May the reader's favorite deity forgive me, but I pretty much stopped giving a rat's ass about his perjury when he lost his license to practice law, and then tubed Gore's chances at surpassing his own Peter Principle level.

I look at Clinton as a curmudgeonly schmuck, the ultimate Bubba, who could have and should have done a better job, given his talents. And while he's probably apologized to the small group of people he wronged with his randiness, he was dragged through some dirt for his perjury, with the added benefit of becoming a show-stopper for Gore, and thus that debt is paid.

He'll pile up more debts, and those will be interesting. But the perjury isn't any longer.

When you don't believe in anything that lifts your spirit; something greater than you, all you've got left are cheap thrills and titilation.

Ace, consider yourself lucky that you think the Rule of Law and the principles of honesty are more important than the actual actions of any individual. It shows you'll never win the Bill Clinton Award yourself.

It's been said for a while that the Left has lost their hope for a better future, and only wants to drag the rest of us down with them. For them, it is all about the sex, because that's all they can feel. The animal thrill is the only thing which touches them, and the higher concepts are lost on them. They think it's all about the sex because of a failure of the imagination.

Well Ace, I certainly agree with most of your perspective. But I can't exactly say the sex had nothing to do with me and was none of my business. Because, you see, Billy was working for me at the time and I was paying his salary. And he did it in an office building I paid for. He most certainly owed me more than an apology and I reserve the right to fume about that part all I'd like. High Crime and Misdemeanor? No. Worthy of hijacking a presidency? No - it should be noted on top of the stack of other Things That Made Billy Shameful, then we move on.

After that... the lying and lawbreaking are a whole other subject, and I'm with you. But in the end, I don't tell my kids Clinton was a bad president only because he lied and broke the law. I tell them he was a lying pervert.

Did he address the pardons of drug dealers and particularly Marc Rich, who arranged circular schemes which enriched him and put weapons in the hands of our enemies?

Did he say anything about he and Hillary looting the White House of public treasures and then having to be compelled to return things by the public outcry?

Sorry. Still mad at the guy- actually, he is one reason I turned from Lib to Conservative. So maybe I should thank him for his stupidity, like Ace says; if it weren't for his F-ups, Gore might well be the president (shudder).

Like you, I watched Clinton's disgraceful acceptance of responsibility for the Lewinsky Scandal last night on 60 Minutes. He did not try to lie his way out of it or blame it on an underling. It's as if he believes that it's acceptable for a President to admit to making mistakes.

If Our Leader George W. Bush Jr. had been in Clinton's position, he'd have done the honorable thing and blamed the White House cigar provisioner. He'd do so with the knowledge that today, Rush would back him up by railing against tobacconists, O'Reilly would be calling for a boycott of wrapper leaf from the Dominican Republic, and Coulter would have killed some elderly Cuban cigar roller in Tampa with a homemade shiv. By next week, no patriotic American would dare voice the slightest doubt about presidential infallibility. That's Bush Era leadership--the kind of leadership we missed during the Clinton years.

Ace,

As you know, I frequently agree with you. But I disagree with your categorical statement that the Lewinski scandal was all about the perjury, and not at all about the sex. I think the perjury and obstruction of justice was the worst part of it. But the sex was a part, if only a small part, and for the same reason that perjury is so reprehensible.

Perjury is bad because it's a lie made after an express promise not to lie. It undermines everyone's confidence in the institution that administered the oath - if one person can get away with it, why not more? Infidelity is bad because (among other things) it is extra-marital sex after an express promise, before God Himself, not to have extra-marital sex.

I was not personally injured by Bill's harpooning the whale. But the whole sordid affair serves as evidence of Clinton's complete lack of integrity. It is more fuel for the fire, if you will. He lied before Congress - and that means he is not to be trusted - but he also lied to his wife, to his family, to his God, and to whatever may have remained of his conscience, and that also means he is not to be trusted.

Wow, vince. That was a comically inept post.

Update:

"Harpooning the Whale" would be a good name for a rock band.

Well Ace, I certainly agree with most of your perspective. But I can't exactly say the sex had nothing to do with me and was none of my business.

Well, I can say that.

Okay, let me rephrase that less-contentiously. Even you seem to be dancing around this admission: Perhaps there was something regarding the sex for which Bill Clinton owes us some apology, but he owes us an apology only due to a tenuous happenstance of time, place, and manner.

Because, you see, Billy was working for me at the time and I was paying his salary. And he did it in an office building I paid for.

Gingrich was working for you when he had an affair. Did he have an affair in his office? Probably not, but I'm sure he made phone calls in relation to the affair.

And the president, of course, is one of the few men in the world whose place of business is also his primary residence, and the only place on the face of the earth where he can actually have privacy from the world (and the secret service). Let's face it, he couldn't have ducked out to the Arlington-area Motel 6 for his trysts.

So yes, these may be violations of the public trust, but only of a de minimis sort.

When do men have affairs? Usually when they're working, or supposed to be working. Most affairs are with a co-worker (I've got no statistics for this, but it seems likely). Affairs are had when men are "working long hours" at the office and just "can't get home."

As you say, had he not committed crimes in relation to the affair, it wouldn't have been an impeachable offense at all.

I may have overstated it that he doesn't owe us any accounting for wasting presidential hours chasing tail. But I do consider the actual sex to be a very minor bullet-point on the case against Clinton.

Betraying a spouse is always bad (assuming he did betray her which, let's face it, most of assume he didn't). Fornication is bad, depending on one's moral or religious views.

But this is the sort of bad stuff that we as citizens usually don't get too concerned about.

For you, vince. Hope this helps.

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Again and again I find myself agreeing with you, whether it is Drudge becoming a Pat Buchannan republican, to leaving B.C. ALONE(!) to nearly everything you say about Wonkette! (I have recently noticed that that C.U. Next. Tuesday. is on NPR, and Time mag, all the while they mention the hell out of you know who, and you know who, and also ANDREW whoever, while ignoring sites with a million times the readerships, LGF, SDB G.R. and his Most Munificent. I also noticed your site, absent from Time and NPR.) I can't thank Ann Coulter enough for graciously linking to your site (when DR. [phd.]Condoleeza rice testified) and she linked to your top 10. Sinec then, my blogging habits have been inspired. If I could only stop guzzling this German beer! No wonder Joschka Fischer is so popular over here! The beer is so good, who cares who leads you so long as the beer is cheaper than the water!! Seig Heil....or whatever the commies over here are saying to each other??? Ja Comrade?! I am about to post on the simplicities of German life on my own site soon enough. Hope you will stop by again.

Another point about Clinton's Monica scandal:

Boss having an affair with young intern -- in a lot of businesses, that constitutes sexual harrassment.

"And while he's probably apologized to the small group of people he wronged with his randiness, "

I think this refers to Hillary and Chelsea. I presume you aren't including the...uhm..."recipients" of his attentions. If memory serves, quite a few claim to have been unwilling participants.