I've been disgusted with the red cross/red crescent for a long time. Not many people remember the slight that the RC gave to our WW2 vets when they returned back from the European theater after VE day. The RC charged them for cups of coffee in New York as they were getting off the ships that had carried them home. Would it have been too much to ask that the first cup be given freely?

Attaboy Ace.

I'll spread the word about this one...

That uses up the last drop of Red Cross credibility.

OTOH, the person making the comments to The Guardian did not appear to be expressing official Red Cross views.

I read Sullivan these days for the same reason I read Wonkette: material. He's bad and getting worse, and his posts about the deep psychological scars he bears from the Abu Ghraib scandal are the absolute fucking nadir. He sounds like Robert Hays in Airplane talking about how he'll never be over Macho Grande.

It's been about two minutes since I posted that last comment and I'd like to register my disappointment that no one has yet made the obvious Sullivan/"Win for the Zipper" pun. Tsk.

OT, this is pretty funny: Bardot.

I read Sullivan these days for the same reason I read Wonkette: material. He's bad and getting worse, and his posts about the deep psychological scars he bears from the Abu Ghraib scandal are the absolute fucking nadir. He sounds like Robert Hays in Airplane talking about how he'll never be over Macho Grande.

Very funny.

Of course you're right; Sullivan will never be over Macho Grande. He's barely over the breakup of Wham.

Just for a goof, I checked the "Airplane" movie quote page at IMDB to see what other Sully/Ted Striker comparisons might be drawn. Picture him huddled over the laptop with this internal dialogue:

"I've got to concentrate (echoing) . . . concentrate . . . concentrate. Hello? . . . hello? . . . hello? Pinch-hitting for Pedro Borbon: nine-inch uncut cock . . . cock . . . cock. . . ."

Attaboy, Ace!

The Red Cross is a leftist, anti-semetic organization and has been one for years. If you want to donate money, the guide dog center for the blind can always use donations, as can the local salvation army.

If we are done interrogating him, let's hand Saddam over to the families of his victims, starting with the Kurds.

In Sullivan's defense, Wham! was a quality musical act.

Guys,
Let's not mix up the INTERNATIONAL Red Cross/Red Crescent with the AMERICAN Red Cross. Granted, the American Red Cross like other super large charities has had it's problems with finances (although not as bad as the United Way), it doesn't compare to the classic politically correct NGO of it's International version.

I'm with JFH. There's a big difference between the American Red Cross handing out blankets after a tornado and the International Red Cross's horrid track record monitoring the signatories of the Geneva Conventions.

Alas, poor Sully.

He's all atwitter because Rumsfeld said it was okay to have dogs bark at bad guys.

Please.

And why is the Red Crescent an approved symbol of the IRC and the Magen David Adom is not?

You do the math.

Speculating here, but I think Sully's pissed due to the gay sex games we forced the AG boys to take part in. Had it been simply a matter of barking dogs and the occassional box-standing contest, I doubt he'd be so upset. But the use of gay sex to "torture" someone rests on the notion that said gay sex is bad - for it if weren't, why would it be so useful as an instrument of torture?
Anything that offends Sully in his status as uber-gay may is ipso facto the worst thing ever. Which is, I suppose, understandable, but it doesn't mean he's right.

The only problem here is that the 80% of Abu Ghraib detainess who weren't charged with a crime were not Baathist or terrorist POWs. They were common, petty criminals or *completely innocent people* who were mistakenly arrested.

Ace,

I'll echo JFH and Black Republican.

The American Red Cross is largely in the control of the Republican establishment (Libby Dole in the past, and their entire top management now are former military and fairly conservative.) The local chapters are largely staffed by mushy liberals, but that's because it's non-profit work. My wife worked at the local Red Cross for seven years. She just recently quit, but I can say with relative certainty that the American Red Cross is NOT the same (especially at senior mgmt levels) as the ICRC.

Well good. The Red Cross calls me nearly weekly for donations and I'm quite bored with their requests to travel 3 hours to give blood. Now when I say "no' I can give them a reason.

Maybe they aren't the same organizations, but they share names, and if the taint from the International one begins to affect the fundraising and activities of the American one, that will provide the incentive for the American one to disassociate or work to get the International one to clean up its act.

The Salvation Army would be a great replacement in the west for RC. They are a Christian organization, but they help anyone and don't try to cram religion down your throat while doing it.

Does the ARC send percentage of it's earnings to the IRC? A tithe if you will.

Torture itself is not so bad. Every country utilizes torture, especially those who signed the anti-torture treaty.

It's the silly type of torture practiced at Abu Ghraib with the risque photographs and the lack of professionalism, as if it were a wild party of leftists in a Village loft on a Friday night.

I agree, and I've said so.

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