Wow. Utterly amazing. I'll give this guy the benefit of the doubt and assume he's still in shock, but still.

Gore 2008. . . "Nothing This Evil Ever Dies."

Yeah, that'll win us over.

Sigh. Can't the Dems implode in private? Out of sight? It's unseemly. I'm worried about getting smothered in Paul Krugman's entrails, or watching Chris Matthews' head explode ala Scanners.

Actually, that last bit would be kinda cool. Especially if a shard of Matthews' skull struck Ron Reagan dead between the eyes.

Cheers,
Dave

These people are so fucking delusional.

Oh yes, a 'Southern' Democrat will save you, YOU FRIGGING IDIOTS!
This guy couldn't carry his home state!! Oh wait, no, my bad, he DID take D.C.!

And in case you haven't noticed, he's been giving passionate S.O.T.U. speeches to a congregation of headless babydolls in his basement.

They are rummaging around in the crazybox for clues. It would be funny, if it weren't also alarming...

Hey, don't get me wrong. I'm all for the new "work-safe Ace". But still, do we really need the **s for words like "frigging"?

1. Dems have Gov Mark Warner of Virginia and ex-Gov Evan Bayh of Indiana if they are tired of going with the usual liberal Senator and losing. But keep it quiet! Let the Dems go with "Senator Gone" - the Breck girl, Sen. Hillary, or Mr. "I;m black and have no record or experience but I am charismatic and give great speeches" Barack Obama.

2. An alternate observation of the Red State - Blue state map of counties. As most people noted, most of NY, Pennsylvania, California, Illinois, Oregon, Washington, and Michigan is as Red as the rest of America.

A. Some blue area is attributable to high black rural populations and city black political machines - patches of blue all along the lower Mississippi, DC, Detroit.
B. Some blue area is due to old-time ethnic Democrat machines - the Irish Chicago, Boston ones.
C. And a few are blue hold-outs from earlier Dem New Deal times - like portions of Appalachia in W. Virginia, Kentucky - and Northern Minnesota.

D. But most of the blues areas track where Jews live in significant numbers and exert significant financial, organizational, and media influence locally over populations that are not really locked into Jewish or Democratic values and goals.

As Richard Cohen wrote in his article:

It is paradoxical that the Democratic Party, which is so beholden to Jews for energy, funds and ideas, has not looked into a mirror and noticed something odd. No matter how rich the Jewish community got, no matter how powerful, it continued to vote overwhelmingly Democratic... Not by it's economic self-interest...(but by consonance of Jewish values with Democrat policies)

That suggests that the best way to convert most of the blue areas to red is to either convert the Jews to Republicanism or to pry away the non-Jewish populations from Jewish influence in blue areas. Republicans have tried the first approach for years - with tax cut policies and support for Israel - without ever getting the level of Jewish support they sought. The other approach would be to try to pull away the other Democratic populations whose values diverge from Jewish values. Especially Hispanics, gov't employees, and blacks (at least on cultural and religious values, blacks diverge from Jews). Cohen notes that the Democrats are still strongly dependent on Democratic Jews, despite Jews only being 2% of the electorate. And presumably, because of their ability to leverage other people to vote reliably for the Democratic ticket.

Republicans can try for those rural holdouts, the Irish machine ones - but the most bang for the buck seems to be going after the city populations that are strongly influenced by Democratic Jews. That would require the Republicans to stress the commonality of most of their values with those populations and meet them on some issues to disprove the propaganda they have been fed that Republicans are only the Party of wealthy white Christians

HA! Please let this be the way they move forward (by going in reverse). If only just to hear Darrell Hammond (of SNL) drone on about a "lockbox" in his uncanny Gore-ish twang.

This article also has a very revealing phrase, indicative of the childishness of the newly-defunct Democratic party: "From a Democratic perspective, what this country needs is a good recession." So the Dem mindset is, if we can't win, then EVERYONE should suffer. How mature.

Thanks, Cedarford, for giving us a history lesson in political strategy of the thirties, but can you tell us what relevance this has to today's political environment?

Andrea,

No. He can't. He's only interested in being an anti-semite.

