Classic liberalism
Stall, Dodge, and blame the other guy.
Clinton to Rather: "You have learneed well, Grasshopper."

Anyone taking bets how quick we see the results of thier review?

You ass! They *knew* these things were total crap *before* they went to air with them.

I hope CBS gets treated like the POS it is and has been by the GOP. Moonbats want to scream about Foxnews, but Foxnews hasn't forged their stories.

What would have happened if these things *had* been typed?! On ANY typewriter??

How many times have they done this already?

My take:

Where is the Transparency? Crisis of Integrity Continues at CBS

http://www.corante.com/importance/archives/006197.php

Just to be fair. I have to say that the local station manager for CBS here in Tallahassee has been more than civil. He has been a good sport about the whole deal.

I've seen the same thing said on other blogs about other local station managers. I hope that Ace and everyone else calling for the boycott will also issue an all clear when this is over that reminds everyone that a good number of the local CBS guys are just good hardworking businessmen.

At the same time, I shot him another email tonight saying that I was standing by my boycott.

Having just seen Dan's story lead-in, I'm ready to boycott oxygen if it'll get him off the air. Has he no idea how downright insulting he is to the intelligence of his audience?

I'm boycotting to get Rather off the air. I don't believe anything the MSM tells me anymore. I seek "pajama-people" for my truth. My tribe!!!!!

This is outrageous!!!

Are they going to get away with this??

Do they think we're stupid??
They have to think we're stupid, otherwise they would a least have the decency of doing a proper forgery, for chrissakes!!

And what the hell! are they going to put on 60 minutes tonight?
The only thing I'm willing to accept is Dan Rather's head on a plate!!

NOW!

Emily Will just said on Hardball she received two documents, one of which appeared on 60 Minutes II and one that did not. Transcripts take a while to go up on MSNBC's website so you may want to watch the repeat--roughly 16-22 minutes into the show.

They definitely had all six before going to air. That confirms it.

Ace, you're the f-n man!!

Plan B is in full effect. Juan Williams was just beside himself as to what a distraction this whole "forgery" thinga-ma-bobby is from the real question of WHY BUSH DIDN'T TAKE HIS PHYSICAL.

Hume interrupted and said "Well the president's already explained that...no planes in Alabama, wouldn't be flying, all that"

Juan: "But he was ORDERED TO!"

Brit, et al :"The order was in the forged document, remember?"

Juan: "Well that doesn't mean there isn't some paper somewhere with it!"

Yup, next thing you know they'll be interviewing psychics to channel Killian and ask him for THE TRUTH! And for the record orders are usually their own piece of paper Juan, they don't just scribble them on a napkin or write them on the back of a business card (or type them in a "memo")

The documents are likely forgeries... the matter should certainly be pursued and the perps prosecuted. The rest of the noise on this blog is sound and fury signifying nothing but wingnut desire to distract from the fact that it is almost certainly true that BUSH DID NOT FUFILL HIS OBLIGATIONS to the TANG, was certainly given PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT in being assigned there in the first place.

But from a purely partisan standpoint, I can understand your celebration - this stinks to high heaven and has hurt CBS and by extension the Dems. I wonder whose really responsible. Hmmmm

Rave on.

Ace: I think it's time to begin doing some more straight journalism. What if you, Bill at INDC, Allah, Charles at LGF, the Powerline guys, and Glenn just create a pdf containing the memos and the whole case against them (citations and credentials included) and send it to every major news orginization and all the documentation/typography/handwriting analysis associations you can find listed and ask the experts to look over the case and respond with a yes, no, or I don't know. Build your own expert consensus and then present it to the MSM. It seems like a lot of work, but you guys could probably have it done in a day or two. Whaddaya think?

Rashomon: There is no evidence to suggest that George Bush did not fulfill his obligations in the TXANG. If you have some I'd like to see it. Also the only evidence of preferential treatment is Ben Barnes, a Kerry fundraiser who's daughter has testified to the fact that her father told her he was going to lie. If you have other evidence I'd like to see that as well.

Rashomon,

One piece of evidence please, just one.

That's all I want.

One solid, non-forged piece of evidence.

Not hearsay, evidence.

This is incredible! The Middle East hs Al Jeezra and we have thier sister network CBS News, both with the same agenda . . . to bring down a sitting president.

Kerry Is Unelectable:

I wouldn't "like" to see his evidence, I fucking DEMAND it. I'm sick of these silly hit-and-run comments from Kool-Aid drinkers who never come back to defend their baseless accusations.

