Global Warming is to the environment what us Jews are to politics: just as soem believe the Jews are behind Capitalism and Communism, global warming causes drought and flooding, sweltering heat and arctic winters, and of course Al Gore. (Ludwig von Mises wrote that a person who believed nazi propaganda would think the Jews were responsible for half of civilization.)

Proponents of global warming have long claimed that if we don't take drastic actions to reduce man-made greenhouse emissions then things will happen. And here we are, just a few years after the Kyoto accord was axed, and things are happening. And things will continue to happen if we don't act quickly.

Has anyone seen this guy's site?

http://www.iceagenow.com/

It's about how he thinks that evidence like in this Greenland ice article points to the opposite of global warming, an oncoming Ice Age.

I've read through most of the site. It is interesting and at least as convincing as any of the global warming stuff out there. Anybody have an opinion on it? Is he a nut, or a scammer cherry picking data to sell books, or is he really onto something?

"Global warming-- is there anything it can't do?"

So far it hasn't removed the penny my son put in the CD player in my car's dashboard. Lousy, good-for-nothing global warming...

Seems to be about as much cherry-picking as goes on in the GW crowd. There's been speculation since the 1970s that we're overdue for a new round of ice age climate, since the mean period of interglacials (what we're in now) is about 10-12 thousand years. Recently there has been some brouhaha (see The Day After Tomorrow) that "global warming" shuts down the Gulf stream, thus cutting off warm air to northern Europe, thus causing ice sheets to grow, blah blah blah. It's a fairly long-standing hypothesis that that is, in fact, what causes periodic ice ages.

You can count on this being touted as a sure sign of GW though, or "climate change" as it's being renamed lately. The latter term insures that ANY kind of unusual weather is attributable to GW. More snow in Greenland? "Climate Change"! Less snow in North Dakota? "Climate Change"! Drought? Floods? More storms? Fewer storms? It's all due to "CLimate Change".

It's basically become unfalsifiable since really anything can be made to fit the theory.

That enviros pushing the certainty of global warming are full of shit is self-evident to anyone who has ever engaged in multivariate analysis. The classic three-body problem (involving the Sun, the Earth and Jupiter) and the restricted case (involving the Sun, Jupiter and the Trojan satellites) underscore the mathematical accuity required to solve even basic problems having only three variables. The problem isn't that the positions and speeds, etc., of the bodies aren't known, it's just that the computations are incredibly complex.

Any worthwhile environmental model would necessarily include dozens of such variables; a real-world examination of the situation would likely reveal lterally thousands (if not more) of complex, ever-changing variables.

It's truly a case of garbage in, garbage out. And mathematics aside, the proof is in the pudding: even skilled local forecasters using actual environmental obs are routinely off by wide margins on even short-term predictions (i.e., think local weathermen or the NOAA guys trying to determine where a hurricane will hit). And I'm supposed to believe that a environmental group with more lawyers than physicists and $$$ to be made off bold predictions is accurately predicting the very long-term (i.e., decades, centuries, etc.) effects of greenhouse emissions and the like using only computer-generated models?

Please. The whole concept is an insult to our intelligence. Naturally, the MSM buys it hook, line and sinker. Gee, I'd have thought that a professional journalist with a B.A. from Emory University outside the CNN center in Atlanta would be able to grasp the nuances of the problem a little better!

I think Emily Latella said it best, nevermind.

So much for global warming i mean they were claiming that all this global warming was going to melt the ice caps and flood the earth the planet would look like it did in that KEVIN KOSNER stinkeroo WATER WORLD the world would be all flooded like in THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW just what a lot of poppycock has the eco-freaks at GREENPEACE been telling us? what a load of horse poo from the biggist makers of HOT AIR the idiots at GREENPEACE itself and they claim that GLOBAL WARMING is the cuase of the hurricanes and i even saw a false and misleading ad put out by some bunch calling itself BEYOND PETROLIUM what lie where the FCC to monitor the fruadulent ads?

Funny how people can not predict where a hurricane is going to exactly hit, but people are so sure of what exactly causes global warming and how it will ruin all of us. Despite all the cries of "Wolf!", I have yet to see the dreaded Wolf.

In my opinion, if global warming is taking place, our impact (and any chance of making a difference) is negligible. It's part of the earth's natural weather cycles.

As some lists of proposed bumper sticker slogans have it: if we want to prevent global warming, we should ban volcanoes. (And cows with flatulence, too.)

Let me state the obvious. We Jews are the ones truly responsible for global warming. We let Karl Rove punch the buttons and pull the levers on the Death Weather Machine sometimes so we can use him as a scapegoat (we started that whole scapegoat thing too, you know.) But it's all us, my little dumplings.

The next time you go out, look up at the sky and wink at Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, and Eliot Abrams, and maybe they'll think about not zapping your Gentile asses.

Somehow, I think that I prefer being a Gentile...
as opposed to an Infidel.

I've lost total respect for our scientific community. Here we are in the time of Buck Rogers and we have no death rays, well none that I can buy, no levitating cars, no transporters, not one community on a foreign planet..not even the moon for shit sake, and they still are whinning about global warming.

Well get frigging busy. You guys have been whinning about this for decades. Use the empirical data. We aren't gonna stop driving cars, the hindus aren't gonna start killing the cows which guarantees endlees amounts of, you should excuse, bullshit, we still plan too heat our houses and there still will be women in Arkansas having litters of kids. So stop whinning about global warming and do that scientist thing and come up with a solution. Put up more ozone. Put a huge gob of Coppertone up in the atmosphere. Do scientist shit. Stop whinning and fix the problem. Ok?

I just want to hear the explanation of why Mars also sees 'Global Warming'.

The 'scientific community' is not monolithic. The people who are studying climatology have a vested interest in finding an effect. But there are plenty of fields where the research itself is funded for other (non-energy/pollution/climate) reasons.

There have been a couple of recent articles studying the solar output - and noticing an increase. There is an article showing that Mars has gotten hotter in the last decades. There's sea level tracking and other studies that just don't play directly into the 'Sky is falling' mentality.

TJ, Buck Rogers was set in the 25th century. You might as well sit down, it's going to be a long wait.

The 'scientific community' is not monolithic. The people who are studying climatology have a vested interest in finding an effect.

The purpose of scientific research is to generate grants for more scientific research.

TJ, Buck Rogers was set in the 25th century. You might as well sit down, it's going to be a long wait.

That was the "modern" Buck Rogers. The original was set in this time. That's why the whole premise of the "modern" Buck Rogers was that he was frozen for 500 years, then thawed out, hence the "Buck Rogers in the 25th Century" title.

Blacksheep, you are 100% right...

But...

I have to say it GEEK!!!!!!!!!

Of course I was nodding along while reading your comment. That makes me one as well....I am so ashamed...