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July 08, 2005
Eric Alterman: Let's Not Rush To Judgment In London!He frets we're jumping to conclusions about the perpetrators of the mass-slaughter in the Tubes: We don't have remotely enough information about what took place in London or who did it to engage in sensible speculation about why it happened or what ought to be done as a result. Speed is the enemy of sensibility in such situations. (So let's all try to resist the urge to exploit the tragedy to demonstrate how right we were about everything in the first place and just show some respect, and compassion, for its victims.) In related news, Alterman also wrings his hands that we're being "far too hasty" in trying to pin Lincoln's assassination on a "contrarian actor" ("Time to round up the artists and poets, eh?") and also worries "How do we know the shark killed all those people in Jaws? Maybe it was just a big moray eel, like the one in The Deep. I question the timing." He promises further handwringing when the sun sets tonight, but cautions, "let's make no off-the-cuff speculations about whether the sixty-million-year-old revolution of the earth will continue indefinitely. That smacks of racism to me. You know what else smacks of racism? Fig newtons, that's what." "The Reality-Based Community" It's far too early to make judgments about anything, except about our own intellectual and moral superiority. And we have to keep pointing it out to you because, damnit, no one else is picking up the slack. Thanks to the finally-linkable Blogometer from the National Journal. Have I Misread Alterman's Intent? Hubris thinks that perhaps Alterman was cautioning his leftist brethren, not saying "let's not rush to pin this on Al Qaeda affiliated terrorists:" This is actually one of the few statements ever made by Alterman that I have not found offensive. Note his phrasing:So let's all try to resist the urge to exploit the tragedy to demonstrate how right we were about everything. Emphasis in Hubris' quotation, putting that stress on "we." Plausible, I guess, but I have to say I switch between "we" meaning, you know, "we" and "we" meaning our opponents (what they're saying, or thinking, whatever) all the time. Really, when you do that, you should put the language in quotes to connote that these aren't your own words, but the (made-up) words you're putting in an unnamed straw-man's opponent's mouth; but I write sloppy, and often omit the quotes. In the post about the Supreme Court, I first wrote that a pro-choice libertarian judge would be "acceptable;" I realized I hadn't specified acceptable to whom, and had to edit to "acceptable to Chuckie Schumer." Maybe he means what Hubris says. I don't think so, but it is a possibility. If Alterman did mean to rap the left's knuckles, he shouldn't have been so chickenshit about citing an example. Alterman is a hack, so I just doubt he has much bad to say about the left at all, even a minor caution. David Corn is on the left, too, but he tries, from time to time, to achieve something close to "fairness." If it were David Corn we were talking about, I'd be more likely to accept Hubris' reading. In any event, I have to quote his quibbling, just because of that killer last line: Plenty of problems at Atrios and Oliver Willis, who will certainly keep us safe if Fox News correspondents ever try to storm our beaches. Amen, brother. I feel all warm and secure knowing that Filet-O-Fish will be right there to save me from the deviant sexual predations of Laurie Dhue. posted by Ace at 02:57 PM
CommentsHow do we know the shark killed all those people in Jaws? Maybe it was just a big moray eel, like the one in The Deep. I question the timing." Nah. It was global warming. The icebergs melted and giant frozen eels were released. Kyoto! Kyoto! [I just threw the last part in. What the hell.] Posted by: on July 8, 2005 03:01 PM
Josh Marshall's version was entitled "Let's not be blinded by our outrage." (No link, for obvious reasons, and no, I didn't read it.) Couple of visionaries, obviously with their finger on the pulse of public opinion. Posted by: Megan on July 8, 2005 03:03 PM
"sensible speculation" Uh, I don't think Alterman knows what that word means. The sensible speculation would unavoidably focus on Al Qaeda. What's Alterman's idea of "sensible"? Speculating that perhaps the Tripods did it? Seriously, his is the worst use of the word "sensible" in a sentence since the arrival of the Slim-Fast diet. Cheers, Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge on July 8, 2005 03:06 PM