Ah yes, BrewFan, it is indeed anti-Semitic to agree with the conclusions of Richard Cohen, the noted anti-Semite.

No doubt you consider any criticism of black democratic leadership to be racist. And - Efforts to pry woman away from the Democratic feminists misogynistic. Did I complete your PC list? Or are there any other Democrats that are also above targeting or criticism???

Dummy!

Andrea Harris - For years, the Democrat elites and the media organs they controlled attacked the Midwest and South for new voters, while the Republicans concentrated on strengthening their base there. The Republi\cans won. Now it is time to go after the heartland of the Democrats - the cities - and pry the people there who don't share many of the Democratic Party values away from the Black, union, and Jewish leadership there. There is no history lesson given by me - only maps and the current facts on the ground. That many loyal Democrats do not share their leadership's values - they are more loyal, nationalistic pro-American, interested in work - not handouts, and more culturally conservative - than city Democratic leadership is.

Wow, that's right! Ced agrees with a Jooooooooo. Get him off that "tax cuts for the wealthy" crap and there might be hope for him yet.

Actual Richard Cohen is on to something (remember a stopped clocked is right twice a day). No, not his comment that the Democrats should nominate Gore in 2008. In that case he was his usual delusional self. However, when he stated that the Jews vote as if the Cossacks were coming to get them, then he is on to something. Jews are afraid of a resurgence of anti-Semitism. Given the last two thousand years of history, they would have to be crazy if they weren’t. If that is true, then why don’t they vote for Republicans when it is the Left wing of the Democrat party that is virulently anti-Semitic? The reason is simple. Jews still believe that the anti-Semites are in the right wing of the Republican party. When I bring up the issue of anti-Semitism among Left-wing Democrats, I am constantly told by my fellow Jews that the Republican party is also anti-Semitic. Somehow, they still believe that Pat Buchanan is a member in good standing of the Republican Party.

Cedarford,

Your anti-semitism is blatant and defies your attempts to camouflage it. Why not just admit it and we can go from there. Also, your strawman argument about me being PC is pretty weak. Is that the best you can do?

BTW, that dummy remark cut me to the quick.

A map of jewish population concentration in the USA for those curious who wish to see how closely it overlays with "Democratic blue".

http://www.glenmary.org/grc/RCMS_2000/maps/Jewish.jpg

Nierorent had some good points there. Where the Buchananites and other Right-wingers clashed with the Jews, it has been over side issues: Immigration, Hollywood's corrupting the culture, isolationism, distrust of the coastal elites. Whereas the Left's antipathy is visceral - on matters of wealth, discrimination against non-Jews in Israel, "oppression of the poor brown people" type of issues. Overseas, the Jews barely escaped a massive purge in the Soviet Union when Stalin became convinced the Jews had turned on him. Extensive death lists were prepared - but then Stalin died. Also, in America, the worst feelings against Jews are in the black community and in the old Southern Democrats.

Be that as it may, the issue from a Republican standpoint is how to win the people in the blue areas that don't agree with liberal Jewish values and the values of others in the Democratic elite, but have voted that way because the elites there have had superior money and organizational skills. Which convinced others they are watching their backs.

Winning means attacking back. After years of scorn and media manipulation aimed at the middle of America and the "less educated" people needing wise Democrats to protect them, the Republicans never went into the Dem power bases. Instead, the Republicans defended their home turf, sought to complete their takeover of the South. Those days are over. And the natural attack is to go after the elites that exercise undue influence on the urban Democratic masses, while at the same time convincing a good portion of the masses there that the Republicans will watch out for them better than the Dems have.

Sometimes, when you set on people because you think they might be Cossacks, when they aren't, it makes them think you consider them enemies - and then you fulfill the prophecy of creating enemies where none existed before.

That means trying to blunt the power of the media more, cutting down on patronage machines in the cities - and convincing blacks, Hispanics, and women that the masters of the Democratic party - the small elite of black professionals, liberal gentiles, and liberal Jews does not speak for them.

Brewfan - From your comments it appears you are a racist and a child molester. Now that it is settled, can we move on?

