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August 01, 2005
Dean's Comments Too Deceptive Even For a KosmonautSome sanity from the reality-based community (ahem), as a Daily Kos diarist takes Howard Dean to task for, well, lying about the Kelo case. He claims Bush's "Right wing court" gave the okay to seize private property for corporate use, conveniently forgetting that 1) no one on that court was appointed by Bush and 2) more importantly, the three strongest conservatives (joined by Daffy Sandra Day O'Connor) dissented and the three strongest liberals (joined by the ever-"evolving" Kennedy) okayed this power. Kind of brave of a Kosmonaut to actually speak the truth: There's simply no way that Dean's comments can be spun to make them even remotely defensible. Dean's tendency to shoot his mouth off was endearing to us Deaniacs as a matter of pride during the campaign, but as DNC chair it's been a constant embarrassment. But check out this comment, disagreeing with the diarist and supporting Dean's lie: I'm 100% behind it. Why? Because it resonates, and I'm perfectly willing to go for a false statement that illustrates a truth. Now, all of this might be deemed trivial, the musings of idiots with nothing better to do than write silly shit on-line all day (umm... ahem), but the Kosmonauts have a lot of influence on the left-wing of the Democratic Party, and I think the mindset of this commenter -- "Lie, lie, lie, so long as your lies promote a 'greater truth'" -- is quite common on the left. Obviously it's not shared by all on the left; the diariest certainly knows the difference between truth and lie, and seems to think that lying is a bad thing per se, whatever political usefulness the lie might have. But this is a common belief on the left, that our country is faced by such dire peril by Chimphitler McHalliburton that any underhanded tactics are justified, if not demanded. posted by Ace at 02:11 PM
CommentsNotice that in one of the comments, this goes back to Florida 2000. It is Bush's "Right Wing Court" because they "selected (not elected!) him" in 2000, i.e. made the right decision. What a bunch of f'n loons. Posted by: Bonze on August 1, 2005 02:33 PM
The tiwsted logic some of the commenters there are using to justify Dean's statement as 'true' or 'accurate' are amusing. "Well, this is the supreme court that selected Bush for president, so if you think about it, Dean is accurate in calling it "Bush's right-wing supreme court."" Posted by: John from WuzzaDem on August 1, 2005 02:33 PM
Bush's "lies" about Iraq (despite no proof of knowing deception) are taken as gospel. Dean's patently, provably untrue lie about the Kelo decision is, however, A-OK. I expect partisanship, but come on now. The reality-based community indeed. Posted by: Bonze on August 1, 2005 02:54 PM
What 'truth' does Dean's statement illustrate??? Please somebody tell me. As for going back to the 2000 election, can't any of those morons at Kos or that moron Dean figure out that 4 of the 5 votes that ended the Florida Supreme Court's shenanigans were also the 4 dissents in Kelo? In other words four-fifths of the majority in Gore vs Bush were one hundred percent of the minority in Kelo. 'Reality based' = moron drool lobotomy central. Posted by: max on August 1, 2005 03:02 PM
Dean is, unfortunately, confirming every fear I had about him, both as a candidate and as the DNC Chair. Why couldn't the Dems have installed somebody who actually has charisma, eloquence and smarts, say Edwards, rather than someone who's only quals seem to be that his first campaign manager knew how to leverage the Internet and the phrase, "I'm from the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party!" YEEARRrrrgh! Posted by: vonKreedon on August 1, 2005 03:05 PM
Ohhh Deano (ripples of pleasure) How can you not just love that man? How can you not? Posted by: lauraw on August 1, 2005 03:08 PM
With all due respect, Dean is a symptom, not the disease. The disease is a rabid hateful partisanship which I trust you will concede rivals, if not outright exceeds, the antipathy the right had for Clinton in the 90's. Dean would not be making these comments if they weren't playing well with the increasingly-base base. Posted by: ace on August 1, 2005 03:10 PM
somebody who actually has charisma, eloquence and smarts, say Edwards vonK, If you can promise you'll act on insights like this, I'll nominate YOU as chairman of the DNC. Edwards. "Tchew Amurricuhs." I'd almost forgotten about Edwards. HAH. You slay me, vonK, you slay me. Posted by: Rocketeer on August 1, 2005 03:12 PM
Ace - Oh, with all due respect, I respectfully agree that Dean is a symptom of a hyperpartisan and incompetent Democratic party and not the cause. I'm not so sure how well he is actually playing with the base though. I hope and trust that the vast majority of those posting on the Internet are examples of partisan extremism and not examples of either parties broad base. The question I guess is whether or not the atmosphere of extreme partisanship will make the extremists the de facto base come primary season. Ugh. Posted by: vonKreedon on August 1, 2005 03:16 PM
Rummaging. In. The crazybox. Say, is Gore TV up and running yet? Posted by: lauraw on August 1, 2005 03:17 PM
lauraw is right, How can you not just love that man? Dean would not be making these comments if they weren't playing well with the increasingly-base base. I doubt it, as does von K, for I doubt that Dean is that rational, and if he is it clearly won't work demonstrating again that he's not rational. Posted by: 72 optinists on August 1, 2005 03:26 PM
Wasn't it Stalin or Lenin (or some other high profile 100% commie) that said a lie repeated often enough becomes the truth? Posted by: tony on August 1, 2005 03:28 PM
I'm not so sure how well he is actually playing with the base though. I hope and trust that the vast majority of those posting on the Internet are examples of partisan extremism and not examples of either parties broad base. Somewhat representative, I think. Compare the conspiracy-mongering Daily Kos to the big conservative bloggers. You might not like their partisanship, but they're not engaging in loopy internet detective-work. Posted by: ace on August 1, 2005 03:55 PM
