I thought about posting this, but then was like "Eh, how many times has the discovery of one of these been announced only to be declared nothing later." As you say, though, this looks like an after the invasion facility. But it does bring up the question of how can the inspectors have given a categorical "nothing to see here" decision, when it would seem they weren't able to search places like Mosul and Fallujah. Just a thought.

At any rate, I think with the 9/11 commission boondoggle being unveiled now, I have enough "I told you so" stuff to bug my liberal friends for at least a week (though they do seem impervious to reality).

Only ONE chemical facility?

Not historically significant.

Forgive me for going totally off topic here...

In an earlier discussion, it was mentioned that so many of the most beautiful women are leftist nutcases.

Case in point:
http://chasemeladies.blogspot.com/2005/08/festival-of-youth-and-students-2005.html

P.S. That last post was me. Forgot to sign in again.

-at

It's probably a Meth lab. Those damn things are popping up everywhere.

Ace,

Completely unrelated. You should post something about this:
http://www.courttv.com/people/2005/0812/koko_ctv.html
It's right up your alley. I mean, with breast, gorillas, lawsuits, what more can you want?

The whole Iraq had no WMDs argument has always been bogus. All you need is intent, the money to buy the ingrediants, the facility to mix, and the will to use. What part of that did Iraq not have.

In London we have had ricin, and explosives being made. The nasty stuff is nowhere near as hard to produce as the leftist-MSM would lead you to belive. And that was Iraq's ruse, get rid of the stockpiles.

Tell me once again what those empty chemical munitions were for? Fertilizer?

Baby formula.

Pesticides. Roaches love to hide around missile fuselages.

Obviously this was a long range irrigation scheme to facilitate farming in areas where only artillery can reach...

Saddam was just looking to "reach out and touch someone" with the gift of green.

Ken: But it does bring up the question of how can the inspectors have given a categorical "nothing to see here" decision, when it would seem they weren't able to search places like Mosul and Fallujah. Just a thought.

1. Nothing found, countrywide.
2. All scientists involved in US custody for 2 years. None said any existed despite huuuuuuuge cash rewards offered to them by desperate neocons,
3. Kay and Deulfer Report - No WMD!
4. US troops packed away their NBC gear 2 years ago and now focus on the product of all the conventional ammo dumps they were ordered to ignore in the early phase by Pentagon civvies obsessed with vast, vast WMD stockpiles.
5. None has been used on us.

Bill: The whole Iraq had no WMDs argument has always been bogus. All you need is intent, the money to buy the ingrediants, the facility to mix, and the will to use. What part of that did Iraq not have.

Bill, are you still out on your Boy Scout snipe hunt? Look, at some point hewing to the early neocon talking points only embarasses yourself. And you left out the part of Iraq being "as big as California" - capable of hiding enough Vast WMD Stockpiles to KILL EVERY AMERICAN (and our dogs , too!).

Same old tired talking points...yawn!!!

Re: Cedarford's #2

Now crawl back under your rock.

Forgot to link whore Cedarford Sucks.

I'd ask what part of reality doesn't Cedarford understand, but it's obvious it's all of it. He wouldn't know reality if it smacked him upside his pin head. Kinda like Dean, or The Boston Drunk, or Dingy Harry, or Nancy "Are we back on earth yet?" Pelosi, or...

I have to say, though I've had certain misgivings about keeping the miserable little asswipe--I'm proud of Ace for never having banned our favorite Anti-Zionist (tm) crusader from the comments section. I love Cedarford like I love an enormous blob of shit on the end of an oblivious Pat Buchanan's nose which I've conveniently forgotten to tell him about.
Just as I love Ward Churchill like I would love an enormous blob of shit on the end of Noam Chomsky's nose, which I've also conveniently forgotten to tell him about.
Some people are their own most effective opponents.