That's right, Rashomon. One night, the Holy Trinity of Rove, Cheney and Ashcroft, whilst drinking the blood of puppies, came up with a way to trick Dan Rather into manufacturing a story to hurt Bush.

Next up for the Right Wing Conspiracy hit squad: Funneling money to Michael Moore to fund one of his truth-challenged anti-Bush propaganda films.

I wonder whose really responsible. Hmmmm

Doesn't make a fucking bit of difference. CBS 1) ran with bogus documents without due dilligence, 2) and all because they wanted the dirt on Dubyah.

1) Journalistic Integrity my fat white ass.

2) THAT Liberal media bias.

Loose Shit. Where's Joe?

There's some houston owner of two radio stations who says he'll dump CBS news unless rather is fired and the network comes clean on the issue by monday.

Probably the Houston guy to whom you refer is Dan Patrick. A bit of a whack job but a loyal right-winger (I don't mean this pejoratively). He is also mad at O'Reilly right now for not being madder at rather and for some feud between O'Reilly and Savage.

"the fact that it is almost certainly true"

Fact? ALMOST certainly true? Cognitive dissonance much?

"that BUSH DID NOT FUFILL HIS OBLIGATIONS to the TANG,"

Prove it. And oh yeah, not with Word 97 docs.

"was certainly given PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT in being assigned there in the first place."

SO THE FUCK WHAT?

While channel flipping, I watched O'Reilly for a bit.

Thing I noticed is that rather than actually dealing with the facts, he just keeps saying they're charges by the "far right" or the "ultra far right".

I guess everyone finding any problems with the memos must be part of the ultra far right conspiracy.

Oh yeah...I saw Dan Rather's interview thing on CBS news at 5 (Pacific), just right now. Is it just me, or did he look down a lot while saying the memos are true, but not at other times? I don't have a video to go check though...I don't really know how to do that.

Hey! Hey! Drudge has the full press release up now. Apparently that little paragraph from Heyward was just a taste.

They're digging into their hunker-bunker.

Rarrr!

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash4.htm

Dan just made the classic liberal argument on 60 MIN II... "I KNOW it to be true, therefore it doesn't matter that I have no proof that it is true. Since you can't prove what I believe is wrong it MUST be the truth. The ends justifies the means."

Not surprising about O'Reilly, Chuck. For quite some time now, he's been far more concerned with his reputation as an "independent" and a "moderate" than he has about finding the truth. O'Reilly basically has two tenets by which he lives:

1. All politicians are cheats, frauds, and liars.

2. Anybody who doesn't despise all politicians is an extremist.

Although I really think it's more that he doesn't want to be seen as partisan.

Kerry is Unelectable - Your strategy of a Blogger Alliance presenting a "case closed" document to the MSM has already been done. That phase of this scandal is effectively over. The next phase is in 2 parts - the WHODUNIT quest and the keeping of pressure on CBS and their collaborators not to be able to change the subject.

ACE and others are ON THIS.

WHODUNIT - Meaning that no more "piling on proof on top of proof" that the docs are forged - as the Blogs main objective - since only a minority of morons still thinks they are real - but getting CBS and USA Today to admit they were forged - which then opens the door to them having to say who the source of the forged documents are so CBS especially is legally shielded from being a Party in election fraud. And with the source - seeing who else was in on the conspiracy. This was not just one person. Someone had to be found who could do a half-way decent handwriting forgery. Who knew who to deliver the docs to. Who paid for this effort.

Changing the Subject - That is the strategy being floated by CBS and Kerry backers. Essentially, it's "Forget whether or not the forgeries happened - the REAL issue is whether or not Bush answers the questions we have raised about his Guard service. And when Bush satisfies that, including addressing the charges contained in the fraudulent documents - THEN we can get back to the REAL ISSUES of health care and Iraq."

My own opinion is that the WHODUNIT trail must be kept hot by people locally writing their newspaper, writing their Congress Rep, and telling every friend and acquaintance that you are outraged that CBS was duped and that the people doing this forgery committed election fraud by planting fake evidence - as bad as cops planting false evidence with a suspect to railroad him.

My own opinion with the "time to drop this minor document flap/put the onus on Bush to answer all the questions the fake memos raised/time to moveon to more important matters like Ivan cleanup and job growth rates - is that is bullshit. Bullshit as a strategy. The Bushies will stay clear of this and let the media take their shot at self-correction, hope Viacom wants this over, but trust me - they are right now weighing coming in with guns blazing saying that a serious attempt to subvert democracy by election fraud has occurred - and they want AMERICA to get to the bottom of it for the benefit of voters.

Oh wait, here's the whole statement straight from the horse's ass: http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/cbsstatement.pdf

Cache now!

