butch...

Hey Laura Sweety. Don't forget, any time you want a real man let me know.

I know you love me.

Is the amateur pop psychology club out tonight?

As a real veteran I can only hope you're not, SaPLV. Because if you are, you're a disgrace to the uniform you wore. It doesn't have to do with your politics either; it has to do with your thinking your military service gives you any more standing then anybody else.

PLV:
I just want to spend a few minutes insulting your chickenshit little hides

I hear ya, man. I hear you. Far be it from me to object to that. More power to you!

Only, where are the good insults? It takes you a few minutes to come up with zingers like "you're cowards and fags"?! Dude. You're breakin' my heart, here.

The dorks at AoS HQ deserve to be insulted, PLV. It's what they're here for. So let me know if you ever manage to pull it off.

Yours fraternally in sociopathy, Sandy

Nothing to do with my politics. What a joke. Just because I didn't swallow the acid, like you. You are the disgrace, letting this idiot continue to kill your brothers.

You're all faggy Republifag fags, you fags! I hate draft dodgers! Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever!

I guess I'm just dazzled by the virtuosity of all you girly-men Sandy. The only thing I can come up with in the face of it, is fag.

Sue me.

"I guess I'm just dazzled by the virtuosity of all you girly-men Sandy. The only thing I can come up with in the face of it, is fag."

All of this macho swagger would have much more gravitas if it weren't so damned Rob Halford.

Troll smells like an 11 year old.

Of course, at this point, most of the AoSHQ studs are simply poking it with sticks as it limps around, trying to hiss. oh, so scary.

troll is so smert, his family jewels must be nanotubes.

Antarctica, shit. I'm still only in Antarctica. Every time I think I'm going to wake up back on the ice floe. When I was home after my first tour, it was worse. I'd wake up and there'd be nothing... I hardly said a word to my wife until I said yes to a divorce. When I was here I wanted to be there. When I was there, all I could think of was getting back into McMurdo. I've been here a week now. Waiting for a mission, getting softer. Every minute I stay in this tent I get weaker. And every minute Charlie squats in the snow he gets stronger.

Each time I look around the tent flaps move in a little tighter.

Everyone gets everything he wants. I wanted a mission, and for my sins they gave me one. Brought it up to me like room service. "

mmm, virtuosity is a good word.

How many hookers in Bangkok could you go through on 24 hours leave back in the 70's? Did it cost a month's pay? I heard that Dick Cheney became known as the White Elephant after one expedition.

This guy is pure NaCl. That's salty for all you landlubbers. Been there, done that, got the tshirt. And the Thai prostitutes.

I'll go first. I served with the 2146th Comm Group in Korea and the 62nd APS in Washington. Real veterans serve with real units. I've met liberals while in the service, but they still acted like men, not 14 year old boys playing on the internet.

So, Proud Liberal Vet...

What. Was. Your. MOS?

It's a pretty simple question.

Laugh all you want, but if Penguins were given half a chance they would kill you and everyone you ever cared for.

I'll admit - I was never in the military. I made it to Midshipman 3rd in ROTC but opted out of it after realizing I was just doing it because, as a military brat, I was doing it because it was comfortable - not because I thought I'd make a good Naval officer.

My father was in the military, however. 20 years in C-130s flying missions with VQ squadrons from Maryland to Hawaii.

I say this because I have nothing but respect for those who served, and nothing but disdain for those who pretend. And, Proud Liberal Vet, I think you're a pretender, as do many of us on this board.

I'm willing to admit I'm wrong, if I had some evidence to back it up, but you've been unwilling to provide it, so you can't really be surprised at our disbelief, can you?

So either prove your bona fides with some evidence, or quit disgracing those in uniform with what sounds like bullshit.

Here's mine: 751st Military Intelligence Battalion, Republic of Korea, then the 24th Infantry, 25th Infantry Division, Fort Lewis, Washington. I spent time in the lovely climate of Monterey, CA and the Biblical heat of San Angelo, TX. I even remember a hill at Fort Lewis that we used to call "Mount Mothefucker".

"Mount Motherfucker". Sorry, got in a hurry.

Jesus H Christ.
I've done it myself.
Wasted my time 'arguing' with tubby or PL(n)V(a), only to wonder...
Is it really someone that stupid, or am I dealing with one of our own, however twisted, who can't help dragging us in with his teasing?
Either way, a waste of time.
It's cocktail time.
Have some.
Leave trolls/teases dangling.

Troll will never learn the meaning of NNPS or SSN from me.

I was going to the worst place in the world, and I didn't even know it yet. Weeks away and hundreds of miles up a glacier that snaked through the ice like a main circuit cable and plugged straight into
Byrd. It was no accident that I got to be the caretaker of Admiral Richard E. Byrd's memory, any more than being back in McMurdo was an accident. There is no way to tell his story without telling
my own. And if his story is really a confession, then so is mine.

