Why do we have to numb everything we don't like in life? Our memories, even the painful ones, make us who we are.

If they need test subjects...may I recommend the entire Democratic wing of the Senate Judiciary Committee, each and every one of whom is going to have a "traumatic experience" the minute Alito gets confirmed.

Might want to warn Kennedy if the drug reacts badly with alcohol. Then again, might not...

...may I recommend the entire Democratic wing of the Senate Judiciary Committee, each and every one of whom is going to have a "traumatic experience" the minute Alito gets confirmed.

And the entire liberal consituency, so they can finally come to grips with the results of the 2000 and 2004 elections.

I'll need some of those pills after reading your post and comments here. Maybe need to edit the last 50 or so comments - however, considering the subject, maybe leaving them in is even funnier!

One for 1978, one for 1983, and a bunch for 1992-2005.

Dude, you're screwed up.

I just need one for 1952-2006.

Ace,

It's time to heal. Share your pain with us. Share it! And then we'll see about finding this Shakare place.

And the entire liberal consituency, so they can finally come to grips with the results of the 2000 and 2004 elections.

And the entire conservative constituency, so they can come to grips with the fact that a majority of Americans support IMPEACHING the worst president ever. Support for impeaching Bush is significantly HIGHER than it ever was for impeaching Clinton. Funny what our so-called liberal media doesn't tell you, eh?

New Zogby Poll Shows Majority of Americans Support Impeaching Bush for Wiretapping

By a margin of 52% to 43%, Americans want Congress to consider impeaching President Bush if he wiretapped American citizens without a judge's approval, according to a new poll commissioned by AfterDowningStreet.org, a grassroots coalition that supports a Congressional investigation of President Bush's decision to invade Iraq in 2003.

The poll was conducted by Zogby International, the highly-regarded non-partisan polling company. The poll interviewed 1,216 U.S. adults from January 9-12.

The poll found that 52% agreed with the statement:

"If President Bush wiretapped American citizens without the approval of a judge, do you agree or disagree that Congress should consider holding him accountable through impeachment."

43% disagreed, and 6% said they didn't know or declined to answer. The poll has a +/- 2.9% margin of error.

"The American people are not buying Bush's outrageous claim that he has the power to wiretap American citizens without a warrant. Americans believe terrorism can be fought without turning our own government into Big Brother," said AfterDowningStreet.org co-founder Bob Fertik.

Recently White House spokesman Scott McClellan cited a Rasmussen poll that found 64% believe the NSA "should be allowed to intercept telephone conversations between terrorism suspects." Of course, that is exactly what Congress authorized when it created the FISA courts to issue special expedited secret warrants for terrorism suspects. But Bush defied the FISA law and authorized warrantless wiretaps of Americans, which has outraged Americans to the point that a majority believe Congress should consider Bush's impeachment.

"Bush admits he ordered illegal warantless wiretapping, but says it began in response to 9/11 and was limited to a small number of calls to or from Al Qaeda," Fertik said. "But recent reports suggest wiretapping affected a much larger number of Americans, and a report in Friday's Truthout says the wiretapping began before 9/11."

"The upcoming Senate hearings on White House wiretapping could be as dramatic as the Watergate hearings in 1973. A majority of Americans have already believe Congress should look into grounds for impeachment, yet we have only seen the tip of the iceberg in the Corporate Media. If Bush ordered warrantless wiretapping long before the terrorist attack on 9/11, then Americans will realize that George Bush came into office determined to shred the Constitution and take away our rights," Fertik said.

Go read it -- but have your pills handy.

Tubino: Fertik's words alone

"Bush admits he ordered illegal warantless wiretapping, but says it began in response to 9/11 and was limited to a small number of calls to or from Al Qaeda,"

Bush admitted no such thing, no matter how much Fertik wants that to be true and (have your pills handy) Bush is no more going to get impeached than you, afterdowningstreet.org, or democrats.com is going to get rational.

Bush admitted no such thing,

False. I heard him say it.

So you're claiming someone else is speaking as Bush in press conferences etc.?

He also said he intends to continue.

No, he probably won't get impeached -- until he has a nervous breakdown, which I can easily imagine in the next few months.

If you ever look at videotape of Bush when he was governor, he could think on his feet, was quick with a joke...

I think he actually has a medical problem now, with symptoms being... his tongue-tiedness, the hesitancy and stuttering, the peculiar lapses.

They are covering pretty well, so far, but I'd wager that situation will turn before summer. The Shi'ite burn of the Sunnis on amending the Iraq constitution is likely to keep things getting hotter there...

