I'm not so sure I'm buying this as a particularly 'muslim' uprising.

Sure, it is in the sense that it's chiefly muslims (what 2/3 muslim,somehting like that?) But it ain't the sort of 'return to the caliphate' bomb spree that we'd expect to see gnereated by hate spewing mosques and one-eyed 'kill the jews!" imams.

Seems more a result of nihilist moderns disaffected and looking for ways to say 'I'm powerful.' Sort of powered by the pleasure in destruction that a lot of old people forget they had in their youth - that it's fun just to break shit, burn stuff.

Really, I still fall back on the Dalrymple article. You withdraw police and socitial demands from youths given a decent not-wanting but given low social status and they'll rock back by wallowing around in gang culture as a way of providing status and heirarchies. They'll make themselves a shitty little world where they're top dog.

Then Sarkozy comes along and say's you're gonna have to live by decent rules of society, so they explode to prove they're the powerful ones here.

To be clear, I don't excuse a single thing they've done. They're just thugs acting like thugs. But the point is, they wouldn't have been allowed to create such powerful thug culture completely ruling neighborhoods if the damn French hadn't turned a blind eye to it so long, hadn't been afraid to send their police in earlier. Now they wanna do it and it's a bit late.

I just added something about that in an update. Feel free to take your remarks and put them in a stand-alone post to rebut me or disagree, if you like.

Nah, not really rebutting you. Don't care for the blameless 'kids being kids' tone of the WaPo and very much against that 'appeasement now!" line Chirac seems headed for. Just trying to get out something been sloshing round in my head, don't think I have it there for a real post.

Muslim youth have recognition from the government. The government sends them a welfare check every month.

Come on. Cheerleaders are being arrested and you are talking about riots?

http://www.tampabays10.com/sports/sports_article.aspx?storyid=20844

Well some woman who spoke to one whole entire Parisian says it's all just a drug-dealer thing, and that we need to "get a grip". So I'm reassured now.

Yep. Reassured completely.

The NYT brought America into the discussion so that its readers would have an easier time understanding the issue...

The corrosive gap between America's whites and its racial minorities, especially African-Americans, is the product of centuries: slavery, followed by cycles of poverty and racial exclusion that denied generation after generation the best the United States could offer. France, on the other hand, is only beginning to struggle with a much newer variant of the same problem: the fury of Muslims of North African descent who have found themselves caught for three generations in a trap of ethnic and religious discrimination.

I'll give the liberal media points for consistency. Turns out, they are quite willing use the "root causes of violence" to justify violence in just about every situation, even violence affecting their favorite rogue state, France.

Oh, I dunno. Every time the LAT gets a bomb threat, they don't stop and ask what was the root cause. No, they say get the hell out of the building and get the mofo. Absolutely no time is spent on reflecting let alone reporting on the root cause of that guys violence.

Aha! It's 'link to Feisty Republican Whore' day at Ace 'o Spades.

TOTAL turn-on.

Anyway, it seems that in any riot situation, there will be a core group of original rioters (i.e. "the Muslim youths") and at some point, it becomes a free-for-all where everyone's invited. Kinda like all those Halloween parties at UW-Madison...starts as college students having some beers in the street...turns into a city-wide riot every year with people from all over the midwest....

Cheerleaders are being arrested and you are talking about riots?

Not just cheerleaders. Hard drinkin' brawlin' lesbian cheerleaders. Sweet.

There may not be any practical difference between the Thugs Gone Wild theory and the Worldwide Islamist Offensive.

Both derive from a sense of entitlement and cultural superiority combined with a volatile population of idle, angry young muslims. Whether it's tyranny in the mideast or the dead hand of Euro-socialism, they are buried alive. Violence is their response; and ultimately, radical Islam offers the only justification.

If these rioters aren't Islamists now, they soon will be. When Chirac caves in, France will be incubating all the ingredients of Islamofascist terror right in their own suburbs. They will be unable to deal with them, short of Israeli-style military action.

Wait a minute... drunken lesbian cheerleaders? And I'm wasting time on France?

At this point I'm kind of exhausted by the myriad political 'angles' to rioting, when the heart of the thing is and always has been order.
You know, the foundation of a civil society. The force behind why people don't do bad things to each other.

But that's sooo elemental. Bah! Caveman talk. I'm not a sophisticated intellectual. I guess when you've reached a certain...elevation, 'order' becomes something you can see through and intellectually deconstruct.
And then its not much of a leap to let others actually, physically deconstruct it.