"You might not like their partisanship, but they're not engaging in loopy internet detective-work." Hey, that reminds me ace, have you finished that expose on Ted Kennedy and Hillary's involvement in the London Bombings at the behest of the Greys? I want to read it before you both disappear in the middle of the night, and "driven across a bridge in chappaquidick" Posted by: Ring on August 1, 2005 04:02 PM
tony, Gobbels said that. (not to be confused with Gobbelsford, who is a repeat commenter on this site.) you're welcome Posted by: Son of America on August 1, 2005 04:12 PM
Up untill I read these comments, it didn't occur to me that Dean was lying. I just assumed he didn't really know the votes. Remeber Zell Miller's take on Dean. "Clever and glib, but deep this Vermont pond is not" Posted by: tweb on August 1, 2005 04:20 PM
Gobbles? Gobbles!!! Posted by: Timmy on August 1, 2005 04:32 PM
If it is any indicator, my mom is about as liberal as a person can get without being a moonbat, and she describes Dean as "a crazy person". If the dems think Dean (or Hildabeast) will lead them to the promised land, I got a bridge to sell them. OK, I don't really have a bridge, I'm just sayin. Posted by: fugazi on August 1, 2005 05:01 PM
Ace - I don't know, I don't read anyone other than you, Heywood, Wretchard, Van Steenwyk, TPW and the Mote. But I remember some damn loopy Internet detective work from the VRWC during Clinton's terms. Posted by: vonKreedon on August 1, 2005 05:05 PM
The commenter who chose falsehood over truth was simply following the new Democratic Party's strategy of "framing" the debate (thanks to the now-ubiquitous George Lakoff). We have to be aware of these coordinated efforts and return the debate to the issues, rather than the soundbites. More on Lakoff's effect on the democrats at: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/17/magazine/17DEMOCRATS.html?ex=1279252800&en=36ac46ed797d7ab6&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss Posted by: geoff on August 1, 2005 06:33 PM
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Whoops! I posted about Dan Goldman losing the NY congressional primary. He might do that, but it won't be tonight -- the primary isn't held until June 23.
One race to keep an eye on: the Levi's heir nepo baby and egregious "Designated Liar" Dan Goldman -- one of the Democrats from a safe district Democrats send out to spread their most indefensible lies -- may actually lose his lower Manhattan/Brooklyn set due to, get this, antisemitism in the Democrat primary electorate.
Antisemitism? In the anti-Nazi Democrat Party? Sounds crazy, I know, but apparently the anti-Nazi Party wants to eliminate Jews. Henry Rosoff Oh my Totenkopf Tattoo, that is a DRUBBING! I'm usually very anti-antisemitism but if the Communist Antisemite Jihadists can pull this one off, Go Communist Antisemite Jihadists, Go!
Democrat Senator Rueben Gallego, who served his wife with divorce papers when she was nine months pregnant so that he could marry his side-piece, counsels us that we should not judge Graham Platner for his infidelity because these things are personal matters, Racists:
Sahil Kapur I like that he says that it's okay that Graham Platner sexted 12 different women within months of marrying the woman to sponge off her because he wasn't then "living a political life" -- the clear meaning being, "We all cheat, we just don't cheat when we're running for office, and he didn't know he was running for office when he was sending dicpics to half the women he ran into." Except he was running: His own wife turned the sexts over to his campaign. And obviously Reuben Gallego didn't let his "political life" get in the way of his extramarital dating life: ![]()
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Thanks to Joyenz The rocket's enormous engines are fueled by "the volcanic heterosexual lust between James Talarico and his Neighbor With a Uterus 'girlfriend'" I hope Amazon's rocket works better than the Amazon Prime app does as far as allowing people to watch the black and white version of "Spider-Noir" From the CA Post: Thanks to beckster
Just like "Spartacus" Corey Booker, now that James Talarico is running for a higher office, he unveils his previously-unknown "girlfriend" and hooboy, it just so happens she used to work for him, and, get this, likes to "dance the night away" at gay bars
Gee I wonder where they might have met Oh and she's a vegan When Corey Booker needed a "girlfriend," he conjured up known LGBTQ activist Rosario Dawson. How convenient that when these guys need a girlfriend to show off to the normies that just happen to find an activist with a strong history of and interest in Supporting Gay Men But seriously, this James Talarico romance with a Neighbor with a Uterus is a love story for the ages. The passion of their lovemaking is hotter than a blue star with a core of Primordial Sex Atoms created in the Big Bang
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"Teen" charged with five counts of attempted murder after attempting to run down police officers with his car in yet another "teen takeover" permitted by woke racist incompetent Chicago mayor Brandon Johnson
Johnson's response to the "teen takeovers" of streets and businesses that he refuses to make arrests to stop is to go after social media companies for not deleting messages to coordinate the "teen takeovers." Um, they're supposed to find these messages and delete them in real time? It makes no sense but he has to offer an "alternative" plan to just arresting lawbreakers -- which he absolutely refuses to do, saying we "can't arrest our way out" of rampant crime.
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James Talarico He's referring to three mass attacks committed by white men in, oh, the past six or eight years. There were a huge number of mass shootings and bombings he had to skip over to cherry pick three committed by white men. Which kind of makes me think that "white men" are not the greatest terrorist threat in our country. No, I doubt he'll be a guest on Tucker Carlson. The only thing that Tucker clings to that he claims makes him "conservative" is a palpable hatred of gays. Any time there's a communist enslaving their population and executing dissenters and conservatives, Tucker praises that dictator by saying "at least he represses the homos!"
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