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Dave From Garfield Ridge ♥ Brokeback MountainA glowing, almost giddy review... what a shock. Related: "Brokeback Mountain" Syndrome: Sure, they're just seizing on a pop culture moment to publicize themselves, but obviously they're right about many gays still trying to "pass" as straights, dating and marrying people of the opposite sex. Howard Stern is no great political philosopher, but he always hits a good point about this. Put aside the more objectionable parts of the radical gay agenda. Let's just talk about simple acceptance of gays. If gays aren't comfortable being gays, some will try to lead lives as straights. Does any father want his daughter marrying a gay man? It's hell on the gay husband, but it's a loveless, empty relationship for the woman as well. And there will almost certainly be possibly-unsafe gay sex in the future, putting the wife at risk. Thanks to Allah. posted by Ace at 12:06 PM
CommentsNot there's anything wrong with that... Posted by: harrison on December 21, 2005 12:15 PM
Always knew he was a secret homo. Posted by: on December 21, 2005 12:18 PM
AP headline: "Saddam Says He's Been Beaten in Detention" Oh, shit -- I bet Excitable Andy is beside himself with this one. Cancel the P Town week end with the boyfriend and the beagle. Posted by: Ralphie on December 21, 2005 12:19 PM
And he is the founding (and to date only known) member of the Powers Boothe barebacking fan club. Posted by: Iblis on December 21, 2005 12:29 PM
If you are going to have Secret Santas, might as well have Secret Homos. I want Ace to be my secret homo. :) Posted by: on December 21, 2005 12:40 PM
Geez, Dave, why don't you change your name to 'Dave from Brokeback Ridge'? Posted by: Uncle Jefe on December 21, 2005 12:43 PM
Dave is stuck on stupid with gay propaganda films and Ace voted for Clinton. One wonders what the difference is between Ace and Dave and Andrew Sullivan. Posted by: Bart in "disgust" mode on December 21, 2005 12:51 PM
Shit Ace, I'd hardly call me review "glowing." It's pretty fucking far from glowing. If I was using stars, I'd say it's *barely* 3 out of 4. That's a good movie, not a great one. Sheesh. As long as you put words in my mouth, is there anything else you want to put in there?? Cheers, P.S. Thanks for the link, pal ;-) Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge on December 21, 2005 12:52 PM
One wonders what the difference is between Ace and Dave and Andrew Sullivan. Duh. Two are gay and one is straight. I'll leave it up to you to figure out who's who. Posted by: Slublog on December 21, 2005 12:57 PM
Ace of Spades: More "Brokeback Mountain" Posts than Andrew Sullivan! Posted by: someone on December 21, 2005 01:00 PM
Dude, I've held off. You know how many links I've been sent? Posted by: ace on December 21, 2005 01:04 PM
If I was using stars, I'd say it's *barely* 3 out of 4. By "stars," do you mean "spontaneous erections?" Posted by: Bart on December 21, 2005 01:06 PM
"You know how many links I've been sent?" And that's just from Allah... Posted by: harrison on December 21, 2005 01:06 PM
And there will almost certainly be possibly-unsafe gay sex in the future, putting the wife at risk. Thanks to Allah. Posted by: on December 21, 2005 01:08 PM
You know, it's pretty damned annoying to read comment after comment complaining about what a guy chooses to put on his own frickin' blog. Posted by: Slublog on December 21, 2005 01:09 PM
Yeah Bart, I typically like to rate mainstream movies like Hustler Magazine porno reviews, but I figured that giving Brokeback Mountain a "three-quarters erect" rating would really confuse my readership. Cheers, Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge on December 21, 2005 01:13 PM
"You know how many links I've been sent?" I just sent him the link to Sullivan's BM review. How much will you pay me to go see the movie and show up at the theater wearing a cowboy hat? Posted by: Allah on December 21, 2005 01:15 PM
Complaining? I was thinking of new slogans so Ace could sell The Gay to advertisers... Posted by: someone on December 21, 2005 01:15 PM
How much will you pay me to go see the movie and show up at the theater wearing a cowboy hat? No cash unless there are chaps involved. Posted by: Slublog on December 21, 2005 01:17 PM
So, is the opposite true? Are there "straights" out there passing as gays? Posted by: Bart on December 21, 2005 01:20 PM
"How much will you pay me to go see the movie and show up at the theater wearing a cowboy hat?" Got chaps? Posted by: harrison on December 21, 2005 01:21 PM
So, is the opposite true? Are there "straights" out there passing as gays? Yes. Hey, it sure would explain how my high school ex-girlfriend conveniently went "gay" on me. . . Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge on December 21, 2005 01:22 PM
Posted by: on December 21, 2005 01:22 PM
Hey, it sure would explain how my high school ex-girlfriend conveniently went "gay" on me. . . Got to hate it when that happens. What's worse is when they start telling friends, "I'm just his beard." Posted by: Slublog on December 21, 2005 01:24 PM
