Ace, I apologize for this, totally off-topic, but have you seen the L.A. Times STD testing story off of Drudge yet?

Oh, and have you gotten my Christmas card yet?

Thanks,
Dave at Garfield Ridge

Jackass doesn't know that 'hoi' means 'the'.

He called us hoi polloi?

Did Mr. Raines then jump in his velocimobile and scoot off to an evening at the F. Scott Fitzgerald estate?

I work for a Redneck (Jeff Foxworthy, if you must know).

So I am really getting a kick out of most of these replies.

Some of you guys are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about.

But trust me.... You don't.

I think you just want to make yourself sound smart, when in reality you dont know what you are talking about.

This is how bad info gets passed around.

If you dont know about the topic....Dont make yourself sound like you do.

Cuz some AOSHQers belive anything they hear.

Apparently it doesn't bother him that his blunt speech harms his credibility even more. I guess when you're a super-genius things like that don't matter much.

ace, I'm curious, is redneck a racial remark? I mean, I get that it's deprecating (unless you're Jeff Foxworthy), but I never really associated "racism" with it. I'm curious what the folks think - perhaps this is a regional thing.

Or I could just be an idiot and not know the actual definition. That is always a possibility. If money is wagered, go with "he's dumb" every time.

If you "believe in letting the hoi polloi control the social and religious restrictions flowing from Washington, so long as Wall Street gets to say what happens to the nation’s money"...

you might be a redneck.

Huh???

So I am really getting a kick out of most of these replies.

So which one of the three replies preceeding your comment doesn't give you a kick?

Trust me, it's important.

Cordially...

The liberal bias of the MSM (with very few and recent exceptions) is a closed case. There's nothing left to argue anymore as the proofs show beyond doubt that these asshats are irredeemably leftist in political outlook and it shows in their work.

Its a fact of life. We deal with it. It's now nothing more than a source of amusement to me when MSM apologists get themselves worked up into a state of high dudgeon defending their work as nonpartisan or unbiased.

Liberal Bush-haters always seem to vacillate between saying that the Bush administration are a "far right" cabal who implement deeply unpopular ideas and through the power of election fraud, and that Bush really does have a wide base of support, and the real fault is with all those mouth-breathing redneck "sheeple" of Middle America. Can't have it both ways, of course - either most Americans are stupid, or they're not. I guess it depends on how well Bush is doing in the polls that day.

> So which one of the three replies preceeding your comment doesn't give you a kick?

Well, if you are serious, which I suspect a tint of sarcasm, the first post was OT, so I was not counting it in the "kick" count.

Now that I think about it, you may as well throw yours into the count.

Why bother even arguing points about why all this is wrong. Right, the false consciousness keeps me, in no way amember of hoi polloi, from opting for death camp socialism. Or even soul-killing Euro welfare statism. Or pointing out that a majority of the DNC's base includes people who can't read butterfly ballots. The only time they embrace religion is in a church whose occupants are browner than their lilly white asses (wonder when the minorities in America are going to take offense to the DNC's hatred of religion, there goes more than half their voters).

No, what I think about when I read this crap is how it satisfies our libel laws, it shows a maliciousness against a whole class of public figures. Malice being an element of libel when a public figure sues. the This malice may, and should, allow conservatives to sucessfully bring a libel or slander suit against these guys.

One can dream....

Growing up in a smallish town in Texas, redneck was one of those words certain folks used to refer to themselves, usually with pride. When the rest of the country (outside of the South) uses it though, it's almost always a slur, and if it's not racist (though "rednecks" are pretty much 100% white) it's certainly classist and denigrating.

But I just laugh. Rather be a "redneck" in their eyes than be like them.

Which topic don't we know about RE? Is it barely funny comedians doing down home schtick or communist ex news bosses?

Dave - the term "redneck" started out as a derogatory term that townfolk called the farmers when they came into town because their necks were sunburned from working in the fields. It has since morphed into the terms northeners use for country folk or people of the Bible belt - but as far as I can tell - us Southern folk have actually become proud of the label (I know I am). It has about as much sting as when a black person calls a white person cracker - meaning none at all.

The nominative masculine plural definite article in Attic Greek, when transliterated into English per standard convention, is rendered 'hoi'. The nominative masculine plural definite article in contemporary American English is 'the' (as it is for all numbers, cases, and genders in English). Thus, I doubt it was comment #2 as well.

So it must be comment #3, composing 'most' of the first three comments, that gives him a kick.

Redneck employee, there are three "replies" to the post before yours. They are:
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Ace, I apologize for this, totally off-topic, but have you seen the L.A. Times STD testing story off of Drudge yet?

Oh, and have you gotten my Christmas card yet?

Thanks,
Dave at Garfield Ridge
Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge on December 15, 2005 01:27 PM
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Jackass doesn't know that 'hoi' means 'the'.
Posted by: someone on December 15, 2005 01:40 PM
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He called us hoi polloi?

Did Mr. Raines then jump in his velocimobile and scoot off to an evening at the F. Scott Fitzgerald estate?

Which one of these replies, exactly, proves that we don't know what we're talking about?

For Dave in Texas: Yes, "redneck" is an racial slur, albeit ethnic. First showed up in U.S. the 1830s in the Carolinas. But it had it's roots in northern Britan long before that.

My guess is that Raines et al are soon going to add 'cracker' to their artillery. Redneck just doesn't have the bite that it used to have.

In modern usage, redneck predominantly refers to a particular stereotype of individuals living in Appalachia, Ozarks, the Southern United States and later the Rocky Mountain States. The word can be used either as a pejorative or as a matter of pride, depending on context.

