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November 20, 2005
The Stuff That Dreams Are Made OfIf you haven’t seen it yet, here’s the upcoming Boeing 787 ‘Dreamliner's’ interior:
Sort of Star Trek, TNGish with the all the curves. Not a bad thing. Certainly feels ‘future.’ And the blue lighting wasn’t just for the photo. It can be manipulated in flight, in color and brightness, to mimic outside conditions. Probably less fatiguing in some body-clock, scientific way. Here’s the entranceway, all vaulted and round and blue-glowy too:
If you look at the shots, you can tell the windows are a good bit larger than the little portals we’re used to too. Another change, one that doesn’t show up in photos, is to the interior humidity. The 787 will actually have some. No longer is airplane air going to be metal-tinged, bone dry stuff. These changes to the plane’s interior are the result of changes in the plane’s exterior. No aluminum anywhere. No metals at all, for that matter. The 787 is carbon-fiber plastic. It’s going to be the first commercial plane, fuselage and wings, made up of composites. This is a big deal: Weight, of course, is of paramount concern to an aerospace engineer. And that's where composites come in. Skins, frames and stringers made out of carbon fiber are lighter than aluminum but just as sturdy. Making the cage and its cover out of composites can reduce the airplane's heft dramatically while increasing its strength. The article that snippet comes from, a longish January piece from the Chicago Tribune, is a damn good read, and well worth registering for. A magazine type piece, it places the move to composites in the context of commercial airline history, and explains what a change and gamble it was specifically for Boeing and its culture. It was a move they had to make. Early in the decade, Boeing was getting its ass handed to it by the European consortium Airbus. Overall, there were still more Boeings in service, but for several years, in a completely unheard of development, Boeing was getting fewer orders for new planes than a rival (frankly, even having a competitor was a change). Boeing needed a big shakeup to leap it ahead of Airbus and composites were it. For the 787, they decided to construct the plane in big carbon-fiber chunks, long strips of whole fuselage baked in an autoclave. Later, they would be assembled together withour rivets. Essentailly, big epoxy’d strips of more carbon fiber would be wrapped around the fuselage sections, joining them like duct tape joining pieces of tubing. For buyers, the move to composites just makes economic sense. The plane is cheaper to make and thus to sell. It’s also 20% lighter than if it was made from aluminum. Lighter planes means less fuel which means cheaper to fly planes with longer ranges. But there’re other plusses. Business Week details some of those advantages the Tribune snippet hinted at: Dreamliner engineers are discovering that their composites are even tougher than they initially imagined. So Boeing is able to guarantee customers that maintenance costs will be 30% lower than for aluminum planes. Airbus went in another direction: bigger. Their humongous A380, now rescheduled for a delayed release in 2007, tries to out-efficient Boeing by simply packing more passengers into each flight. At first, they were pretty cocky this was all the advantage they needed: When asked to comment on the announcement of chief rival Boeing's plans to introduce the long-haul, super-efficient 787 Dreamliner jet, the Airbus chief responded: "We don't need to react to the presentation of this plane." Their mindset was pretty inflexible, pretty confident bigger would turn out to be better. And they were mouthing off that the all-composite move was simply too drastic. Boeing was betting the company otherwise, taking the view that the A380 is too big, that the big airport and big gates it requires leave it out of step with the trend in the industry away from the old central-hub/reconnecting flights model. The future, they believed, belonged to effcient, long distance, smaller "more direct flight friendly” planes. And, in a slap at Airbus's A350, their new, smaller belated response to the 787 that uses more composites, Der Speigle summed the plane up in Airbus A350, No Match For Dreamliner, writing, “the company doesn’t have the time, money or manpower to create a competing jet.” But that was back in the summer. Has the outlook changed for the Dreamliner since then? Yes. It’s gotten even better. On Friday, Boeing announced they’ve already sold out the first three-year run of the 787’s production. Further market-place votes should emerge in the next day or so from Dubai, where a big annual air show is going on right now. An industry event, Boeing and Airbus are there in full effect, flying their planes about, trying to make impressions on the Mid-East Airlines gathered there to buy. So far in Dubai, Boeing's doing record numbers with Dreamliner inspired updates on older models. posted by Dr. Reo Symes at 05:59 PM
CommentsUh, what's with Reo's transportation fetish? Posted by: someone on November 20, 2005 06:11 PM
I be US airlines will still find a way to wedge as many seat sin there as possible and make it as uncomfortable as possible. Still, it looks cool. Nice to finally see some advances in commerical air transportation. Posted by: brak on November 20, 2005 06:17 PM
Brak, those photos, I think, are of either first or business class. In others on the site I link, you can just make out some of the ol' pack em like sardines seating behind. Still though. Looks prettier. Posted by: Dr. Reo Symes on November 20, 2005 06:22 PM
It won't really be cool until the plane is shaped like a saucer. Posted by: harrison on November 20, 2005 07:07 PM
Hey Doc!! You missed something else, even! Yep - Boeing has rolled out a stretch 747 variant the 747-8 to compete with the A380. Posted by: on November 20, 2005 07:17 PM
Urp - that last one was mine. Posted by: Bravo Romeo Delta on November 20, 2005 07:18 PM
Plastic planes? Isn't plastic made from O.I.L.??!? Haliburton! Cheney lied! Posted by: tubino on November 20, 2005 07:25 PM
This is in coach, right? Posted by: profilgatewaste on November 20, 2005 07:31 PM
