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Excitable Andy Finally Addresses Support For Rough Tactics With Terrorist Detainees, Oh So Long AgoListen to this f'n' jackass spin: Nothing I'm not used to. Yesterday, James Taranto took yet another dig at my early attitude to reports of "poor treatment" of terrorist captives. In January 2002 and for a while thereafter, I somewhat summarily dismissed reports of mistreatment of detainees as probably enemy propaganda and certainly not something that should worry us too much:These terrorists are not soldiers. They are beneath such an honorific. They are not even criminals. In that respect, Dick Cheney's and Donald Rumsfeld's contempt for the whines of those complaining about poor treatment is fully justified. Asshole, what the fuck does "treated roughly" mean if not "abuse" and "beatings"? What the fuck did you think you were talking about? Denying terrorists the right to watch VH-1's Behind the Music: ? & The Mysterions? And as for torture: let's say this hysterical little twat has cried "torture!" after ridiculous reports of female soldiers forcibly raping (via the vagina, not some object) male terrorist prisoners. (See beyond the jump; content warning.) More: This was the American military. This was the Bush administration, people I trusted. I had no idea - and perhaps I should be held responsible for my naivete - Perhaps. But only "perhaps." Remember, this was also before Bush supported the Federal Marriage Amendment. -that memos were being written allowing for torture and abuse to occur under the legal cover of a president's wartime authority. The memos did not allow torture. They did allow mild non-injurious coercive contact. The self-same "rought treatment" Andy was once so high on. Abu Ghraib had not yet been exposed. Fuck you, pal. That was pretty obviously Amateur Hour. Real, trained torturers don't take pictures of their torture sessions and send them around through cell-phones. And stacking prisoners in a game of Naked Arab Jenga is not generally considered a useful interrogation tactic. The hundreds of incidents of abuse, the dozens of prisoners who died while in captivity, the smaller number who have indeed been confirmed as tortured to death: these facts I did not then know. But after Abu Ghraib, I obviously changed my tune. Just in case you're keeping track: Abu Ghraib was right around the time of the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court's decision on gay marriage, and Bush's opposition that ruling. Not that there's a connection. If that could happen, I worried about what else could have occurred. I read the record. I explored the evidence. I came to a different conclusion. The facts available to me changed; and so I changed my mind. Why is that open process to be mocked? When you blog half a million words a year, and you do so for five years, and you use the blog form as a way to think out loud, the notion that your views will remain identical throughout strikes me as preposterous. When the facts available to me change, I change my mind. But then I guess I'm not James Taranto. When people change their minds, it's considered forthright to admit doing so. They ought not need be badgered into it by the mocking of Taranto (and myself). Why was he mocked? Because he would not admit he changed his tune. And without the mocking-- he'd have never have admitted it. Just like his stealthy shift in allegiance to Kerry-- something else he didn't admit until mocked about it by writers at NRO's The Corner. Forced to admit he's changed his position, he now pats himself on the back for doing so... but what's so terrific about changing one's position? There's nothing necessarily wrong with it; but the Shrill Shill just keeps heaping praise upon himself for everyfuckinglittlething he does. I've changed my position on Andrew Sullivan. Am I similarly heroic? From The Vault: Excitable Andy Loses His Shit Over Claims of "Rape" By Female Soldiers. Content Warning. As I, um, "reported," way back in February:
[Sullivan's histrionic post, quoting a Time article (I believe):] One plaintiff, identified only as Neisef, claims that after he was taken from his home on the outskirts of Baghdad last November and sent to Abu Ghraib, Americans made him disrobe and attached electrical wires to his genitals. He claims he was shocked three times. Although a vein in his penis ruptured and he had blood in his urine, he says, he was refused medical attention. In another session, Neisef claims, he was held down by two men while a uniformed woman forced him to have sex with her. "I was crying," said Neisef, 28. "I felt like my whole manhood was gone." Hmmmm... two men forced this poor man down, while a woman forced him to have sex with her. This is a Penthouse Forum fantasy, not a credible fucking charge. This is the sort of fantasy concocted by a sexually-repressed Islamoretard who believes such things are possible in the decadent US. We should be so lucky. Dear Penthouse Forum, Riiiiiiight. How many forcible genital rapes of men -- by women -- occur each year? How about each fucking decade? How about in all of recorded human history? Woman occasionally, but rarely, commit sex offenses at all. They commit statutory rape on rare occasions. On even rarer occasions, they might sodomize another person -- male or female -- with a digit or object. But forcing a man to have actual genital-to-genital sex-- against his will? How many women are so hard-up they need to rape a dirty, filthy terrorist prisoner? Let me get this straight: This woman couldn't get voluntary sex from a man... in the United States Armed Forces. Talk about not being able to get laid in women's prison with a fistful of pardons. Talk about not being able to get your leg humped in a kennel with your pockets filled with lunchmeat and chew-toys. If it's true that this woman couldn't manage to get voluntary sex from 135,000 horny, sexually-deprived soldiers and therfore raped a dirty, stinking prisoner, then I'd say right there is your reason why we can't allow any additional gay men in the military. Why, look at the tragic results! If only one man stationed in Iraq had been attracted to the female sex, all of this ugliness might have been avoided. And how the hell does the man maintain an erection during this "violation"? I don't say this is impossible. I will say it is so unlikely to be laugh-out-loud ludicrous, especially without serious corroborating evidence. But I'm not surprised that the very objective Time magazine reports this, nor that the very independent, still-deciding-between-Bush-and-Kerry Randy Andy cites this article as a damning indictment. PS: While I was away at the beatuiful Mount Airy Lodge, I was abducted and chain-raped by a gang of buxom Catholic high-school cheerleaders. And yes, I know I will be harrangued for continuing to write about my violation. But I won't let that stop me. I will soldier on bravely, and see if I can't interest Cinemax in filming my sordid story, which I've tentatively titled Man-Handled: The Greatest Fucking Thing That Ever Fucking Happened to Me In My Entire Fucking Life. ... Back to the current post. Remember: George Bush's support of the FMA had nothing at all to do with the Narcisstic Nabob's suddenly finding it credible that female US soldiers -- with, quite literally, tens of thousands of willing male sexual partners to choose from -- were raping terrorist detainees. Uh-fuckin'-huh. The Excitable One says his mind was changed by reading "the record." The only "record" he's ever cared about is his Who's Hot/Who's Not list on gay marriage supporters.
It's so sad being the only independent-minded truth-teller in America. If it weren't for the $100K in "bandwidth fund donations" I get every year, honestly, I don't know how I'd soldier on. Jackass twerp. Thanks to Allah for the pic. posted by Ace at 05:15 PM
CommentsPosted by: Allah on July 8, 2005 05:21 PM
I demand to be taken prisoner by an all-female Delta Force team and interrogated, brutally, for days and nights on end. Lack of sleep, inappropriate contact - make that very inappropriate contact - and unconventional restraints gladly welcomed. I'll waive all my rights and I'll register in open court as an "unlawful enemy combatant" right now. Hell, I'll renounce my citizenship and convert to fuckin' Islam, as long as the US Army promises to never, ever let me go free in my entire life. And that no one remotely resembling Lynndie England ever comes near me. Now that would be cruel and unusual. Posted by: Megan on July 8, 2005 05:31 PM
