My word, can the Dem's really do this every day?

What a bunch of pussies.

Cheers,
Dave at Garfield Ridge

I'm angry too, Ace. Why do these pussies in Congress keep bringing sticks and stones to a gun-fight? The last time I ckecked, we were the party with the controlling majority.

It seems like the only GOP'r with balls enough to shove this shit back down the Dems throat is Tom Delay. Hmm, where is he at...

I know he's a House guy, but its more to the point that he's a leader who would use his position to slam back.

Otherwise, most GOP leaders are too pansyish to fight back. Or the if they do, the media won't cover it anyway.

But really, what are the dems gonna do? Its masterbatory on their part.

meanwhile, Tom Delay got his recusal. New judge.

You know what the most delicious thing about this stunt will be?

When members of Congress start leaking the details out of this closed, presumably classified session.

Given how this brouhaha exists solely because of the Plame leak kefluffle, there should be wonderful irony in that.

Cheers,
Dave at Garfield Ridge

I thought comity was even more important than majority rule in the Senate. What happened?

Harry: I'm scared.

Nancy: Me too. What should we do?

Harry: I don't know. I thought the indictmI agree with the Weasel. Something stinks in Denmark.ents-leak-story would have legs.

Nancy: Yeah, no shit. What happened with that?

Harry: That asshole prosecutor didn't do enough to find more crimes.

Nancy: I wish we could secretly arrest all the Republicans and take control of the government. (Hee hee).

Harry: From your lips to God's ears. But seriously, Nanc, you gave me an idea.

Nancy: Really? An idea? It's been so long since we've had one of those...

Harry: Okay, calm down, try to compose yourself. I think we can "arrest" the Senate floor.

Nancy: Whaaa What do you mean, Har?

Harry: It's a little over your head, Nancy. But after I pull this stunt the Republicans will be so shocked they'll have the same stunned expression on their collective faces as you do from all your plastic surgeries.

Nancy: Oooh, sounds gre-...hey...wait a minute.

Yeah, Shutting down the Senate. Finally the Dems are onto to something! Of course this happens when Coburn is trying to enact some common spending reform (the one possibly useful bill the senate has come up with in a long time). Doh!

the "dignified" "senior" "esteemed" branch of the government --- my ass

just because you begin every sentence in that hallowed hall with "my dear colleague from ___" doesn't mean that the next words out of your mouth won't prove, unequivocally that you are a fucking moronic buffoon.

may Satan shove his gay cock up Harry Reid's self-important, pontificating ass....not in a gay way, mind you, more ...like a viking

This is something that the conservatives should be glad to discuss.

Well, not glad. Pissed that it's a collossal waste of time. But not afraid to go over it again, if only to explain it to the slow kids.

We can talk all about the unanimous opinion of all the world's intelligence services, including our own government going back at least one or two administrations.

We can talk about the production capacity to manufacture chemical and biological weapons that we found.

We can talk about the caravan of trucks on the eve of the invasion that streamed out of Iraq and into Syria that has still not been accounted for or explained.

We can talk about how, when collecting information on the possible attempt by Iraq to buy uranium, one of the members of the Mickey Mouse Section of the CIA sent her husband, a well-established preening idiot, to go drink tea with African officials rather than do a real investigation.

We can talk about lots of stuff [sigh], if we absolutely have to.

The donks didn't get what they wanted for Fitzmas, so now they're throwing a poopie. Let them exhaust themselves, and they'll eventually fall asleep on the living room floor with the snot and tears drying on their red, squinched-up faces.

Thanks, Phinn. Good point.

Since the GOP actually controls the Senate, they can control the direction of the "investigation" and "report."

The result could be hard to swallow for the alternativereality based democrats.

Reid using Republican tactics? How dare he?

And I'm angry at the stupid fucking GOP for not doing its fucking job and ridiculing these people the way they should be ridiculed.

That's your job, big guy.

Hmmmm...sounds like Reid's been getting a lot of mail, doesn't it? You know what makes me feel all warm inside? Knowing the Fitzmas was a terrible, grinding disappointment for so many bright-eyed, eager young lefties. Had their hopes not been so high, their disappointment would not be so severe.

Heh heh. I lost my bet. And yet I feel like a winner!

Please, for the love of all that is Holy, can we just NOT ever say the word "kerfuffle" again? Has anyone ever come up with a more idiotic, ridiculous-sounding, silly word to describe what should really be called a "The Mother of All Partisan Snow-Jobs"? My teeth hurt every time that stupid word is used. DAMNIT!

"Hmmmm...sounds like Reid's been getting a lot of mail, doesn't it?"

The comments section on his blog just went nuts. I suspect he was linked by Kos or something. It's quite the sloppy-blowjob-festival over there.

Hey Sharkman-- I'm sorry, I just use it because James Taranto came up with it, and it *is* elegant at describing how stupid this whole thing is.

Besides, if we stopped using words just because I hate them, I'd never say "colostomy" again. And, let's face it, my vocabulary would be poorer for it.

Cheers,
Dave at Garfield Ridge

Sure would have been easy for the GOP to deny the Dems this talking point...by, ahem, doing their jobs, and producing the report.

The GOP can still deny the Dems this talking point, today - by, once again, doing their jobs and producing the report.

Does anyone here have a good reason why the GOP should *not* have produced the report?

Yes, the GOP are in majorities in the Senate and Congress. Guess what? They still should do their jobs. It's a bad thing, that the Democrats are pointing out they haven't?

Hey, Dave, Jonah posted your e-mail on the Corner.

And I agree -- I can't wait to call the Senators on their inevitable leaking, once they start leaking (and we know they will), while in the same breath they are complaining about the ... leaking.

This makes me so mad. Republicans control the freaking government and if donks don't like it they can go to Canada. If we want to invent the evidence for war what the hell are they going to do about it? HEH. If anyone gets in our way we will destroy them just like what happened to Wilson's wife. Teach you to screw with us!!

Okay, okay...no more kerfuffle. From now on, it's a brouhaha.

Fuck Bill Frist - he was whining like a nancy boy. Did the big bad Democrats diss the mighty killer of cats?? By the time the SEC is done with Frist, he'll be sharing a cell with Tom "the Exterminated" Delay.

Hoo boy! Stop me before I rashly place another bet...!

If we want to invent the evidence for war what the hell are they going to do about it?

What evidence was Clinton looking at when he declared that Saddam Hussein was a threat to world peace, that regime change was U.S. policy, and Stephanopolous was talking about how we ought to have Saddam assassinated?

robert, have you met Johnny Coldcuts?

Is there any rational person with a mouse and keyboard and the slightest inclination to "get to the bottom of things" who doesn't understand the reasons for going to war? Unless you have an agenda which does not include looking out for the national security interests of the US there is nothing confusing about this.

Great post Phinn. I am also looking forward to understanding what was carried on the Iraq to Syria convoy. My thinking is it wasn't dates.

Has there ever been a less serious party than today's Democratic party at any point in this nation's history?

Apprently the closed-door session ended about 45 minutes ago, so I'm waiting for the leaks to commence. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

By all means, let's hammer home the bipartisan consensus on Iraq's WMD capability, going back more than a decade, and let's remind people of all the stuff Saddam left lying around that the MSM hasn't thought was worth reporting. Let's also look at the role of the CIA which seems to have degenerated into a sort of home-grown UN.

I don't know if Frist is the right guy to be leading the Senate Republicans if the Dems are going into a total war mode. The guy's a nice, genial invertebrate who doesn't seem capable of delivering the brutal smackdown Reid is begging for. Somehow, the Dems have to be taught that this kerfuffle/brouhaha/clusterfuck is going to cost them. Dearly.

Has there ever been a less serious party than today's Democratic party at any point in this nation's history?

Yes, but before now, the newspapers, magazines and evening news went to great lengths to make them look stately and respectable.

They managed to cover up the Ukranian famine to help out the Soviets, for crying out loud! If they could do that, they could make FDR, JFK and LBJ look like fucking saints.

Decentralized media can be a real bitch.

"By all means, let's hammer home the bipartisan consensus on Iraq's WMD capability, going back more than a decade"

Exactly. All of the intelligence showing that Saddam had weapons was 5 years old by 2003. Taking quotes from Clinton in 1998 and using them to excuse actions taken in 2003 is lunacy. How about this quote in 2001?

In case you forgot: "We had a good discussion, the Foreign Minister and I and the President and I, had a good discussion about the nature of the sanctions -- the fact that the sanctions exist -- not for the purpose of hurting the Iraqi people, but for the purpose of keeping in check Saddam Hussein's ambitions toward developing weapons of mass destruction. We should constantly be reviewing our policies, constantly be looking at those sanctions to make sure that they are directed toward that purpose. That purpose is every bit as important now as it was ten years ago when we began it. And frankly they have worked. He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors. So in effect, our policies have strengthened the security of the neighbors of Iraq..."

Why doesn't George Bush see that the Dems ARE the American al-Qaeda? No amount of appeasement, of leaving them in their posts after Clinton moved out, giving them huge amounts of government program-spending, or deferring to their whiny-ass complaints will EVER make them love him? That want him DEAD, politically, and many want him dead in fact. They've repaid his indulging patience with scorn and derision and hatred. And that includes Bill Clinton's latest idiotic haymaking.

What is Bush's problem here? If he started seeing them like he sees Islamofascism, he'd find his base again.

Frist isn't a war time consigliere. Pop had Genco and look what we got!

You know what I remember? When Congress shut down the funding of federal govt stuff. That was great. I wish they'd do it again. Made me realize that I was never going to work for any governmental agency. Ever.

This idea would be better if we can get them to have to camp out in the Senate, and we don't have to listen to any of them speak. How about for a week, just as a trial? Fabulous. They've got to promise that it will be nothing but a bitchfest at each other, and no passing bills allowed.

Fine, Spike. But why are you tossing up a quote of dubious relevance from way back in 2001? Here’s a nice fresh one from 2003:

"(W)e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. ...And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War." -- John Kerry, Jan 23, 2003

Dammit, link didn't go through. Try this site.

NCVOL, this is business and you're taking this personally. Whattaya expect Frist to do, go up to Harry and Bada-bing! blow his brains out all over his nice ivy-league suit?

Frist is a lying piece of garbage and a pantywaist. Harry is an ex-boxer out of Nevada. Frist would last about 2 seconds in the ring with Reid. He would knock him on his patrician ass so fast he wouldn't know what hit him.

Wingers always suck up to power and money - bootlickers.

Give 'em hell Harry.

BRING IT ON! OH YEAH!

This stunt should convince Frist to go "nuclear" at the first opportunity.

If the dems are set on acting like crybabies, then the repubs shouldn't feel guilty for spanking them.

I don't know if Frist is the right guy to be leading the Senate Republicans if the Dems are going into a total war mode.

utron,

Pardon my French, but my fucking grandmother could do a better job of leading the Senate Republicans, and she's dead.