I love ad hominem attacks as much as the next guy, but Cedarford has a point. The Republican Party has pretty much locked up "flyover country". The county by county vote is nice, but as Ace has pointed out, those little blue islands gave the Democrats 250 something electoral votes and the bulk of fifty million votes. Something to keep in mind is that if a handful of Democratic counties went Republican it would have a disproportionate effect on the electorate. If Cuyahoga county could have been successfully courted by Republicans, Ohio would never had been considered a swing state. Standing still is not a viable long term strategy.

If Richard Cohen is informing the Democratic party, I will sleep more easily for the next twenty-odd years.

Alex -

Exactly! Diverting from the ad hominems...the Repubs pretty much have flyover country locked up and the Dems still control 250 Electoral Votes by their lock on coastal and Great Lakes population centers. Which Republicans have yet to really go after. They can't stand still. They have to go to the blue metropolises and convince the masses there that they are not best represented by quiche-eating, volvo-driving gentiles - or the black trial lawyers - or liberal Jew elites. And their cultural pet projects of "bettering" the masses.

Within the blue zones, there is no love of the devoted black lawyer who preaches criminal rights then safely retires to his NJ or Simi Valley retreat at night. Or the liberal Jew who demands more rent and spare change welfare from the government for the minorities who occupy the 40 rental apartment buildings and 7 liquor stores his family owns - since they are all helpless victims of society. Or the holy white liberal Democrat who urges whites in Queens, Hispanics in Crown Heights, blacks in South Central, and Asians in Little Korea to become as educated as she is - to dispell their cultural ignorances.

That's really the Dem's Achilles heel - that the Dem elites have for 2 generations talked down to the masses there in the metropolitan areas as victims or inferiors - but they should vote for the elites as a way to make things get better while the elites get all the power and wealth - and it is resented wildly. The Republicans, if they can break the lip clamp they have on Plutocrat buttocks elsewhere and meet city populations halfway - have an extraordinary opportunity to rout the black, Jewish, and liberal white gentile elites that control the Blue Bastions.

Ahh, but time to get back to retaliatory ad hominems again..."smack, smack, sluurp!" the sounds of BrewFan's mouth on the boots of those professional urban Democrat elites. They are above singling out, or criticism in BrewFans mind...To do so would be so un-PC!

I'm not any sort of expert, but I suspect momentum favors the Republicans right now. Bush significantly improved his performance in places like New York and New Jersey, etc. The Democrats are reeling, have no message, and no leaders. 2002 and 2004 have been like back to back St. Valentine's Day Massacres for them. Republicans have an uphill battle against decades of inertia, local opinion and press that considers them to be just barely better than child molesters, and the matter of breaking the entitlement habit. On the plus side, Republican governors have showed that it is possible to elect Republicans to office in these places. I suspect that explicitly stating the basic Republican philosophy, the positions and the reasons for them, may bring surprising results. Show the blue staters the reasoning behind the positions and see if they come around. It may very well be the first time they ever came into contact with the ideas. Shake their faith in the "Mommy Party".

With all due respect, Cedarford, I don't think that the Republicans should imitate the Democrats' methods of treating ethnic groups like monolithic blocks of pod people that all think alike. But hey, that's just me, a Rethuglican hater of all that is good and true. Do these jackboots make me look fat? Be honest now.

Andrea - with honest respect back....

1. The Republicans should treat the masses in the Democratic bastions as Americans 1st - with the promise of a better life on their own merits with the Republicans with them and helping them achieve that success - but not taxing the crap out of them as Democrats do, to then dangle "trinkets for no-loads" out to them saying that they deserve it because they are victims of America. And that special favors await those who best serve the annointed few Democrat black, Jewish, and liberal white power brokers.

Obviously, polysci wonks have broken various constituent groups down into demographic marketing niches - so even if the Republicans have a universal message - they know better than address El Salvadoran immigrants in French, or transfer their rural Nevada message about water rights to rural Maine voters swimming in it. The masses in the Democratic bastions should not be treated as pod people, but as fellow Americans offered a better deal from Republicans than they are getting from the elite bosses and Democratic culture mavens that have told them what to think so far. And that means prying them away from the present schmucks that have "led" them for decades.