Ugh. That whole article is vomit. Posted by: lauraw on July 8, 2005 05:31 PM
Allah: It's almost impossible these days NOT to hurt the excitable one, or to NOT make the shrill shill cry. Although, if you really want to make him cry, suggest that a weekend of consensual "gimping" and "gag balls" is torture under his newly evolved sensibilities. It's karma baby. And AS is just our little Karma Chameleon. Posted by: Jack M. on July 8, 2005 05:31 PM
Ace, that was the greatest post ever. If you'd like to retire, do it now, and go out on top. Josh Posted by: Josh Martin on July 8, 2005 05:32 PM
You're on f$%#ing fire today Posted by: brak on July 8, 2005 05:33 PM
Oh my.... I need a moment to catch my breath now. :) Posted by: NickS on July 8, 2005 05:36 PM
I archived that pic for future Photoshopping the moment I saw it. He looks exactly like Sally Struthers during those Africa aid commercials. "Won't you please help?" Posted by: Allah on July 8, 2005 05:40 PM
Megan, Stop being so shy and tell us how you really feel about being with other women. Ace, is she allowed to supplement with pictures or are you still pretending this is "not that kinda site Posted by: TheDude on July 8, 2005 05:42 PM
I've been feeling deprived lately. Gotta find me a Koran. Posted by: Megan on July 8, 2005 05:43 PM
Allah - now you're just being mean. I'm sure Sally Struthers has more back hair. Posted by: Megan on July 8, 2005 05:43 PM
Always nice to see another ignorant fool talk about male rape. Go ahead and cheapen it. It's more common than you think: http://www.ncvc.org/ncvc/main.aspx?dbName=DocumentViewer&DocumentID=32361 But then again why let facts get in your way. Posted by: Tristan on July 8, 2005 05:49 PM
I can just picture a P-Town karaoke bar: "Give me tiiiiiime Posted by: Sean M. on July 8, 2005 05:50 PM
Tristan, A lot of men are raped. By other men. Please cite me the numbers for vagina-to-penis woman-on-man rapes. Posted by: ace on July 8, 2005 05:52 PM
Let's consider: Men are stronger than women. Even slight men are stronger than athletic women (or at least it's close). Even strong women are more subject to physical injury than men, having to do with female physignomy. Like, for example-- their necks are weaker and more easily broken. Women can pretty much get laid with skillful come-on lines like "Hello" or "Can you point out the nearest burrito place?" Men need to have some sort of sexual interest to maintain an erect penis. Tough to do with a gun pointed at your temple or a knife pressing at your throat. Women are simply not involved in many sex-crimes at all. The numbers are not trivial. But they are DWARFED by the number of men committing sex-crimes. Finally: It's just fuckin' stupid. Has there EVER been a man forcibly raped, genital-to-genital, by a woman? It's a big world and we've had a lot of history, so I'd say "Yes." How often does this happen? I'm guessing "Not very often at all." Posted by: ace on July 8, 2005 05:57 PM
"Women are simply not involved in many sex-crimes at all. The numbers are not trivial." The numbers are trivial, Ace. They only even barely approach statistical significance if you count statutory rape (which would be silly) and female/female rape, the latter of which exists as a social phenomenon only within a rather tightly defined demographic (certain types of gangs, which only exist in certain areas, among certain age groups, and in certain areas). Women as a group simply do not commit sex crimes, and certainly not against men. As you've pointed out, the idea is ridiculous, but I'll add that the evidence is nonexistent. Posted by: Megan on July 8, 2005 06:02 PM
Just got out of a meeting - discussing a system failure that hit us hard yesterday. Several groups scrambling for cover, there was more finger-pointin goin on in there than Sally Struthers in a donut shop. Posted by: Dave in Texas on July 8, 2005 06:06 PM
Guys in the porno industry (not that i'm one of them, unfortunatly) sometimes have a hard time keeping an erection during a scene because of the stress caused by having a dozen people all around him pointing lights and shit. Posted by: madne0 on July 8, 2005 06:06 PM