Seems like Frist is too busy acting like a Dem these days. If he calling for a bi-partisan investigation into "profiteering" by oil companies and looking for a way to give illegal immigrants a "path to citizenship" are issues he considers important, then he more than just the pussy I thought he was; he's a fucking idiot.

What a bunch of suckers...if you had an ounce of common sense you would care about the lies that started getting troops killed. As it is you prove yourselves culpable in their deaths for not seeking the truth.(unless you have another NEW reason for invading Iraq)

Harry has some problems with his own “base” (moonbats) because he can’t deliver a filibuster on the Alito nomination. The events this afternnoon are a substitute for the real drama the Kos kids are being denied. If the GOP leadership can’t do their job (and smack Harry down), at least this ought to be good authority for the proposition that Republican senators should never even think of siding with Dems on any issue .

You mean all those lies told by the Clinton administration, madmatt? Or John Kerry. Or Madeleine Albright? Those lies?

Dickhead.

Kerry wanted to disarm Saddam, not overthrow him. Big difference.

And don't forget that all they were seeing was Bush lying. If they'd had access to intelligence that wasn't stove-piped, they would have acted differently. The reason the Dems is pissed is because they only had access to the stove-piped intelligence, and they want to know why they were given such shitty information. If a Democrat were President, you can bet Iraq never would have happened, much to the betterment of America.

Harry is an ex-boxer out of Nevada.

I hear Kramer is dominating the dojo, too.

Kerry wanted to disarm Saddam, not overthrow him. Big difference.

And don't forget that all they were seeing was Bush lying. If they'd had access to intelligence that wasn't stove-piped, they would have acted differently. The reason the Dems are pissed is because they only had access to the stove-piped intelligence, and they want to know why they were given such shitty information. If a Democrat were President, you can bet Iraq never would have happened, much to the betterment of America.

madmatt,

In the immortal words of the great philosopher Al Swearingen, go fuck yourself.

Sorry, spike.

I stopped reading your shit after, "...Bush lying."

It looks like the republicans have caved, and appointed a bipartisan group to report back in 2 weeks on the issue.

kelly,

You should keep reading - I'm still laughing.

There was indeed one whiny jackass in the Senate this afternoon: Frist.

The Republican thugs do not like it when they get a taste of their noxious medicine.

Like all bullies, when they are finally confronted, they start whining like cry babies. Sniff! Sniff! The Democrats are being mean to me!

That's right, Spike. John Kerry doesn't have the balls to overthrow a dictator and stand up to terrorists. He would want to have meetings with his friends in France and Germany to discuss the world's problems. Fuck that.

Can they shut it down every day? That would be great if it will prevent Congress from spending any more money. Fuck shut it down all the time I say.

Spike, for you.

A message from one of this site's most recognizable faces.

John,

Yeah, I caught that bit about "If a Democrat were President..."

My ending goes like, "...he would be getting blow jobs from fat chicks or telling us about our 'malaise.'"

Kerry wanted to disarm Saddam, not overthrow him. Big difference.

Disarm him with what? Harsh language?

By the way, I think Frist is a fucking pussy. He really does take it like a viking from Reid, doesn't he?

How about this, Evil Prog. The senate dems accomplished nothing today. All they did was to provide whacking material for you and your fellow lefty bloggers for one day. I guss you need it after being stood up at the prom last week by Fitz. The senators will still go home tonight. Alito will still be confirmed, and Bush will still be president for three more years.

You see, you're sorta like the bitch in the prison rape scene. You can take it, or you can fight and get torn up. Your choice, but it will happen.

I'm hoping you fight back.

More to the point, Warden, disarm Saddam of what? 'Cause we all know that McHitlerburton was lying about the WMD threat...

You'd think these trolls could at least keep their talking points consistent for the length of a brief comment, but I guess that's too much to ask.

Log Cabin,

Yeah, I like it when they fight a little. Turns me on.

C'mere, Evil P, and take your two SC nominations like a good, boy.

Log Cabin,

Yeah, I like it when they fight a little. Turns me on.

C'mere, Evil P, and take your two SC nominations like a good boy.

I still think Donks are like the pissed-off older brother of the biggest slut in town. They're full of idignation and dudgeon at the guys who bang their sister, but it's not out of real moral outrage -- it's simply embarassment that their sister is such a slut. They're angry mostly at themselves for being so ineffectual.

The Dems have nothing to offer in terms of policy. They have no foreign policy to offer, no domestic policy, no guidance, no platform. All they have is outrage and umbrage. What's most hilarious about all of this is that they think the majority of Americans share this over-inflated sense of outrage, and this in spite of the fact that they've been beaten like hot horseshoes in the last three major election cycles.

When they get hammered in 2006, they'll invent new excuses as to why they should have won but didn't. Bunch of namby-pamby whiny self-involved deluded pinheads.

Sheesh.

It's a fucking troll infestation on all of my fav blogs today.

Poor little bastards take getting stiffed on Fitzmas hard.

Take that any way you want, boys.

More to the point, Warden, disarm Saddam of what? 'Cause we all know that McHitlerburton was lying about the WMD threat...

Quoted with emphasis for mother fucking truth.

Kerry wanted to disarm Saddam, not overthrow him. Big difference.

Because a disarmed Saddam, still in power, would only be a threat to brown people far away from us. Man, this new progressive stuff tastes like paleoconservative ASS.

Two, count 'em TWO conservative Supreme Court nominations.

Hell, we may even end up with three.

They can't win at the polls, and now they can't legislate from the bench. Of course they're going to run over here and display their impotent rage. It's all they have!

Make sure you get out and vote in your local elections next Tuesday. They matter as much if not more than national elections.

I'm giddy w/glee at the thought of pulling straight R's all the way down. There was a time when I'd mix in some Libertarians, but that ended after the Democrats became the party of the Taliban.

Kerry wanted to disarm Saddam, not overthrow him. Big difference.

And lets just accept that proposition on face value. If Saddam was a threat who needed to be disarmed, why leave him in a postion where he still has the power to persue WMDs/Support Terrorists/murder Kurds/Shoot up US planes?

Disarming Saddam rather than overthrowing him was the Bush I plan and look where it got us.

I know you have to be retarded to be a Kerry booster in the first place, but isn't there a level of tardness where you just vote Nader?

I dunno, Warden. I'm still unsure about Roberts. He proved himself to be gigantically qualified and scary-smart, but we don't yet know much beyond that.

Just one more reason the Miers pick pissed me off so. I had already given Bush the benefit of the doubt once.

You know sometimes a guy who barely speaks english sums up the best thing for trolls to do.

I really had doubts about the Republican chances in 2006, but looks like the Democrats are just so into the idea of reminding everyone why no one votes for them.

Who gives a damn about Alito? With some luck, Scalia-the-scrap and Thomas-the-sexfiend will kick the bucket way before they go into their dotage. There will always be room and time to alter the composition of the Supreme Court

This said, if the Democrats decide to filibuster Alito's nomination, I hope the bullies-turned-crybabies in the Republican party will use the nuclear option. Of course, it is one thing to threaten, but another one to actually carry out the threat.

I am all for the nuclear option. It will show the American people that the Republicans stand for changing the rules in the middle of the game. Bring it on, I say! It is time for a good, bloody, fight.

The public did not appreciate it when the Republican asses shut down the government in 1995. Of course, the Republican thugs are too arrogant, hubristic, and stupid, to realize that history repeats itself. Always!

The public did not appreciate it when the Republican asses shut down the government in 1995. Of course, the Republican thugs are too arrogant, hubristic, and stupid, to realize that history repeats itself. Always!

How is the nuclear option equivalent to shutting down the government, exactly?

Yea, whatever. Mr. Progressive, it must be really difficult to type while you have your boyfriends cock in your mouth.

"It will show the American people that the Republicans stand for changing the rules in the middle of the game."

Well shit, that's what majorities get to do. Its one of those perqs that comes with winning elections.
I think you'll find that the public won't mind it at all, since the senators will finally be doing what they were elected to do in the first place.

Sorry, Ace, nobody's buying this "Evil Progressive" character you're hawking.

Too cliche.

It will show the American people that the Republicans stand for changing the rules in the middle of the game.

Actually, it'll be the Dems changing the rules in the middle of the game by their unprecedented move of filibustering a Supreme Court nominee with majority support. Once the American public finds that out, the Dems will come to regret it.

Heh heh. Poor Progressive. It's killing him to keep typing "thug Republicans" and "Republican thugs" when his Cliche-O-Meter is itching to render it "Rethugicans".

Evil Progressive:

Shemp! I've been thinking for a long time that you reminded me of someone, and I finally figured it out! You're Shemp!

You're a Stooge, but not a front-man Stooge. Your idiocy is of a lower-key sort -- still offensive and pretty dumb, but often just not funny. You take direction from people only marginally smarter than you, you are easily offended (and probably easily brought to tears), you say foolish things, and you probably wear foolish clothes. A perpetually angry frown overlies your eternally confused expression.

Shemp!

So instead of replying to "Evil Progressive", I'll just use "Shemp" to save on typing.

meh. can't get too worked up about arguing with the low rent trolls spewing Kostalk™

but I have enjoyed the momentum shift that began on Friday. heh.

That's exactly what I was thinking, JohnWuzza. It's gotta be Ace fucking wit us.

Nobody can drop so many typical liberal talking points in such a short space and expect to be taken seriously. It has to be a gag.

Is it you, Purple Avenger?

How can an educated American keep supporting a group of individuals that continuously feeds them blatant lies?



Today's Republican party amazes me.



"The government is like a baby's alimentary canal, with a happy appetite at one end and no responsibility at the other." -- Ronald Reagan



"Whenever there is an interest and power to do wrong, wrong will generally be done and not less readily by a powerful and interested Party, than by a prince." -- James Madison



"Let every American, every lover of liberty, every well wisher to his posterity, swear by the blood of the Revolution, never to violate in the least particular, the laws of the country; and never to tolerate their violation by others." --Abraham Lincoln

I got your stove pipe right here. The intelligence wasn't cooked though it appears your brain has been frying since your shitty Fitzmas.

I want to disarm Saddam, Dear Leader Kim and every other loose cannon without a war too. But until the magic fairy dust that makes that happens is invented sometimes war is the only way with outlaws who thumb their noses at your precious UN and buy off the French, Russians and Germans. Go read Volker's report and get back to me.

By the by, did you happen to notice that Libya got rid of their WMD's and Syria is out of Lebanon and facing serious sanctions? Have you noticed that terrorist attacks on the US since 9/11...well come to think of it there haven't been any.

Go back to DU and come up with some better conspiracy theories. I find your lack of faith disturbing.

"How can an educated American keep supporting a group of individuals that continuously feeds them blatant lies"

Well fortunately the NY Times is losing revenues.