Hey UGADawg,

I was at DLI (North Vietnamese) and Goodfellow (Voice Intercept) too!

Dave,

Charlie don't surf.

From a previous post's comments:

The only thing we proved last time laura is what an ignorant cunt you are.
Fuck off bitch.

From today:

Hey Laura Sweety. Don't forget, any time you want a real man let me know.
I know you love me.

Mmmm Hmmm.
What a guy.

I know you love me.

Like Lizzie Borden loved Mom and Dad.

You misspelled "gay".

BrewFan,
I had a blast at DLI and loved the California coast. I drank at this one bar so much the owner sent me a T shirt overseas. I thought Goodfellow was an armpit; the Army guys got the short end of the stick there. I hated that training, sitting at that goddam desk all day.

Well, I guess we are gonna win this "argument" because we are veterans too. Now, where can I get that realamericanhero.com domain address?

How many penguins had I already killed? There was those six that I know about for sure. Close enough to blow their last fishy breath in my face. But this time it was an American and an officer. That wasn't
supposed to make any difference to me, but it did. Shit...charging a man with murder in this place was like handing out snow shovels to Roald Amundsen. I took the mission. What the hell else was I gonna do? But I didn't know what I'd do when I found him.

I love the smell of frozen troll in the morning!

The sled dog, the one they called Shep, was from New Orleans. He was wrapped too tight for Antarctica, probably wrapped too tight for New Orleans. Lance on the forward reins was a famous surfer from the beaches south of LA. You look at him and you wouldn't believe he ever fired a harpoon in his whole life. Clean, Mr. Clean, was from some South Bronx shithole. Ice and snow of Antarctica really put the zap on his head. Then there was Phillips, the sled driver. It might have been my mission, but it sure as shit was Phillips' sled.

When I was at DLI we got to live off post (Pacific Grove, sweet!) due to the crowded nature of the school! When we ran out of money (about 3 days after the eagle sh*t) we'd get chits at the NCO club. Those 2 hour lunch breaks were killers :)

Laura if I didn't treat you like shit, you wouldn't respect me.

Like I said whenever you get tired of all these fag poets and failed playwrights, let me know.

How many penguins had I already killed?

It doesn't matter, if you kill one there are two more to take it's place. The only way to defeat the threat of global penguinism is to take out their leader, Danny Devito must die.

Danny Devito must die.

I thought it was Burgess Meridith?

Hey PLV, what base were you stationed at while in Antarctica?

Eskimos. Don't forget those crafty, pudgy bastards. With their fur lined hoods and those igloos of pain.

Eskimos in Antarctica?

At first, I thought they handed me the wrong dossier. I couldn't believe they wanted this man dead. Third generation Annapolis, top of his class. North Pole, Virginia. About a thousand decorations.
Etc, etc... I'd seen his handwriting on the parchment and it really put a hook in me. But I couldn't connect up that scribbling with this man. Like they said he had an impressive career. Maybe too impressive... I mean perfect. He was being groomed for one of the top slots of the
corporation. Admiral, Assistant Director of Human Resources, anything... In 1912 he returned from a tour of advisory command in McMurdo and things started to slip. The report to the Joint Chiefs of Staff and Woodrow Wilson was restricted. Seems they didn't dig what he had to tell them. During the next few months he made three requests for transfer to flight training at Lakehurst NAV New Jersey. And he was finally accepted. Flight school? He was 38 years old. Why the fuck would he do that? 1926 he joined the US Navy Flying Boats, returns to Antarctica ...

I know there are no fucking Eskimos in Antarctica. Jeez, cut a man some slack.

The horror. The horror

Somebody let the troll know that we had an authorized, legal, principled, declaration of war from the UN going back to the 1st Gulf War.

Guess what? There was no peace treaty signed with Iraq after GW1. In fact, there were conditions that he had to comply with in order to get sanctions and relations normalized (little things, like disclosure / elimiation of WMD's, obey the no-fly zones, which he continually violated).

We were at war with Iraq all the way up until the 'second' Gulf War.

Article 1: The Antarctic Treaty of 1959

1. Antarctica shall be used for peaceful purposes only. There shall be prohibited, inter alia , any measure of a military nature, such as the establishment of military bases and fortifications, the carrying out of military manoeuvres, as well as the testing of any type of weapon.

Iraq was weak and defenseless. That is the only reason I can think of as to why the Republifags attacked it. If they really gave a fuck about freedom and democracy why would we be friends with Saudi Arabia, or Egypt. or any of those other shit holes. No Iraq had been disarmed, and really could not defend itself. It was the perfect target for a gutless, draft dodging, blue blooded pretend cocksucker like Bush. And what we have here are the idiots that support the criminal acts he is behind flopping around trying to pretend there is some piece of legislation that supports them. The best the lying little fucks can do is attack anyone who points the truth out to them.