Slublog, are you at work today? Posted by: Dave in Texas on December 21, 2005 01:26 PM
Slublog, let's be serious: I'm not gay. But I would be willing to learn, if, you know, they'd post me someplace special. Cheers, Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge on December 21, 2005 01:28 PM
Allah waits for the cash to roll in The thing about Gyllenhaal? He really looks the part. I wonder if chicks look at him differently now. An alpha heterosexual like Chris Klein never would have taken that role. He would have been like, "Thanks, Ang Lee. Thanks for the attention. But get out of my face." Here's another fun review of BM from nihilistic queen Gary Indiana. Best line: "The more pointlessly fecund our species, the more shits we are likely to have." Link via ... NRO(?). Posted by: Allah on December 21, 2005 01:29 PM
I am at work today. It's actually a pretty stressful-ish day, so I'm blowing off steam now and again on this site while writing various and sundry stuff for work. Um...you're not my boss pretending to be Dave, are you? Posted by: Slublog on December 21, 2005 01:30 PM
SLUBLOG!! Get back to work!! Posted by: Your Boss on December 21, 2005 01:32 PM
" 'It's the most stupid move he could make,' a supposed 'top producer' told Newsweek magazine of Gyllenhaal's choice to do Brokeback Mountain. 'It'll alienate his teen girl fan base and could kill his career. What a waste.' " I need to start a linkblog. Posted by: Allah on December 21, 2005 01:38 PM
Nah, I'm just giving you some shit Slub. I took a few days off, so I'm not goofing around on the company dime. Hope that helps with the stress stuff! Posted by: Dave in Texas on December 21, 2005 01:46 PM
Heh. That's what I figured. I just had to give someone an impromptu tour of the new office. I actually have one of those posters - the one on Ambition. I need to hang it in my cube soon. Posted by: Slublog on December 21, 2005 01:53 PM
Whoops - thought I'd put a link to the poster in that comment. Posted by: Slublog on December 21, 2005 01:55 PM
Criminy, Andrew Sullivan's review of this movie is really overwrought, isn't it? Not that I'm surprised by that... Posted by: Slublog on December 21, 2005 01:56 PM
" 'It's the most stupid move he could make,' a supposed 'top producer' told Newsweek magazine of Gyllenhaal's choice to do Brokeback Mountain. 'It'll alienate his teen girl fan base and could kill his career. What a waste.' "While I've heard some young women making similar remarks, they tend to have the memory spans of gnats. Anyway, did doing gay hurt Jon Voight's career? Dustin Hoffman's? Posted by: on December 21, 2005 01:57 PM
Kevin Kline? Tom Selleck? Posted by: on December 21, 2005 02:01 PM
That's funny, I've had Ambition as my wallpaper for about 6 months Posted by: Dave in Texas on December 21, 2005 02:01 PM
Again, I would really like Ace and Allah to review the film. Of course, that wd require the boys to go see it. Unfortunately, they are so insecure in their "manhood" they are afraid to see the film. Posted by: on December 21, 2005 02:03 PM
Shit, Allah-- that Village Voice review you linked is full of *priceless* quotes. I haven't read bullshit that pretentious in a long, long time. If only I could understand whether Indiana, you know, liked the movie. . . Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge on December 21, 2005 02:04 PM
My favorite pseudo-intellectual quote: Consider Brokeback Mountain's overt pandering to Rousseauian notions of the American West and its insularity, the toughness and self-sufficiency of its tight-lipped, xenophobic denizens, its rituals of faith and patriotism. You could say that simply depicting this hillbilly heaven accurately is itself an unsettling criticism, yet the effect, again, is to make it seem, in many ways, admirable—its unflagging work ethic, its quasi-mystical connection to harvest, soil, livestock, and weather.What. The. Hell. Posted by: Slublog on December 21, 2005 02:08 PM
Yeah, I'm pretty much trying to procrastinate from work now. Then there's the scene when Ennis' wife finally confronts him - and you can see the damage done to so many lives by the powerful, suffocating evil of homophobia. So many lives. Sometimes I start to imagine how much accumulated human pain has been inflicted for so many centuries on so many gay hearts and souls, and then I stop. It's too much. We are slowly healing; but some wounds will never heal; and they are inscribed on the souls of millions in the past - the ones who persecuted, the ones who suffered, the ones who never let themselves be loved - or saw it briefly once, feared it and lived their lives in the lengthening shadow of their regrets. Yes, these were souls whose backs were broken. And now a new generation stands up.Oh, my. Posted by: Slublog on December 21, 2005 02:11 PM