These are exactly the sort of people who would have been weeded out before technology dulled the blade of evolution and survival of the fittest. "I know that alligator ate the guy in front of me when he stepped into the water, but... Posted by: TheDude on July 8, 2005 03:07 PM
Don't rush to judgement on 50 innocent people being blown to pieces and another 700 people maimed and injured. But let's rush to judgement on every two-bit conspiracy theory you can think of (as long as we can stick to Chimpy McHitler!) Posted by: Leftist on July 8, 2005 03:15 PM
This is actually one of the few statements ever made by Alterman that I have not found offensive. Note his phrasing: So let's all try to resist the urge to exploit the tragedy to demonstrate how right we were about everything To me, he's not only talking to his opponents, but also asking people like Oliver Willis and Atrios refrain from the kind of crap they slapped up on the screen yesterday (to no avail, obviously). Also, I don't think he was saying "let's not rush to judgment on whether the perpetrators were bastards." I don't see the problem there. Plenty of problems at Atrios and Oliver Willis, who will certainly keep us safe if Fox News correspondents ever try to storm our beaches. Posted by: Hubris on July 8, 2005 03:23 PM
Ace, I almost, almost was going to write something along the lines of what Hubris did, that Mr. Alterman may have meant that we before we judge we should have conclusive information. Almost. That is until I read this: Wow. ... If Mr. Alterman were to have his way, and I write this advisedly, we would all be dead and tens of millions Iraqis would still and forever suffer. Words.Fail.Me. Posted by: MeTooThen on July 8, 2005 03:40 PM
Alterman is still a serious douche nozzle, any way you look at it. In his world, George Bush is personally responsible for everything that's ever gone wrong in the world, with the only exception (perhaps) being events that clearly preceded W's first term -- though in those cases, Alterman just shifts the blame to either Bush Sr. or Ronald Reagan. I find his oh-so-predictable crapola literally unreadable. And so, if I had my way, I'd just bend Mallory over a sofa and drill the crap out of her for a couple of hours. Just sayin'. Posted by: 12" Saturday Night on July 8, 2005 04:00 PM
This is an example of what deserves an Acing as opposed to a fisking. I would start but what I almost posted was not really funny as much as it was really, really mean. Lots of references to penis breath and shagging little boys. Posted by: Dman on July 8, 2005 04:06 PM
Hubris - Actually, I did find that sentence highly offensive, due to Alterman's use of the word "tragedy" to describe what happened. A tragedy is when a kid dies of leukemia. A tragedy is when a ship hits an iceberg and most of its passengers drown. A tragedy is when an earthquake strikes in Iran and thousands of people are killed when their houses fall on them. Et cetera, et cetera. This, on the other hand, was not a tragedy - it was an attack, a terrorist act, an act of war, a crime, etc., etc. People will debate which of those terms to use, but all of them - unlike the word "tragedy" which implies something that just sort of happens - don't obscure the reality that someone, or more likely several someones - did this, deliberately. The use of the word "tragedy" here, just as it was used after 9/11, is a subtle way of taking the focus off the fact that someone did this on purpose (and the corresponding questions of who it was that did it, and what is to be done to them in return), and redirecting it inward, to wallow in grief, sorrow, regret, and ultimately, fatalistic acceptance of what happened. Posted by: Alex on July 8, 2005 04:28 PM
Eh, the word doesn't necessarily carry that connotation. Bush called 9/11 a "national tragedy" right after it happened, and I don't think he was trying to take the focus off the deliberate acts of the terrorists. Posted by: Hubris on July 8, 2005 04:42 PM
When faced with the choice of giving Alterman the benefit of the doubt, I always choose "no". Not sure why really. I guess I just don't like the cocksucker. Posted by: Dave in Texas on July 8, 2005 04:48 PM
