Intermarkets' Privacy Policy
Support


Donate to Ace of Spades HQ!


Contact
Ace:
aceofspadeshq at gee mail.com
Buck:
buck.throckmorton at protonmail.com
CBD:
cbd at cutjibnewsletter.com
joe mannix:
mannix2024 at proton.me
MisHum:
petmorons at gee mail.com
J.J. Sefton:
sefton at cutjibnewsletter.com


Recent Entries
Absent Friends
Captain Whitebread 2026
Jon Ekdahl 2026
Jay Guevara 2025
Jim Sunk New Dawn 2025
Jewells45 2025
Bandersnatch 2024
GnuBreed 2024
Captain Hate 2023
moon_over_vermont 2023
westminsterdogshow 2023
Ann Wilson(Empire1) 2022
Dave In Texas 2022
Jesse in D.C. 2022
OregonMuse 2022
redc1c4 2021
Tami 2021
Chavez the Hugo 2020
Ibguy 2020
Rickl 2019
Joffen 2014
AoSHQ Writers Group
A site for members of the Horde to post their stories seeking beta readers, editing help, brainstorming, and story ideas. Also to share links to potential publishing outlets, writing help sites, and videos posting tips to get published. Contact OrangeEnt for info:
maildrop62 at proton dot me
Cutting The Cord And Email Security
Moron Meet-Ups

Texas MoMe 2026: 10/16/2026-10/17/2026 Corsicana,TX
Contact Ben Had for info





















« Deep Throat and Press Vanity | Main | Hasselhoff: Either KITT Talks, or I'se Walks »
June 06, 2005

The New York Times and Outing the CIA's Covert Air Wing

Good article exploring the possible motivations for the New York Times new policy of "Loose lips sink ships, and that's a good thing:"

A close friend of mine, who is an intelligence specialist in the US Army, departs soon for Iraq. It is quite clear to me that the New York Times article has increased by some significant amount the risk to his life. The forces lethally opposed to the USA are currently under great pressure, perhaps stretched in their own intelligence-gathering mission, and may well find the specifics of the article highly valuable in targeting their efforts. Even if the intelligence services change their contractors and their general pattern of interaction with civilian business, these measures will take time and incur other, unknown risks.

If my friend dies in his tour of duty I shall be thinking very specifically about Mr. Scott, Mr. Grey, and Ms. Williams. Quite likely they would have had nothing particularly to do with this misfortune. However, human nature being what it is, I know that I would not be able to exclude them from my meditations. If the authors were just publishing their article to get a chance at a Pulitzer, I really have no moral quarrel with them at all, any more than I would have with a crocodile that eats a child or a raccoon that raids my larder. However, if they do have a moral identity as human beings, they should know that, if a certain civilian plane comes down over an unnamed Middle Eastern country, and all the US personnel aboard are killed, there is one compatriot who will regard them as murderers. May they think of this as they look in the mirror.

I think the motivation is pretty clear myself. The New York Times opposes virtually all covert action and feels a greater good is accomplished by making it as difficult as possible to engage in such activities.

They are also under the misimpression that the American public opposes this sort of shadow war, and if we only knew "the facts," we'd demand our government shut these programs down.

Talk about living in a coccoon.

This was a reckless and dangerous piece to write. It wouldn't even occur to most people in the media to publish such sensitive details about a very important covert program. But the Times believes it knows better than the American government, the American military, and (of course) the American people, and it "knows" in its collective heart that it's more important to thwart the CIA than to protect national secrets as any good American might.

Thanks to my lovely co-host Karol.

Ask The Ombudsman: RDBrewer notes the Times' "public editor's" email address is public@nytimes.com.

He suggests that you ask the New York Times about its reasoning and justification for revealing such delicate information when the story could easily have been written in broad strokes avoiding any sensitive invormation.

His own letter:

Dear Public Editor:

What could possibly be the justification for publishing C.I.A. Expanding Terror Battle Under Guise of Charter Flights by Scott Shane, Stephen Grey, and Margo Williams? Is there some greater public good here that hasn't been identified in the article or anywhere else? Has there been some transgression of the law? What exactly was being uncovered here and for whom? (Other than the kinds of planes America's enemies might want to consider targeting.) There must be some reason why NYT editors considered it acceptable to increase the risk to American lives with such specifics. What is it?

If one of these planes now goes down, how will the NYT answer questions about causing American deaths?


posted by Ace at 12:56 PM
Comments



Here is the NYT public editor's email address: public@nytimes.com. And here is my contribution:

Dear Public Editor:

What could possibly be the justification for publishing C.I.A. Expanding Terror Battle Under Guise of Charter Flights by Scott Shane, Stephen Grey, and Margo Williams? Is there some greater public good here that hasn't been identified in the article or anywhere else? Has there been some transgression of the law? What exactly was being uncovered here and for whom? (Other than the kinds of planes America's enemies might want to consider targeting.) There must be some reason why NYT editors considered it acceptable to increase the risk to American lives with such specifics. What is it?

