Lesson to be learned:

a) Never play with rocket launchers.

b) The middle of a road does not afford cover.

c) Don't fuck with American soldiers.

d) All of the above.

Time to crank up the Queen (just for you, Andrew Sullivan). *Thump* *thump* *thump*...

Most excellent killing of Iraqi moron!

This is off-topic, but there's a story on cnn.com right now entitled "Is the Job Market Healthy or Just Less Sick?"

The writer actually has the gall to point out the cowbell-worthy numbers (while pointing, of course, to the fact that the new jobs are shameful and humiliating jobs, rather than sleek, high-paying jobs with few hours for recent journalism graduates who spent four years at undergrad getting high and playing X-Box).

I think the key quote is "administration critics are not impressed." Gasp! If GWB started pooping gold and handing it out to minorities and Somali orphans, they still wouldn't be impressed. Nothing impresses an administration critic. What impresses me, however, is that the media have finally started mentioning the cowbell (even while pointing out how it doesn't count, or at least it shouldn't count for W).

Not to be a bitch, but there's really nothing "excellent" about a guy getting hosed by rifle fire. I'm not going to lose sleep over it, but crowing over some damnfool getting shot to death just ain't that classy, folks.

sorry BRD, but it is always most excellent to see an enemy lit up>one less moron to light your guys up. The only thing better would be seeing them wasted in numbers the mind cannot comprehend, the old "stacked like cordwood" simily. If one muses on the big moral debates one is dead. So I'm am sorry you don't agree but that was a most excellent killing of an Iraqi moron and the US soldiers he had decided to kill that day get to go home. My only question is why were there no snipers to take out anyone who came to his aid? And he also was not "hosed". That was supreme fire discipline, it looks like he was hit by three rounds and once he was down, firing ceased. "Hosing" is a whole different bundle of laundry and has it's place if fire suppresion is your objective.

It's true that there's nothing joyful about someone having to die. In fact, it's downright depressing that this stuff has to happen. But this man chose the course of life that led to this end and he bears the responsibility for it.

It's gruesome and unfortunate, but he caused it, and he died quick.

I only saw two shots.

Rivet, perhaps I've failed to communicate my point effectively.

There's nothing particularly joyful in someone getting shot and killed. Full stop.

I don't lament his death, and I'm not a big quivering mass of agony over the fact. Anymore than I would be to see a boil being lanced.

Personally, I am rather glad to know that if the outcome of his actions was his imminent demise, that it was quick and none of our guys got hurt in the process (from the looks of it, he never got the round off).

But doing the happy dance over it strikes me as being in poor taste.

[NB - I apologize for the term 'hosed' as I think 'wasted' or something else would have been more appropriate. I do agree that his opponents had incredible fire discipline.]

Good use of firepower; it's a shame he had to die but it beat all the alternatives; full stop.

About right, BRD? If so, we agree.

Patton,

Roger that.

If BRD is a military man, I wouldn't want to question him too much on this issue.

But from my point of view, I'm happy the man is dead. I'm happy when all of our enemies are killed. I don't see why I should pretend otherwise.

I suppose from a purely social-convention perspective one should be careful about celebrating the death of another human being. I wouldn't argue too stridently that "honesty" is the more important that a decent, if somewhat artificial, regard for human life.

Still, if I'm being honest, I'm glad he's dead, and I'm glad every time more people like him share in his fate.

If I'm forced to, I'll preface that with the usual I'm-sorry-it's-come-to-this caveats. And I guess I am sorry that it's come to this.

But it has come to this, and I don't see anything especially outrageous about proclaiming that, in all honesty, the world is a better place because this man was killed.

Ace:

I think that's a sentiment generally shared. But there's a line between being happy that "an emeny who wanted to kill our troops has died" and being happy that "that particular misguided and worthless piece of crap" is dead.

I think there is, anyway. As a result, I try very hard to separate him from the bucket of bastards from which he emanated. Sometimes, I even succeed.

I love this thread on so many levels. Most of all because so many liberals would find so utterly disgusting the fact that we're debating the meaning of decency at a level of which they have no comprehension.

What the hell are you idiots moralizing over this? It was funny as hell, be honest! Did you see "Who farted look?" in the Muj's face before the last round plinks him in the head? Priceless! Chalk up one more happy client to the Ft. LeJune "72 Virgins Dating Service"!

I don´t like the idea of us gaping at those pictures. It makes mee feel like being something like the western right-wing version of the people in iraq jumping and cheering on burnt out cars and celebrating the death of the people inside.
Of course, the differnce is quite clear. This person was not innocent at all, he tried to kill american soldiers and it´s a good thing he wasn´t able to succeed.
But i think there´s no way to justify celebrating his death.
It makes me feel kind of uneasy that there are so many people around here who don´t seem to have any problem with this...

"Pour some SUGAH on MEEEAAAHH!"
Rock on...that was some dead nuts shootin'.
Looks like he got him right in the 10 circle.

I look at it this way:

1. From a human perspective it's a shame when any human being gets his/her life cut short.

2. The U.S. is at war.

3. The duty of a soldier in a war is to kill the enemy.

4. I'm an American.

5. I'm proud to be an American and proud of what this country stands for.

6. As an American I hate to see any of our soldiers die, but I honor the ones that give the ultimate sacrifice.

7. In this particular war, the enemy can ONLY win by demoralizing the population of America to such an extent that it chooses to withdraw.