How can an educated American keep supporting a group of individuals that continuously feeds them blatant lies?

I often wonder that very same question about the Donks. Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Michael Moore... None of these human skidmarks would know "the_truth" if it bit their Johnsons off. Oh, wait, you said "educated." Never mind.

How can an educated American keep supporting a group of individuals that continuously feeds them blatant lies?

I don't know, little troll.

Give us a hint, huh?

How can an educated American keep supporting a group of individuals that continuously feeds them blatant lies?

I've been wondering the same thing. How do the liberals have such a strong foothold on today's college campuses?

The answer is obvious, we all know the moonbats on the faculty are feeding the impressionable, gullable youngsters the liberal pabulum. But as an adult, it must become obvious to one that the Left is morally and logically bankrupt.

the_truth:

You're a groveling, lying weasel. You disgust me. Your very presence on the earth fills me with repugnance. I've had bowel movements that were of more long-lasting worth to mankind than you are. You are a steaming puddle of monkey-puke, a dried out dog-turd on the sidewalk of life. Do yourself and all the rest of us a favor and go drown yourself in a toilet, you worthless choad.

But remember: I say this with love. Here at Ace's, we even love our clueless, brainless leftist moonbat bretheren.

My, my, rightnutters, take a deep breath.
You are on the brink of becoming apoplectic.

Go console poor little Frist. He is crying on his mommy's lap.

"we even love our clueless, brainless leftist moonbat bretheren."

Yeah. Like VIKINGS!

What do y'all want to bet "the_truth" was one of those castrato drive-by trolls and we never see him again?

My, my, rightnutters, take a deep breath.
You are on the brink of becoming apoplectic.

We'll relax...right after giving your whore of a mother a dirty sanchez.

Anonymous trolls deserve anonymous flames.

Oh, now you're posting anonymously. You cowardly piece of shit. Go crawling back to your fetid hole and whack off to a copy of The Nation. You come back here and you'll get your ass kicked up so high you'll have to part your hair to take a dump.

You are cordially invited to fuck right off. You may take the horse you rode in on along with you. Whether or not you do this with a vibrator up your ass is completely up to you.

Apo-what?
Dumb it down for me, I voted for Chimpy.

One more and then please, continue with the name calling...

“I don't know why some people are shocked . . . that, if there seems to be an ethical problem, the opposition party looks into it. I'm not talking about jaywalking or parking tickets. Every human being I know of has, at times, fudged on the rules of our society. But there is a big gap between sinning and corruption. I'm not looking for sinners, but I am very interested in finding out about corruption.”- Rep. Gingrich

Hey Anonymous Pussy,

You're right, Frist is a sniveling little momma's boy, but in case you haven't noticed we're already caught wind of that, and are calling him on it.

See, we really don't give a shit whether there's a 'D' or an 'R' after his name, we expect him to do his job, and if he doesn't, we'll let him know. But then, we're just typical Rethuglicans doing Rush Limbaugh's bidding.

Megadittos, asshole. Heh.

One more and then please, continue with the name calling...

You got it, dicknose! And incidentally, you're still a castrato troll.

One more and then please, continue with the name calling...

Okay, then. Thanks for giving us the thumbs-up on that, fuckweasel.

Do you think your litany of quotes is a substitute for an actual argument?

please, continue with the name calling...

Righty-o....

I find it amazing that even a shit-stinking dullard like yourself cannot muster even one redeeming quality. I mean, something: a quaint turn of phrase, a way with a joke, a wry sense of humor. But no -- you are tiresome, boring, silly, self-important, and possess the kind of arrogant disdain that makes your intellectual betters (i.e., everyone) want to punch your stupid sheep's face.

You are, in short: a completely value-less turd. Don't let the door hit the vibrator sticking out of your ass as you leave.

"...but I am very interested in finding out about corruption.”- Rep. Gingrich"

That was from what - '88, maybe '89?

Ouch.

Go crawling back to your fetid hole and whack off to a copy of The Nation.

C'mon, Monty, you know you'd bend over that Katrina VanDenHeavalVonHeevenScowl chick anyday of the week.

I would enjoy to see if I can turn Katrina VanHoovenScowl's into a VanDenHooovenSmile. Or to see if she makes that sucking lemons face while she's got her ankles behind her ears.

(I tells ya, I've been posessed by the Sortelli)

I see the_truth givin the Blumpkin to Ace in the near future.

Today's democratic party does not amaze me. It just repulses me.

"I've known plenty of white n**ers." Robert KKK Byrd

"I guess you were right Mary Jo, I was too drunk to drive." Ted the Head Kennedy.

"Opps, sorry about that Monica. Send me the dry cleaning bill." Bubba

You guys take hypocrisy to heights heretofore unreached by man. Big tent my ass. You guys need a circus tent for that collection of miscreants, booze hounds, freaks, liars, unreconstructed rasicts, serial harassers and um..aquatically challenged tubs of goo.

And thats the truth....pfffffft

Iblis, that's just nasty. Ergo, it's exactly the kind of thing the_truth is probably into. He probably coined the phrase himself, having spent the previous month in Grand Central Station perfecting the technique.

I can't help but notice that "the_castrato" didn't bother to actually, you know, cite any of these "lies" that we should be so up-in-arms about.

Monty, Grand Central is a little upscale for this guy. Try the Dyre Avenue station.

Dyre Avenue station?

No way. Tompkins Square Park bathroom.

I'm not a New Yawkah like others here, but I'd nominate the_truth as a lurker at one of those nasty "comfort stations" along the New Jersey turnpike. Or the apocalyptically-gross toilets at the Greyhound station in Weehawken.

Mr. Murrow I concede the point.

Given "the_truth's" politics, though, one is more likely to see him turning tricks in the Senate coatroom for Reid and friends.

Except for Ted Kennedy. That guy likes Chivas waaay too much, if you know what I'm saying.

Anonymous Jackoff, "the_truth" and Evil Conservative,

Here's a typical Rethug with a message for you.

Let me know if you need any help deciphering.

"not in a gay way, mind you, more ...like a viking"

Boston Irish,

So, how do gay vikings do it?

Just wondering.

"Kerry wanted to disarm Saddam, not overthrow him. Big difference." -- moonbat X

That's funny, Bill Clinton, your GOD, wanted to overthrow him. That's why he signed the Iraq Liberation Act, which talked about the need for regime change.

"They were listening to Bush's lies"...except that they saw the same intelligence reports he did. Please, could someone explain to me how stupid, Chimpy McBushitlerBurton managed to, "cook," the intelligence from all those countries?

Didn't OBL pre-emptively strike the US on 9/11?
Didn't he think (or feel) that the US was out to attack Muslim nations w/out justification?

Darn it, I'm still against pre-emptive wars.
How 'bout it boys? Anyone w/ me on this?

So, how do gay vikings do it?

Mauve wolfskin robes and feathers on the helmets rather than horns. Other than that, it's pretty much like regular Viking man-love (except maybe for a bit more cuddling afterward).

Please, could someone explain to me how stupid, Chimpy McBushitlerBurton managed to, "cook," the intelligence from all those countries?

Karl Rove. Is there anything he can't do?

Magnificent bastard.

...

why on earth is this thread up to 100+ replies.

[reviewing] Oh. Salon trolls, I take it.

Every time I read these reports about Iraq being a breeding ground for terrorism I think of GWB using that line from the old Shake and Bake commercial...

..."And I helped!"

Dare I to hope that we sent Shemp and the_tard home crying hot snotty tears of shame? That's some weak-assed stuff, right there -- they'd never survive a real AoS flame-war thread. I didn't even unlimber my best stuff yet!

Robert, you realize that little girl with the bad accent would be, like, 50 now? I feel so old...

Eh, the_truthtard probably had to go take out the trash.

Moms can be persistent.

so you all would rather have a rubber stamp politburo of a congress than one that asks questions. What are you all so afraid of?

I'm bored. Did that "sonia" girl ever make her way back, or would her Moslem family have done something nasty to her by now?

UNCLE JOE!

Every time I read these reports about Iraq being a breeding ground for terrorism I almost feel sorry for the douchebags. But then I think, "Fuck 'em, they started it," and then I laugh when I read about how many of them are roasting in Hell thanks to the U.S. Armed Forces.

so you all would rather have a rubber stamp politburo of a congress than one that asks questions. What are you all so afraid of?

Okay, I'll admit it.

I'm afraid of you.

You're a biiiiig scary guy. Intimidating as fuck.

Happy now?

Brilliant move on the Democrats part. The last time the government was shut down, the President start sticking cigars in an intern's vagina and eventually was impeached. They must think that it worked so well last time that they should try it again. Great move Dingy Harry.

What are you all so afraid of?

Yeast infections and cunnilingus do not a happy experience make. For some reason, many ladies neglect to mention the problem until you've already given the "dive! dive!" order.

If you ain't afraid of that, bub, you're a braver man than me.

And of course there's the whole "blumpkin" thing. It scares me that this not only happens, but that it happens often enough to need a slang term to describe it.

Well, you can tell Reid hit a nerve, cause all the Republican faggots are mincing around talking tuff in their tutus. It's over, girls. Get used to it.

What's over? What did I miss?

How come Donks are allowed to use "faggots" and they don't get called "homophobes?"

Oh, right, because they're a bunch of hypocritical douchebags. I forgot.

Did someone says it's over? Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no! And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the goin' gets tough... [thinks hard] the tough get goin'! Who's with me? Let's go! [runs out, alone; then returns] What the fuck happened to the Delta I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh? "Ooh, we're afraid to go with you Bluto, we might get in trouble." Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Wormer, he's a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Niedermeyer -

Well, you can tell Reid hit a nerve, cause all the Republican faggots are mincing around talking tuff in their tutus. It's over, girls. Get used to it.

"Talking tuff in their tutus?"

Keep it up, Robert. That's the spirit!

But we're not the ones taking it in the ass. If we were, Reid wouldn't have to resort to the shrieking dramatics he was forced to use this afternoon.

What's over? What did I miss?

Well, some crazy guy named Robert Lewis came in, took a shit on the floor, cackled crazily, then staggered out again. He left nothing behind but runny turds and a lingering scent of Muscatel.

Dean Wormer is dead.

Does anyone miss our favorite punching bag? I don't. But I was wondering if anyone else did.

Don't think I miss him, because I don't.

Really.

(I tells ya, I've been posessed by the Sortelli)

When why am I feeling so scanalized by your raspaciousness? I mean, dang man! :O

"Well, some crazy guy named Robert Lewis came in, took a shit on the floor, cackled crazily, then staggered out again. He left nothing behind but runny turds and a lingering scent of Muscatel."

Wrong! it was a guy named Frist. His bowels gave up on him when he realized that his bullying was being called up. He ran to his mommy, leaving a stinking trail behind him.