They have to push Iran as a diversion for the public -- even if the military and political realities mean the US isn't likely to pull an Iraq on it.

He admitted illegal wiretapping?

Quite the opposite: He pointed out that it was perfectly legal.

And, by happy coincidence, it was.

Adolfo says:

Why do we have to numb everything we don't like in life? Our memories, even the painful ones, make us who we are.

I dunno Adolfo, that's deep. But hows about we put you in combat and have a handful of your good friends' guts blown all over your face, or maybe subject you to a few rounds of violent gang rape, and then we'll talk about valued memories that make us who we are.

Hey, Tubster, keep pushing the "Bush has an illness" meme.

With any luck, we could invoke the Presidential Line of Succession and have your wettest dream become a reality:

President Dick Cheney.

Or, Bill, we could make the same exact point without sounding like a dick. Like this:

I know what you mean, Adolfo, but then consider people who suffer truly severe trauma (torture, rape, war, etcetera).

Or, Bill, we could make the same exact point without sounding like a dick.

You know, Sandy, I think I actually prefer the way Bill seems to be a bitter dude who shits all over everything. There's something reassuring about it.

Or, Bill, we could make the same exact point without sounding like a dick.

Asking Bill not to be an asshole is like asking tubino not to be a tool of his left wing masters. Some things in life just aren't meant to be.

Tubino, must you thread-jack every single non-political post on this board?

which I can easily imagine

The left wing pathology in a nutshell. If the make a pill for it, I'd even support free distribution by the gov.

My complaint isn't the typical lefty idiocy, its that tiny tube is so hamfisted at segueing.

'Say, speaking of hamfisted....go make me a sandwich.'

Or, Bill, we could make the same exact point without sounding like a dick. Like this:
I know what you mean, Adolfo, but then consider people who suffer truly severe trauma (torture, rape, war, etcetera).
Posted by sandy burger at January 15, 2006 04:19 AM

You've got a point - I'm just concerned by the widespread use of mind altering drugs like Prozac and Ritalin. Our grandparents and great grandparents survived war, etc. - their examples show that we are stronger than we give ourselves credit for.

Oh, and you're right - Bill is a dick.

From the article:

Scientists think it happens because the brain goes haywire during and right after a strongly emotional event, pouring out stress hormones that help store these memories in a different way than normal ones are preserved.

This strikes me as perfectly sensible. Your body finds a way to make you remember bad stuff, presumably making it less likely that you'll put yourself in that sort of situation again.

That's not to say that using it to help people isn't a good idea, or that we always have control over these bad situations, but it still seems like a decent survival mechanism.

My 7 year old was prescribed propranolol for anxiety frequent explosions of rage. It didn't help at all. It's really a mild medication. It doesn't even work on the brain at all. It just prevents the adrenaline response: that need to run or fight when under stress. I'm very skeptical of its value for ptsd. Maybe it will help calm them down and they won't remember the fear as much, and it wouldn't be addictive like val-u-rite vodka. But it is just a blood pressure medicine.

So when a regular here makes a cheap baseless swipe at the "left", that's not threadjacking. When I respond with a similar swipe, using an actual link to information, that's a hamfisted thead-jacking.

The facts are biased, aren't they?

Jack M, I don't want impeachment. I want Bush to hang around your necks like a rotting albatross. I want everyone to know that Repubs will stand up for him as long as possible, as they have Delay, Ney, Frist, Libby, etc etc.

Meanwhile, your talking points are getting outdated quickly.

Specter: If Bush Broke The Law With Warrantless Spying, Impeachment Is A Remedy

Today on ABC’s This Week, Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA) — who plans to hold hearings on Bush’s warrantless domestic spying program — upped the ante. He said that if it is determined that Bush broke the law, both impeachment and criminal prosecution are legitimate remedies:

-- click link for whole story

Gotta love it.

Here's a non-sequitur of the kind I like:

tiny tube, your children are going to choose to be U.S. Marines when they grow up, and they are going to go abroad and help spread Democracy across the globe.
And kill people (but that is merely incidental).

And you are going to have to be proud of them.

...I mean, since we're making up alternate futures and all.

tubby, does it bother your conscience to be disingenuous or can you rationalize it as long as it advances your worldview? I don't think I'm overstating your attitude either because I suspect you're intelligent enough to understand Arlen was addressing a hypothetical: You know, if the president did break the law or circumvent the law, what’s the remedy?. How would you expect this question to be answered by any responsible person?

BTW, the reason you don't get any respect from me is because you display absolutely no independent thought process. When given a topic, the best you can do is crawl the lefty echo chambers and copy and paste somebody else's opinion. That, and you're an asshole on the order of a Bill Ardolino. Fucking military, indeed.