Re: Cedarford's #1

Not the vast stockpiles that everyone was looking for, but it's just another lie to claim that none have been found. BTW, the second paragraph also points out that Cedarford's #5 is also technically incorrect. The story is about sarin gas being used in an IED.

Cedarford Sucks.

Correction: It's use against US troops is mentioned in the first paragraph, not the second. Although it was set up by "insurgents", the sarin itself obviously was left over from Saddam's supply. If he didn't have any, then why was there some left?

It's true alex.
C adds a certain...'je ne sais merde' to the site.

I love it when you speak french! :)

Nothing like a self-congratulatory Zionist circle jerk.

Must be a little sad this week, as your buds slink out of Gaza, ey??

Heh.

Not quite like the glory days of early summer 2003, when you thought America handling Syria and Iran for Israel per Ledeen's "Faster America! Faster, please" chant was gonna happen. Cakewalk-style.

Digitalbrownshirt...it's not too late to travel there and join up for the West Bank withdrawals that start next year. Think of your loyalty to country and cause , digitboy!

Take Alex with you. BTW, Alex, nothing says you are shit quite like being so reviled you have to dig up your cemeteries and take them with you. How about a little gravedigger duty, Alex? Take the remnants of Zionism back into Israel proper? Sounds about par for you...you might like doing a few days honest labor.

On Iraq. Halfway through 2005, we know that there were no WMD stockpiles, no American public will to follow the neocons on more spendid wartime adventures to: (1) Take out Iran to preserve Israel's nuclear bomb monopoly; (2) Invade Syria to find the "vast, hidden, buried Iraqi WMD stockpiles secretly transported to Syria" the neos swear on the Mossad's word went there...

Is that French? I thought her hands cramped up while typing.

Did I mention Cedarford Sucks?

You're changing your story cocksucker. That's the problem with writing down every stupid thought that passes through your head. Sooner or later people call you on your bullshit.

So Iran should have nukes just to bust up the monopoly eh.
How very...what's the word?.....oh yes.
Idiotic.

For a chemical production facility of recent origin, the stuff in the photos looks pretty old.

Curious how it always comes back to Jewish--sorry!--:Zionist: semen for our old buddy up there.

Heh--that reminds me: I had a good buddy back in undergrad who had the same boyfriend throughout all four years of college. Since he was Jewish, she used to like to say she was 'Jewish by injection'.

Then Cedarford might be Jewish too.

Cederford - I don't know of any scientists who are willing to go out and dig holes to bury stuff. Scientists don't like to get their hands dirty.

If there is stuff anywhere, it would have been a detail of expendable lackys commanded by a few unpromotable mid level officers. Once the stuff was in the ground, the lackys would have been killed and joined the stuff in the hole. Once the officers returned from cleaning up the site and handed over the GPS coordinates of the stash - they would have been killed as well.

...or at least that's how *I* would have done it had I been Saddam and didn't want any flapjaws after the fact. Populating desert graves was never one of his big hangups in the past, so I have no reason to believe it would have been on any projects involving hiding things.

a self-congratulatory Zionist circle jerk

Say, Ace, how about exchanging the quote on the masthead for this one?

Yannow, truth in advertising and all that.

But how's that gonna look on a shirt?

Tony -

Yeah, old Trevanian novels about Nazi gold and secret Nazi weapons always had the people not at the top, top of the conspiracy killed off so The Secret was safe.

In real life, in 2 years, no US soldier those Top Saddam henchmen wanted killed in any way possible have been killed by WMD.

The military people in charge of force protection have ordered troops to get rid of NBC gear - they have confirmed there is no threat.

We have, besides the scientists, most of the top Leadership. All said no WMDs, even the ones we said we'd let go free with 5 million dollars to a nice villa anywhere in the world if they would just spare the neocons the embarassment of no WMD!

It's a dead issue, Tony, except for the remaining neocons that haven't gone in deep cover, who still squawk about "vast hidden stockpiles".