Maybe its time to rename this new country that occupies the territory once owned by France.

Maybe its time to rename this new country that occupies the territory once owned by France.

Smellabad? Frogastan?

Hah!

Whatever the "root causes" of the "unrest", the fact remains that we are still being lied to and manipulated by the members of the press.

A Financial Times article datelined tonight stil says "The rioting broke out 11 days ago after two black teenagers were electrocuted ....". The facts of the matter are that one of the teenagers was Tunisian, a country populated by Arab tribes who "migrated" to the country during the 7th century. The language of Tunisia is, of course, Arabic. 99.4% of the population of Tunisia are Muslim. The other teenager is from Mauritania, which like Tunisia, borders Algeria. The language spoken there is also Arabic, but only 2/3 of the country is Arab. However, 99.5% of the population is Muslim. It did not take a great deal of thought on my part to decide that yes, these individuals were almost certainly part of the Muslim community, not just poor and disenfranchised youths.

So might I just humbly inquire, where the f*&k does the FT get off telling us these were "black teenagers" and trying to hide who they actually were?

Via the IHT and the NYT, there is now a solid suggestion from the Muslim community in Paris on how the government can work to defuse the situation.

"...Mr. Hannachi said that the government must become engaged with the youths to calm the situation.

"We now need investigations, condemnations for those who have done things wrong and apologies for mistakes," Mr. Hannachi said. "You can already see what happens when repression tactics are used."

Somehow, I don't think he means the rioters are ready to apologize.

But can you imagine a France without Muslims? I can.

The European way hasn't solved anything. Trusting in diplomacy only works when one is sure one's cards are good enough to force compromise. As "New Glory" (by Ralph Peters) seems to suggest, it is time that America forged its own way, ignore Europe's ways and their opinions, and taught the world how to do things right.

I must admit feeling a bit of Schadenfreude: the French were so haughty about our race relations when, to be honest, I think race relations in the US are far better than they are anywhere in Europe. Current events show that engaging other races, rather than instituting an extremely liberal policy towards them, works much better. Even ultra-liberal and tolerant Holland is facing race relations crises. (Besides, I suppose one may make the argument that Europe is far more racist and xenophobic than the US. A person like Jean-Marie Le Pen would not have been able to garnish the support he did in the US as he did in France. Even our rightist party (Go Republicans!) don't have Europe's right's hostility and xenophobia.)

Somehow, I don't think he means the rioters are ready to apologize.

Doesn't that just beat all.
If the innocents who have been assaulted and lost property and generally scared out of their wits start begging their government to apologize to the rioters and listen to their 'cause,' I think we can finally assume France is no longer.

Its not lawlessness if we classify it as something else and reward it with power. Then its legitimate political discourse. Does this work with other forms of extortion?

I like Reo Symes's take on this. I think it's less of a jihad thing and more about general urban decay, although I see islam and racism as contributing factors.

We have the same problems here, to a lesser extent. Liberal social engineering and identity politics are making it worse. But the trouble is, right-wingers out in the suburbs and countryside simply don't care much about all of the suffering in our nasty inner city ghettos. We need to start caring. These things don't happen overnight. We need to realize that it's just not OK that there are neighborhoods in LA where I'd be afraid to walk in broad daylight.

What's happening in Paris is a wake-up call. We could end up in their situation quite easily.

"Does this work with other forms of extortion?"

Think Jesse Jackson....

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As far as radical islam and all that goes...

One big problem the new caliphate faces is that jihadis seem to always over-play their hand.

Take 9/11, for example. They should have waited a few years for nuclear weapons to proliferate and Iraq's sanctions to be undone. Or all the recent troubles with islam in Europe (e.g. the murder of Van Gogh, Paris riots, etc.). They've got demographics on their side; all they needed to do was wait. But, fortunately for us, they always strike before they're ready.

If radical islam had patience and self-control, we'd all be doomed.

If radical islam had patience and self-control, we'd all be doomed.

But they've got their own clock ticking - if they don't show significant progress, recruiting drops, members drift away, and groups splinter. You've gotta keep those jihadis fired up, or the movement evaporates.

Right.

Fascist movements are cancers; they have to grow or die. The same problem forced Hitler to launch WWII before he was ready.

One of the reasons the good guys always win - evil is self-destructive.