Pinter is right; Bush is a fucking war criminal. He should be sitting in the same box with Saddam.

It was the Amundsen Expedition, First of the Norwegians, our escorts to the mouth of the Onyx river. But they were supposed to be waiting
for us another 30 kilometers ahead. Well, Dog-Sled Mobile, those boys just couldn't stay put. First of the Norwegians was an old accordian division that had cashed in its horses for dog sleds, and gone tear-assing around 'Tica, looking for the shit. They've given Charlie a few surprises in their time here. What they were mopping up now hadn't even happened an hour ago.

The irony of being called a liar by a guy lying about being a veteran is priceless.

dbs
A Real Veteran

Dave,

The "Antarctica Now" shit is frigging priceless.

No doubt, ace. You know how sometimes a joke can go one or two posts past it's expiration date? This one is still fresh as the day they squeezed it out of the cow.

Keep beating Dave, the horse ain't dead yet.

and here I was worrying I was nitpicking. Killing the thread.

AMUNDSEN
"What happened to your mission, captain ? Did Axel Heiberg forget all about you ?"

PROUD LIBERAL CHOPPER JOCK
"Sir, two places we can get into the river. Here and here. It's pretty wide delta but these are the only two spots I'm really sure of."

AMUNDSEN
"That weather station your pointing at is kinda hairy, Proud Liberal Chopper Jock."

PROUD LIBERAL CHOPPER JOCK
"What do you mean hairy, sir ?"

AMUNDSEN
"It's hairy. Got some pretty heavy ice there. I lost a few recon sleds there now and again. Is that goddamn Mount Fridtjof Nansen via the Liv Glacier? Damn Norwegian names all sound the same. Slublog, do you know anything about that point at Mount Fridtjof Nansen?"

SLUBLOG
"That's a fantastic peak."

AMUNDSEN
"Peak ?"

SLUBLOG
"About six feet. It got both the long right with left slide. It's unbelieveable, it's just Tube City..."

AMUNDSEN
"Well why the hell didn't you tell me that before ? There aren't any good peaks in this whole, shitty continent! It’s all goddamn ice floe."

SLUBLOG
"It's really hairy in there,sir. That's where we lost McDonnel - they harpooned the hell out of us. That's Charlie's point."

PROUD LIBERAL CHOPPER JOCK
"Sir, we can go there tomorrow at dawn. There's always a good off-shore breeze in the morning."

CHIEF
"We may not be able to get the sled in. The river may be too frozen."

AMUNDSEN
"We'll pick your sled up and put it down like a baby, right where you want it. This is First of the Norse, Snow Cav, son- snow-mobile. I can take that point and hold it as long as I like -- and you can get anywhere you want up that river that suits you, young captain. Hell, a six foot peak.

You take a steamship back to division -- Slublog, take Lance with you – let him pick out a board, and bring me my Yater Spoon -- the eight six."

SLUBLOG
"I don't know, sir -- it's -- it's --"

AMUNDSEN
"What is it explorer?

SLUBLOG
"It's pretty hairy in there - it's Charlie's point..."

AMUNDSEN
"Charlie don't ski!"

Hey cocksucker Dave, are you having fun. I think acehole wants to cornhole you. He is sending those signals your way. Are you catching them?

Funny shit, cocksucker Dave.

Seriously, Dave, show some respect.

This guy stormed the beach at Ice Station Zebra.

At any point are you going to realize the gay jokes don't bother us?

They're not even jokes. You're just calling people "faggot" and "cocksucker."

You're too dumb to even do a creditable job at homophobia.

I may have misspelled "creditible." Not sure if it's an a or an i.

I didn't go to school. I was drafted in 1973 to cut off the Ho Chi Minh trail at its most vital point-- twenty clicks inside the Queen Victoria Ice Shelf.

Needless to say, our mission was complicated when our base was invaded by a shape-shifting DNA-absorbing space monster.

It was very exciting, to say the least.

I understand that Ted Kennedy had like 5 heart attacks on the set of Antarctica Now.

Hey ace why don't you go fuck yourself you skinny little runt. Go write some more garbage.

You smell that? Do you smell that? Penguin shit, son. Nothing else in the world smells like that. I love the smell of penguin shit in the morning. You know, one time we had an iceberg shelled, for twelve hours. When it was all over I walked on. We didn't find one of 'em, not one stinkin' penguin body. The smell, you know that penguin shit smell, the whole iceberg. Smelled like - victory.

I'm not skinny, I'm as fat as an Antarctic bull walrus with a metabolic anomaly.