Hubris, Yes, but then, Bush used other words too, like murder and stuff. The real left -- the genuine left, the left that needn't worry about public opinion as politicians do -- tends to avoid such "judgmental" language. Posted by: ace on July 8, 2005 04:52 PM
I am appalled that anyone would attempt to save me from the sexual predations, deviant or otherwise, of Laurie Dhue. Go save someone else. Posted by: ThomasD on July 8, 2005 05:00 PM
Hmm...I agree that language is important (see Meryl Yourish's nice post on the [non]use of the "Terrorist" word), but I do tend to give anyone anywhere on the political spectrum the benefit of the doubt if neither the plain meaning of the language, nor the context, is incriminating. I know I seem to be a mamby-pamby word-parser, but I'm just generally opposed to overreading of alleged subtext (whether the subject is political or not). It's like my argument years ago with my sister--I disagreed with her assertion that Forrest Gump had racist undertones just 'cause the black guy got killed and the retarded white guy got rich. I was like, dude, a white guy got his legs blown off! And a white woman got AIDS and stuff! The subtext we're leery of just isn't there sometimes, I think. Posted by: Hubris on July 8, 2005 05:01 PM
Trent Lott sure could of used you Hubris. Posted by: Dman on July 8, 2005 05:11 PM
You should write more about "deviant sexual predations of Laurie Dhue". Sex sells ya' know. Posted by: kbiel on July 8, 2005 05:13 PM
I sense a Cinemax sequel in the works: "Man-Handled: The Greatest Fucking Thing That Ever Fucking Happened to Me In My Entire Fucking Life 2: The Deviant Sexual Predations Of Laurie Dhue" Posted by: Lord Floppington on July 8, 2005 07:56 PM
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"The end of the two party system in the UK" as first the Fake Conservatives and now Labour chooses political suicide rather than simply STOPPING THE INVASION
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No political party that is NOT also a doomsday religious cult would EVER choose a cataclysmic loss -- and possible extinction as a party -- to support a toxically unpopular favoritism of NON-CITIZEN ILLEGAL MIGRANTS over actual citizen voters.
Only a cult does this.
Now they've lost 84%.
Annunziata Rees-Mogg Update: They've now lost 88% of the seats they're defending. As I mentioned earlier, I think I heard that London will not bail them out, as many of those Labour seats will probably flip to "Muslim Independent" or Green. Detroit's 5am vote will not save them.
Yup, Labour is losing 80% of its seats...
The British Patriot Wow, up to 1700-2100 seats. It's not incredible that this is happening. It's incredible that the Davos crowd is so absolutely determined to privilege Muslim "migrants" over the actual native population who elects them, no matter how loudly the natives scream that they want to be prioritized, that they will gladly self-extinguish as a party rather than simply representing the interests of their own voters. Astonishing. Remember, when they call other people "cultists" -- they are the ones so imprisoned in their social reinforcement and discipline bubbles that they will choose political death rather than dare upset the Karen Enforcement Officers of their cult. Update: Now they've lost 83% of the seats they were defending. (((Dan Hodges))) Nick Lowles
STARMERGEDDON: In early returns, Reform gains 135 seats, Labour loses 90, the Fake Conservatives lose 36 (and I didn't even know they could fall any further), the Lib Dems lose 4, and the Greens gain 6. Note that the only other party gaining seats is the Greens and they're only gaining a handful of seats.
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Updates on the Labour collapse in council elections -- which wags are calling #Starmergeddon -- from Beege Welborne. There are about 5000 seats up for grabs, Labour is expected to lose 1,800, Reform will probably gain 1,580, up from... zero. So this would be more than that.
People claim that while Labour has adopted the Sharia Agenda to appeal to the million Muslims it allowed to migrate to the country, those voters are ditching Labour to vote for the Muslim Independent Party or the Greens. Delicious. This shadenfreude is going straight to my thighs. Oh, and if Starmer loses about as badly as expected, Labour will toss him out of a window Braveheart style and replace him. He will announce he is resigning to spend more time with his Gay Ukrainian Male Prostitutes.
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