Do jackboots make you look fat? Hmmmmm! Well, women are the best judge of when too much lift from heels makes that sudden transformation from a slendering effect to making a gal look like a knockwurst propped up on toothpicks. Jackboots are the same. Just go to your local Biker Bar, Andrea. You will see bikerbabes in jackboots that have a fetching look, and you will see a 5'2" 170 pounder on 8 inch heels that will give you the knockwurst effect.....

CedarFord,

The responses I've heard lend themselves a bit to your argument. I'm hearing raw-nerve reactionary responses to what you're saying.

I think there is a post-Holocaust jewish mindset of "Never Again". Any hint of anti-semitism gets a quick response. Consider the reaction to Gibson's "The Passion..." before it even came out. Gibson, I believe, had no anti-semitic efforts in the work. But passion-plays, historically, have been extremely anti-semitic. So, many jews have a knee-jerk reaction based on a collective memory.

I think this is why they shy away from the Right. Historically, this is where the rubber met the road with respect to anti-semiticism in the form of Fascism. But I think the anti-semitic radar is out of whack now. It's not the Right that should be a concern, it's the Left. Should jews be concerned about anti-semiticism? You're damn right. Look at Europe. There's a wave of it, again, rising in Europe. But I don't think anyone would accuse Europe of being too Right. The irony is that the "Again" in "Never Again" could definitely happen again precisley because so much effort is put into watching out for it - IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.

Consider the following:

"BLANK should rot in Hell, said the BLANK"

Now, fill in the first blank with either "Ariel Sharon" or "Yasser Arafat" and the second blank with "Democrat" or "Republican". Which do you think fits where?

How can such a reversal take place? Remember, the extreme Left and extreme Right are so completely opposite that they are mirror (100% reversed) images of each other. So completely opposite that you can't tell them apart - just like the image you see in the mirror. The extreme Right now is the Islamic Fascists and the extreme Left are the appeasing, pacifist social-ists of Europe and Liberal America. What do they have in common? They both blame jews for everyting from terrorism to the common cold.

My two cents. Place nice, folks.

Cedarford,
I think there's some merit to your analysis, but when you use phrases like "liberal Jew elites," or talk about "the liberal Jew who demands more rent and spare change welfare from the government for the minorities who occupy the 40 rental apartment buildings and 7 liquor stores his family owns - since they are all helpless victims of society," you kinda come off like the angry crank who mimeographs a newsletter in his basement about how "Jews control all the money, and that's what's keeping us back." All I'm saying is that you might want to phrase things a little differently. Just trying to help.

And I think the stereotypes cut both ways, too. A lot of jewish Democrats think that the Republican party is full of those same angry cranks and 1950s-style country club assholes who crack anti-semitic jokes and blackball jewish girls out of sororities. This perception is still out there.

We've got to do a better job of reaching out to them (and other minority groups that the Dems take for granted), but the MSM isn't going to be any help in breaking down these stereotypes. I agree with Andrea Harris in that we have to appeal to individuals, not monolithic interest groups, and show them that their personal interests are actually the same as ours.

Cedarford,

You keep dodging the question: Are you anti-semitic? You can call me what you want and thats ok because there is no basis to it. Here are extracts of your comments from just this thread.

But most of the blues areas track where Jews live in significant numbers and exert significant financial, organizational, and media influence locally over populations...

Democrats are still strongly dependent on Democratic Jews, despite Jews only being 2% of the electorate. And presumably, because of their ability to leverage other people to vote reliably for the Democratic ticket.

but the most bang for the buck seems to be going after the city populations that are strongly influenced by Democratic Jews

A map of jewish population concentration in the USA for those curious who wish to see how closely it overlays with "Democratic blue".

Whereas the Left's antipathy is visceral - on matters of wealth, discrimination against non-Jews in Israel, "oppression of the poor brown people" type of issues. Overseas, the Jews barely escaped a massive purge in the Soviet Union when Stalin became convinced the Jews had turned on him. Extensive death lists were prepared - but then Stalin died. Also, in America, the worst feelings against Jews are in the black community and in the old Southern Democrats.