If one of these planes now goes down, how will the NYT answer questions about causing American deaths?

Posted by: rdbrewer on June 6, 2005 01:40 PM

William Teccumsa Sherman once said that he treated reporters "like spies, which in fact, they are."

It is a great pity that the bratty middle-aged children at the NYT can count on the responsability of the grownups in the Bush administration to not draw even more attention to this story by prosecuting or condeming it. I'd bet a lot of money this makes them (the jerk-off news people charged with nothing more than finding stories that sell newspapers) feel very clever and "smarter" than those charged with the security of this country and this world. But this shit's gotta stop!

As usual, it is left up to us to do it. And the only way stop the Liberal press is to boycott them and their sponsors.

THE RIGHT MUST BOYCOTT!

Posted by: 72NAZIS on June 6, 2005 02:12 PM
May they think of this as they look in the mirror.
Don't bet on it.
Posted by: apotheosis on June 6, 2005 02:13 PM

It's been 30 f'n' years and we are STILL dealing with the impact of the Church hearings on our intelligence agencies.

Posted by: Dave in Texas on June 6, 2005 02:13 PM

You know they've been accusing the military of deliberately targetting them (Jordan, Foley) what would happen if the military really did start wacking these guys? It'd be like a tree falling in the forrest, would anyone care?

Posted by: Iblis on June 6, 2005 02:15 PM

Why should the NYT care? No one's going to do anything about treason, no one's going to get whacked, and it sells papers (something the NYT has had a harder time doing lately).

So what if a few hundred people get killed because they aren't smart enough to keep their traps shut (giving them the benefit of the doubt, that they are loyal Americans), or because they can't stand the thought of our country being The Big Dawg and want to bring it to its knees in favor of our enemies (not giving them the benefit of the doubt, thus making them traitors)?

It is internationally chic to hate America. Too bad they favor internationalism instead of patriotism, even if it does cause deaths to Americans.

Posted by: Carlos on June 6, 2005 02:25 PM

rdbrewer

SPOTTED-SHIP-SANK-SAME. SPOTTED-TREASON- SENT-SAME.

Posted by: 72 Lords 'a Leaping on June 6, 2005 03:14 PM

If one of these planes now goes down, how will the NYT answer questions about causing American deaths?

Uh, Bush lied?

Posted by: on June 6, 2005 03:29 PM

Iblis almost said what I was going to post.

Alert Foley and Eason. Journalists are targeting soldiers.

Posted by: tom scott on June 6, 2005 05:22 PM

I hope there's a precedent for a treason case here. Failing that, I sleep more soundly knowing that at the very least there's a special corner of hell reserved for this type of sub-human.

Posted by: James on June 6, 2005 06:11 PM

I am confused.

Is the NYT working for Al Qaida or is Al Qaida working for the NYT?

Posted by: Jake on June 6, 2005 07:17 PM

I think J. Jonah Jameson is the editor in cheif at the New York Times. We can only hope they put their online content on a pay per view basis soon. And then The Justice department can supeana their online subcribers lists to find the jihadis that way.

Posted by: on June 6, 2005 08:27 PM

"The New York Times opposes virtually all covert action and feels a greater good is accomplished by making it as difficult as possible to engage in such activies."

Consider what "news" based on "anonymous sources" really is. If this isn't "covert action" then why is the Times fighting disclosure in court? The NY Times (and more generally, the MSM) are demanding via the courts that the press - and only the press - is entitled to secrecy in how they accomplish their "missions."

Posted by: on June 6, 2005 09:07 PM

They really are dumb. The sort of people they aggravate with crap like this are not people you want mad at you. They aren't people you want to be on the same planet with if they're mad at you.

If a few Times reporters drop off the face of the Earth, don't be too shocked.

Posted by: SGT Dan on June 6, 2005 10:15 PM

To: public@nytimes

Many, many thanks for this informative article. I trust your considered judgement that "outing" Bush administration CIA covert chickenhawks will endanger no "right-thinking" American so much as the Bush administration, itself, endangered deep covert Arlington operative Valerie Plame's role as a CIA agent. Let them eat yellowcake, as they always say. And thank goodness you guys have the superior DNA-imbued IQ and Rhodes Scholar education to know these things with metaphysical (thanks McLaughlin) certitude.

Would revealing sources for this report endanger the lives, reputations, or potential financial viability of your sources or yourselves? Of course it would! But I certainly share your conviction that non-source operatives deserve euthanasia by ground-to-air missile - (a simple pious editorial on your pay site about misguided martyrdom would be a nice consolation prize for the no-neck orphans). Anyway, I sincerely hope one day you'll get a chance to go to court to protect your sources. Meanwhile, just want to applaud the courage of your convictions. Remember, always speak truth to power:
"Th newspaper does ivrything f'r us. It runs th' polis foorce an' th' banks, commands th' milishy, controls th' ligislachure, baptizes th' young, marries th' foolish, comforts th' afflicted, afflicts th' comfortable, buries th' dead an' roasts thim aftherward."