Ace: 1. You're always first in my book. :p 2. Contrary to his initial statement, Sullivan wasn't dismissive of the allegations of mistreatment, he was endorsing it. 3. I don't think the lady soldier was having sex to, you know, get her rocks off. No, our brave Pvt. Kasabah, fell on Neisef's sword, so to speak, to make him talk. If you could prevent another 911, wouldn't you do the same? Posted by: on July 8, 2005 06:09 PM
She fucked him to "get him to talk"? What did she want him to say? She wanted him to call her "pookie-schmookie"? Posted by: ace on July 8, 2005 06:13 PM
The Mercurial Marionette? Damn ACE that's good! Even better than Dr. Strumpetstockings! Who needs to read the rest? Are you really on fire or is this "the dreaded P word" i.e., plagurism? Posted by: wretched refuse on July 8, 2005 06:16 PM
O.T. I think I just heard Hugh Hewitt say he will have tom Oliphant on his radio show next hour. Hmmm. I hope he doesn't hold back. There is the anti- We're Sorry website to leave messages. It's -- We Are Not Afraid something. I didn't get the whole name/address. Posted by: on July 8, 2005 06:17 PM
Martinet, not marionette. Not plagiarism. All this stupid moroncrap comes straight out of my stupid moronbrain. Posted by: ace on July 8, 2005 06:18 PM
What did she want him to say? She wanted him to call her "pookie-schmookie"? Wow, is that what you like to be called? Posted by: on July 8, 2005 06:20 PM
Women can pretty much get laid with skillful come-on lines like "Hello" or "Can you point out the nearest burrito place?"Funny cuz it's true. Posted by: fat kid on July 8, 2005 06:23 PM
the author of this blog should seek inpatient mental health care. Posted by: on July 8, 2005 06:33 PM
Ya suppose ol' Dandy Andy would have been filled with such turgid remorse and tumescent guilt if it had been two women holding him down and a man doing the raping? "Is that a jackboot up my ass or are you just happy to see me?" Posted by: johnd01 on July 8, 2005 06:37 PM
Why even bother with the rantings of Sully? He's jumped the shark over a year ago and should be GAZED. Well, at least until he has to run his next bandwidth begathon - then we should just ridicule the fact that $125K - $150K annually is needed for his bandwidth. Poor Sully, my guess is he is finding out how many people really have changed their position on him. No Cha-ching! Posted by: Athos on July 8, 2005 06:56 PM
Clearly Neisef was scared stiff. Tob Posted by: toby928 on July 8, 2005 07:34 PM
hey OT guy - Hewitt had an excerpt of an exchange between Ron Reagan and Hitchens. Ole' Ronny gets a verbal pantsing from CH that's just terrific. If you're interested the transcript is at http://www.radioblogger.com/. Posted by: rakmjn1 on July 8, 2005 08:57 PM
Thanks. I heard it a few times already. It certainly is worth listening to again. I may copy the transcript just for the slapdown lesson. Done! I copied it into my "Asshats" folder. Hewitt seemed to think Oliphant had backed off from the interview he gave yesterday to Air America. He's got to be kidding! I hear these guys go on different shows and they always adapt their tone to the audience. You will listen to some msm talking head and they will sound almost reasonable. Then you hear them the next day when they are on their home turf, and they're back to being asshats. Posted by: on July 8, 2005 09:29 PM
Is that a Compassionate Head-Tilt I see? All the assclown needs now is a "We're Sorry, World" sign. Posted by: Paul Zrimsek on July 8, 2005 09:36 PM
I hear these guys go on different shows and they always adapt their tone to the audience. This is why the Republican Party should take some of the money out of their big vault and start a Lefty Cable Channel. Let them get comfortable, chatting amongst their own, let their hair down and really say what's on their minds, in front of a national audience. "I really think Castro has been unfairly demonized..." Teresa would make a superb talk show hostess. SIGH Posted by: lauraw on July 8, 2005 10:18 PM
That was fucking gold. Thank you. Posted by: The Ugly American on July 8, 2005 10:38 PM
Hitchens can be an ass (especially when speaking ill of the dead--Reagan, John Paul II, Mother Theresa, etc.) but when he's on fire, he's On. F'n. Fire. Posted by: Sean M. on July 8, 2005 10:58 PM
Jeez, Ace, you nearly caused me to pee myself with that one. Mallory cheesecake and a Sully ass-whooping on the same day. It doesn't get much better. Posted by: Laddy on July 8, 2005 11:10 PM