So thanks for the compliment, Mr. Complimenty!!!

Fat, skinny, whatever, you boring knob. Just go spew out some more garbage.

I love the smell of antifreeze in the morning.

One morning in Antarctica I shot a polar bear in my pajamas.

What he was doing in my pajamas I'll never know.

Oh, wait, that's right, I remember. He was sucking my balls.

PROUD LIBERAL CHOPPER JOCK hears something :

SLUBLOG
"What is it? Enemy?"

Suddenly a walrus appears from the ice cave. PLCJ
and Slublog start running back to the sled, Slublog yelling:

SLUBLOG
"It's a Walrus, a fucking walrus!

CHIEF
"Let's go !"

SLUBLOG
"Never get offa the sled..."

CHIEF
"What happened, how many is it ?"

SLUBLOG
"A fucking walrus, fucking walrus... I don't wanna take this goddamn shit man... I didn't come here for this, I don't fucking need this. All I wanted to do is fucking cook, I just wanted to learn to fucking cook. Allright, It's allright, it's gonna be all right... never get offa sled... Hi walrus, hi walrus..."

PLCJ (v.o.)
"Never get off of the sled. Absolutely goddamn right. Unless you were going all the way. Byrd got off the boat. He split from the whole fucking program. How did that happen? What did he see here that first tour? 38 fucking years old. If he joined the US Navy Flying Boats, there was no way you'd ever get above Ensign. Byrd knew what he was giving up. The more I read and began to understand, the more I admired him. His family and friends couldn't understand it, and they couldn't talk him out of it. He had to apply three times and he had to put up with a ton of shit, but when he threatened to resign, they gave it to him. The next youngest guy in his class was half his age. They must have thought he was some far-out old man humping it over that course. I did it when
I was 19 and it damn near wasted me. A tough
motherfucker. He finished. He could have gone for Admiral, but he went for himself instead."

go out on top, I always say

*takes a bow*

What do you call Michael holding a bottle of KY and wearing nothing but a white parka?

A polar bear.

Anyone know why the stupid fuck is taking a bow. I guess he is just used to bending over.

HAROLD PINTER 99,44 and 100% stupid

Was the polar bear a liberal veteran? Because they're known for that kind of stuff.

I don't know what the post count is so far but there is still no counter argument, based in fact, to counter what Pinter has said. I guess that means Bush is a war criminal, unless someone wants to try one more insult to see if that helps.

ANIMAL MOTHER shoots a heavy machinegun at a pack of polar bears.

ANIMAL MOTHER: If they run, they're polar bears. If they stand, they're well-trained polar bears.

PRIVATE JOKER: How can you shoot women and children polar bears?

ANIMAL MOTHER: Easy. You just don't lead 'em so much. Hahaahahhaa.

PRIVATE JOKER: I don't even understand how polar bears got to Antarctica.

ANIMAL MOTHER: Ho Chi Minh trail, baby. Ho Chi Minh trail.

You haven't shown what laws have been broken either. Nor have you shown any eveidence, not even a little hint of evidence, that you're really a vet instead of just aother lying sack of polar bear shit.

I watched a penguin crawl along the edge of a straight razor. That's my dream. That's my nightmare. Crawling, slithering, along the edge of a straight... razor... and surviving.

Someone claimed above that the war was justified by both US and International law. Surely, it must be easy for them to provide a link or something where those laws were enacted. What UN resolution was it which said we can attack Iraq without provocation? Why do we have to beat around the bush, if it is so obvious? Why can't they just take two minutes to point it out so all can see? I don't know why we need to listen to cocksucker Dave drone on and on because he thinks no one has ever traveled outside of whatever shithole little town he lives in.

wow, its like a car wreck. Good job PLV, you've trolled a good troll. You have contributed nothing of any value and yet good people still feel the need to mock your shit. Thats patriotism, sticking around to beat the shit out of someone who is hurtin' our military reps.

Can you imagine how fucked up PLV's parents must be to have raised such a venemous, little leftist idiot like him?

I mean, the little halfwit can't be more than about 14, and he's already regurgitating the same talking points BDS crazed elders.

I almost feel sorry for him. I bet he gets his ass beat in school just about every single day.

Hey warden you hate Liberals, why can't I hate Republicans, which I do more than anything else on the planet.

What UN resolution was it which said we can attack Iraq without provocation?

Our duty to attack Iraq is quite clearly implicated by clause 4(b)s.3 of the Vietnam/Antarctic Treaty Organization (VATO).