God bless Woodward & Bernstein & Little Dan, too,
Courage!

Posted by: on June 6, 2005 10:40 PM
Post a comment
Name:


Email Address:


URL:


Comments:


Remember info?








Now Available!
The Deplorable Gourmet
A Horde-sourced Cookbook
[All profits go to charity]
Top Headlines
Trump: Ukraine War 'Thousands of Miles Away' is 'Nothing to Do' with America Russia isn't threatening to kill Americans! [CBD]
Update to Gavin Newsom Under Investigation story: This investigation was begun under Senor Dementia:
Adam Housley
@adamhousley

As I have reported several times and now acknowledged by the Governor of California... Gavin and his wife are under federal investigation... what he failed to tell you... This began during the Biden Admin. Kind of a big detail.
Teen Driver Tayvin Galanakis Wins Jury Trial Against Officers Who Charged Him With DUI Even After He Blew 0.0 on A Breathalyzer And Passed Sobriety Tests. One Officer Accounted For 72% of All DUI Arrests For That PD [dri]
Days before the woman was stabbed in the neck by a taxpayer-supported Cultural Enrichment Officer, in the same general area, another taxpayer-supported Cultural Enrichment Officer attacked a boy and bloodied his head with a brick.
What is the UK Regime's plan for protecting the citizens from the savage criminals they've foisted on the populace? They offer NONE. They do, however, have a plan for protecting the savage criminals from the citizens: The citizens must STAY CALM and not get angry and not share videos of citizens being attacked by savage criminals.
The public keeps saying "protect us from the foreign savages you have imported against our wishes and over our objections" and the UK branch of The Regime keeps proposing plans to protect the foreign savages from the public. Soclose to what the public is demanding, just, you know, the complete opposite.
Just a thought: Maybe you wouldn't have to worry about the public attacking the savage criminals if you actually introduced a plan to protect the public from the savage criminals. Maybe they wouldn't feel as if it was necessary for them to protect the public through self-help.
Courtney Subramiam, one of the "journalists" who "previewed" her questions for the decrepit and demented Biden so that he could "answer" it with a pre-scripted response, rewarded by promotion to president of the White House Press Corps
Bonchie
@bonchieredstate

hahahahaha

This is the lady who gave her question to Biden beforehand, and he had it written verbatim in his notes with her picture.

You know what's really terrible? There are Daily Signal reporters in the press room. That's the Real Scandal Here!
You might think that movie critics by nature are effeminate and bitchy, but, did you know that grass is green and red peppers are red?
CJN podcast 1400 copy.jpg
Podcast: Sefton and CBD bounce around from Maine and its pet Nazi, to the cracks in the Democrat messaging, to the failure of California and its effect on the 2028 election, sea drones rescuing Apache crews, and more!
Seattle mayor shrugs off millionaire-tax concerns as 44% of business leaders consider leaving
It happens in all the blue states, but WA and Seattle will be different! [CBD]
Mary Margaret Olohan
@MaryMargOlohan

NEW: Five FBI employees were fired today over the infamous Richmond Catholic memo on "radical traditionalist Catholics," FBI source confirms to @realDailyWire.
Oof. Reviewers do not like Scary Movie 6. The criticism I keep hearing is that the movie mistakes a reference for an actual joke. The movie (they say) keeps Key Jangling a reference to another movie (or some other pop culture ephemera) and you expect there to be a joke but nope, the Key Jangle was the joke. Other reviewers say that the promise that "no lines will be uncrossed" is a fake-out, and that the movie is bland and inoffensively corporate.
Recent Comments
Archimedes: "Viewed from the proper angle, the flak tower looks ..."

IllTemperedCur: " 251 239 Concur. Posted by: gp at June 18, 2026 ..."

The Tooks: "On females, hairy feet are best feet. ..."

Wolfus Aurelius, Dreaming of Elsewhere [/i] [/s] [/b]: "[i]I forget why or how (both of my wives shaved th ..."

But not too closely : "237 I don't see the tats in the Obama portrait. P ..."

Bulg: "Has Bulg posted about waagshambas yet? Posted by: ..."

...: "Ha! They DID use MLK. So predictable. ..."

heya: "" The guy has a video where he tells a girl (prob ..."

tubal: "Is there REALLY is Vance/Rubio fight, or is this s ..."

Reforger: "I forget why or how (both of my wives shaved their ..."

Ian S.: "[i]I don't see the tats in the Obama portrait.[/i] ..."

gp: "I'm configuring svxlink to set up an Echolink syso ..."

Bloggers in Arms
Some Humorous Asides
Archives