Oh, and please defend using Mr. Douglas Herman of Rense as a credible source for anything, even bullshit prognosticating.

A 467 word post is not a "swipe."

Pithy stupid comment? Not threadjacking.

Long quote of material not related to the post subject? Threadjacking

Tubster,

Who was talking about impeachment in my post? Not me. I merely pointed out that you are claiming that Bush may have a serious medical condition that might prove to be debilitating.

If you honestly believe this, you should be clamoring for him to be immediately replaced by Dick Cheney. For the good of the country.

If you don't believe this, you are simply pulling a smear out of your ass.

So which one is it Tubby? President Cheney or a nasty, unwarranted, smear?

I think I can guess.

Tubino,

A good way to threaten somebody is to light a stick of dynamite. Then you call the guy and hold the burning fuse up to the phone. "Hear that?" you say. "That's dynamite, baby."

Or, Bill, we could make the same exact point without sounding like a dick.

Wow, thanks for the lecture on human interaction, Sandy. But considering Adolfo got pissed at me the last time I made a non-aggressive comment about something he said, there's really no point. I know who I'm being a dick to and why, when I'm being dick. And specifically, his comment extrapolating making a drug with stated use of diminishing the impact of PTSD to our overall overmedication is silly, and I'm going to burn silly people on the silly things they say.

Sometimes sarcastically.

Even if it makes your womb hurt.

You know who else does that? you and others on this board, come to think of it, when the offending commenter has the wrong (right?) political ideology that makes them fair game for scorn.

Like, say, Tubino's claptrap above?

When I want to make counter points with people I respect, I make them respectfully. With people that I disrespect, well you get the idea.

You dig? Or is it hard to hear me from on high? With your head up your ass and all?

(see, that last part was gratuitous, me being a dick. It's like I can't stop myself!)

Okay, I'll settle this pissing match: you're all dicks.

There, does that help?

Whoops. That should be "we're all dicks."

Sorry for the mistake.

I never denied it.

Kids in the Hall

Brain Candy ... Glimmerene

Comedians ahead of the pack, again.

Yes, everyone. Admission is the first step. We all have to learn to embrace our inner dick.

Wait, that didn't sound right...

A lot of people don't know this but they already have been giving patients memory loss drugs for a long time, they do this often with general anesthesia for surgery.

Support for impeaching Bush is significantly HIGHER than it ever was for impeaching Clinton

In my living room!

-- 12AX7

When I want to make counter points with people I respect, I make them respectfully. With people that I disrespect, well you get the idea.

In case anybody is wondering what it takes to earn Bill's respect, it's quite simple; agree with him. Other then that, you're stupid.

oops. Last one was mine. Loose Bill.

Loose Bill.

LMAO!

That, and you're an asshole on the order of a Bill Ardolino.

"But considering Adolfo got pissed at me the last time I made a non-aggressive comment about something he said..."

Looks like Bill could use some of this medicine.

Not even a lefty troll deserves that sort of insult...

someone,

Generally I would agree but as a veteran I take particular joy in insulting tubby in as harsh a way as possible.

I guess I was a bit grumpy. Bill, I didn't say you were a dick. I said you sounded like one. But there's no way to make that point without myself sounding like a dick, so there you have it.

As for myself, it's true. I basically am a troll. I don't know why I'm like this. I don't do this for a living.

He's wearing on me like Cedarford; at first he seemed lucid and half-sensible.

Tiny tube's major fault (back then) was moving goal posts and changing the subject when caught; but eventually, as with C, the grotesque must show itself.

That piece he posted on the military montage thread was over my line.

Hi, Tubino. A little while ago I wrote three comments for you in this thread, and I was wondering if you'd had a chance to read them yet.

12AX7 tries so hard to sound reasonable,

but his passions will be his undoing.

Dave in T, I got it.

EL-34 is often distorted when he cranks the gain too high.

Sovtek makes an EL-34?

Far out.

When I want to make counter points with people I respect, I make them respectfully. With people that I disrespect, well you get the idea.
Posted by Bill from INDC at January 15, 2006 01:18 PM

Look, this isn't about the medication, or my comment, is it? This is about what happened on New Year's Eve. Why can't you get over it? I was drunk, I was lonely. How many times do I have to apologize?

Oh, and I liked the flowers, but please stop leaving notes on my windshield.

On one hand, if we forget, how can we prosecute someone?

On the other hand, one must move on.

Forgiving our enemies would be much easier if we're hazy about what they did to begin with.

"Brain Candy ... Glimmerene'"

gleemonex, actually.