There has been a new development regarding your mission which we must now communicate to you. Months ago a man was ordered on a mission which was identical to yours. We have reason to believe that he is now operating with Byrd.
McMurdo was carrying him MIA for his family's sake. They assumed he was dead. Then they intercepted a letter he tried to send his wife :

SELL THE HORSE
SELL THE SLED
SELL THE KIDS
FIND SOMEONE ELSE
FORGET IT
I'M NEVER COMING BACK
FORGET IT

Captain Alton Parker - he was with Byrd

Hey, Proud Liberal Vet, when you were in Antarctica, did you fly a helicopter? Or at least ride a taun-taun?

Hoth we even had radios. We used to use them to talk to our family back home.

You can take a boat cruise down there now you know.

Oh, yes, I know it's not impossible to get there. General Westmoreland conquered large parts of it in his 1967 offensive.

My question is, you know, what the hell were you doing there? At what base, exactly?

I bet he gets his ass beat in school just about every single day.

I bet beating isn't the only thing that happens to his ass every single day.

UN Resolution 1441

The only thing that makes me mad is he won't let me suck his cock.

My question is, you know, what the hell were you doing there? At what base, exactly?

Guarding the Antarctic stargate? That's my best guess.

Hey SapLV we all remember how the terrorists are using retards to pack explosive vests into crowds. But, ya know, you're not really _here_. I mean we are not in the same physical space as you, so dont' push that button. Just put down the vest and walk away...

Ace, please ban this idiot now. His entertainment value is just about used up.

digital where exactly in that act does it say, decides or authorizes the US to unilaterally attack the nation? It appears to me that it simply demands that inspections be allowed to continue.

I hate my father.
He left my mom for another man.

Come on Ace I'm begging you here. I can't stand this guy making me look like the idiot I am. I want him stopped now.

Whaaaaaaa Whaaaaaaa

Have somebody else read it to you.

What PLV doesn't understand, or doesn't care about is that the lies he is willing to spout actually mean something to some people. To him, it would seem, a lie is nothing if used in the cause of his rightousness.

I hope he learns otherwise before it is too late for him, although I somehow doubt it.

I vacation in Key West and have lots of sex (no condoms) with hairy men who look like Tom Selleck.

I'd just like to thank this thread for providing me with not one, but TWO hits.

and I'm not even a chick, or all that gay.

but a Nam Vet? I'm like peanut butter for them!

"Have somebody else read it to you."

You were the one who posted it, which is more than any of your comrades did. However, there is nothing in the document that says what you imply it does, proof of which is your desire to evade the issue.

PROUD LIBERAL CHOPPER JOCK
"Chief, tell them to hold fire. It's just little harpoons.
They're just trying to scare us."

CHIEF
"You got us into this mess and you can't get us out 'cos you don't know where the hell you're going, do you ? Do you, you son of a bitch, you fuck !"

Chief is hit by a harpoon :

CHIEF
"A harpooooon."

Chief dies.

PROUD LIBERAL CHOPPER JOCK
"My mission is to make it up into Victoria. There's a
Naval explorer up there who's gone insane. I'm
supposed to kill him."

SLUBLOG
"That's fucking typical, shit. Fucking Antarctica mission. We got to go up there so you can kill one of our own guys. That's fucking great, that's just fucking great! That's fucking crazy. I thought you were going in there to blow up a bridge, or some fucking railroad tracks or something."

PROUD LIBERAL CHOPPER JOCK
"Sorry...there aren’t any bridges or railroad tracks up there. It’s freaking Antarctica."

SLUBLOG
"No, no wait. We go together. On the sled, we'll
go with you. On the sled. OK ?"

Again they move on, but now it's only PLCJ,
Shep and Slublog:

PLCJ (v.o.)
"Part of me was afraid of what I would find and what I would do when I got there. I knew the risks, or imagined I knew. But the thing I felt the most, much stronger than fear, was the desire to confront him."

They meet a group of Argentines in boats :

PLCJ
"Just keep moving... Shep, keep your paws
away from the gun."

SHEP
“Woof”!

Finally they arrive to Byrd compound :

PARKER
"It's all right, it's all right. You're all being approved."

SHEP
"Arf. Woof. Whine."

PARKER
"Sound the siren...There's mines over there, there's mines over there, and watch out those goddam penguins bite, I'll tell ya. Eh, that's a pretty one. Move in right in towards me... I´m an American ! Yeah, American civilian. Hi yanks... American, american civilian. It's all right. And you got the cigarettes, that's what I've been dreaming of."

PLCJ
"Who are you ?"

PARKER
"Who are you ... ? I'm an explorer. I've covered the ice since 94. I've been in McMurdo, Prudhoe, Rejkavik, 'Tica... I´ll tell you one thing, this sled is a mess, man."

PLCJ
"Who are all these people?"

PARKER
"Yeah, well... They think you have come to take him
away. I hope that isn't true."

PLCJ
"Take who away ?"