Okay, totally off topic - but how is it possible that NOBODY is talking about Fantastic 4? RUN, do not walk to your car, ignore all stop signs, red lights, women pushing baby strollers crossing the street, etc. and get your butt in a theater to see this film. Why are you still reading this? GO! Posted by: Enas Yorl on July 9, 2005 02:04 AM
how is it possible that NOBODY is talking about Fantastic 4? Because we're not 12-14 y/o white boys. Posted by: on July 9, 2005 02:08 AM
Then why was everybody worked up over Batman Begins? I'm skipping the F4 movie because of the lackluster reveiws I've seen. I'll wait for DVD. 37 y/o non-white boy Posted by: on July 9, 2005 02:12 AM
Then why was everybody worked up over Batman Begins? Because they still think they are 12-14 y/o white boys. Really, one more movie based on a comic book or based on a remake of a television show and I blow my brains out. Posted by: on July 9, 2005 02:47 AM
Heh. Damn good. Loved it. Posted by: rdbrewer on July 9, 2005 03:59 AM
Uhh, OK non-identifying poster, the Dukes of Hazard movie comes out soon - when it does, insert gun into mouth and pull trigger please. If at first you don't succeed, try and try again. Oh, and just to increase your brain-blowing-out probability: X-Men 3 will be out this Fall, AND there are plans for Spiderman 3, AND there is a Superman movie in the works, AND all the (principle) people involved in Batman Begins are signed on to 2 more movies like the one we just got, AND a whole slew of other comic book based movies are in the works. Fantastic 4 WILL have a sequel, I promise you that. Please make sure you have enough bullets in the magazine to accomplish the job. Thank you. I don't give a shit about "professional" movie reviewers, and their opinions don't figure at all in the selection of movies that I see. I do, however, take into consideration other opinions that I have come to respect - that being the author of this blog and some of my Fellow Travelers in the comments section. As such, I've decided that many of us have similar tastes and I'm heartily recommending this movie because I really think that it would appeal to them. My $.02 Posted by: Enas Yorl on July 9, 2005 04:07 AM
Back on the original topic, there have been reports of coercive tactics long before Abu Ghraib. Here's one by Phillipe du Croy in Volokh: Posted by: Cory on July 9, 2005 06:06 AM
FYI - video of RRjr and Hitchens is up on Instapundit (via Political Teen) - Reagan's a disgrace. Dumb question but is Ronnie a leftist or does he hate Bush for familial reasons? Posted by: rakmjn1 on July 9, 2005 03:19 PM
Enas: Thanks for providing the proof that you are really a 12- 14 y/o white boy. Posted by: on July 9, 2005 03:44 PM
. . . is Ronnie a leftist or does he hate Bush for familial reasons? He is a leftist. Posted by: on July 9, 2005 03:46 PM
Totally anecdotal: I've worked at a DA office for seven years. We've had women defendants who are: murderers, thieves, spousal abusers, child abusers, gangbangers, child molesters (of both genders, including a few female teacher defendants who have 'seduced' their male or female students), drug dealers, etc ... but I have never seen a case of an adult female defendant charged with the genital to genital rape of an adult male. Posted by: Darleen on July 9, 2005 09:13 PM
There was one in Utah(?) a few years back. Involved kidnapping an ex-boyfriend. Seems like she drugged him and tied him up. It's the only case I've ever heard of though. Posted by: digitalbrownshirt on July 9, 2005 09:27 PM
Wow, I just returned from a two week stint in the boundary waters and what do I find? Ace so hot he is smoking. Unfortunately, I was one of the smucks who forked over dough to the Liberal transvestite a few years back. He even posted my farewell email with a response on his site. As I said then, “face it Andrew, you’re a one trick pony. Allah your humble servant begs forgiveness for supporting the excitable one. Please shower me with aggressive male raping virgins as my punishment. P.S. Ace, looks like I’m getting a shirt out of the power line guys. Why don’t you check out there vender? Rusty Posted by: Rusty Wilson on July 11, 2005 11:11 AM
Andrew who? Posted by: Rich on July 11, 2005 12:51 PM
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