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November 02, 2005
A Shocker Of A PictureIs it worth pointing out? Probably not. But this is the only "hip" thing the kids are into I know of. The last "hip" thing I did was go to a Foo Fighters concert, where I was very saddened to be mistaken for Gene Simmons' dad. *It's shown on Yahoo, which I doubt counts as "MSM," but it's an AP picture.
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CommentsCan someone spell this out for me? "shocker" hand gesture? I must not be hip. Posted by: Matt on November 2, 2005 03:09 PM
So many quotes possible for the chick on the left... Posted by: Ryan on November 2, 2005 03:25 PM
Here is a fun exercise: Go to this link... http://images.google.com/images?q=shocker&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=ii&oi=imagest Count how many girls aged 13-28 are using the "shocker" hand jesture. 1) Are these young ladies aware of the sexual nature of the gesture? 2) If so, are they indicating an interest in craving for "two in the pink, one in the stink"? 3) If so, is this love of the "stinky pinky" a new trend among young women? Posted by: on November 2, 2005 03:28 PM
Matt..use your imagination and pretend you are with a girl. Now, make that hand gesture that is depicted. And say to yourself the following: "Two in the grass, one in the ass." Then apply said hand gesture in accordance with the above statement. Note: If you ever have a question regarding "teabagging", Allah is your go to guy there. Posted by: Jack M. on November 2, 2005 03:30 PM
As an aside, Ace, isn't the "Shocker" the same hand formation that Naked Testicle Spiderman uses to fire his "web-shooters"? Posted by: Jack M. on November 2, 2005 03:47 PM
You guys protest too much. You are all for all intent and purposes addicted to porn. You insist on its wide spread distribution. When I was a kid it use to sicken me to have to walk pass God knows how many news boxes with photos of women in all sorts of demeaning poses or go into the local grocery store and see that crap. No one hesitates to start discussing the weirdest sex in polite conversation anymore and if one objects, you are labeled a prude. So, now you're all shocked ! shocked! that it has seeped into the msm? Blech. Posted by: on November 2, 2005 03:49 PM
I'm a UGA fan, so I can provide a little context here. Sure, it doesn't make things any more appropriate, but there is a "backstory here." Our quarterback, D.J. Shockley, was injured two weeks ago and had to sit out the Florida game. D.J., for reasons that you folks understand, wears the number 3 jersey. I think it's a pretty funny inside joke given a huge story in the AJC on his pick for the number... he gave the reporter a list of B.S. about how the number 3 is significant to him, etc. What we have, in this case, is a clever Florida fan (rare!!!) and an online editor who is a complete retard. For what it's worth, that Florida fan was probably wearing jean shorts. Worst lot in college football... Posted by: Charles on November 2, 2005 03:52 PM
I already knew about the shocker, so I suppose I'm minimally hip. I did have to google to find out what a "dirty sanchez" was, though, and in retrospect I'm sorry I did. Although it was kind of reassuring, I guess, to discover that my fantasies were so much more wholesome than the reality. Posted by: utron on November 2, 2005 03:58 PM
When I was a kid it use to sicken me to have to walk pass God knows how many news boxes with photos of women in all sorts of demeaning poses or go into the local grocery store and see that crap. (From Anon poster). Why do I get the feeling Anon might actually be Andrew Sullivan? Posted by: Jack M. on November 2, 2005 04:00 PM
Couldn't be sully. He didn't find it "Gobbsmackingly Vile". Posted by: Robert Modean on November 2, 2005 04:04 PM
You guys protest too much. You are all for all intent and purposes addicted to porn. You insist on its wide spread distribution. When I was a kid it use to sicken me to have to walk pass God knows how many news boxes with photos of women in all sorts of demeaning poses or go into the local grocery store and see that crap. No one hesitates to start discussing the weirdest sex in polite conversation anymore and if one objects, you are labeled a prude. So, now you're all shocked ! shocked! that it has seeped into the msm? Blech. I didn't protest too much. I barely protested at all, actually. I think it's inappropriate to run this pic in the general media, because, yeah, it's bad "for the children." Why do I do it? I don't know. I think it's funny. I have a third-grade playground sense of humor. I'm not calling you a prude, but you and I probably have different boundaries of what passable taste is. (I wouldn't say posting that link is in good taste, certainly. Just in passably, not offensively, bad taste.) This isn't really an apology so much as a simple statement that we don't agree on stuff on like this. Posted by: ace on November 2, 2005 04:09 PM
And I can't say I fear that kids are reading this mainly political site in hopes of catching that occasional link to a picture of a placard containing an unexplained drawing of the "shocker" gesture. If kids want sex, well, it's pretty easy to find it on the internet. I really don't have much fear I'm corrupting the nation's youth by occasionally posting something in bad taste. Posted by: ace on November 2, 2005 04:11 PM