They can't stand still. They have to go to the blue metropolises and convince the masses there that they are not best represented by quiche-eating, volvo-driving gentiles - or the black trial lawyers - or liberal Jew elites

Or the liberal Jew who demands more rent and spare change welfare from the government for the minorities who occupy the 40 rental apartment buildings and 7 liquor stores his family owns - since they are all helpless victims of society.

If I had the time and inclination to go back in Ace's archives the body of evidence grows proportionally.

No group is immune from critisism but your rhetoric fails the smell test when it comes to Jews.

Sean M - Point taken. Though the 7 liquor store owning, apartment rental units owning example was a true one from a college roommates father - who was mugged outside one of his stores and the son raged - "After all the money he contributed to the NAACP, THIS is how they pay him back!!"

OK, make it a kindly Jewish lawyer who does pro bono work for Haitian immigrants challenging deportation....

Note that I used the black trial lawyer who is a criminal advocate, prominant Democrat, but who flees to the safety of his suburban home at night...and the quiche-eating, volvo-driving white liberal Democrat...certainly they were also stereotypes aimed at making comment on the Democrat elites running the masses in the cities. There is nothing monolithic about quiche-eating whites, I had a nice crab&sherry quiche myself recently, but if important groups exist and are involved in politics, you can't pretend they don't exist and instead atomize all groups into a common pile of undifferentiated individuals - that's not how society functions, let alone politics.

Brewfan - You are simply knee-jerking to any criticism of Jews in the Democratic Party, and playing the anti-Semitic card in an attempt to stifle criticism.

There are 3 components to the Democrat elite that speaks for the masses in the majority of the Blue Bastion cities. Professional blacks, liberal Jews, quiche-eating volvo-driving liberal white gentiles. And they don't really represent the masses in the cities that are coached to vote Democratic in their self-interest. Given further Republican gains are now up against a hard stop - 250 electoral votes and safe gerrymandered House Districts in the Blue Bastions that limit the Republicans to perhaps 250 seats maximum - the Republicans have to go in and seek to change fealty.

They can try to convert one of the three groups of the Democratic elite - and they have tried for years to do that with professional blacks and liberal Jews - or try a new approach and seek to pry the masses away from the elites that are far removed from the life and culture of the ordinary Joes.

Again BrewFan, the days are long gone when folks like you could scream "anti-Semitism!!" and automatically shut down any criticism of Jewish Democrats or Israel's foreign policy you disagreed with. Basically, "wolf" was cried out too much, and the Europeans, the Left, and many in mainstream America want an open, honest debate on the best ME policy for America, and the right to criticize or question certain Jewish activists of the Right or Left as freely as gentile white activists, and over the last 10 years, black activists are now criticized.

Those are just the facts. Deal with it.

The Democratic Party, which is so beholden to Jews for energy, funds, and ideas....

So, did you write your letter to R. Cohen, accusing him of anti-Semitism because he admitted to significant Jewish influence, yet???

Dear Johns - I wrote a long response to you, but ACE has a SPAM filter that wouldn't let me post because my message allegedly had the name of an erection drug involved in various SPAM scams in it - which it didn't!! I tried changing some words, but no luck. The SPAM filter still blocked my post. Stupid filter!! Leave a real email address the next time you post, and I'll send it to you.

My problem with Cedar is that he hammers that drum nearly every thread with almost a frothing sense of vigor. Your anger at them seems far beyond your anger at anyone else, not to mention to reality, so yes, that tips me off and yes, I continue to tune anything you say out. What you write might as well come straight from the Village Voice.

CedarFord,

The "erection drug" you're referring to would likely be cial-is. The filter kicks in on words like social-ist, because the offending word appears within it. That's why I put the hyphens in.

I would be interested in what you had to say, though. You're obviously a scotch drinker so you must be thoughtful.

I put the BS email address in because I like to remain anonymous but still want the Dear Johns handle to be highlighted on the post. I'm going to have to think of a different justification for that Handle now that John Sr. and John John have been given the boot.

Gore president - Joke of the year: )

marti