PARKER
"Him. Admiral Byrd. These are all his children, as far
as you can see."

PLCJ
"Could we, uh, talk to Admiral Byrd?"

PARKER
"Hey, man, you don't talk to the Admiral. You listen to him. The an's enlarged my mind. He's a poet-warrior in the classic snse. I mean sometimes he'll, uh, well, you'll say hello to hm, right? And he'll just walk right by you, and he won't even notice you. And suddenly he'll grab you, and he'll throw you on the ice floe, and he'll say do you know that if is the middle word in life? If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you, if you can trust yourself when all men doubt you -- I mean I'm no, I can't -- I'm a little man, I'm a little man, he's, he's a great man. I should have been a pair of ragged claws scuttling across floors of silent icebergs -- I mean --"

PLCJ
"Stay with the sled."

PARKER
"Hey, uh, don't go -- don't go without me, OK? I want to get a picture."

He can be terrible, he can be mean, he can be right. He's fighting the war. He's a great man. I mean... I wish I had words. I can tell you the other day he wanted to hump me."

PLCJ
"Why did he want to hump you ?"

PARKER
"Because I took his picture. He said if I take his picture again - I'm gonna hump you. And he meant it! So you just lay it cool, lay back, dig it... He gets friendly again, really does. But you don't judge him like an ordinary man.

OK, now watch it. They are americans... americans.
Can you feel the vibe of this place ? Let me take a picture. Hey, hello... hello. Would you hold it for a minute."

PARKER
"The penguin heads. You're looking at the penguin heads. I, uh -- sometimes he goes too far, you know -- he's the first one to admit it!"

SHEP
"Woof woof. Woof!"

PARKER
"Wrong! Wrong! If you could have heard the man, just two days ago, if you could have heard the man! You going to call him crazy?"

SHEP
"Woofing A!"

PLCJ
"I just want to talk to him."

PARKER
"Well man, he's gone away. He's gone away. He disappeared into the jungle with his penguins..."

PLCJ
"I'll wait for him."

PARKER
"... he feels comfortable with his penguins. He forgets him with his penguins. He forgets himself..."

SHEP
"Woof woof! Arf."

PLCJ
"Ok Shep. We'll go back to the sled for a while."

SHEP
"Arf!"

PLCJ and Shep return to the sled :

Ace can you come and slap me on the back again. I'm dying here and I need your support. I’ll spew out ever more dribble if you will just pretend it’s funny.

disappeared into the jungle.

shit.

It's good stuff, Dave. Compelling and rich.

I'll go first. I served with the 2146th Comm Group in Korea and the 62nd APS in Washington. Real veterans serve with real units. I've met liberals while in the service, but they still acted like men, not 14 year old boys playing on the internet.

I got tear-gassed when the hippies were "liberating" South University Street in Ann Arbor during anti-war riots while I was safely protectect from the war in Viet Nam by a student deferment.

Does that count?

I mean, that tear gas can really make your eyes burn.

Dave in Texas, didn't you see this?

Oops. Wrong link. I meant this. Sorry 'bout that.

Dave, I'm having a blast just lurking on this. Awesome effort, dude.

Oh, I give up. (Next time, Sandy, wait 'til the acid wears off...)

Hey Liberal Vet,

I recall you saying you would love someone to come threaten you.

Heck, I'll do it.

Last time I checked, I could take a 12 year old without much trouble.

disappeared into the jungle

The jungle is just a metaphor for the blizzard that he actually disappeared in... (loose shit)

Just to throw in my bit: 20th TFW (USAFE), RAF Upper Heyford. The closest PLV came to the military was a khaki sale at the Gap.

Thanks for the vote of confidence guys. We really need to find a way to stop people like this, vet or not, from having a voice here, where we all think the same way.

"I've seen horrors...horrors that you've seen. But you have no right to call me a murderer. You have a right to kill me. You have a right to do that...But you have no right to judge me. It's impossible for words to describe what is necessary to those who do not know what horror means. Horror. Horror has a face. And a chest. And a left elbow...And you must make a bestest friend of horror. Horror and moral terror are your bestest friends. If they are not then they are enemies to be feared. They are truly enemies. I remember when I was with US Navy Flying Boats...Seems a thousand centuries ago...We went into a hangar to change the oil.