Don't embarass yourself by being a gullible tool of the neos....The WMD faux pas is behind us...unless we do something really stupid like invade Syria and find, whoops! No Iraqi WMD there, either...

Digitalbrownasshole - Enjoy the Gaza show, amigo!

Lauraw - I don't want Iran with nukes purely because Israel has them. My point is that with bomb-making knowledge disseminated, even if Iran is truthful about not wanting the Bomb, eventually some Arab nation must seek it to establish strategic parity. Israel is too weak to prevent it, which would put the onus on the US to preserve the Israeli nuclear monopoly in the ME unless we get a peace deal. Meaning, Israel gets recognized, pulls back from most of the West Bank, and gives up it's undeclared WMD stockpile of nuclear weapons. The US, Russia, & China act as Israel's guarantor, and the ME becomes a nuclear-free zone.

The US cannot afford to launch major wars over the next decade or two against Iran, Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, the new Islamic Republic of Iraq, or Pakistan - to preserve Israel's nuke monopoly and allow it to keep it's land seizures and Colonies on the West Bank.

I don't see the US being willing to die and bleed treasure indefinitely to serve as Israel's lackey boys to preserve the status quo Israel prefers.

Israels undeclared nuclear and biowar WMD stockpiles served the Zionists well for a long time, but their deterrent value is going away fast since the Arabs now have the technical skills to pursue strategic parity. Even now, an Israeli 1st Strike nuclear attack on a neighboring country (taking out 70 Iranian nuclear energy sites) will trigger the Oil Embargo the US no longer has the resources to break or China or Pakistan providing the revenge nukes to finish the payback.

Israel's only long-term shot is peace and withdrawal back to Israel Proper's 1967 borders, save perhaps the Old part of Jerusalem and its Colonies in that area, with tradeoff land given to the Pals up north.

Not having excavated all of Iraq, I can't be as certain as you are Cederford.

It only took what - about 4,000 years to find the remains of Babylon? (which nobody was trying to hide).

Given that we discover new ammo dumps on a daily basis, anyone who speaks in absolutes is a fool.

If something were to exist, all we've demonstrated so far is that we know with absolute certainty where it is not. That "Searched" area probably comprises less than 1% of the territory of Iraq.

I'll offer you the same proposition I offer everyone spouting your rhetoric.

Give me 1 hour alone in your house to hide a $.25 piece somewhere. If you can find it within the next 5 years, I'll give you $1,000. If you can't, you give me $1. So far, there have been no takers.

Use as many searchers as you like, work 7x24x365 if you like. Its hard to find things someone doesn't want to be found.

Tony - Then using your logic, how can we ever be sure Saddam didn't hide his "vast stockpiles" of WMD in California...which neocons warn is almost as big as Iraq?

What shall we do about searching California?

For that matter, maybe the Nazis did develop 2-5 nuclear bombs, hundreds of tons of anthrax, and buried it all...in a country bigger than Oregon.

Who is in charge of that search? Knowing by your calcs it may take 4,000 years to find the hidden Nazi nuclear bombs?

As for Iraq, this isn't a case of finding remnant shit years down the road after finding a brimming plethora of it as we invaded. Not a gram, not a fucking gram of WMD from ANY stockpile has been found.

Credit the military with having more brains than the neocons that never served or handled weaponry or weapons threats. They have concluded that there is no WMD threat in Iraq because there aren't any WMD.

Let the neocon diehards that still claim "vast buried stockpiles" talk away. Their only goal for bringing it up halfheartedly for the last year and a half is in hope that the US will swallow the bait and take out another one of Israel's frontline enemies. But even they know Bush has a snowball's chance in hell of being allowed to start another major preemptive war without a concrete case for doing so, since the Bushie's credibility in the "trust us, we know WMD threats" is a bit shredded...

Don't embarass yourself in public talking about "how easy" it is to "hide the vast stockpiles of WMD" that Chalabi's plants swore was there...

Cedarford: Are you ever going to address the lies I caught you in, or do you think we'll forget that you don't know what you're talking about? I've seen more honesty from the loons at DU.