Frist-the-ballless , Frist-of -the-runny-bowels. Just like you, chickenhawks, who get diarrhea at the thought of going to Iraq, and putting your cowardly asses on the line.

What are you all so afraid of?

being misunderstood as a result of being unclear.

blow me, asswipe.

*sniff sniff*

Damn it, another castrato drive-by troll left a load on the carpet.

Fucking anonymous posters.

And making the fucking chickenhawk argument?

You're not worthy to eat my shit, as much as you'd like to.

Heh, yeah, guys. You can tell how much anono-troll knows about courage. He can't even sign his name to a chickenhawk comment.

For the record, fuckers? We already KNOW you've got nothing but empty rage and name-calling. So don't, you know, bore the ever-living fuck out of us. Frankly, you lack the wit, the verve, the sophistication and the vocabulary to bring it here.

But that's okay, I'm sure your mother still loves you. Hell, she loves everybody. Even Joe Wilson.

But he wanted something a little looser and took up with some top secret super spy chick that only waited until the third or fourth date to tell him she was CIA.

Keeerist!

What is with all the trowel movements on all my fave blogs today? (Troll + Bowel, you likey?)

Hey, anon, you feel that? That's my dick in your ear.

Yeah, anono-troll is probably one of them chicken martyrs Al-Zarqawi was complaining about.

In the ear?

Sick bastard.

"Damn it, another castrato drive-by troll left a load on the carpet."

Yeah! It was Frist. This is what happens when you blow religiosity and hypocrisy out of your ass. Eventually, your ass strikes back at you. And, boy, does it reek!

As for the balls, please, Kool-Aid heads, send poor Frist a pair. He needs it. While you are it, why don't you stock up on a few pairs for yourselves? You need them.

Don't forget the tissues either, mommy could run out of them when you go to her on a regular basis complaining about those mean Democrat bullies.

but isn't there a level of tardness where you just vote Nader?

Oh, God! I'm fucking rolling!

*yawn*

This is getting tiresome.

Yeah! It was Frist

Wow. You are so clever!

I wish I were as cool as you.

Does anyone miss our favorite punching bag? I don't. But I was wondering if anyone else did.

While I do miss being called a filthy joooboy, I dont see how he can blame Fitzmas on mossad.

So no not really

These assholes, assuming it's more than one poster, really believe they scored a victory today in the Senate.

People care less about today's antics by Reid than they care (or know) about Libbygate.

My, my look at how fired up they are! All this over a staged event that ultimately adds up to nothing.

Well, after you lose both houses, the presidency, and a slew of governorships, I guess you have to have something to boost your morale.

What's with the idiot-infestation, anyway? Was there a "free pass to Ace's place" thing going on at the local retard hospital, or what?

I think the sign said "free weed." That or they got confused along the way to one of their fake "we support the troops" vigils.

Maybe its part of their new "If we go outside and whine really loud about how Bush is going to throw the transgendered in baby making camps to finance Haliburton's War, americans will undo their votes for Bush last year and Kerry will magically appear in the White House" holiday tomorrow

Howard, I've never heard the Donks' worldview summarized so succinctly. Beautiful.

Ohhh, sheesh Howard. You're just scared of big, bad Harry Reid and all the Kos army.

We all know what toughasses angry hippies are.

mean Democrat bullies

You have used three words in which one (Democrat) never appears with the other two (mean, bullies). Democrats are gentle woodland spirits, redolent of feelings and day-old B.O. The best they seem to manage is a bitter kind of sarcastic funk; I don't know that they can ever aspire to mean.

You want mean? Look up a serious libertarian. They'll write the word "mean" on a piece of coarse-grit sandpaper and shove it up your socialist, big-government, goldbricking ass.

Who wants to put money down on whether or not the next troll bleats something along the lines of "I know Frist is but what am I" for, what is it now, the fourth or twentieth time?

Where do you conservatives get those hot T-shirt models? OMFG!

Why, Rove supplies them, of course!

What's the obsession with describing Frist as a bully? Is this some sort of weird, high school fantasy these lefties are living vicariously through Reid?

You know, the one where the hippies don't get their asses kicked, don't get mocked daily by their peers and finally get to fuck the prom queen instead of being dildo raped in the squeekhole their French Lit. teacher?

Sortelli:

Doesn't the "I am rubber, you are glue" thing bring down the wrath of the Gods on AoS HQ?

Plus, it's just fucking weak. "Second-grade pansy crying in the outfield because no one picked him" weak. "Poindexter with coke-bottle-bottom glasses and high-water pants" weak.

And yet these dumbasses always crow about how smart they are compared to us. You'd think that these smart "progressives" could come up with some decent insults and come-backs, instead of repeating inane talking-points that were old and busted in 2003.

HAHA
You Got Punk'd

The Warden:

Oh, man, that one line made that shitty flick The Rock worthwhile:

"I'm doing my best."

"Losers always whine about doing their best. Winners go home and fuck the prom queen."

Where do you conservatives get those hot T-shirt models? OMFG!

And somebody just discovered the bbeck headshot

Well, there ya go, Monty. A brand-new trolling strategy, right on cue.

Idiot infestation, indeed.

It's time to fumigate the White House, the Administration and Congress.

Bush-the-roach will be the first to come out, bewildered as usual, since he has the brains of a roach.

The rest of the pest, Cheney-the-rabid-rat and Rove -I 'll -tell -on-anyone -to -save- my -fat- ass - will require the (legal) equivalent of rat poison.

DeLay will be exterminated when his sleazy friend Abramoff starts singing like a canary. Whiny Frits will be undone by the SEC.

The smell of revenge is so sweet!

By the way, the cowardly turd who is running this blog has been blocking my comments.

But I am right here, your nemesis, ready to strike.

Note in Joe's posts, a lack of something...

Hmm...what is it...

Oh yeah, IDEAS and POLICY PROPOSALS.

That's not revenge you're smelling, asshole. It's the smell of the giant conservative meat-stick up your collective asses.

By the way, the cowardly turd who is running this blog has been blocking my comments.

Nope, that's just the server. It's happened to me, as well.

But go on, believe your pathetic 'persecution' fantasies, if they give you some hope of being something more than a worthless lefty troll.

"We all know what toughasses angry hippies are."

Well at least their odor is powerful.

"The smell of revenge is so sweet! "

Joe, that's the smell of your nostrils burning from the shit you're smoking.

I suspect Joe prefers smoking the baloney pony, if you know what I mean...

"As for the balls, please, Kool-Aid heads, send poor Frist a pair. He needs it. While you are it, why don't you stock up on a few pairs for yourselves? You need them. "

Funny I'm betting that you've never done a gutsy thing in your life, besides maybe throwing a rock at an antiwar rally-a few of us have come back from Iraq, Afghanistan and other places where we had alot of fun.

More balls that you'll ever have.

It's obvious that Evil Proggy has no idea where he is if he thinks Ace has the technical werewithal to block comments.

Considering how the trolls talk in memes rather than in english (or even actually make arguments), it reminds me of an old (60s?) scifi short I read in Analog. Basically it was about an attempt to start a counter revolution in the USSR, but after it was succesful, the victors created the same sort of state just because they didnt have the language to describe anything else. Yes I know Orwell covered similar territory (and Huxley did it even better in BNW) Still this lack of actually presenting ideas or arguments and relying upon sloganeering is going from "old" to downright scary (especially with the violent turn they're taking)

In other words, I feel pity for this&that, but it looks like he'll be voting Rethuglican for quite sometime.

your nemesis

Shemp, the only thing you're a nemesis to is a bar of soap and your underarm deodorant. Your stink is the only thing the precedes you and the only thing people remember about you after you leave.

But at least we can be happy that your obvious mental defects shield you from the humiliation of knowing how hated you are.

And somebody just discovered the bbeck headshot

heh. Plus she's heavily armed. Swords. Guns. If that ain't enough her hubs is packing a B-52 and that will mess your shit up all week long.

Doesn't the "I am rubber, you are glue" thing bring down the wrath of the Gods on AoS HQ?

Man, the wrath of the gods doesn't mean shit to these cheesedicks. God could part the clouds and hand them a scroll filled with basic truths such as "2+2=4" and "Joe Wilson is a liar" and they'd still be clattering their meaty jaws like so many wheezing cockroaches.

Still, we should mark this as some sort of progress on this side. They're still the same pack of intellectually devoid skull-fuckees, but this is the first time their hateful screeds have been tinged with the color of hope.

Which will make their inevitable loss all the sweeter, really. Hah. Yeah. Shut down Congress to beat off on the new isolationism. Pat Buchanan and Newt Gingrich, GREAT ROLE MODELS FOR LEFTIES!

As I understand it the Democrats shut down public access to the Senate; kicked out tourists and the press and whatnot. Who cares? The GOP should have just left it that way and started asking what the Democrats are trying to hide until they stopped their little temper tantrum and reopened it themselves.

The Warden: "My, my look at how fired up they are! All this over a staged event that ultimately adds up to nothing."

Actually, they managed to get the Repubs to commit to 'something' about the Phase II probe of the Iraq war that was promised to be done a year ago

"The Senate reopened about two hours later, after members agreed to appoint a bipartisan group of senators to assess the progress of the "Phase 2" probe"
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/01/senate.iraq/

A lot of the news articles out there are poorly done w/out much in the way of facts.

Doesn't the "I am rubber, you are glue" thing bring down the wrath of the Gods on AoS HQ?

Man, the wrath of the gods doesn't mean shit to these cheesedicks. God could part the clouds and hand them a scroll filled with basic truths such as "2+2=4" and "Joe Wilson is a liar" and they'd still be clattering their meaty jaws like so many wheezing cockroaches.

Still, we should mark this as some sort of progress on this side. They're still the same pack of intellectually devoid skull-fuckees, but this is the first time their hateful screeds have been tinged with the color of hope.

Which will make their inevitable loss all the sweeter, really. Hah. Yeah. Shut down Congress to beat off on the new isolationism. Pat Buchanan and Newt Gingrich, GREAT ROLE MODELS FOR LEFTIES!

(by the way, Empty Progressive, the server is having troubles with my posts too. Hate to blow another one of your masturbatory self-delusions)

Actually, they managed to get the Repubs to commit to 'something' about the Phase II probe of the Iraq war that was promised to be done a year ago

Ooooohhh...the republicans committed to something

You got us now, guys.

I tell you, these guys have the lowest threshold for "winning" I've ever seen. Guy loses an election by a few points in Ohio, it's a "win." They get an indictment of a second-tier staffer, it's a "win."

Self esteem issues, anyone?

They gotta take what they can get.

Cheesedicks. That made me laugh.

ok. is it safe to say this is one of those potty-mouthed flame throwing threads now?

if so: cocksuckballs.

and i don't know who I hate more Reid or Schumer. Reid is a slimy, simpleton prick...but he doesn't seem to apprehend how despicable he is...unlike Chuckie S. -- another majorleague jerkoff, but I kinda think he realizes -- and actually enjoys being a prick.