We left the hangar after we had changed the oil, and this old
man came running after us and he was crying. He couldn't see. We went
back there and they had come and unscrewed every drain plug. There
they were in a pile...A pile of little drain plugs. And I remember...I...I...I cried...I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out. I didn't know what I wanted to do. And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it. I never want to forget. And then I realized...like I was shot...Like I was shot with a diamond...a diamond bullet right through my forehead...And I thought: My God...the genius of that. The genius. The will to do that. Perfect, genuine, complete, crystalline, pure. And then I realized they were stronger than we. Because they could stand that these were not monsters...These were penguins...trained cadres...these penguins who fought with
their hearts, who had families, who had little penguin children, who were filled with love...but they had the strength...the strength...to do that. If I had ten divisions of those penguins our troubles here would be over very quickly. You have to have penguins who are moral...and at the same time who are able to utilize their primordal instincts to kill without feeling...without passion... without judgement...without judgement. Because it's judgement that
defeats us. "

Russell if you could fulfill my dream that would be wonderful. Should I send you direstions?

Remember to barge into the house without warning and start threatening me. That is the way I've always pictured it.

I'm just wondering how the dumbshit Veteran of the Mountains of Madness Expedition managed to serve so proudly without knowint the definition of the word "ceasefire".

I bet he'd jump a mile if you snuck up behind himand whispered "tekeli-li".

vet or not

No "or" about it, "Dave." Just a dishonest cretinous punk who mocks our servicemen in a time of war to see if he can insult some grownups. But, you already knew that.

That was me up there.

Loose shit.

But not as loose as the bindings on Johanssen's skis. Poor guy got drug a mile before the sled dogs turned on him and ate everything but his asshole, who, as it turned out ended up being a Proud Veteran and everything.

Liberal vet,

Nah, I wouldn't barge in. I wouldn't want to interupt your D&D game or wake your parents.

They were going to make me a grownup for this and I wasn't even in their fucking thread any more. Everybody wanted me to do it, him most of all. I felt like he was up there, waiting for me to take the pain away. He just wanted to go out like an explorer, or a viking, standing up, not like some poor, wasted, rag-assed liar about having served in the military. Even the ice floe wanted him dead, and that's who
he really took his orders from anyway. That and momma.

Aww, now I know who this knucklehead is.

It's either Chris or Tubino.

PROUDLY DAMAGED VET
Nothing is over! Nothing! You just don't turn the computer off! It wasn't my post! You asked me I didn't ask you! And I did what I had to do to bullshit, for somebody who wouldn't let me bullshit convincingly! Then I come back to the comment thread, and I see all those maggots in the comments, askin' me questions like "What's your MOS?", callin' me a fake and all kinds of true crap! Who are they to question me?! Huh?! Who are they?! Unless they been 14 and a pimply nobody like me and been here in my basement and know what the hell they yellin' about!

Even the ice floe wanted him dead, and that's who he really took his orders from anyway. That and momma.

LMAO!

Now let me suck your dick maggot.

Dave from Texas,
Stunning work.

That's funny, I don't feel Druish.

Faggy fag Republifag Refaglican fags!

Thanks harrison, I've always considered myself a genius, but I wasn't sure.

By the way Liberal Vet,

Thanks for using the email tag to make it clear what this is all really about.

(BTW, I'm Catholic, moron. You really make this too easy)

What's a dick maggot? Is that some kind of weird STD that PLV picked up during his *chuckle* service?

Dave is in the ZONE.

Apocalypse NOW!

Hey, you miserable goddamned stupid piece of bitchfuck, how much Agent Orange did you have to guzzle over in Nam to get your brain so fried?

Oh, wait, I forgot...you're just full of shit. Y'know, the Boy Scouts don't count as military service, you silly little ass crumb.

Hey, you know the Klintoons killed Vince Foster and were involved with drug running (remember?). They also lied about global weather manipulation as warfare and aliens.
Disprove it, bitch.

Nobody has disproven it; therefore, it is TRUE.

Moron.

Proud Liberal Vet (or as the anagram would have it - A Lube Drivel Port) - you wanted legislation cited - well here it is:

Joint Resolution on Iraq 10/11/02 (Link)

Excerpts:

SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) AUTHORIZATION- The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to--

(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and

(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq.

it was the several hundred-year-old principle of not attacking those states that have not attacked you first.

Whats-his-face turns out to be referring to the Treaty of Westphalia, which was signed in 1648. Given that this was more than a hundred years before the American Revolutionary War, it should be obvious that the United States is not a signatory of that treaty.

In fact, I'm pretty sure that none of the nations which signed that treaty still exist. Hard to see how it could be considered binding on us.

I'd like to take this opportunity to apologize for my previous call for bannage. A Lube Drivel Port (which is going to be bitch boy's name from now on) still has plenty of entertainment left in him. So, never mind.

not that I'm throwing my CAC card around, but you know WHY we had the joint resolution dealie?

Gulf War I ring any bells?

cause, you know, Saddam was just taking back what the Brits took from him...

As an aside, isn't it funny how the trolls seem to have broken out of the asylum ever since the weblog awards started?

Mac, that douchebag can't read. He's even been given the links but doesn't understand it.