Cedarford Sucks.

What the hell has Cedarford been smoking? I sure want some of that stuff!! He spouts about nuclear parity in the ME like he actually knows what he is talking about. Sort of like playing chess with himself - ya know, if he has the game all mapped out, then he can force the outcome.

What he fails to tell you is that Israel enjoys NNS (Neighborhood Nuclear Superiority) and has no intention of letting ANYONE else in the ME into the game. The Mullasses in Iran will NEVER bring a Nuke to fruition. There might be a bloody bloody war, but there will be no Nukes for the Mullasses.

We didn't sell all of those bunker buster bombs to Israel so they could sit on them. Nosiree, Mossad knows just where Iran is in the Nuke timetable and at the right moment- if all else fails......kaboooooom!

Cedarford,
I'm not going to get into the pissing match you're having with everyone else, but Israel too weak? TOO WEAK!?! What kind of industrial grade crack are you smoking? Israel might be hamstrung by trying to please the international community, but if you think for a second that Israel couldn't destroy those who surround it, you've been getting your information about Israel's military capabilities from Palestinian dailies. (By the way, how DID those borders expand in 1967? I can't seem to remember. Oh, wait, in a war against all the Arab countries! And I remember the U.S. helped ... by getting one of its ships bombed... by the Israelis.)

So which is it? Israel has WMDs, nukes and an unfair military advantage or is it "too weak" and needs the U.S. to do its dirty work. Make up your mind. The only thing the U.S. has been doing for Israel over the last twenty years is begging it not to "make things worse" by answering back with its full might to the Palestinians and those who support them. And you can see this withdrawal as a "defeat" for Israel. Then again, you can see the moon as being made of cheese--and your arguments as having some kind of merit. But I'm gonna put my money on Israel every time.

Now you finally understand Cederford!

We only can know that which is known. That which is unknown is STILL unknown.

Cedarford:

LMAO once again.

Ken - Israel has WMDs, nukes and an unfair military advantage or is it "too weak" and needs the U.S. to do its dirty work. Make up your mind. The only thing the U.S. has been doing for Israel over the last twenty years is begging it not to "make things worse" by answering back with its full might.

Israel is a pissant, or as Chirac and his London ambassador agree, a shitty little country of 5 million people that suck 3-5 billion dollars in wealth from the USA every year and depend on the US to prevent the embargo that would cripple Israel in a few months..It is strong in the way the Soviets were, in weaponry, but brittle and weak in other ways.

And even in weaponry, there are limits. It lacks the capacity to strike Iran conventionally, it lacks allies in the area. It would have to get through 2 other countries that hate the Zionists - Jordan and Iraq - on the way to and from 300 targets. It knows this of course, and does seek the US to do it's dirty work.

An Israeli nuclear 1st strike on Iran would be suicidal. Within hours, Chinese or Pakistani revenge warheads would be being packed and sent to Hezbollah.

The idea that the US "chains and restrains" the mighty Zionists is as fatuous as the idea that Red China could easily have been retaken if we "only unleashed Chiang Kai Shek".

The only reason Israel exists is at American sufferance. If we ever get so sick of their backstabbing with their selling defense secrets to the Soviets, now the Chinese, that we pull our support, Israel will be done within a year - a fact they finally seem to get because they haven't backstabbed again us for the last 2 years or so... We pulled their ass out of the fire in 1973 and have worked like crazy, even at considerable damage to America's vital interests elsewhere, from having to do it again.

So, can I assume you won't address the lies you got caught in? I was really hoping you'd explain why you'd lie about easily researched facts. Is it because you are fundamentally dishonest, or just horribly stupid?

C'mon Cedarford, I really want to know.

digitalbrownshirt:

Yes, you may safely assume CF will not address the lies.

Thanks for the link to the Cedarford Sucks website, which I was previously not aware of. Keep up the good work.