To me, the guy looks like the classic pervert.

OT: I'm watching (for the first time) the new ABC show In Justice. While it looked kinda hippyish (it seems to have been sold as an Anti-Law&Order, where the crusading detectives reverse wrongful convictions), the chief lawyer just got thrown in jail for contempt, after throwing a temper tantrum when the judge ruled against him, proudly calls their group "The new weather underground"

So ABC considers this to be a good thing to compare their protaganists too?
(Slightly On Topic) IS the definitions of things like terrorist or torture so debased nowadays that cold pizza is a horror story and the weather underground is a heroic group?
Or is it just liberals and Hollywood who have fallen this far?

One of the fascinating little facts about Death Row is that inmates usually choose a last meal that they hope will sicken the prison coroner or cause various other nauseous effects post-mortem. This is in keeping with the general tendency in prison for the inmates to do lots of nasty things to make the guards' lives difficult, like placing body fluids in the letters which have to be examined by prison officials before mailing.
I am trying hard to remember a Death Row inmate who wasn't guilty of several crimes appropriate for the death penalty. Maybe there was one, but I'm drawing a blank.

Yeah, no matter how much they tried to flog that on football, it's obviously still a total losers' show.

I had hope for it to be at least a different take on police procedural dramas. Sure it's bias shows from the get go, but at least dramatacilly it could sustain a happier ending than CSI or L&O. Or so I hoped, at least until they did a very special episode about exonarting a Tookie cline.

Then they went and shot themselves in the foot from the get go.

Is there, nonetheless, a reason for the state to execute people?

No.

Well argued SSS! The way you linked your points together, each one supported by irrefutable evidence, was dazzling. And the way you didn't feel at all constrained by topicality or relevance - very liberating, I'm sure. But I don't think your rhetorical gifts are receiving their full due here. You should seek out like-minded robust intellects like yourself - shining stars in the firmament of the internet capable of dispensing with formal argumentation and simply stating the obvious truth.

Moron.

Geez, starshapedholeinethehead. At least I led off with an OT warning and still tried to link my wusings into the original topic. Try harder next time, as this time you just get a check minus.

Yeah, in Iran, death-row prisoners in that Muslim country get cold pizza: ham & pineapple.

Is there, nonetheless, a reason for the state to execute people?

Umm Scar yes there is... Executed people have a Recidivism rate of exactly 0 percent.

Hmm, I was always under the impression that these guys (and sometimes gals) rarely, if ever, actually eat their last meal. Nothing like certain death to ruin your appetite.
The Krauts on the other hand, what with a collapsing demographic, growing unassimilated Muslim population, low growth, 13% unemployment, and so on and so forth, have much bigger problems to worry about then capital punishment in the U.S. If death penalty opponents (I'm one of them) want to claim that innocent people are being put to death, then they need to name names, just one actually would be a good start. I'll temporarily drop my opposition in the case of Mumia though, I'd love to see that sob fry.

Is there, nonetheless, a reason for the state to execute people?

No.

Only in the case of marijuana law violations.

Otho -

You are going to force me in to scar's camp. Maybe we should make ogling of Asian women with cartoonishly large bosoms a death sentence crime.

Hey steve, here's what I did last week, like my old lacrosse coach used to tell me, "walk it off Laurence, walk it off".

So Justice makes a tasty breakfast then?

Otho

I like when the spectator says , "Ok, dude, what's wrong?"

This sort of moral equivalence nonsense gets old fast. It has real consequences, mainly in terms of inaction and indifference.

I am strongly against the death penalty. But I'm puzzled by the misguided tactics of so many other death penalty opponents. And, more to the point, comparing an imperfect American justice system to Iranian tyranny is just sickening. Tell that to Zahra Kazemi.

steve:
On the other hand the video at ogrish of those Russian girls jumping from the 6th floor of a burning building and landing on the concrete is legitimately disturbing stuff. I don't watch gore videos so (thank god) I'm not desensitized to that kind of thing, unlike the ogrish forum regulars, some truly monstrous people there. Saw the clip a few days ago and can't get it out my head.

This sort of moral equivalence nonsense gets old fast. It has real consequences, mainly in terms of inaction and indifference.

I am strongly against the death penalty. But I'm puzzled by the misguided tactics of so many other death penalty opponents. And, more to the point, comparing an imperfect American justice system to Iranian tyranny is just sickening. Tell that to Zahra Kazemi.

Yep, I hear you. My opposition is from a Catholic/anti-killing principle, but I look around and see that my compatriots on this issue try to turn it into a black/white racial issue, oppressor/oppressed (the murderer is the oppressed!), or even obviously guilty people, like Mumia, who just have the correct politics. The anti-capital punishment arguments are always based on bullshit left-wing politics and for that reason the movement is very unlikely to succeed or ever connect with mainstream it needs the support of.

Whenever the DP debate pops up, I'm reminded of Richard Speck. You remember him...murderer/rapist, sentenced to die, sentence overturned in "67 when the DP was declared unconstitutional in '67. Died in '91 after a massive heart attack.

5 years later, a video shows up of this idiot "rotting" in jail...complete with a taxpayer funded sex change and doing mounds of coke. Some justice.

Nothing can convince me that the DP is wrong for the guilty.

Is there, nonetheless, a reason for the state to execute people? No.

Oh, I think kidnapping a two year old, raping and torturing her, and then skinning her alive is an excellent reason to execute somebody. Or, instead, do you prefer we give this guy cold pizza once a week?

Its kind of like ABDUL JIMAL the glorified cop killer who has become the darling of the liberals including the jerks in hollywood

When Ed Koch had his radio show in NY, he used the Lindberg law as proof of deterrence with the death penalty. It is one of the few provable reasons to support the otherwise repugnant nationalization of crime laws.

I suspect that in Iran, the cold pizza doesn't even have pepperoni or sausage. MONSTERS!

If it does, don't ask what it was made from.

Roger Coleman was as guilty as sin he was made theposter boy for the liberals including making the front cover of the liberal rag TIME and now i guess they will try to proclaim CHARLES MANSON is inocent as well its too bad that idiot JERRY MOONBEAM BROWN was in office at that time in CALIFORNIA otherwise MANSON would be pushing up daisis by now