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August 01, 2005

Dean's Comments Too Deceptive Even For a Kosmonaut

Some sanity from the reality-based community (ahem), as a Daily Kos diarist takes Howard Dean to task for, well, lying about the Kelo case. He claims Bush's "Right wing court" gave the okay to seize private property for corporate use, conveniently forgetting that 1) no one on that court was appointed by Bush and 2) more importantly, the three strongest conservatives (joined by Daffy Sandra Day O'Connor) dissented and the three strongest liberals (joined by the ever-"evolving" Kennedy) okayed this power.

Kind of brave of a Kosmonaut to actually speak the truth:

There's simply no way that Dean's comments can be spun to make them even remotely defensible. Dean's tendency to shoot his mouth off was endearing to us Deaniacs as a matter of pride during the campaign, but as DNC chair it's been a constant embarrassment.

...

However, Dean's trajectory of late has me worried. It's a different one from early 2003 or even late 2004. The new trajectory takes us too close to Democratism should the trend be extended to a futue where Republicanism is defeated - if we replace the Elephant with the Ass, has America been well-served?

Far better to make the course correction now - and ensure that there is no overcompensatory swing to the same kind of excess for which we rightly castigate the Right for. Update [2005-7-26 17:17:22 by azizhp]: in case you're wondering why Dean's comments are factually incorrect, ask yourself. How many Bush 43-appointed justices voted in favor of Kelo? How did Scalia and Rehnquist vote? How did Ginsburg vote?

But check out this comment, disagreeing with the diarist and supporting Dean's lie:

I'm 100% behind it. Why? Because it resonates, and I'm perfectly willing to go for a false statement that illustrates a truth.

Now, all of this might be deemed trivial, the musings of idiots with nothing better to do than write silly shit on-line all day (umm... ahem), but the Kosmonauts have a lot of influence on the left-wing of the Democratic Party, and I think the mindset of this commenter -- "Lie, lie, lie, so long as your lies promote a 'greater truth'" -- is quite common on the left.

Obviously it's not shared by all on the left; the diariest certainly knows the difference between truth and lie, and seems to think that lying is a bad thing per se, whatever political usefulness the lie might have. But this is a common belief on the left, that our country is faced by such dire peril by Chimphitler McHalliburton that any underhanded tactics are justified, if not demanded.

Thanks to Slublog.


posted by Ace at 02:11 PM
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Notice that in one of the comments, this goes back to Florida 2000. It is Bush's "Right Wing Court" because they "selected (not elected!) him" in 2000, i.e. made the right decision.

What a bunch of f'n loons.

Posted by: Bonze on August 1, 2005 02:33 PM

The tiwsted logic some of the commenters there are using to justify Dean's statement as 'true' or 'accurate' are amusing.

"Well, this is the supreme court that selected Bush for president, so if you think about it, Dean is accurate in calling it "Bush's right-wing supreme court.""

Posted by: John from WuzzaDem on August 1, 2005 02:33 PM

Bush's "lies" about Iraq (despite no proof of knowing deception) are taken as gospel.

Dean's patently, provably untrue lie about the Kelo decision is, however, A-OK.

I expect partisanship, but come on now. The reality-based community indeed.

Posted by: Bonze on August 1, 2005 02:54 PM

What 'truth' does Dean's statement illustrate??? Please somebody tell me.

As for going back to the 2000 election, can't any of those morons at Kos or that moron Dean figure out that 4 of the 5 votes that ended the Florida Supreme Court's shenanigans were also the 4 dissents in Kelo? In other words four-fifths of the majority in Gore vs Bush were one hundred percent of the minority in Kelo.

'Reality based' = moron drool lobotomy central.

Posted by: max on August 1, 2005 03:02 PM

Dean is, unfortunately, confirming every fear I had about him, both as a candidate and as the DNC Chair. Why couldn't the Dems have installed somebody who actually has charisma, eloquence and smarts, say Edwards, rather than someone who's only quals seem to be that his first campaign manager knew how to leverage the Internet and the phrase, "I'm from the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party!"

YEEARRrrrgh!

Posted by: vonKreedon on August 1, 2005 03:05 PM

Ohhh Deano

(ripples of pleasure)

How can you not just love that man? How can you not?