Slublog, I dug this one: The insular quality of American life reinforces a stubborn naïveté about sexual matters that's been part of our national character from the outset. The hermetic communities pictured in Brokeback Mountain illustrate sociologist Kai T. Erikson's findings in Wayward Puritans (1966)—that American communities have always defined themselves in terms of who doesn't belong in them. The deviant, whether religious, political, or sexual, has always needed to be identified from among the existing population, then exterminated or expelled. The expunged have tended to found their own little territories, which in turn establish their identities by driving out the unorthodox—who have to be invented if they don't already exist. (Slaves, of course, were imported, and assigned a negative status as legitimate inhabitants.) From the days of the Massachusetts Bay Colony to the present, American exceptionalism begins on the microcosmic level. In this respect, Brokeback Mountain is a pungent slice of an essentially unchanging reality. That's not the *only* pungent slice in that review. BTW, for a refreshing rejoinder to Gary Indiana's piece, read this review on National Review Online (i.e., that's where Allah seems to have found the Village Voice review). Cheers, Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge on December 21, 2005 02:12 PM
Slublog-- Excitable Andy is blocked here at work (smartest thing the Pentagon's ever done). Care to cut and paste that whole review into a comment, eff with Ace's server? Thanks, Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge on December 21, 2005 02:14 PM
It's not that long, to be honest... BROKEBACK: I saw it last night. Maybe my hopes were too high, but the movie didn't quite sustain itself for the time it took, I felt. The short story accomplished it all with more concision and thereby with more punch. But the movie, as you'd expect with Ang Lee, had enormous integrity. Heath Ledger was magnificent in his indirection - this was a rare movie in which the anguish of the outwardly conforming, "straight-acting" gay man was exposed in all its raw pain. Three scenes remain in my mind. There's a shot after the two men leave each other for the first time when Ennis [Ledger] stays upright and walks nonchalantly as his lover drives away. But then, as soon as his beloved is out of sight, he collapses in emotional pain, punching a wall in agony, even then having to deflect the suspicion of a stranger. The moment when they reunite - its passion, its need, its depth - ravishes with insight into what love truly is. Then there's the scene when Ennis' wife finally confronts him - and you can see the damage done to so many lives by the powerful, suffocating evil of homophobia. So many lives. Sometimes I start to imagine how much accumulated human pain has been inflicted for so many centuries on so many gay hearts and souls, and then I stop. It's too much. We are slowly healing; but some wounds will never heal; and they are inscribed on the souls of millions in the past - the ones who persecuted, the ones who suffered, the ones who never let themselves be loved - or saw it briefly once, feared it and lived their lives in the lengthening shadow of their regrets. Yes, these were souls whose backs were broken. And now a new generation stands up. Posted by: Slublog on December 21, 2005 02:20 PM
Shit, Allah-- that Village Voice review you linked is full of *priceless* quotes. I haven't read bullshit that pretentious in a long, long time. Yeah, he's been writing for the Voice for years; that piece is very much par for the course. People like him, Larry Kramer, Tony Kushner, and the rest of the radical-queer movement are bound to hate the movie because, in their opinion, it doesn't go nearly far enough. Too much love, not enough glory-holing -- that's how you'd really shock the red states. Re: Sullivan's review -- It's too much. We are slowly healing; but some wounds will never heal I already told Ace, that sentence sounds like Andy finally committing entirely to grievance culture. Like Ace says, Sullivan thinks he'll never be "fully free" until we straight boys come to respect gayness in all its many splendors. Legal equality isn't enough. As I read today's post, though, it sounds like he's gone beyond that point, even. Now he's saying there's no way we can ever balance the ledger. Whatever we do, whatever concessions we make, we as a society will owe him in perpetuity. How soon before he starts talking about reparations? Posted by: Allah on December 21, 2005 02:21 PM
The Village Voice review is pretty fkn offensive. Posted by: on December 21, 2005 02:21 PM
Ace, Allah, and All the Straight Boyz will never bend over! Nevah! Posted by: on December 21, 2005 02:23 PM
Reparations? Wasn't Will and Grace enough? Posted by: Slublog on December 21, 2005 02:26 PM
