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December 06, 2005
Bush 40% Or Over In Last Four PollsFitzmas presents being returned? H/t to some dickhead at Slate who never links me. No link for you. Also Approaching 40... As we had a dust-up over whether Jenifer Anniston's 36 year old* breasts were attractive, I guess the best evidence rule compels me to link the photographs. (NOT SAFE IF YOUR GIRLFRIEND'S LOOKING OVER YOUR SHOULDER.)
posted by Ace at 11:03 PM
Comments"I guess the best evidence rule compels me to link the photographs." Perky, puffy. slightly off center and definitely 36 yrs. old. The bottom line: BFD. Posted by: Redhand on December 6, 2005 11:14 PM
Of course, it should be remembered that she was not born with those, but grew them at about age 12 or so, making them only 24 year old breasts. Posted by: salomeh on December 6, 2005 11:14 PM
We'll have to wait for awfulplasticsurgery.com's expert opinion, of course ... Posted by: Knemon on December 6, 2005 11:16 PM
There's a debate over whether they're attractive? They're BREASTS! Posted by: Tony B on December 6, 2005 11:18 PM
Only Brad Pitt could trade up from Jennifer Aniston. Posted by: Moonbat_One on December 6, 2005 11:19 PM
I'm with you. I always sorta wonder about the guys who are that critical about a woman's looks. Any way you slice it, there's T&A&Pooter. Posted by: ace on December 6, 2005 11:22 PM
there's T&A&Pooter pure poetry Ace Posted by: yls on December 6, 2005 11:40 PM
Stand 'em on their heads and they all look the same. Posted by: harrison on December 6, 2005 11:51 PM
Funny thing. I flashed back to my ex-wife's voice indignantly announcing for the thousandth time, "Those can't be real. LOOK at them." Heh. Looks like Derbyshire's dour pessimism has cheated him again. She's definitely exceptional. Posted by: VRWC Agent on December 6, 2005 11:54 PM
I usually like what John Derbyshire has to say, but he is, in this instance, dead wrong (and that 15-20 year old comment was just creepy). Older women are almost invariable better - case in point: Susan Sarandon. Yeah, I don't like her politics, but she can act, and more importantly - she's gorgeous, and has been for 35 years (not obviously plasticed either). And while we're on the subject, why does anyone want to look at Terri Hatcher? She's getting freaky looking - I mean she's getting seriously Melanie-Griffith-like grotesque. Posted by: withheld on December 7, 2005 12:16 AM
Sarandon is a bug-eyed weirdo with overly sharp features, and plays the same damn character in every film. She has zero redeeming qualities. Her loser politics are her LEAST annoying feature. Posted by: holdfast on December 7, 2005 12:22 AM
Gotta go with Holdfast there. Sarandon looks like one of the nazis who opened the arc of the covenant, half way through the face melting. Posted by: Sortelli on December 7, 2005 01:18 AM
I dunno. I've always been partial to Diana Rigg. Posted by: Iblis on December 7, 2005 01:23 AM
Sure, Sarandon's a little rough now. But rent 'Atlantic City.' Good movie and a fine looking woman. You'll also see why the go-to answer for 'best breasts in Hollywood' was, without a pause, Sarandon for about 15-20 years there. Posted by: Dr. Reo Symes on December 7, 2005 01:34 AM
Gentlemen, I readily acknowledge Ms. Anniston's physical attractiveness (in a strictly objective sense). But don't you really want to be with someone who laughs at your jokes--not because she's being polite, but because she really gets them (along with all the pop culture references of your youth)? Wouldn't you rather be with someone who's looking in your eyes and not a mirror? Isn't it nicer to continue the night before throughout the morning after without your lady worrying about getting to the gym? I don't expect any of you to agree with me here, but I will content myself with believing that you really do, anyway. Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom on December 7, 2005 05:57 AM
"Fitzmas presents being returned?" LOL Posted by: Don Surber on December 7, 2005 06:16 AM
Derb's right - women are past their prime sooner than men. Could you imagine an actress who's Sean Connery's age being regarded as sexy? The only one I can think of who tried was Mae West, and she was just creepy. The 15-20 age range is also a little gross - does Derb go for jail bait? - but one must make allowance for the fact that he's a Brit; in England, everybody looks over the hill by their 20s. On the other hand, I was just looking at an old Marx Bros. comedy the other day, Room Service, which featured a 15-year-old Anne Miller. My goodness! I can imagine Allah and Ace giving her two thumbs (or other appendages) way, way up, despite her age. Posted by: Brown Line on December 7, 2005 07:08 AM