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I wonder if the reason why cracker doesn't have the right sting as a racial epithet is that people really like crackers. I mean who doesn't like a nice pizza flavored goldfish or a good stoned wheat?

If that's the case then we could have gotten rid of the bad feelings over the n word a long time ago by just renaming gummy bears or chocolate or something.

> Which one of these replies, exactly, proves that we don't know what we're talking about?
Linkie

[URL]http://forums.faark.com/cgi/faark/comments.pl?IDLink=1688267[/URL]

Hope one of those is a link. Anyway, read thru that, I think it might help you with the Redneck poster.

Dave - the term "redneck" started out as a derogatory term that townfolk called the farmers when they came into town because their necks were sunburned from working in the fields.

I get the etymology - what I was saying (badly) was that here it's generally seen as a pejorative, albeit a mild one, but doesn't really have any racial connotation, except that it's applied to white country boys. i.e. we hear the word "redneck" and we do not think "racist". Maybe we're just being hopeful.

Defense Guy, I don't hear the word "cracker" much at all, until I get back east of the Mississippi.

oh, and Howell Raines is a jerk.

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we could have gotten rid of the bad feelings over the n word a long time ago by just renaming gummy bears or chocolate or something.

Or Brazil nuts...

And a Brazil nut, propelled by a well-aimed catapult, will take off a top hat with surprising ease.

leave my nuts out of this

Yeah, I've got some rednecks in my family... and my Dad always tried so hard to be a Good Ole Boy, but you can't do that and be a nerd (which he was) at the same time. Good Ole Boy electrical engineer working for IBM, sure. Sorry, Dad, the glasses and pocket protector gave you away, Bud and Marlboros notwithstanding.

Anyway, there's hillbillies, rednecks, goobers, crackers, poor white trash... can't remember any else... I did notice that I saw more rednecks in one summer in Indiana than I ever had growing up in Georgia and the Carolinas. I think most rednecks don't take offense at that term, and I'm not sure if they ever did.

Forgot to add that Howell Raines once again proves that 98% of the hatred and bigotry in this country comes from the left.

but you can't do that and be a nerd (which he was) at the same time.

Now, you're more or less right if you are thinking nerd as in understanding the finer points of D&D or some such. But I am a borderline redneck, grew up around rednecks, married into a deeply redneck family (there is good and there is bad ...), and I'll tell you that these folks can fix anything, build anything, hunt anything, skin anything, and drink anything. Overlook them at your peril.

Not sure what the pompous ass who works for Foxworthy was trying to tell us, but I'll tell you this. Rednecks are everywhere - officially, the term is strongly associated with the Scots-Irish. Unofficially, any country bumpkin can be a redneck.

The truth of the matter is that rednecks have been the backbone of a large part of this country for a long, long time. They have served as infantry in our wars, as laborers in the South and West, and call from among their ranks Reagan and Patton. They were loked upon with the same amount of contempt by Anglo-Saxons when they were used as a buffer between the Tidewater East of Virginia and the wild Indians of the Ohio Valley. They were the mainstay of the Southern troops when few had ever owned a slave. And they continue to be overlooked as an ethnic group by nearly every power structure but their own.

Check out this link . Interesting stuff.

Howell Raines makes the same mistake that every other pompous windbag makes when they discount the fflyover states. It's what makes the country run.

A man was sitting in his airline seat waiting for the plane to takeoff when the most beautiful buxom women took the seat next to him. After the plane became airborne he was suprised to see the woman reading a sexual pyschology book. He politely asked her about this and she happily advised that she was a pyschologist specializing in sexual matters. She stated she was writing a paper on a study of the sexual abilities of different ethnic men. She stated that she found that Jewish men were the best at kissing and American Indians were the best at manipulating a woman's sexual trigger points but that overall, suprisingly the best lovers were Southern Rednecks. The man thought for a second and than said "sorry for not introducing myself earlier, my name is Tonto Goldstein but my friends call me Bubba"

sorry that last one was from me, funny or not.

Not sure what the pompous ass who works for Foxworthy was trying to tell us

I went to the Fark link that someone put up earlier (had to edit out extra "a",) and it turns out it was an inside joke there, a humor meme like All Your Base.

Summary: On a Fark thread about changes in U.S. paper money, someone claimed to work for the U.S. Mint and told everyone in the thread that they didn't know what they were talking about. Other posters after that began substituting nonsense for "U.S. Mint" in the diatribe and it went downhill from there.

FARKin' bastids.

Was my language too rough?

i.e. we hear the word "redneck" and we do not think "racist". Maybe we're just being hopeful.

Dave, I think I was replying to the first Dave. I agree with what you said. As far as the above, I don't think it's a matter of being hopeful - I think it's confidence in knowing who we really are and not feeling any shame from the ignorance by the likes of this guy.

Oops. That last msg to Dave was from me - and my first post was directed to Dave at Garfield Ridge.

"Cracker" is a far more perjoritive term than "redneck" and always has been. In the 'hood it has the same racial hatred intoned as the "n" word, but is directed at whites in general, same as "gringo".

Redneck, on the other hand, has become much more acceptable since the rush to CM in the last couple of decades, and with the help specifically of Foxworthy. He's done some of us country cousins a lot of good getting recognized as real people, not just bipeds with a really small command of simple language.

Me, I've always been a country boy no matter where I've been (New York to Hollywood, Seattle to Atlanta) and it's always held me in good stead. Intellectuals are always caught off guard when one of us rednecks can actually figure out where their lack of logic is, whether it's solving a financial problem or fixing their computer or repairing their bathroom floor. That's because they never have time to figure out life. They're always too busy figuring out solutions to problems that exist only in their own putrid, tiny minds.

Howell Raines - the answer to a question that no one asked.