People, call CBS! They answer their phones:

CBS Evening News
212 975-3691 and 202 457-4385
fax 212 975-1893
fax 212-975-1998
evening@cbsnews.com
Executive Producer: Jim Murphy
Senior Producers: Susan Bean, Ingrid Matthews

Dan Rather
212 975-3691

Senior Broadcast Producer: Lynne Pitts
212 975-2258

60 Minutes II
212 975-6200
60II@cbsnews.com
Executive Producer Jeffrey Fager

CBS Administration:

CEO of CBS: Mel Karmazin 212 975-4321
President CBS Television: Leslie Moonves 323 575-2345
CBS News President: Andrew Heyward 212 975-7825, ajh@cbs.com
Senior VP Marcy McGinnis 212 975-5007, mam@cbs.com

CBS now stands for Complete BullShit!

Called and emailed my local affiliate. Everyone make sure to do the same.

Brian B: You are right. My statement was poorly worded. It was meant to convey my personal conviction rather than fact. I do not have the incontrovertible evidence that he did not fufill his duty.

I have a question for you all: Why did the White House release those documents? Why did Scott McClellan say

We had every reason to believe that they were authentic at that time.

Link

may be complete bs, but I would say it now stands for Communicating Bull Shit

I've done a fisking of CBS's longer statement here:
http://www.corante.com/importance/archives/006199.php

Just saw Laura Ingraham on O'Reilly. She did a great job. I too have been getting tired of O'Reilly's "middle-of-road", "both sides are equally bad" approach. Gee, which party chief said the other was AWOL and lied to the American people?

Anyhow, she did a great job, was very eloquent, very passionate, and said pretty much everything I would have said to him. What a catch she'll make for some lucky guy.

One thing that they can never accuse Bush of doing is conspiring with the enemy while still in the military.

I believe the other candidate, Mr. Kerry, certainly did! He was not discharged from the Navy until mid 1973, and in the years prior to his discharge in fact meet with the communism regime of Vietnam on at least two occasions. In my book, that is treason!

Where is Rather on this? Oh, that right, his nose up to far up Kerry's and DNC's ass.

I don't want to jump on a bandwagon. I don't like herd thinking, and I don't want the blogosphere to turn into angry peasants looking for monsters to burn.

But she mentions Bill O'Reilly in her column. Not in a good way.

Laura Ingraham just told Bill O'Reilly he was an idiot. Sort of. Politely. By implication.

People on Free Republic are calling for the career-destruction of Bill O'Reilly.

Look: I don't want to join a angry, senseless mob.

But is it "joining a mob" when you've had your torch and pitchfork ready for going on two years now?

Bill O'Reilly is an insufferably smug moron. He's an insufferably smug moron when he attacks the left (usually getting his facts wrong and embarassing those on the right), and he's also and insufferably smug moron when he attacks the right, which he's doing more and more frequently of late.

Personally, I get a little tired of hearing his demogogic populism, presuming to instruct me that "he's just looking out for the little folks," such as myself.

Bill: Who the fuck asked you to? And where the fuck did you get the idea that I was a peasant in need of a champion?

I've been wanting to say that for years.

More proof that viacom is absolutely destestable.
As if the garbage on MTV werent enough, now the garbage spreads to the tiffany network...Everything that viacom touches turns to crap, like Midas with a brown touch.

Viacom/CBS's stock dropped 2% today. According to the KerrySpot, the CBS affiliate stations are angry at CBS News. Keep contacting these folks with your outrage and give your support to those are helping to get out the truth.

See this link for the Top 50 Viacom/CBS shareholders:
http://www.chrismarshall.us/cbs_top_50_shareholders.txt

List of CBS Affliates:
http://www.fraterslibertas.com/Media/CBSstationcontacts.htm

Yeah, I mean come on Bill! You're "leaning"? Well gee, don't lean too hard or you may fall on your ass. What does your "independent analysis" tell you? Or, are just just unable to draw conclusions? That's what politicians do.

And I seem to remember you being pretty quick to conclude there were no WMDs in Iraq. Saddam must have gassed his people with his flatulence, I guess.

1) My math isn't that strong. What do you get when you "redouble" zero effort?

(Actually, it's worse than that - CBS's effort appears to be negatively related to informing anyone of anything true about those documents).

2) Has anyone looked into the Pierce letter?

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/pierce1.pdf

What is he talking about when he says that other contemporaneous documents had a matching typeface?

As far as O'Reily is concerned, who cares? Bill can stand by Dan all he wants, but it isn't going to save him from the whirlwind.

cedarford: If you say so, but I have yet to see the MSM report that serves as a hammer blow to Dan's suggestion that he has experts and we have experts and it's just a matter of he said/we said.