Posted by: lauraw on August 1, 2005 03:08 PM

With all due respect, Dean is a symptom, not the disease.

The disease is a rabid hateful partisanship which I trust you will concede rivals, if not outright exceeds, the antipathy the right had for Clinton in the 90's.

Dean would not be making these comments if they weren't playing well with the increasingly-base base.

Posted by: ace on August 1, 2005 03:10 PM

somebody who actually has charisma, eloquence and smarts, say Edwards

vonK,

If you can promise you'll act on insights like this, I'll nominate YOU as chairman of the DNC.

Edwards. "Tchew Amurricuhs." I'd almost forgotten about Edwards. HAH. You slay me, vonK, you slay me.

Posted by: Rocketeer on August 1, 2005 03:12 PM

Ace - Oh, with all due respect, I respectfully agree that Dean is a symptom of a hyperpartisan and incompetent Democratic party and not the cause.

I'm not so sure how well he is actually playing with the base though. I hope and trust that the vast majority of those posting on the Internet are examples of partisan extremism and not examples of either parties broad base. The question I guess is whether or not the atmosphere of extreme partisanship will make the extremists the de facto base come primary season.

Ugh.

Posted by: vonKreedon on August 1, 2005 03:16 PM

Rummaging. In. The crazybox.

Say, is Gore TV up and running yet?

Posted by: lauraw on August 1, 2005 03:17 PM

lauraw is right,

How can you not just love that man?

Dean would not be making these comments if they weren't playing well with the increasingly-base base.

I doubt it, as does von K, for I doubt that Dean is that rational, and if he is it clearly won't work demonstrating again that he's not rational.

Posted by: 72 optinists on August 1, 2005 03:26 PM

Wasn't it Stalin or Lenin (or some other high profile 100% commie) that said a lie repeated often enough becomes the truth?

Posted by: tony on August 1, 2005 03:28 PM

I'm not so sure how well he is actually playing with the base though. I hope and trust that the vast majority of those posting on the Internet are examples of partisan extremism and not examples of either parties broad base.

Somewhat representative, I think. Compare the conspiracy-mongering Daily Kos to the big conservative bloggers. You might not like their partisanship, but they're not engaging in loopy internet detective-work.

Posted by: ace on August 1, 2005 03:55 PM

"You might not like their partisanship, but they're not engaging in loopy internet detective-work."

Hey, that reminds me ace, have you finished that expose on Ted Kennedy and Hillary's involvement in the London Bombings at the behest of the Greys?

I want to read it before you both disappear in the middle of the night, and "driven across a bridge in chappaquidick"

Posted by: Ring on August 1, 2005 04:02 PM

tony, Gobbels said that.

(not to be confused with Gobbelsford, who is a repeat commenter on this site.)

you're welcome

Posted by: Son of America on August 1, 2005 04:12 PM

Up untill I read these comments, it didn't occur to me that Dean was lying. I just assumed he didn't really know the votes. Remeber Zell Miller's take on Dean. "Clever and glib, but deep this Vermont pond is not"

Posted by: tweb on August 1, 2005 04:20 PM

Gobbles? Gobbles!!!

Posted by: Timmy on August 1, 2005 04:32 PM

If it is any indicator, my mom is about as liberal as a person can get without being a moonbat, and she describes Dean as "a crazy person".

If the dems think Dean (or Hildabeast) will lead them to the promised land, I got a bridge to sell them.

OK, I don't really have a bridge, I'm just sayin.

Posted by: fugazi on August 1, 2005 05:01 PM

Ace - I don't know, I don't read anyone other than you, Heywood, Wretchard, Van Steenwyk, TPW and the Mote. But I remember some damn loopy Internet detective work from the VRWC during Clinton's terms.

Posted by: vonKreedon on August 1, 2005 05:05 PM

The commenter who chose falsehood over truth was simply following the new Democratic Party's strategy of "framing" the debate (thanks to the now-ubiquitous George Lakoff). We have to be aware of these coordinated efforts and return the debate to the issues, rather than the soundbites. More on Lakoff's effect on the democrats at:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/17/magazine/17DEMOCRATS.html?ex=1279252800&en=36ac46ed797d7ab6&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

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