Watch your fucking mouth, bostonirish!!!

So, Shempy Progressive, was he actually ready to strike or was he only ready to be ready to strike or something? Because I do not feel very struck.

Weren't these the same bonesmokers who were warning us to be PREPARED FOR KARL ROVE AND DICK CHENEY'S INDICTMENTS!!!!!!

Now, Shempy Progressive is again coiled and poised to strike! I can't wait what he lays on us this time. Probably something awful like an almost win for an Ohio Democrat. The horror!

WE GOT JEFF GANNON!

actually Edward R. Murrow, I said something because I'm not sure what they're committing to.

Did the Repubs commit to actually beginning the probe? completing it? did they appoint 6 people to study the progress of the probe comittee? etc.

Please, don't curse.
Think of the children.

Oh, sorry about that.

Please, don't curse. Think of the children.

Whatever.

Fuck.

I was sucked up into an alien space craft with Farrakan, and the greys showed me Bush's plan to pressure dictators and promote democracy around the globe. But they also showed me how to put an end to this perfidious neocon plan to promote women's rights in the middle east, and tomorrow Chimpy is going to be frog-marched out of the White House, I know it! Then we're going to make the DNC radioactive! YEEEARGH!

Monty said: "that shitty flick The Rock"

I challenge you to a duel, sir.

But in the end...
There were no WMD's
we are losing in Iraq..
Its hard to argue with reality...

Think of the children.

I'd rather meditate on bbecks boobage.

tell you what, you stick to your sexual fantasy (I hear it's still legal in Japan) I'll stick to mine

we are losing in Iraq..

I guess you missed that thing about elections and a constitution and whatnot.

Look, I know you lefties really, really, really want our troops to fail over there, but wishing it just won't make it true.

Don't you have a "support the troops by reveling in their deaths" rally to be off to?

Its hard to argue with reality...

Man, but you motherfuckers keep trying, don't you?

There were no WMD's
Except the ones we found, both in Iraq & shipped over to Syria
we are losing in Iraq..
I know. I was shocked when Saddam recaptured Baghdad.
Its hard to argue with reality...
And yet you keep trying. I give you a solid B+ for effort

But in the end... There were no WMD's

It's nice to be able to say that with certainty, isn't it? Also: Saddam will never, ever have WMD in the future, either. Ahh. That's something we wouldn't have had under an administration only willing to disarm him in the here and now, and never something we would have had if left up to the UN.

Let's bask in that wonderful certainty, and thank our armed forces for providing it once and for all.

we are losing in Iraq.. Its hard to argue with reality...

It's funny, every time the Iraqis have an election, it succeeds wildly beyond the expectations of the media that fucks up their war reporting and the people who trust the media's frame of reference. In the end, they just have to ignore all the good things that are happening and pretend that this is Vietnam.

Because it's hard to argue with reality. Best to just disengage and count the dead with Mother Sheehan. Don't listen to her too closely though. Heard she's fucking insane.

You guys know what else is hard? For one of these dickroaches to come up with a post that doesn't sound like Kirk on valium. I predict the "." key... on dr lloyd's keyboard... is worn smoother than... his stubby little knobgoblin...

Get ready for more diarrhea and whining from your dear leaders, Kool-Aid heads.

This is only the beginning. Need I remind you of the indictements of Abramoff, DeLay, Savafian, Roe, and Libby?

I cannot wait for Abramoff, true to his sleazebag self, to rat on the "exterminator". And he will. Slime balls always do.

The rot and the dissembling in the White House and the Administration at large are finally being exposed. Do not think, Kool-Aid heads, that it is the end of it.

What goes around, comes around. You are all too stupid to believe that history does not repeat itself. It does, every time. The time of reckoning has come.

And, Kool-Aid heads, a majority of people (read the polls) is really pissed off . So, we won't cut you any slack .

In earlier times, this would have been enough to start a civil war.

Make no mistake, right-nutters, we'll get you. We'll get you legally as behooves a civilized society, but we'll get you.

You will be made to pay dearly for the political and economic disasters you fostered upon us. And we will have no mercy.

It is just a question of time.

Revenge is a dish best eaten cold.

The demacrats need a new symbol for their party how about a old sow lying on her side with all the little piggies suckling away standing for all the kind of pork that the demacrats are always want to spend OUR MONEY ON

And with tabasco sauce.

Mmmmhmmm...I loves me some tabasco.

Need I remind you of the indictements of Abramoff, DeLay, Savafian, Roe, and Libby?

Apparently, because I'm all "Who?, Ha!, Who?, Who? and Ha!" That's some real top-level bullshit there, man! So, what's your opinion on Chucky Schumer's dumpster diving divas, you PARAGON OF ETHICS?

Really, you guys are the most flaccid, factless, fat-headed fuckarounds ever.

Try triple spacing your comments to make it look like you have something important to say.

It might help.

PS: Still not feeling struck.

Quite the troll infestation we've got here tonight, by the way. Any particular reason for that?

Hey EP, Clinton was IMPEACHED and disbarred. Get over it. That's alot worse than being indicted.

You're like these French Cops. Loser. You'll never get W and GANNON WILL RISE AGAIN! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Sounds to me like someone doesn't like thier Fitzmas present. Hey we know you didn't want new underwear, but your draws are all smelly and stained so its what you needed.

Especially now that we're not only going to overturn Roe vs Wade and force wymyns into breeder camps, but we're going back in time to indict roe while we're at it. Thats the ticket.

Screw that, man, we're going back in time to re-write the Constitution and include no language to support Roe vs Wade in the first place!!!

Oh, wait...

The flatulent chikenhawks are up in arms, it seems. Looks like Frist' s diarrhea is contagious.

Mommy, the Democrats make me crap my pants because they were so mean to me!

Just wait, chickenhawks, this is just a rehearsal.

By the way, cowards, how come you are still shitting comfortably in your home toilets?

If you are such great advocates of the war, how come you are not in Iraq?

Because the shitting might be a lot less comfortable? Because, you could get your yellow leaking asses blown up?

Gee! And I thought you people actually had the COURAGE of your convictions. I am so disappointed in you!

If you are such great advocates of the war, how come you are not in Iraq?

Whoa. Never heard that argument before.

Find a new fucking argument you stupid, boneheaded moron. The chickenhawk bullshit is a weak attempt at silencing your critics.

Oh, and it's been used A THOUSAND FUCKING TIMES BEFORE, SHIT-FOR-BRAINS.

And if Shemp really was an opponent of the war, he would be over there fighting for the Iraqis. He probably owns haliburton stock, the bastard.

Hey chicken martyr why aren't you over there blowing yourself up to support the insurgents? You weak-ass member of the keyboarder jihadists.

So, how do the jackboots fit, Shempy? Do you have to spend a lot of time polishing them because people don't ever let you get away with the crushing heel of the chickenhawk meme? Seriously, try the triple spacing, because I'm still not feeling it.

Good night little Kool-Aid heads,

Make sure Mommy has enough diapers just in case you dream about actually fighting in Iraq. Leaks have been known to happen when chickenhawks have nightmares about actually facing combat.

Say a prayer for llittle Bill Frist because the Democrats were sooooo mean to him today. Imagine! They actually wanted him to do the job for which the taxpayers are paying him! What a shame! Bad, bad, Democrats!

Oh please.

The only way EP could blow himself up is with a steady diet of pop rocks, soda and Taco Bell. Dude's a fucking keyboard warrior who is up way past his curfew.

Yup, a coward. All willing to "oppose" the Bush Regime and their illegal war for sand by sitting safely at home and typing on blogs, or maybe going out to an "action" and vandalizing government buildings or the proletariats possesions. But over in Iraq, where he could do some evil, he avoids it.
A coward without the courage of his convictions.

But at least he gets to indict Roe!

Dumbass doesn't even have the reading comprehension to respond to anything. He's stuck on page one of the Progressive Bullshit And You, How To Babble Like A Fucking Parrot And Never Say You're Sorry.

That's the page that says "Just type the same fucking thing over and over again non stop. If we were evil capitalists, we would outsource this function to text-spewing spambots but in the brave world of the progressive future we're going to keep on doing things the old fashioned way".

Also, if anyone is curious, page two says the same thing as page one.

There is no third page.

Chickenhawks???

AAAAAAHH! Get the Bactine! It stings!

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh!!!!!

Quite an amazing level of discourse you've got going on here.

Well, Jim, the folks on your side tend to be drooling retards, so we usually just mock them.

You can now return to your shitty blog that no one reads. Thanks for stopping by, though!

Using your logic EP, and assuming you come from a solid progressive home, why weren't you aborted?

No need to go to Iraq, One needs only visit our erstwhile partner France for a taste of good ole multiculturalism and jihadism. Rioting by muslim youths continues unabated for a 6th straight night in the suburbs of gay Paree. Is that a two state solution I smell brewing? Perhaps the UN can advise.

I mean, really, this blog couldn't suck any more ass if it came equipped with an electrified ass-suckin' machine.

"Ace of spades." More like the four of hearts.

In earlier times, this would have been enough to start a civil war.

You mean when shitstains like you actually had a pair?

You know you've beaten them thoroughly when they start making references to Bush and cocaine.

Funny how all these hippie druggies are so eager to disparage Bush for the rumored use of cocaine and his admitted abuse of alcohol. Funny how these delightfully tolerant and caring souls don't believe in the power of redemption or understand the courage and strength necessary to overcome a former addiction.

These fuckers show you who they really are every single time if you just give them long enough.

As I said previously, further investigation would be a "monumental waste of time", but, as I've also said, I've been persuing the Phase 2 investigation without the grandstanding from the democrats. So they'll get their report, which I was doing anyway. Even though there's nothing to investigate. Or something

You liberals should have more respect. We've lost dozens of soldiers to this war!

Yeah, "Warden," we're thoroughly beaten just because we occasionally remind you that your "war hero" preznit has been known to jam a few thousand lines of cocaine up his pampered nostrils.

I probably know more than you'll ever know about the power of redemption. But Bush hasn't shown one iota of courage or strength, and there's considerable evidence that he's back on the blow (clench your jaw much, Mr. Preznit?), or at the very least the bottle.

So spare me your crocodile tears about my lack of compassion, 'k?

Aw, wazza matter, the Dems use a Senate Rule to actually make the Senate use it's supervisory powers and you all go twiddly! You'd think you'd have thicker skins, what with the way you throw young lives away so callously.

Wow, this little corner of Ace's evil empire has turned into a renaissance fest for the wacky members of the alternative reality based community (ARBC). It's so pretty, all the little myths, legends and tall tales being thrown back and forth.

Ahh, Bush's coke problem. That's awesome! Keep it up!