Rashomon: I'm not sure that the White House taking the word of 60 Minutes on the accuracy of their documents is proof that they agree with the assertion that CBS follows those forgeries with eg. Bush was AWOL or received special treatment. Even if we work under the (false) assumption that Killian felt pressure, it doesn't mean their was any pressure from the Bush family. But by now I'm guessing you can see my point...your question rests on our taking charges seriously which have no serious support. It's more than a hypothetical, it's the beginning of the conspiratorial.

I forgot to mention that CBS didn't run 60 Minutes II on my affiliate here in K.C. tonight.

The last person to worry this much about "redoubling our efforts" got blown up in a Death Star.

(Sorry, totally geeky Star Wars reference, but like the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man, the phrase just popped in there, I couldn't help it.).

Shit. I'd get fired for half the stuff CBS is pulling. I'd get *indicted* for the other half.

Cheers,
Dave
Garfield Ridge

This is the first CBS I totally believe.

I have absolute confidence that CBS will redouble their efforts to influence the election with fraudulent documents.

I think a boycott of CBS as a whole is doomed to failure, as it is far too unfocused a strategy. Instead, I suggest that a single show - SURVIVOR - be the target. I'm not advocating that folks swear off the show; instead, just that they absolutely avoid any and all products advertised on the show, and let the advertisers know of the decision. Even a relatively small amount of negative feedback would be enough to shake things up, and this could easily be accomplished If a website could be established to catalog each episode's advertisers and to provide the email and snail mail addresses for the same,

Here is the email I sent to 60 Minutes II:

Dear 60 Minutes II,

If someone asked what my all-time favorite TV show was, I'd answer without hesitation: 60 Minutes. I've watched it every chance I had--and frequently taped it when I hadn't--since the very beginning. I've seen the vast majority of shows you've aired. Even the repeats.

No matter what's gone on over these many years, 60 Minutes has been a constant, a staple, a pillar of America's shared culture and of my personal pursuit to be well-informed. I've disagreed with the slant of some stories but I never questioned the integrity of those producing and presenting them.

But now, after watching the Dan Rather/Mary Mapes reports on the Killian/Bush "memos" and especially CBS's stonewalling reaction to the overwhelming evidence that the documents are forged, I'm forced to conclude that CBS News and 60 Minutes have no integrity whatsoever.

The documents are crude, amateurish fakes. Your audience knows it. I know it. Why are you continuing to defend them and feebly attempting to funnel criticism into a phony discussion of whether the (also phony, sans credible corroborating evidence) allegations contained in the fake documents are "true"? If the documents are fake so are their contents. How stupid do you think your viewers are?

I am thoroughly disgusted with CBS News. I am also thoroughly disgusted with myself for thinking for so long that 60 Minutes was a show worth watching. I'm very disappointed in you. I trusted you and you totally abused that trust just to take a tiny political jab in an already-determined election cycle. Shows what you think of me, the ordinary viewer, for sure. Noted.

The question I'd like answered is: Why? Why did you do it? Why did you so completely and forever taint my favorite show? For John Kerry's floundering campaign? For Dan Rather's personal vendettas? It took seventy years to build and establish the credibility of CBS News but it took less than seven days to utterly destroy it.

In the end, was it worth it? Rather and Mapes may have gotten a couple of swing voters to go for Kerry but if so it was at grave cost to your once-great organization.

I won't be watching 60 Minutes anymore as a result of this. I guess Rather and Mapes will consider that a victory, since they've made it clear by their dishonest actions that they don't want people like me watching anyway.

Please congratulate them for me. Mission accomplished.

Sincerely,
xxxxx xxxx

Rashomon,

Brian B: You are right. My statement was poorly worded. It was meant to convey my personal conviction rather than fact. I do not have the incontrovertible evidence that he did not fufill his duty.

Then you have the right to feel that way, but unless such evidence is provided, the President has no obligation to address what are then, essentially, baseless allegations.

I have a question for you all: Why did the White House release those documents? Why did Scott McClellan say

We had every reason to believe that they were authentic at that time.

Do you think just maybe the answer lies in the preceeding sentence?

"We received those documents from a major news organization."

Context is everything.

And maybe CBS is still playing word games... They've said now that they will "redouble" their efforts to in authenticating the specious documents. Since it seems obvious that their initial effort was something my math prof would have characterized as "vanishingly small", then doubling, redoubling, or even a hundred-fold increase in their authentication effort still amounts to a big fat ZERO.