You misspelled my (fake) name, but thanks for the hat-tip.

I found the thing on LGF, though, so you should really be thanking Charles.

In re: Islamism's impatience ...

"Spengler" points out that while their bith rate is high, it's declining rapidly. He reckons they've got no more than 25-30 years to realize their goals ... time is not necessarily on their side. Hope he's right.

I've had several French people talk about how American blacks could only work at McDonalds.

So, lo and behold, when I went to the McDos on the Champs d'Elysee (a must stop for an American visiting Paris) I noticed all the staff was black african.

I'm really beginning to like Muslihoon. Post here more often guy!

If these rioters aren't Islamists now, they soon will be. When Chirac caves in, France will be incubating all the ingredients of Islamofascist terror right in their own suburbs. They will be unable to deal with them, short of Israeli-style military action.

Think Jesse Jackson....

Exactly. What's going on now, as bad as it is, is not the real worry. The current situation is very analagous to race riots we had here in Watts, Newark, Detroit..cities all across America. The issue then was lack of assimilation of poor black Americans into the culture of the US. They were ignored and abandoned to the inner city slums. As JannyMae pointed out, race warriors such as Jesse Jackson and Calypso Louie Farrakhan stepped into the leadership void and claimed ownership and direction. Rather than attempting to assimilate, Jackson and the other race baiters took the opportunity to highlight the differences, and attempted to get America to change to accomodate them. To varying degrees they have been successful.

The dominate theme shared by most of the Youee's is their ties to Islam. They may not be an organized Islamic mob now but they will be. Nature abhors a vacumn. There have already been demands by various rioters to "leave us alone" or "this is our place and the police have no right to be here". Chirac is already working with leaders in the community, Imans of course, to get so degree of control.

If these areas are allowed to become seperate, self-governing Islamic communities, France as we know it will be gone. It may already be.

so = some.

Damn, still working off NY Jets induced hangover.

Sorry folks, server burp.

I shoulda laid off the Tex-Mex. uurrp!

I feel that you are dead on the money, JackStraw. This is the new template of jihad. Infiltrate, recruit & outbreed, then take over. It is a strategy borrowed from neo-Marxists, who borrowed it from imperial colonialists, who learned their tricks from the barbarians, who in their turn aided the fall of the Roman Empire.

The neo-Marxists are still with us (e.g., France) but they will fall to the jihadists because of their self-induced inability to breed.

Just after I wrote the above post, I found this article which echoes my sentiments. Good read.

Infiltrate, recruit & outbreed. Exactly. No one wants to be politically incorrect in this country -but population has to be seriously addressed. Bermuda has a good grip on that reality and we should study them.

Monica:
I'm really beginning to like Muslihoon. Post here more often guy!

I like Muslihoon. But I don't like Muslihoon.

Notice NYT Craig Smith and WaPo Molly Moore both avoid the designation "Muslim" in their descriptions of the latest mayhem? Sounds like a ukase from the Managing Editors or the Ed Board has a Party Line that it is just socioeconomic circumstances at work. This is the tired mantra of the leftest-liberals since they calved off from Stalinism.

The NYT and WPost continue mouthing the same tiresome economic and victimization lectures most mini-Marxists recite to blame everything on institutions and absolve individuals from any responsibility. I continue to read Le Monde and the French press, and lived several years in France. From my experience as a political officer in the State Dept, it is clear the elitist dirigiste boutique-left political class continues to undercut Sarkozy. He went over the top by calling the arsonists "racaille," but mainly he is guilty of calling for law and order without the obeisances the socialist mandarinate in Paris demands toward the poor disadvantaged arsonists.

“Dialogue” demonstrates the demand of the Minister of Social Cohesion. Yeah, stopping the Germans in 1940 with dialogue didn’t work, but the French always pretend to know better.

First rule of Muslihoon, don't talk about Muslihoon.

So the French youth (be sure not to identify as Muslim) are rioting because they don’t have nice things. Has it ever occurred to one of the little geniuses that if they stop burning down crap they would have nicer things?

"I'm Here, Man. I'm Here."

I hate to laugh when what we're talking about is so serious, but for some reason this really cracked me up.

Normally I like to cover all the bases -- what are the stressors and what can be done about releiving?

Notice that these governments allowed all these imigrants in "unofficially" against the will of their people. Now we pay the price.

One word that could change the world:

D E P O R T A T I O N