I stayed out of this yesterday but that Derb fellow is fucking wrong, and so are all who claim the prime for a woman is 15. You people are nuts. Leave out the jailbait issues, these girls are not yet filled out. If you like that, perhaps a little boy might be what you crave, eh? JA is spectacular. Her boobs are spectacular. And I see no reason a woman who looks like that wouldn't get my dumbass jokes and look at me instead of a mirror. Except for my goiter, of course. Posted by: spongeworthy on December 7, 2005 08:54 AM
Aniston does look great now, no doubt. Catherine Zeta Jones may be the best looking woman breathing, and I think she's in her mid-thirties, too. Having said that, I don't think either look better than they did 8-10 years ago. Look at Aniston in the 1st season of Friends, how fresh faced and cute she was. Posted by: UGAdawg on December 7, 2005 09:09 AM
whatever happened to Fay Wray? Posted by: Dave in Texas on December 7, 2005 09:15 AM
They're fantastic bewbs. She gets a very slight deduction from a Perfection rating for a little nippular puffiness, but all in all, she's in the 98th+ percentile, clearly. In the 4th standard deviation for superior boobies, making her, literally, one in a million. As a mathematician, Derb should appreciate the exceptional rarity of such an occurence. I'm not sure that statistical analysis was invented to rate womens' breasts, but then again, men are pigs, so, yeah, it probably was. Posted by: So Completely Fucking Anonymous on December 7, 2005 09:18 AM
Catherine Zeta Jones may be the best looking woman breathing, and I think she's in her mid-thirties, too. Ten years ago maybe. Posted by: Phinn on December 7, 2005 09:20 AM
Yes, every movie has a gratuitous nude scene so you fat, balding, rapidly approaching middle age men, still making 19.5, with “standards” can pretend she or any woman at all really really wants you. Good luck with that. Posted by: on December 7, 2005 09:30 AM
I agree with UGAdawg on Julia Roberts - of course, I never found her all that attractive to begin with. Derbyshire is one of those guys who says really stupid things and then claims he's 'speaking truth to power' or some such nonsense. I think there are women who keep their looks into middle age - Annette O'Toole is one example, Shania Twain another. Posted by: Slublog on December 7, 2005 09:36 AM
"I usually like what John Derbyshire has to say, but he is, in this instance, dead wrong (and that 15-20 year old comment was just creepy). Older women are almost invariable better - case in point: Susan Sarandon. Yeah, I don't like her politics, but she can act, and more importantly - she's gorgeous, and has been for 35 years (not obviously plasticed either)." Gorgeous? You need glasses, sir. There's no getting away from the fact that everyone, male and female, suffers from a progressive, degenerative, disfiguring terminal disease known as the aging process, for which medical science has no effective treatment. (They might in time to save us, if our friends at the FDA don't slow them down too much..) Due to this disease, people turn ugly as they get older; they also get weaker until their condition finally kills them. No one looks better at 40 than she did at 20. One 40 year old might look better than another 20 year old, but that 40 year old herself was much hotter at 20 than she is now. Anyone who tells a 40 year old woman "you're even more beautiful than the day we met" is lying to her, because he wants to keep her for reasons other than her (declining) beauty. Usually good reasons, too, but that doesn't change the fact that she's deteriorating. (He is too, of course...) Posted by: Ken on December 7, 2005 10:59 AM
And guys who can do nothing more than slag on women's looks ad nauseum under some bullshit meme that it is some higher "truth" have teenie weenie dicks at age 20 and even teenier weenier dicks at age 40. Posted by: on December 7, 2005 11:14 AM
And guys who can do nothing more than slag on women's looks ad nauseum under some bull-shit meme that it is some higher "truth" have teenie weenie d - icks at age 20 and even teenier weenier d - icks at age 40. Posted by: on December 7, 2005 11:16 AM
See, that's just the shit I'm talking about. No one looks better at 40 than she did at 20. No one? I know a woman who had her first period at 17--at twenty she was still a gawky mess. I dated an actress who told me she was 33--she was flawless. I found out later she was 39! These generalities are only one problem I have with this assumption, the other being that beauty is so subjective that nubility to one man is creepy adolescence to another. And let's not even get into what "fat" means to each of us. Posted by: spongeworthy on December 7, 2005 11:29 AM