Thanks, Slub. It's funny to read that, as it's pretty accurate, yet. . . off. Like, reality seen through rose-colored (or, gay-colored) glasses. BTW, if I may spoil something for all five people here who will actually bother seeing the film, where Sully writes: "The moment when they reunite - its passion, its need, its depth - ravishes with insight into what love truly is." That's the moment when Ennis grabs Jack and kisses him in an alley underneath his apartment window. . . right in plain daylight view of his wife watching above. The same Ennis that is made throughout the whole movie, before and after, as cautious and timid in dealing with all of this. Yet, all of a sudden, he throws all of that to the wind in order to make out with Jack in broad fucking daylight in front of his own home?!? Riiiight. Totally fucking preposterous moment there. Although, Ennis's wife's reaction was totally real: she decided to keep things quiet and not complain "for the children." If only Ennis had bothered to have that same reaction, perhaps he wouldn't have found true love, but at least he'd have been there for his kids (kids the movie takes pains to portray as having turned out all right-- sure, uh-huh, I believe that). Shit, the more I think about this movie, the more of a crock it is. I'm thinking we just may be down to 2 1/2 stars. If only Anne Hathaway had showed her breasts for longer than one flippin' second. . . Cheers, Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge on December 21, 2005 02:27 PM
Reparations! Lol, I thought the same thing, Allah. It's like Andrew pulled a Shirley Maclaine and channeled a 18th Century soldier named William who couldn't declare his love (ass-love, that is) for his fellow soldier, Mortimer. O the pain! Posted by: Bart at Bareback Mountin' on December 21, 2005 02:33 PM
The hermetic communities pictured in Brokeback Mountain illustrate sociologist Kai T. Erikson's findings in Wayward Puritans (1966)—that American communities have always defined themselves in terms of who doesn't belong in them. The deviant, whether religious, political, or sexual, has always needed to be identified from among the existing population, then exterminated or expelled. The expunged have tended to found their own little territories, which in turn establish their identities by driving out the unorthodox—who have to be invented if they don't already exist.Unintentional self-evisceration never got more obvious. Posted by: someone on December 21, 2005 02:40 PM
Real cowboys are not gay this is just how low hollywood has gotten no wonder its losing money and viewers Posted by: spurwing plover on December 21, 2005 02:51 PM
Comma Splice, meet Spurwing. Posted by: Bart on December 21, 2005 02:54 PM
Don't pick on our next President, Bart. Election 2008: It don't mean a thing if you don't vote for Spurwing. Posted by: Sue Dohnim on December 21, 2005 03:48 PM
If only Anne Hathaway had showed her breasts for longer than one flippin' second. . . Wait a minute, now: Anne Hathaway shows her breasts? Posted by: Ralphie on December 21, 2005 03:52 PM
Dave, you should review Total Eclipse, with Leonard DiCapprio. It's right up your alley, man. Posted by: on December 21, 2005 03:55 PM
Yup, Ralphie. But just for a moment. Save yourself the time and rent her movie "Havoc" instead-- longer nudity. Or, better yet, just search for the clips on INTERNET. Hey, free porn is always the best kind. Cheers, Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge on December 21, 2005 04:04 PM
Everybody always complains about gay threads, but what gets fifty or more comments every time? Damn, you're all homos. Posted by: adolfo velasquez on December 21, 2005 04:10 PM
Oh, be quiet and give me a kiss. Posted by: Slublog on December 21, 2005 04:11 PM
Election 2008: It don't mean a thing if you don't vote for Spurwing. lol! Posted by: on December 21, 2005 04:16 PM
Save yourself the time and rent her movie "Havoc" instead-- longer nudity. Or, better yet, just search for the clips on INTERNET. Thanks for the heads up. Putting it on the "to do" list for when I get home from work. Posted by: Ralphie on December 21, 2005 04:57 PM
It's not like this is a "breakthrough" movie. Top Gun was made in like 1986. Posted by: Kevin on December 21, 2005 05:40 PM
And I find I still have no interest in seeing this movie. The gay cowboy thing was just the primary reason. Take away the gay cowboys and it's still a movie about marital infidelity, which is going to bore me unconscious. I have to endure enough of hearing about such woes in real life. I don't go to the movies to endure the commonplace troubles of fake people. Anne Hathaway could strut around completely nekkid for five minutes and I still wouldn't want to endure the rest. It'll turn up on cable eventually and some site will tell me how far to fast forward for the celebrity flesh. Some people, women I think they're called, draw great enjoyment from enduring the emotional conflicts of fake people but not me. Posted by: epobirs on December 21, 2005 05:45 PM
I truly would rather get a prostate exam from Vlad the Impaler than see this, but my inner jerk can't help but laugh at the thought of a theater full of gay guys watching this, weeping like a pregnant woman at an Oprah taping. I know that's fucked up, but Jesus, could Sullivan's gooey histrionics be any more over the top? Hey Andy, Dr Foppish Gay McStereotype called, you're appointment is tomorrow at nine. Posted by: UGAdawg on December 21, 2005 07:08 PM
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