Mac-S

I'm not going to dig up the stuff right now, but as far as the historical antecedent of Kuwait existing seperately, both were under the Ottoman Empire, but the history of the country as a free-standing state goes back to something like 1640 or something like that. At any rate, there is no substantive historical basis to the old "19th Province Claim" - or at least no more claim than the US could make to putting all of Japan under American Military Governorship.

BRD - I was just recounting the justification that Saddam gave for re-uniting Iraq and Kuwait to the Baathist Party in 1989.

not that it was historically accurate, as Saddam also wanted to re-unite Iran and Iraq, too. just seemed darn convenient to have a deep water port to do it with.

Yeah, I kinda figured - I was trying to see if I could use the opportunity to prempt.

But honestly, I think A Lube Drivel Port has probably retreated in this thread, as he has two answers to which he has no ready response. This means he'll have to go read if he wants to challenge the statement, and it's probably too late for him to bother.

Which is kind of a shame, since he boxed himself in real nice-like a couple different ways.

BRD has cited the correct legal authorization for the war, which Congress passed under the War Powers Act.

The United States does not require permission from the UN to go to war. Never has and never will. The only authorization the President requires comes from Congress, and he got that.

we should start some kind of tribute site, or maybe just go around the room and tell one story about how A Lube Drivel Port touched each, and everyone of our lives.

and light some candles.

Heck... I don't even exist -- !

BRD,

But honestly, I think A Lube Drivel Port has probably retreated in this thread, as he has two answers to which he has no ready response.

Obviously, you have yet to be stung by his all-purpose "You're a fag" argument. It rivals the Chewbacca defense.

RW -

I found that the chick half of the duo mentioned in your post about the Ultra-Hippy WifeSwap folk has gone and posted about how evil it was. You have to scroll down to the bottom for her post

To verify, I looked up the Kestrelishisms LLC mentioned in the post. Don't you love how goofs add LLC to the end of things to mimic gravitas - like A Lube Drivel Port LLC? At any rate, googling it links to this picture of the young man in the original video clip.

Just in case you're pining for fools while ALDP returns.

Why, when I read Proud Liberal Vet, do I get the mental image of Mr Garrison in fatigues with a riding crop?

Why, when I read Proud Liberal Vet, do I get the mental image of Mr Garrison in fatigues with a riding crop?

'cuz you're an optimist.

"The only authorization the President requires comes from Congress"

John Yoo seems to think he doesn't even need that.

John Yoo's methods have become ... extreme.

dammit

I meant

... unsound.

Well, the thread's dead anyway.

"This is my snowball! There are many like it but this one is mine!"

I don't know but I've been told
Eskimo pussy is mighty cold

PLV I know there was no legal justification for the war. However, don't you think the Iraqi people are better off now that we have taken over their country?

The PLV awoke before dawn,
he put his boots on.

He took a face from the ancient gallery
AND HE WALKED ON DOWN THE HALL

He came to the room where his sister lived,
and he....WALKED ON DOWN THE HALL.

He came to the room where his brother lived,
and he....WALKED ON DOWN THE HALL.

"FATHER?"
"Yes son."
"I sleep with other men because I want to make you ashamed of me."

"MOTHER?"
"Yes son."
"Can I borrow your light green sun dress?"

(long musical interlude)

LOST IN A FROZEN
WILDERNESS OF PAIN

AND ALL THE PENGUINS
ARE INSANE.

The "Liberqueerian" thing got me. Damn.

And Dave, absolute brilliance. Muy excellente.

Remember to barge into the house without warning and start threatening me. That is the way I've always pictured it.

Just make sure it's between 11:30p-12a; that's when PLV's wearing his ball gag and cuffed himself to the radiator, praying for a big strong Republifag to break down his door and "threaten" him.

Brrr.

Spurwing Plover and PLV. On one thread. *shudder*

The horror.

the horror

"proof of which is your desire to evade the issue."

English can't be his native language, he's got to be German or something.

"Somebody let the troll know that we had an authorized, legal, principled, declaration of war from the UN going back to the 1st Gulf War. Guess what? There was no peace treaty signed with Iraq after GW1. ... We were at war with Iraq all the way up until the 'second' Gulf War.
>>

I regret showing up only after this party's over. I'd like to have mixed things up by declaring my disdain for legal, declared, limited, conventional wars. If I were to conduct a war, I'd start it off with a treaty of perpetual peace, then run a nuclear sneak attack that would turn the entire enemy country into a glassy monument to the importance of not having me as an enemy.

I might add I would then suck every dead cock I could get my mouth around.

A-heh-hem.

Yeah, I drop the gay allusions a lot, but you guys have really picked up the ball and run with it, baby.

Hey guys, I brought the Anal Lube and ... and...

crap. late to the party as usual. I'll never get laid.