Amen, spongeworthy. One reason I tend to avoid these discussions is that anything that’s said about what one guy finds attractive sounds like he’s saying that’s what women *should* look like; any woman who doesn’t fit those standards is somehow deficient, and any guy with different standards is probably, you know, gay. Derb’s comment was dumb in several ways, but not the least was the assumption that there’s a single, objective standard of attractiveness—which just happens to be Derb’s standard. “I’m sorry, but you’re just not attractive. It’s a fact, deal with it.” Chris Klein-level stupidity. Posted by: utron on December 7, 2005 11:45 AM
For those who think Ms. Aniston attractive, you have to factor in that she said she didn't want to have children but wanted to continue with her career and be like Robin Williams. Picture her with hair on her back. Posted by: Speller on December 7, 2005 11:46 AM
And might I just add that Ms. Aniston has a couple of superb gazongas. Anyone who doesn't think so is a homo. With tiny, tiny genitals. Posted by: utron on December 7, 2005 11:47 AM
I am reminded of the King of the Hill episode where Dale is representing himself in a suit he filed against the tobacco company and is questioning himself about People's most beautiful list and has asked for a comment on the nominees. Dale the Attorney: And Jennifer Aniston? Dale the Witness: Girl Next Door Pretty? Yes. Beautiful? No. Dale the Attorney: Julia Roberts? Dale the witness: A horse is a horse is a horse Classic. Posted by: polynikes on December 7, 2005 12:23 PM
Dave from Texas: Dammit, Janet! Posted by: Jack M. on December 7, 2005 02:06 PM
as ace noted a few days ago Jack M., nothing gets by you guys Posted by: Dave in Texas on December 7, 2005 02:28 PM
I like Derb but this jailbait stance of his has me puzzled. For every stunning teenage girl I've ever seen there was another the same age who appeared unfinished and many years from the stage where she'd most like to freeze her appearance. And yes, I've seen people who look far better as forty year olds than they did at 20. Maturity suits some people better than others. I think some people get confused by TV and movies where we've become accustomed to seeing people in their late 20's protraying high school students. My first brush with feeling old was when I drove past a high school when it was letting out for the day and realized that these were CHILDREN. Some of the girls were quite sexy but I couldn't help realizing the gulf of years that now stood between me and them. Posted by: epobirs on December 7, 2005 02:47 PM
Yep, on television you have actors in their 20s pretending to be kids, and in fashion, kids with a ton of makeup pretending to be adults. It's not real life. Posted by: on December 7, 2005 02:57 PM
I don't think those pictures are Jennifer Aniston. But you seriously can't look at a picture from a magazine and make a judgement. The hours of makeup and hair and lighting (especially lighting!) can make just aboout anyone look great. Posted by: Rightwingsparkle on December 7, 2005 03:03 PM
I have a 20 yr-old Brazilian au pair with tons of au pair friends her age and a little older. Some are easy on the eye, some not so much. They don't do a thing for me, even with all the squealing, pillowfighting and casual nudity around my house. Posted by: spongeworthy on December 7, 2005 03:06 PM
I'm not quite sure what the question is, but my answer is a drooled 'yes'. Posted by: Nickie Goomba on December 7, 2005 03:34 PM
UGAdawg-catherine zeta jones is the mexican version of white trash, I guess latino diva trash, did you see the photos of her saggy topless tits, eight months pregnant, puffin a winston and drinking a martini while laying out in the sun? come to think of it, fuck that, i love her Posted by: Johnnywaka on December 7, 2005 08:34 PM
CZJones is Welsh. Posted by: See-Dubya on December 7, 2005 08:36 PM
welsh, mexican who gives a shit? Posted by: on December 7, 2005 08:44 PM
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Annunziata Rees-Mogg Update: They've now lost 88% of the seats they're defending. As I mentioned earlier, I think I heard that London will not bail them out, as many of those Labour seats will probably flip to "Muslim Independent" or Green. Detroit's 5am vote will not save them.
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