8. Because of 7., all US citizens really are part of the fight even though we're not in uniform and carrying weapons. Our role to to be steadfast and show both our country, the enemy, and the world that we know we can win and that we have the courage to stay in the fight.

9. As an American, in spite of point 1., because of points 2. through 8., I've got no problem watching the video and though I won't dance over the fact that a human being died, I will celebrate the fact that there is now one less person shooting at our armed forces. I will celebrate the fact that there is one less person disrupting the transition. I will celebrate the fact that the enemy can also see a video of just how effectively our armed forces can kill and hope that it will scare the crap out of them. I will celebrate the fact that we are one dead terrorist closer to winning the war.

I think a few Patton quotes might be in order as well:

"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't."

"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."

"There is only one tactical principle which is not subject to change. It is to use the means at hand to inflict the maximum amount of wound, death, and destruction on the enemy in the minimum amount of time."

That was me above.

I guess I think it's much like cutting out a tumor.

Kind of sucks the tumor was there to begin with, glad its gone, but doing an end-zone dance over a now inert mass of tissue is just goofy.

How sure are we that this is an American doing the shooting? All we hear is Arabic in the sound, and after it's done, we see some guys in street clothes(obviously Arabic) walking towards the corpse in the street. While all we see is their backs, the way they walk indicate that they're carrying rifles.

It makes me feel kind of uneasy that there are so many people around here who don´t seem to have any problem with this...

Have you fricking got your fingers in your ears? What the hell have we just spent 2 days talking about? Geez.

xoxotl, you sure that's arabic being spoken? sounds like the voice-over is in spanish or some other European language to me.

Xoxoti....

First off, if you listen closley, the rounds being fired are being fired from a Belgian-made SAW. Secondly, it was a tight semi-automatic three-round burst, which shows supreme fire-control.

The first round hits the Muj in the upper left chest, hence spinning him towards the camera, the seond round lands off to the Muj's right, and slightly behind him; indicating the firer had still not re-adjusted his sighting. In the split-second after the second round, the firer re-adjusts to the targets movemnt, and hit's the Muj in the neck, just below the jaw line.

Towel-heads don't shot that well, that was EX-CELL-ENT Kentucky Windage.

Secondly, the footage was bought from a Free-lancer by Spanish TV, you can see the water-mark in the lower right side.

So you're saying the bullet exited from his back left shoulder area, stopped in mid-air, executed a 90 degree turn, hit the roadway, making another 90 turn before passing through MickyD's for an Egg McMuffin and a decaf?

There were two shots. You were hearing echoes of the reports. A three round burst is almost a constant zip. These shots were fired individually.

Looked like he was being lit up from behind, somewhere to the right of the cameraman, rather than from the front. Shit, if I was the cameraman and the rounds were coming from in front, I'd be on the ground 'cause it looks like a clusterfuck crossfire to me. I concur on the two three-round bursts. I don't have enough experience to discern the type of weapon from its sound. That estimate comes from the video, as too much echo makes it hard to count shots. Two nice, tight groups, tho. If you watch his arm fold up from impact, it definitely folds away from the camera, which suggests it came form behind. Him falling backwards from the initial hit is more a neurological, shock-related reaction rather than being pushed by a bullet. You get shot while in an odd position, you're gonna want to sit down, nice and comfy, and think about the situation for a moment. Notice when he gets hit in the head, it doesn't move an inch--he just drops straight down. So much for the Kennedy conspirators. And this wasn't a skimming strike... it went in his ear, so it traveled the full width of his head, therefore it had the chance to dump as much energy as possible.

good shooting... any hajji who sits in the middle of the road to shoot deserves to get 'hosed'... i wonder why the fcuking spanish journalists were on the other side filming...

I think the cameramen and the other guys w/ guns are behind some obstacle, a wall or something. They don't go too far forward and they're just standing there as opposed to hitting the deck. If you're not behind some kind of cover you're gonna be on the ground or running away.

How sure are we that this is an American doing the shooting? All we hear is Arabic in the sound, and after it's done, we see some guys in street clothes(obviously Arabic) walking towards the corpse in the street.

These blast points are too accurate for Sandpeople; only imperial stormtroopers are so precise.

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Cyaaa

For those who liked this...there are some great 'links' of dead sons of american bitches. The Iraqi at least was fighting for his freedom, americans are too cowardly to understand the concept any more.

Why not actually fight like men, at least the dead Iraqi wasnt a coward hiding behind machines? Forgotten what it really means to fight for freedom, rather than be told by a bunch of jews what to do, how to think and who to kill?

You guys are pathetic, you are loosing and your 'leaders' wont even tell untill its too late to do any thing but whine about it like you did in Vietnam...gutless bastards.

Some piece of shit said "I'm proud of being an American and what we stand for"... what the hell are you proud of moron? Killing women and children in the name of 'freedom', occupying other countries to 'liberate' them? Or are you too stupid to figure out what your so called troops are really doing in Iraq?

Fighting for freedom, my ass. You brain dead scum deserve the pathetic state your country is getting into... and its only going to get worse so better learn to deal with it. And while youre at it you might as well learn Chinese or maybe Hindi, at least you'll be able to get a job in the future.

Only morons look for a "fair fight".