That particular hand gesture is actually misappropriated from an ancient tradition from the University of Houston. In the days of college football's old Southwest Conference, fans created characteristic hand gestures for their teams. Most people know about the famous University of Texas "Hook Em Horns" sign, which preceded the Mullet Community's identical "devil sign" by a good 50 years. But most of the other teams in the conference had their own signal... Texas A&M -- thumbs-up "Gig 'Em Ags" Anyhow, the hand gesture of the U of Houston Cougars was the same "2 in the Grass, 1 in the Ass" sign seen here; officially it was supposed to be a cougar paw, but everybody knew it was the middle finger mixed with the Texas "Hook Em" -- a sly way of saying "Fuck UT." Posted by: iowahawk on November 2, 2005 04:19 PM
Hey, it wasn't a personal attack on you. And I'm not criticizing your for posting the link. But as to barely protest –i t is the second time you posted on it. But that is not my point. You just can't embrace pornography for so long and not expect it to permeate into the rest of our culture then call foul. Posted by: on November 2, 2005 04:34 PM
anon - You guys protest too much. I didn't see anyone protesting. I thought Ace was simply pointing out that the editors at Yahoo don't know shit from shocker and might want to use a little more discretion when posting pics. I do agree with you that news stands, especially what I used to see in Manhattan, are/were way out of line with what they display. And I'm not so much addicted to porn as I am to ejaculation. Posted by: compos mentis on November 2, 2005 04:36 PM
Note: If you ever have a question regarding "teabagging", Allah is your go to guy there. Ain't that the truth. Just for you, Jack: Allah For future reference, see here. Don't say I never gave you nuthin'. Posted by: Allah on November 2, 2005 04:37 PM
supposed to be a cougar paw always thought it was supposed to be a "U" next to an "H". tortured gesture, if that's what it was supposed to be. but those twerps at Cougar High had tremendous inferiority issues. when their football team wasn't stomping the shit out of everyone else I mean. Posted by: Dave in Texas on November 2, 2005 04:43 PM
Can't we just go back to the days of the double secret handshake? Posted by: ChrisG on November 2, 2005 04:47 PM
You just can't embrace pornography for so long and not expect it to permeate into the rest of our culture then call foul. You're right that there will inevitably be some "mainstreaming" of porn, but that isn't to say that pro-porn Republicans don't appreciate a generally G-rated public atmosphere. I don't like dirty pictures and sex-dolls on public display much more than you do. One thing (among many) that I liked about Guiliani is that he cracked down on open, public displays of pornography and sex toys. In private, though, it's Thunderdome. Are there consequences to that? Well, again, sure, there will be some bleed-through from private to public, most often by idiots who don't know much better. People who actually pick up a copy of Juggs and then read it on a train or bus, for example. But I have to say that a really firm effort to make society almost 100% G-rated would be pretty intolerable to me. I'm all for looking out for the kids, but I have to live here too.
Posted by: ace on November 2, 2005 04:50 PM
In private, though, it's Thunderdome. In your dreams, mister. lol! Are there consequences to that? Well, again, sure, there will be some bleed-through from private to public, most often by idiots who don't know much better. People who actually pick up a copy of Juggs and then read it on a train or bus, for example. There has been a lot more then "some" bleed-through. And I'm sure your Juggs reading seatmate could rationalize what he is doing by arguing the images are no worse that is already exhibited on the street. But I have to say that a really firm effort to make society almost 100% G-rated would be pretty intolerable to me. I'm all for looking out for the kids, but I have to live here too And who said or insinuated that we shd make a firm effort to make society almost 100% G-rated except you? Again, I always find it a bit odd for you guys to be fixated on anal sex (except when you are on the receiving end) and then criticize whatsahername for it. Posted by: on November 2, 2005 05:13 PM
My criticism of what's-her-name isn't so much that she's fixated on anal sex -- actually, I guess that's a plus in her favor -- but that she gets undeserved props for being "outrageous" just because she's a chick talking about butt-sex. She's just not funny. She's just dirty. Which, again, isn't necessarily a bad thing, but people seem to think that it's "funny" just because a chick of moderate physical charms writes "ass-fucking" over and over again. At least when I do it there's a, you know, joke. This old post is a parody of that. I just think she generally sucks and is completely untalented and without any wit or funniness. And it's just annoying to me she's on MTV because she's "outrageous." A lot of that is envy. But it's not really all that hypocritical. I can be a hypocrite, a lot, but not on this. I stand firmly by the principle that there's nothing wrong with a like-a-viking joke as long as it actually is a joke. And funy.