I always enjoy a good "no wmd" circle jerk. Way to go Lloyd, did you make that Paul Wellstone cosplay outfit yourself?

I see my distant cousin JoefromaHO has been practicing his male bonding, campfire warrior dances. You almost are as tough as the internet warrior you troll as. The smell of revenge is sweet indeed! The Bush has cockroach brains myth is my favorite. It's so pointless and wrong, yet if you yell it at the top of your lungs, you get a good buzz.

Did I catch the sound of someone putting forth the "losing Iraq" ditty? So cute. So wrong.

Hey, Sortelli, why are you mingling with these ARBCers while they are partying? Let them have their fun. You have to understand that one of their minor deities "Fitzmas" has not delivered tidings of the impending judgment day, as their oracle had foretold. That’s a major dose of reality that hurts their playtime, they need to do something loud and pointless to blow off steam. It's not fair for you to keep bullying them to explore their mythology past its rational stopping point.

These guys really can't be parodied.

Bush is using cocaine! His jaw is clenching!

Mmmmmhmmmmm. That's convicing. No really. Take that one into 2006.

I probably know more than you'll ever know about the power of redemption.

No you don't. You're a dishonest, spiteful little fuck.

you're forgetting my, i mean your, victory in toppling the infidel saddam!

osama is right. the outlines of the new islamic republic are becoming clear! thank you, mister president bush!

Mmmmph mmmmm mmph MMMmmm...

show of hands, who's supporting my presidential run?

no, i'm serious

Shouldn't you be in school?

Doesn't posting under two names violate some cosplay rule of the ARBC, DB?

How's that whole Wahhibist thing working out for you anyway, binny? Would this Islamic republic be the flavor you savor? I hear Sharia hasn't been endearing you to the locals.

Oh, thats a new myth, Insider Trading Frist. Believe what you can, little man.

Whahaaa what?

Islmabama?

as long as a country's constitution is rooted in the koran, it's a thousand times better than that socialist saddam. now, the sauds, there's a devout people. i'm glad you americans embrace them so readily; they mean you no harm. heh.

OsambaLabamba?

ix-nay on the audi-say errorist-tay onnections-kay.

"What's over" is the free ride BushCo's & his Republican minions have been getting from the media and the public for the last 6 years. "Look around/leaves are brown/there's a patch of snow on the ground":

Libby's indicted - Cheney will be called to testify under oath at trial. The indictment specifies that Cheney learned Plame's identify from the CIA, passed it to Scooter, he passed it to the media. The indictment also specifies that Plame was a covert agent, and that her identity was outed by Libby, and that both Cheney and Libby KNEW her identity was classified..

Meanwhile, back at the ranch: Delay's got multiple indictments, Frist is being investigated for insider trading by the SEC, the Abramhoff scandal is growing, and Patrick Fitzgerald may still indict Turd Blossom. The Senate will now look into the WMD lies that lead to an ill-advised war that, according to the experts, we are now officially losing; we've poured $350,000,000.00 down a rathole in the desert with no appreciable results except we've created and financed the world's #1 terrorist training ground, and mid-term elections grow closer daily. Oh, yeah, and 55% of the public believe this is a "failed Presidency".

But hey, let's put on a happy face and root for Judge "Scalito" to distract the public, cause its the only card left to play.

That's what's over, gentlemen.

joeindc is right. the only "news sources" that question my blind trust are commie organs like this

Libbycheneyrove?

Har! Terrier training ground!

Failed presimency.

Is it just me or does Sen. Frist seem shaken? I hope it's just me.

"What's over" is the free ride BushCo's & his Republican minions have been getting from the media and the public for the last 6 years.

Oh. You mean, the Libby indictment was all you hoped for from Fitzmas? And you still think it's going to bring the Bush administration down? Seriously, how many times can you guys be this close to victory, be disappointed, then let your hopes up again? Aren't you just a leeeetle bit sick of it yet?

Incidentally, do you know the difference between "classified" and "covert"? The indictment certainly did not specify Plame was the latter.

C'mere Michelle....gotta give you something...s's a secret heh heh heh.

I guess we can both agree that the only good socialist is a dead socialist, binny.

America and Saudi Arabia have had a good relationship, probably even before FDR made them eligible for lend-lease weaponry. Of course, with so many rich twits lying around, some have turned to idiotic past times. These folks usually meet with violent deaths too. I wouldn't put what's left of your money on any bets that the King would pick you over the USA though.

Of course, one we get done with Iraq, giving them a dose of "whiskey, sexy, democracy," I doubt there will be any religion left that you recognize. Great plan though. It almost was crazy enough to work. Ok, it was just crazy.

Did someone say whiskey and sex?

Excuse me, fine sir. Allow me to introduce myself. I am Edward Kennedy, Massachussets Senator. I have heard tale that you may have knowledge of fine drink and finer women? Might this be true, and if so, might I induce an invitation to join in the festivities?

joe, you and i agree on plenty. the radical secularists must be defeated!

this is the most intellectually rigorous conservative blog i've ever seen.

"Meanwhile, back at the ranch: Delay's got multiple indictments, Frist is being investigated for insider trading by the SEC, the Abramhoff scandal is growing, and Patrick Fitzgerald may still indict Turd Blossom. The Senate will now look into the WMD lies that lead to an ill-advised war that, according to the experts, we are now officially losing; we've poured $350,000,000.00 down a rathole in the desert with no appreciable results except we've created and financed the world's #1 terrorist training ground, and mid-term elections grow closer daily. Oh, yeah, and 55% of the public believe this is a "failed Presidency"."

Boy, this guy is, what's the word? A shit head. Yes, a full fledged member of the ARBC. Fellow Ace posters will note that instead of forming a coherent message, his only hope is to string together nonsense in the hope that the listener or read will simply give up, rather than deal with such horse shit.

Let's not:

Delay's got multiple indictments

These indictments include one count for a crime that was not codified when the acts took place, and another for money laundering that fails to allege where money was from illegal proceeds. These indictments are a joke. That’s why it took several grand juries to get them.

Frist is being investigated for insider trading by the SEC?

What? No indictment? The only colorable evidence for insider trading is that the price went down after he sold it, yet the sale was contemplated months before it was actually carried out. The sales process was vetted by lawyers. Sounds like a winng cause for a lefty to get behind.

Abramhoff scandal is growing

How's that going? Isn't this just filler?

Patrick Fitzgerald may still indict Turd Blossom.

Its over. Get over it.

The Senate will now look into the WMD lies that lead to an ill-advised war that, according to the experts, we are now officially losing;

This is interesting. Define expert or define losing. Define lies. This sentence is completely devoid of thought and facts and history. To say we are losing implies that we are moving backwards. To say that the WMD fear were lies ignores everyone who believed they were true, including it seems, Saddam. Oh yes, he had no WMDs, except for the ones he used. And except for his scientists and labs.

As for the rest its pure masturbatory fantasizing by an ARBC who are still trying to figure out how to legal change those 50000 votes they needed to "switch" in Ohio to officially win in 2004. Your type has said the same things every two years since 94.

no whiskey for me, thanks. i'm on the wagon. no, really.

bins, just stay on the cell phone for another 10 seconds...

Hey, at least you are admitting your, ahem, spiritual aims. Some people keep trying to use you as the poster boy for global immizeration. You know, that instead of being ratshit crazy, you are actually the sign of the Baran-Wallerstein thesis coming true.

Its must be frustrating to be the poster boy for radical secularists and neo-socialists.

Any plans for a memorial to the battle of Andalucia? Which your side lost? Or Fallujah, which you guys lost? Or Afghanistan? Too bad you are winning the battle for London and Harvard.

Or Fallujah, which you guys lost? Or Afghanistan?

all those martyrs! and i got away! and my american friends got rid of the infidel saddam! best of all possible worlds!

Its must be frustrating to be the poster boy for radical secularists and neo-socialists.

how so? the islamic republic of iraq has been written into law - complete with a privatized oil industry. admittedly, the overweening influence of those pesky iranians doesn't make me too happy, but they are a devout people, so i can live with it. gotta throw the shi'ia a bone, i suppose.

global immizeration

okay, i'll bite. what language is that?

Its Chomsky language, the sort of person who spouts theories that you were chosen by the Bush administration to do what you do. It seems that the spelling could go either way, with a z or a s.

Its no big deal, its just what your western backers think you are talking about:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=4954

At least you and I understand one another.

Actually, maybe I misrepresented some of your supporters in the west, particularly in America. Some are socialists. The rest are the sort of people that think that fighting back only makes you angrier and more powerful. They forget about how you use Somalia as a lesson, that we would run away if hurt.

I love visiting the bizarro world of the rightwingnuts.
Iraq is a success.
Bush is competent
The deficit is a surplus
Brownie did a great job
Libby's a great american

Reid's move was a crybaby stunt...Of course, if it was then you have to wonder why the republicans agreed to it then?

have a nice day, lunatics....

Iraq is neither a success nor a failure...yet. But they overwhelmingly approved a constitution! Isn't that great? Isn't it? Isn't it?

Bush makes good decisions and bad ones. I tend to agree with him on the big issues, though he lets me down too often on other issues.

The deficit is a deficit, but the economy is humming along at an excellent rate, so the tax cuts did more good than harm.

Brownie did an average job for the titular head of a giant lumbering bureaucracy that, in any case, isn't intended to be the first responder in an emergency.

Libby's an effect political consultant. He is, by reputation, not a stupid man. If he lied before the court as blatantly as it is alleged, than he IS a stupid man. And he should be punished. We'll see.

The Republicans didn't agree to Reid's stunt. They were fucking furious, judging from interviews. There was simply no procedural method to stop it.

Still, it's more fun to debate cartoon Republicans, I suppose. You have a chance of winning, then.

Chips, welcome aboard! It's always great to have a cosplay ARBC member show up. Who are you dressed as? Madeline Albright? Good job. As for your post, its so cute, I love the way you manage to make your personal biases and vitriol into your own reality.

So, stick around awhile, if you dare, there are places where we discuss the bizarro idea that maybe Plame was not actually a NOC, or that Joe Wilson might have a touch of veracity troubles.

This blog is also a place where the bizarro world of law is explored in a new and unique way (its also a place for me to essentially skip work. At work!). For example, we actually looked up the criminal statute that Tom Delay was indicted under! Oops, it turns out that the indictment, the facts and the law each seem incongruent. Bizarre, man!

What else? Oh, the whole Iraq thing. Yes, it's true we think that we are not losing. I bet its weird to meet people who disagree with you, Chips, but if you look around you can find links to news about battles and soldier's blogs. Stuff you never get to read in your ARBC fan clubs. Did you know that Iraq recently voted on a constitution? Bizarre, but true. Yeah, I know, in the cosplay ARBC, the militant Islamists who blow up children are "freedom fighters" like the "minute men." Here we have a different bizarre version of reality.

