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March 02, 2005

Did the Left's Paradigm Shifting All Begin With Bill Maher?

Just after the State of the Union and the Iraqi elections, I caught a Hardball interview with Bill Maher that I had always meant to transcribe. I never got around to it, until last night.

Bill Maher isn't funny, and he's a shamelessly partisan hack, but he does occasionally call bullshit on the excesses of the left. He serves usefully, once in a while, as a canary in the coal mine of leftist lunacy.

And he seemed to be reconsidering the Iraq War as far back as February fourth.

Regarding Bush's SOTU, he said:

What I was more interested in was the shout-out to Saudi Arabia and Egypt, I thought that, I was way surprised by that, and I applaud that. I mean that's good to give both guys a little nudge.

Chris Matthews then ponders how difficult it is to tell the sons of Arab despots that their oldest sons can't simply succeed them as rulers, given that Bush succeeded his father. Except, of course, he didn't; there was a President named Clinton between them, and except for the fact that Bush was elected twice and did not "succeed" his President-King dad, a fact apparently forgotten by Matthews, or possibly challenged by him as being a fact at all.

At any rate, that idiocy out of the way, Matthews then asks, "But are you willing to give the President a modest asalute for the success of the [Iraqi elections on January 30]?" To which Maher answers:

Absolutely. And I think he did the right thing by sticking to the election ddate, because postponing it wasn't going to help.

And I think some of his sentimental rhetoric [about freedom] was borne out. I mean people really do want a different way of life there.

I think a lot of us forgot when we went into Iraq that Iraq was not a backwater like Afghanistan, not a country that was recently in the Middle Ages like Saudi Arabia. They picked Iraq, of course they lied to get us there...

See the below post on Jon Stewart's whine for an answer to that bit of kneejerk hackery.

...because [Iraq does] have a middle class society. And Baghdad could be Beirut. Beirut was known as the Paris of the Middle East before the civil war. Cairo, I think the people in Cairo, Egypt, are looking at that election and go, "Wow! How bad are we doing now?! Iraq has pased us. Now they're having a real elections; we don't have one yet."

I think places like Teheran, even, in Iran, if you got rid of the mullahs, Baghdad, Cairo, these are cities that really could be European cities. [Cities that] hat really coud be someplace that would change the world.

Two points:

Why does Bill Maher feel he has to tell us which countries Teheran and Cairo are located in?

And he pronounces "mullahs" as "Moolahs," which Bush just took some ribbing for by the left. I doubt they'll nail Maher on his similar mispronunciation.

He concludes with the standard disclaimer:

However, having said that, I don't think it's necessarily true that this election over in Iraq has achieved the goal that we're all looking for, which is to make us safer.

Little bonus: After the break, Chris Matthews noted that the Iraqis had to dip a finger in indelible ink to prove they had only voted once, and they had to show ID. He wondered why we didn't have the same system in the US, to keep people from voting multiple times in the cities.

Maher and Matthews remain jackasses, but give Maher credit for at least admitting the possibility that the elections in Iraq could change the political dynamic throughout the Middle East-- and for doing so well before Thomas Friedman told him it was now officially Safe and Socially Acceptable to admit this.


posted by Ace at 02:43 PM
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While Baghdad, Cairo, and Tehran could be "European" cities, the way population trends are going, Paris, Brussels, and Rome could be Arab ones!

Just curious, do you think that an Arab or Iranian could claim justifiable homicide if he kills you for calling him "French?" LOL

Posted by: Ron on March 2, 2005 02:50 PM

It starts with the grudging acceptance of reality. In ten years the libs will be taking credit for winning the war on terror, just like they try to take credit for the fall of communism, if they admit there was a conflict with the reds in the first place.

Now all we need is for some Syrian dissident to say where the Iraqi WMDs are hidden in Syria, and we'll have a hat trick.

Posted by: Iblis on March 2, 2005 02:59 PM

Hold on fellas. Let's not celebrate the icons of the left actually coming to their senses. Personally, I hope the Anti-Bush mindset wraps them up in mealy mouthed, half hearted 'wait-and see-ism' for as long as possible.