Posted by: ace on November 2, 2005 05:19 PM
And who said or insinuated that we shd make a firm effort to make society almost 100% G-rated except you? Well, I assume if you're chiding me for posting a link to a picture of a picture of the shocker, you're more interested in making society G-rated than I am. And by the way, I don't even know why I posted that. I can't make a big defense of it. I was reading fark, didn't find anything I really liked, didn't want to have come up with nothing, and so I linked that. I didn't even think about it, to tell you the truth. So that's an area where I could be hypocritical. I have no idea. I didn't think about it long enough to know. Posted by: ace on November 2, 2005 05:23 PM
LOL. Teabagged by a moongod! Damn, I'm going places. Not places I ever wanted to go, or enjoyed going to, but places nonetheless. Sort of like Ace banging Blossom. It's been an experience, but it has been an experience, if you know what I mean. Posted by: Jack M. on November 2, 2005 05:35 PM
Didn't know what a "shocker" was even though I've been cruising College Humor for months. It's their official symbol. Figured it had some puerile meaning and never took the time to look it up. Now I'm going to have a completely different outlook when watching one of my favorite Quantum Leap episodes. Sam leaps into the body of an inmate (correct meaning) during electro-shock therapy. When Sam doesn't leap at the right time, Al surmises that he must have another shock therapy session. This leads to Sam yelling, "Give Johnny shocker! Give Johnny shocker!" Not sure where the two fingers would go. Posted by: Dale on November 2, 2005 05:52 PM
She's just not funny. She's just dirty. Which, again, isn't necessarily a bad thing, but people seem to think that it's "funny" just because a chick of moderate physical charms writes "ass-fucking" over and over again. I looked at her website once a year and half ago to see what the stink was about. Who thinks she's funny? Who do you know reads her who isn't a lefty or who is just looking for ass-fucking references? As to the later, I guess the answer is all of you ,so never mind. At least when I do it there's a, you know, joke. Joke? I'm still having nightmares about backpacks and avocados. This old post is a parody of that. Okay that was funny. But, I thought your quest for 5 kinky sex acts was funnier. Though I am still having nightmares about dirty adolphs. I just think she generally sucks and is completely untalented and without any wit or funniness. And it's just annoying to me she's on MTV because she's "outrageous." Oh, yeah? What conservatives do you see on MTV? If there was no what's-her-name, they would have some other left wing chick. Let's face it, Ace, you will never be a left wing chick of moderate physical charms. So, no sense in getting annoyed about something you can't change. A lot of that is envy. But it's not really all that hypocritical. I can be a hypocrite, a lot, but not on this. I stand firmly by the principle that there's nothing wrong with a like-a-viking joke as long as it actually is a joke. And funy. This seems to have gone off on a tangent since my criticism was not on your comments specifically of what's-her-name but what ever the hell I was talking about. See, Ace, you wore me down– that plus the 50 attempts it takes to post a comment. Well, I assume if you're chiding me for posting a link to a picture of a picture of the shocker, you're more interested in making society G-rated than I am. Grrr. For the second or third time I was not chiding you for posting a link. I won't explain it again. And by the way, I don't even know why I posted that. I can't make a big defense of it. I was reading fark, didn't find anything I really liked, didn't want to have come up with nothing, and so I linked that. I didn't even think about it, to tell you the truth. So that's an area where I could be hypocritical. I have no idea. I didn't think about it long enough to know. Again, grrr. For the second time I was not personally attacking you so there is no reason to feel defensive. Frankly, I think you missed my entire point, so I give up. (Or, is this some sneaky way of winning a debate???) Posted by: on November 2, 2005 05:59 PM
I have a third-grade playground sense of humor.Ha! This should be on your masthead. Posted by: someone on November 2, 2005 06:20 PM
Along with, of course, "poetry contests will remain unjudged". Posted by: someone on November 2, 2005 06:28 PM
I'll get to it, I promise. Posted by: ace on November 2, 2005 06:29 PM
What conservatives do you see on MTV?There used to be Kennedy. Ah sweat Kennedy. There was something about her that really did it for me. More than just being a conservative. Posted by: Dale on November 2, 2005 06:47 PM
Sort of like Ace banging Blossom. If Ace banged Blossom during Sundance, there is a good chance he is the father of her baby. : x Posted by: on November 2, 2005 07:26 PM
Ironically, Blossom had her baby about 39.5 weeks after the fateful meeting. IOW, the dates fit perfectly. So, Ace, or shall we call you DADDY!! --what say you? Posted by: on November 2, 2005 08:16 PM
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