Oh yes, the deficit. Man, you got us there. Some rightwingnuts actually compute how much the deficit is versus how much money we have. Can you believe that, comparing numbers and ideas? These guys say that as a percentage of GDP, its not so bad. Some rightwingnuts sometimes disagree with other rightwingnuts, you know "is it too high" or "is it just right" or "Should we go with the flat tax." Yes, disagreement among people who generally share the same political view. And, even wierder, you disagree with these people! I know, I know, Clinton balanced the budget all by himself, and if he was king for life, it still would be. Because he would raises taxes until we had enough money to spend all the money we have!

I know, I have heard it before, Bush sucks. You know, some ARBC members think that he's "not too bright." They don't like it when us rightwingnuts point out he got better grades at Yale than Kerry. But don't let our divergence with your own communal reality ruin your day.

We even have a discussion about how 50-cent "dissed" Kayne. You like celebrities, don't you?

Its Chomsky language

that explains my befuddlement. i don't read socialists or jews.

MMMMMPH! MMMMM MMMM MMMMPH!!

*knock* *knock* *knock*

MmmMMMPH!! MMMM...MMMM... mmm... mm...

*scratch*
*scratch*
*scratch*

mmph... mm... mmmmmm... mm...

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and who is this other osama? he sounds like he's in much worse shape than me.

I'm very please that the American left has been so helpful to my cause. Their anti-Americanism can always be counted on.

As a reward, I will behead them last.

back to the topic at hand, was roberts acually working on this "monumental waste of time" ("Phase 2") all along? or did he just cave to reid? and if the answer is the former, then why would he waste so much time on a non-issue (other than the fact that he said he would before the election)? and if the answer is the latter, hahahahahaha.

beheading isn't so bad. we do it all the time. but only for serious offenses, like adultery.

Robert Lewis is the flaming asswipe who claimed he had proof Plame's outing led to a CIA agent being killed and a star added to the Wall of Honor at Langley. Turns out he lied about that. Which just goes to show you, these douchebags will lie about anything, even the death of American heros.

Whew boy, I'm sure glad I moved to Chappaqua instead of Riyadh! Even though I gotta tellya, them Arab babes are smokin' hot, if you can get 'em to shave their armpits and upper lips. It ain't like I ain't asked Hillary to do that before! Yeehaw where's mah Big Mac?

Here is a rought draft for my membership application to the local cosplay ARBC collective:

BTW, would ARBCos be a cooler designation for the alternative reality types who visit this site and put up brilliant taunts like "bush is teh dumb?" (BTW, as this is my 100th post today, I think I will just chalk up today as a vacation day, who is up for drinks?)

Anyway, my attempt to create an ARBCos myth to become a member of the progressive reality based community:

"No, Spongeworthy, you are the retard rethuglican who is too dumb to get the point. She did too get a star. Like Dumbledore in HBP, she was already dead when Joe Wilson went to Africa to conclusively prove that Iraq had never approached that country or any other country in Africa to buy Uranium, because we all know that Iraq bought WMDs from Ronald Reagan so we should have never let the Jews convince us to invade Iraq.

Joe Wilson went on that trip, knowing his wife was already dead, but that it was important for him to expose the truth about Bush before it was too late. Plame was killed trying to get her husband that mission to Niger, but had forced Joe to make an unbreakable promise to expose Bush, thus keeping her alive until the time a magical Vanity Fair magazine unstoppered her death. Wilson could not let people know who got him that job. Get it?

Is it any wonder, then, why Bush (or rather Bush's true brains like Rove or Gannon) had to crush Wilson by punishing him by leaking that his wife was a NOC under protection by the CIA? Is it any wonder that Bush blackmailed Fitzmas into lying to protect his failed administration?

But that is why Valerie Plame's star was added to teh CIA wall (I saw the Recruit, ya know) because Bush killed her as she was trying to prove Iraq was peaceful and definately, for-sure, non WMD having.

The end"

thank god that oral-sex-havin clinton didn't move to riyadh. i mean, i know my folks like him, but you think i want him around interruptin my retirement?

Spongeworthy is the lying cocksucker who claims I said "I had proof" a CIA agent had been killed courtesty of Plamegate. What I said was, and still maintain, is that there have been reports that CIA agents/assets were compromised, that the Libby indictment specifically states that Cheney and Libby KNEW Plame was in the operations section of the CIA and that her identity was classified, and they leaked the info anyhow, and that there is an anonymous star on the CIA Wall of Fame who 2003 date is within the time frame of the Plame outing. So bite me, spongewad.

hmm, that star in 2003 probably has more to do with actual agents who were actually fighting the war on terror and got killed, instead of non-covert desk jockies appearing in fucking Vanity Fair. Or writing op-eds about their tax payer financed trip to Niger?

And how did that leak go, something along the lines of "I would be careful in believing everything Wilson says. His wife works at the CIA and got him that job." Ouch, such punishment.

robert lewis, what source would you trust in telling you that Plame has not been covert since the mid-1990s?

Would something filed in court be trustworthy to you? How about something filed by the New York Times, or ABC, or CBS, or any of those guys?

What would convince you? I'm betting you can't possibly be convinced by anyone or anything. This sort of stuff is religious to you moonbats, you take things like this as tenets of faith.

Hey all,

Been real busy. Hey Weasel - did I win the bet?

Or what?

Seems to me a KO --if you read the INDICTMENT.

And of course, if Libby flips...

Well anyway, if Harry Reid can get the Repubs to, you know, DO THEIR FUCKING JOBS, then there's a chance Scooter will decide he better flip before the info becomes public anyway.

Heh.

Wow, just beginning to see that some of you still don't understand that disclosing classified information is against the law. Doesn't matter if Plame was covert or not.

Jeez.

Why are Republicans on the Senate Intelligence Committee so afraid of completing Phase II of the report? They quit cooperating and got lawyered up back in July. Why do Dems have to pull these stunts to get Republicans to do their jobs? Why are they conspiring with the Executive instead of doing their constitutionally defined duty by serving as as check and balance against it?

Yes indeed, tubino, you won the bet. An indictment is an indictment, and that was the wager. I hung around all Friday night, waiting to give you the big wet one I promised, but you stood me up :-(

yay, Tubino's back. Bring on the crazy!

As for Phase II, I am not familiar with this piece of mythology, is it related to Fitzmas? Or Able Danger? I heard on the radio some GOP Senator talking about how he's been working on it, blah blah blah.

Why are Republicans on the Senate Intelligence Committee so afraid of completing Phase II of the report?

Exactly the point. And now there is SO MUCH MORE to see. The Niger forgery story is still evolving, with Hadley's role to be further uncovered. The WHIG role in catapulting the propaganda was somewhat uncovered by Fitzgerald. The indictment (and some further reporting) show how taxpayer-funded folks like Scooter were used to put the story (whatEVER the story of the day) out to reporters.

Up above, I just saw that Weasel said, "Knowing the Fitzmas was a terrible, grinding disappointment for so many bright-eyed, eager young lefties."

Maybe it's cuz I'm not so young anymore, but I thought it was a very good Fitzmas. If you actually read the indictment, it in fact tells who outed Plame. Odd how many people overlook that. And it tells the lies that were told to cover that up.

And it tells the names of many, plus Official A (=Rove), who were in on the deal.

Yet Bush couldn't manage to find this information out??? About HIS OWN STAFF???

And then fire them as promised????

He had to wait till an investigator found it out for him?

And it's not over yet. The charges were not so great, but the INDICTMENT is a killer document.

If you look at Fitz's history, there's reason to think he'll keep going till he gets more goods.

It seems to me that you did not place a lot of your sanity, hopes and dreams on the line so Fitzmas would hand down an indictment based on "Wow, just beginning to see that some of you still don't understand that disclosing classified information is against the law."

Maybe its all related to what Scoots gonna "flip" for?

Weasel, sorry I was away so long. Work, family, projects...

joeindc44 says, "As for Phase II, I am not familiar with this piece of mythology, is it related to Fitzmas? Or Able Danger? I heard on the radio some GOP Senator talking about how he's been working on it, blah blah blah."

They met once. Once. Left blogistan has been all over this for months, but the SCLM hasn't mentioned a word. That's why it took Reid's stunt to bring attention to it. A smart move.

If you care about the security of this country, you'll support an honest and thorough investigation. If the Republican party comes before your country, then... well, not so much support.

joeindc44: "Maybe its all related to what Scoots gonna "flip" for?"

Did you read the indictment? The whole thing?

There are some GREAT articles, some by Federal prosecutors, about what this all means. I've been trying to keep up, make up my mind on it.

Sometimes a smoking gun is just a smoking gun... and not a mushroom cloud.

What Robert said-

CIA has provided Fitzgerald with a list of agents/assets that were compromised (killed) following outing of Flame and Brewster Jennings.
Posted by: robert lewis on October 25, 2005 04:15 PM

And

With respect to the stars on the CIA wall, the fact is, there was an unidentified star added in the relevant time period - and the traitorous assholes in the White House - Cheney, Rove and Libby - were the ones who blew Plame and Brewster Jennings cover.
Posted by: robert lewis on October 26, 2005 09:37 AM

So why does Spongeworthy think you're a liar?
Keep the story straight, Robert.

Here's a bit from a Fed prosecutor with lots of experience, on the Fitz indictment.

That's some good ARBCos stuff you got there, Tubino! You got to be the craziest little cosplay democrat ever. You sure got them this time.

I am sure with another 2 years of investigation Fitzmas can get another person White House worker
to perjure themselves as well!

Let's have some fun, how did that "outing" go? "I wouldn't go too far with this Wilson guy, he's got some credibility problems. I hear his wife got him the job."

And all this time, we were arguing about the IPA or the WWI law about ship movements, when all you had to say was "disclosing classified information is against the law." Man, that was easy to do.

Hey Tubby, what law broken? Oh yeah, Libby lied or perjured himself or some trumped up Martha Stewart shit or other.

No law about outing secret agents was broken, just laws about lying to a grand jury. I wouldn't be surprised if the evidence against Libby was completely fabricated.

Wow I leave this thread for a day of work and it gets even more crazies.

And it must be illiterate monkeyfucking crazies, because they keep reposting points that were refuted 50 posts up.

And here I was getting excited that Miss Malkin posted again, only to find it was a fraud. No fitsmas present for you

I'll answer my own question about why they are afraid of Phase II: Two deputies of then Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith named Larry Franklin and Harold Rhode may very well have violated Section 502 of the National Security Act.

Yeah, run with that. got a cite?