Heh!: From the Business Week artice: " Once the Dreamliner's barrels, wings, and other parts are ready, Boeing hopes to assemble each 787 in just three days, down from 11 days for the 737. "It takes time to choreograph the dance that happens in final assembly," says Bair. If three days proves to be a tad ambitious, he adds, "we'd be happy to get to four."" Posted by: Bravo Romeo Delta on November 20, 2005 07:32 PM
From the photos at the link it looks like the first class is three lines of two seaters and the coach class was three lines of three seaters with a les narrow isles than the first class section... still, all in all, it looks like a pretty cool new aero-plane. Posted by: Madfish Willie on November 20, 2005 07:39 PM
Air China from LA to Taipei, 1999. It was a nice ride. Posted by: Dave in Texas on November 20, 2005 08:44 PM
Carbon fiber plastic? Not only will the airplane melt faster than an aluminum fuselage when it is engulfed in flames, it will release far more toxins into the atmosphere. Thusly adding to the destruction of the environment. Posted by: tree hugger on November 20, 2005 09:14 PM
One hopes that Boeing and the various regulators have figured out a way to check for delamination and other possible problems that affect carbon fiber parts on aircraft. Posted by: lawhawk on November 20, 2005 09:32 PM
Every passenger is a test pilot... Posted by: Tony on November 20, 2005 09:40 PM
All I want to know is will the 787 have 22" chrome spinners and a mad sound system? Pimp My Ride, anyone? Posted by: Bart on November 20, 2005 10:11 PM
I keep wondering why the aircraft manufacturers don't get smart and revisit Bill Northrup's work from 70 years ago. The engineering and aerodynamic aspects of the flying wing are compelling. They must be stuck on stupid. Posted by: Purple Avenger on November 20, 2005 11:02 PM
To echo and emphasize some earlier comments, you all did get a close look at the coach seats on the Boeing page, right??? Shitty sardines as always. They always fuck you at the drive-thru. Cheers, Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge on November 20, 2005 11:15 PM
Emirate Air buys 42 Boeings http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051121/ap_on_bi_ge/boeing_orders;_ylt=AriAATrQunIENOoYNoZVtVys0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3bGI2aDNqBHNlYwM3NDk- Posted by: salomeh on November 21, 2005 12:12 AM
Every time I fly I feel like I'm being squeezed in to some hellish tin can. That blue - glowy huge leg room plane looks awesome. Sign me up for that. When I'm flyin to Vegas to blow some cash I want blus ambient lighting. Posted by: fugazi on November 21, 2005 12:53 AM
I live in western washington, and from what I've heard, boeing is talking about building another 7E7 assembly plant. Good for boeing Posted by: Stha on November 21, 2005 02:04 AM
Purple Avenger, there is a reason why the YB-49 never became a production model. Actually, a whole laundry list of troubling problems that nobody saw a solution for until other concerns such as radar profile made it worth overcoming those difficulties. Thus the B-2 Stealth Bomber. The extremely expensive B-2. If you think you know how to make a cost effective flying wing for civilian applications, go for it. Posted by: epobirs on November 21, 2005 03:24 AM
Competition is one of the main reasons Boeing has gotten their act together. The greatest era of innovation in airframes was when we had many companies in the US competing. Posted by: epobirs on November 21, 2005 03:27 AM
You know, that's a really poor choice of words in one of the quoted sections: I know what it means, but... it just seems like they could have found a better word for it. Like... "Pressurised." Posted by: Jeff on November 21, 2005 04:19 PM
epobirs: The #1 reason, by a long stretch, for the decision on the Flying Wing was that it had a tendency to "hunt" a bit in level flight, which affected accuracy in bombing. Improved controls and aerodynamics keeps that from being a problem nowadays. The big issue now is designing a pressurized cabin that's not tube shaped. Once Boeing gets some practice in all-composite planes, they're going to be able to go for that blended-wing body design... Posted by: cirby on November 21, 2005 08:05 PM
Yep, I noticed the (shitty as always) coach seats. YAWN. Wake me when you have REAL news. Posted by: El Conquistadore on November 21, 2005 08:15 PM
lawhawk: Actually, until more historical data is accumulated on carbon fiber aircraft, the FAA is forcing manufacturers to over-build their composite aircraft by upwards of 50%. The 20% savings in weight could go much higher in the next few decades as government understanding and confidence in the technology increases. As far as the blended wing body is concerned, while the efficiency is stellar, there's a signifcant enough portion of the populous already so terrified of flying, that trying to get them in anything that doesn't look like an "airplane" is all but impossible. It's going to take a generational turnover before there are enough people confident in flying wing technology to convince skiddish airlines that they can sell enough seats to make it worth their money. The other problem is claustrophbia. BWB's and flying wings are like sitting in a movie theater for hours on end. Only the people near the periphery will even be able to see windows. On top of that, the wide passenger compartment means people far from the aircraft centerline are going to get a rollercoaster ride when the plane banks or encouters turbulence. Most airports aren't equipped to handle an aircraft with close to a 300' wingspan (and only about 100' in length). Gantries and terminals would have to be redesigned to accomodate flying wings just as much if not more that for the A380. It's a hard trade-off to sell. Posted by: yaminohasha on November 22, 2005 01:09 AM
Way too late, probably, but note that one of the major problems with composites is mosture absorption. If they are in humid environments, their overall strength can be reduced by a significant amount. Franky, I would trust an aluminum fuselage far more than a composite one. Aluminum has fatigue issues, but it also has the property that if you leave it fallow, and don't subject it to stress cycles, it gets stronger. Strange but true. Posted by: cranky-d on November 24, 2005 06:32 AM
Looks like the cockpit of a spaceship or something else Posted by: spurwing plover on November 24, 2005 09:48 AM
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