The Conservative cause is served by their obvious anti-democracy tinged moon-battery. And as long as it doesn't actualy affect a damn thing in the Middle east, I say speak up Michael Moore, yell a bit louder Ward Churchhill. Keep driving the center to the right. Keep telling us what we're seeing over there means nothing. Remember, Bush=Hitler. Remember, the middle east has had 'democracy' for some time. Nothing has changed. Nothing will change as long as that man is in the white house. Oh, and don't forget, It's all about the OILLLL!!!!!

Posted by: Ray Midge on March 2, 2005 03:11 PM

I watched his show on HBO last night. He is still the biggest cocksucker I can think of, but he did tell Rep Stephanie Tubbs Jones of Ohio or Jones-Tubbs whatever that stupid silly bitch from Ohio who kissed Boxers ass at the election certification vote, that she was full of shit. she was defended ward churchill and saying he was free to say what he wanted. Then Tucker Carlson, who I hate, asks if she would feel that way if he said racial slurs at black in his classes. She says it is not the same and he has free speech blah blah blah.

maher said she was full of shit and we all know she would be leading the parade to have him removed. She didn't like that at all. Tim Robbins was just watching trying to remember if he left his pocket size bong in the Green Room. Jesus he is even more stupid than Maher.

Maher always takes a step into reality and you begin to think, maybe he isn't a total ignoramus, then he says something like, "All Religion is a Neurological Disorder." He is a cocksucker and i think he meant psychological disorder as opposed to Neurological, but then again, he is pathological.

-jen

Posted by: Jennifer on March 2, 2005 05:35 PM

Ray,

I disagree.


(Shut up, he explained).

No, seriously. I'm pretty rock-ribbed myself, but an unfettered Repulican party will just turn into the Democrats of the 1970s. We NEED a viable Democratic party simply to keep power from corrupting Republicans absolutely.

Look at waht's already happened: the core philosophical tenet of the Reagan revolution (smaller gov't) has fallen by the wayside. Why? Because R's are in power.

Without an effective counterbalance, the Republican party will be headed directly down the craphole, and the conservative cause with it (since there's no home for conservatives anywhere else)

Posted by: hobgoblin on March 2, 2005 05:54 PM

Let's see. Maybe if the voters in Washington had had to go to the polls to vote, AND dip their fingers in ink, there'd be a Republican guvner there now.

Except, how do you get the graveyard voters to the polls? And would you have to assist them to dip their bony digits in the ink?

Posted by: Carlos on March 2, 2005 06:20 PM

Hob: Just wrote a long comment wherein I mockingly used some antiBush rhetoric and the screener forbade it!

Anyway. The short of it was I agree with what you are saying, but as a dreamer, I think the democratic party could go away and the major divide in our country could become that which exists between lib rep. and conservative rep. That there are a number of Dem's who are really lib. republicans but, for personal reasons, can't bring themselves to switch. The far left can drive them from their party though. They aren't going to want to associate with Ward Churchills forever. They are waking up and saying, Wait a sec. Is that the corner I've backed myself into? Poo-pooing fledgling democratic movements? A lot of people waking up. If those lib dems do, then the Dem party is done. The political force of the U.S. Communist Party (with no small overlap either). Just a dream. Sigh.

(btw, thanks for your kinds words re my comment here yesterday. tried to send you a thank you email, but it came back undelivered.)

Posted by: Ray Midge on March 2, 2005 07:30 PM

Jen,

I agree, and I loved that bit with Carlson and Tubbs or whoever she was.

PS, I think -- and I mean this in a very good way -- that I haven't ever met a chick so cool with casually dropping the word "cocksucker."

Outside of Deadwood, I mean.

Posted by: ace on March 2, 2005 08:16 PM

I think Moolah is the correct pronunciation and didn't understand what people were complaining about when the president said it. Does anybody know for sure?

Posted by: gail on March 2, 2005 11:18 PM
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