Actually- what I said asshole, was:

[sources have said that the] CIA has provided Fitzgerald with a list of agents/assets that were compromised (killed) following outing of Flame and Brewster Jennings.
Posted by: robert lewis on October 25, 2005 04:15 PM

And

With respect to the stars on the CIA wall, the fact is, there was an unidentified star added in the relevant time period - and the traitorous assholes in the White House - Cheney, Rove and Libby - were the ones who blew Plame and Brewster Jennings cover.
Posted by: robert lewis on October 26, 2005 09:37 AM

So why does Spongeworthy think you're a liar?
Keep the story straight, Robert.

The facts are:

1. there is a star on the wall that was added during the relevant period,

2. according to patrick Fitzgerald, Cheney and Libby did blow Plame and Brewster Jennings cover; and

3. Cheney are Libby are traitorous assholes.

So what is it you don't understand, moron?

Left blogistan has been all over this for months,

like a fat woman on a toilet. it's the next inane talking point. and just like they have to pretend that the Clintons and Kerry and Kennedy and Biden and Pelosi and Daschle and Berger and Albright didn't say the same stuff about Saddam all the way back to 1997, they will also pretend that phase II is a "new thing", full of "startling revelations".

and it will flop like the Fitzgerald investigation.

it's amazing to watch this, really. the moonbat branch of the left has coopted the party and they are running with it.

Just like Jay Rockefeller's 2003 memo said they would.

it also said they would only get one shot. be careful Dems.

Sue Donhim - what source would I trust? How about the CIA - who filed a criminal complaint that alleged that Plame was covert. How about a Special Prosecutor, appointed by Republicans, who stated for the record that Valerie Plame was a covert agent for the CIA.

As for Fox News - nah - I don't trust them.

Gee, robbie, asshole and moron?
I guess you don't like your own words cut and pasted.
Tough talk from way out (way, way out) in the blogosphere. Hope you didn't hurt your hunt-and-peck fingers pounding out the letters.
Prove the charges in your 'facts', tinfoil boy.
You haven't met a fact you like.
Spongeworyth's right.
Punk.

Trust the CIA? The agency thats been in complete CYA mode since 9/11 (along with DIA, FBI, and several others)? The same agency that sent Wilson to Niger(without requiring confidentiality) specifically to prove Bush wrong (and when Wilson didn't he went and lied in the NYT to make his case).

It reminds me of that Powell underling at Foggy Bottom complaining about how a "cabal" of the Veep and cabinet had ursurped the diplomatic powers from State. You know, the Cabinet actually making the decisions rather than lifelong leftist bueracrats.

Republicans put off part of the investigation until after the election. After the election, they said, "why do this investigation, the election's over." Republicans stonewalled an investigation for months. Nothing got done. Democrats forced the issue, using legitimate Senate rules. The Democrats' constituents, you see, would like to know something about how we got fooled into going to war over weapons of mass destruction which were not there. Republicans are hopping mad, crying and whining about "political stunts." Republicans don't care whether or not lies were told. Republicans don't care whether or not soldiers died in service of a pack of lies. Republicans don't care about keeping their word. Republicans don't care about their constitutional mandate to provide "checks and balances." Republicans don't give a damn about what American citizens want unless they sit on corporate boards. And you conservatives on this board are just pathetic. Show a little courage and the slightest bit of morals, not to mention a little old-fashioned patriotism and just give it up: you know they lied and manipulated intelligence to start this war. You all know this! If you don't know this by now, you are no better than a brainwashed moron. And, if you do know this and don't admit it, you're a coward. Stand up, conservatives and be good Americans!

WAAAAAAAAAHHHH!

I wanted a Rove and a Cheney for Fritzmas and all I got was a Scooter!

WAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

Sue Dohnin: if perjury and obstruction of justice are not crimes, why did you try to impeach a president over them?

Micahel Moore is a traitor but Karl Rove isn't.

Whatever.

BTW, you can all apologize to those tree-huggers from San Francisco who marched against the war.

They were correct.

Waaaaaaaahhhhh, they slapped poor Bill Frist in the face. Waaaaahhhh, they embarassed the majority party. Waaaaahhh, perjury and obstruction are not real crimes!

"No law about outing secret agents was broken, just laws about lying to a grand jury. "

Guess you missed that part of her post, eh, Billy boy?

"Micahel [sic] Moore is a traitor but Karl Rove isn't."

Not sure what one has to do with the other, but in any case Mikey the Hutt's not a traitor. He's an obese lying sack of shit and a scumbag hypocrite, but not a traitor.

Zetetic, go back and read Fitzgerald's statement. This is not over and I really don't know why conservatives need to keep acting like it's over. And, whether or not a law was broken, we do know that a secret operative was outed. And, unless we're plugging our ears and shutting our eyes, we know the president lied about the entire affair. Didn't Bush say that if anyone was involved, they would no longer be with the administration? Didn't Bush's spokesman say Libby and Rove were not involved? Is politics more important than national security to you people?

Sue Dohmin:
"I wouldn't be surprised if the evidence against Libby was completely fabricated."

No you wouldn't.

Thanks for adding your 2 cents.
Now take this nickel and go by yourself some candy, genius.

Bill, don't waste your time w/ these idiots.

That moron Zeitic's got a problem w/ a film maker, but not w/ a traitor.

Let's see how many of these fools admit they voted for Bush in 10 years.
My over/ under is 120 Americans.

Any takers out there?

I'd say the "obese lying sack of shit and scumbag hypocrite" is Dick Cheney. Cheney said, "there's no doubt that Saddam has reconstituted his nuclear weapons program." That was a goddamn lie. There was doubt and you know it. And Cheney's goddamn lie has been responsible for 100,000 deaths. Michael Moore said they were lying to start a war. Right about now, it looks like Moore was right.

That was a goddamn lie. There was doubt and you know it. And Cheney's goddamn lie has been responsible for 100,000 deaths.

Holy cow! What I know is, you're crazier than a whole crazy SACK of shit-house rats!

Thanks, Robert, you are right. But, I must be getting too old. I've never seen anything like this. When Nixon was commiting constitutional crimes, principled republicans turned on him. When it was clear that Viet Nam was a mistake, democrats turned on LBJ. What has happened to conservatives in this country? They seem to revel in their own ignorance and wear it like a badge of honor.

Ah, so I suppose you think "Full-of-shite 9/11" was gospel truth, right, Bilbo?

And by the way, Bobbo, it's Z-E-T-E-T-I-C. Moron.

Hey Weasel, is that what passes for an argument in your weasil hole? Pathetic.

Hey ZEITIC, I'm waiting for a cogent argument if you've got one, but you don't seem to have one. You're good at calling people names, however, and I'm sure that's a fine skill for a guy like you.

Here's a hint for you ZEITIC: if you think someone's lying, let's hear the lie. Just calling someone a liar is weak -- let's hear the argument -- what was the lie and why was it a lie.

Bill, on my planet, we don't argue with people who ain't all there. It's uncharitable, pointless...and some of it might wipe off on us.

I have to ask, though: special needs, or not a native English speaker? The effect is the same, but the ethical difference is significant.

I'm waiting, motherfucker. What has Moore ever said that's even in the same league as "there's no doubt Saddam has reconstituted his nuclear weapons program."

A) You need to learn how to read, Bill. Once again, it's Z-E-T-E-T-I-C. If you misspell it again, I just have to assume you're an idiot. (Which I already do, so no biggie.)

B) If you're unfamiliar with Mikey the Hutt's numerous lies, that's not my problem. They're out there. Educate yourself. Buh bye now.

How very Stalinist of you Weasil. At the peak of Soviet dominance over the communist bloc, they would call critics "crazy" and commit them to "mental institutions." It's a great way to avoid having to deal with troubling questions. It's also intellectually dishonest and cowardly, but that's what any thinking person expects from a weasil.

Zeitic, that's just what I expected a coward to do. Run and hide. You called Moore a liar. I want to know what the fuck you're talking about. You say b, bye now. If you can't make an argument, go fuck yourself.

Zeitic, that's just what I expected a coward to do. Run and hide. You called Moore a liar. I want to know what the fuck you're talking about. You say b, bye now. If you can't make an argument, go fuck yourself.

It's also intellectually dishonest and cowardly, but that's what any thinking person expects from a weasil.

Yo! Bill! Take the hint! Most thinking people can spell simple words like "weasel" and even complex ones like "zetetic." Retards can't.

OK, I'll leave you all alone now. You can all get back to your conservative circle-jerk and convince yourselves that everything's fine. Once in a while, I come hear to see if there are any decent arguments being posited by conservatives. Same old thing: no substance, all bullshit.

Weasil, you still haven't made an argument. I don't think you can. Before you start calling people "retards," maybe you should figure out an argument and make it. Again, calling someone a "retard" may be an argument in your weasil hole, but not in my house. I really am going home, now, so I won't see your curt reply. Don't waste your time.

Wow, Bill totally brought down the house with his retread cosplay Democrat raving. That's some good fantasy universe you got there. You and Tubino should get together and roll your 20 sided die of political conspiracy.

BTW, in your fantasy world where Plame was an active covert agent, did she get her husband the job to look for nukes in Nigeria?

Bill screeched:
I'm waiting, motherfucker. What has Moore ever said that's even in the same league as "there's no doubt Saddam has reconstituted his nuclear weapons program."

Without going into all of the lies that traitorous scumbag said, why don't you listen to your democrap friends?

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

Also, who gets to "out" classified information anyway? I mean, since we have law professors like Tubino and the other alternate reality squad members, let's get our metaphysical freak on, suppose Bush said I have had it with this Wilson dude, lets open the bag on him, he is no longer classified. Does the president have that power?

Or suppose the president wants to talk about a top secret, super duper covert CIA prison ring for top terrorists, can he say, "nope, not classified anymore?"

What liberal do I have to spoon out crazy chow to in order to get the cite for the newest law someone broke (this being the act that will bring forth the end of the Bush, i.e. Fitzmas II)?

That was me at 7:59pm.
Now you know who to swear at.

"Now you know who to swear at."

And whose name to misspell.

robert lewis wrote:
Sue Donhim - what source would I trust? How about the CIA - who filed a criminal complaint that alleged that Plame was covert. How about a Special Prosecutor, appointed by Republicans, who stated for the record that Valerie Plame was a covert agent for the CIA.

As for Fox News - nah - I don't trust them.

I wasn't going to use Fox News as a source, even though they're more consistent and reliable than most other media outlets (not that that's saying much.)

Since these are the only two sources you trust, then you must know that neither of your sources has proof of anyone outing Valerie Plame.

There is plenty of proof from other sources that Plame was not a covert agent at the time of Bob Novak's column, however. You just name a news outlet that you trust, and I'll show you how they have already contended that Plame was not a covert agent when Novak "outed" her.

Bill wrote:
Sue Dohnin: if perjury and obstruction of justice are not crimes, why did you try to impeach a president over them?

I didn't try to impeach anyone. I also never said that perjury wasn't a crime. This trumped-up charge on Libby is ridiculous if you want to compare it to Clinton's indiscretions, though. Clinton lied about something he did that was actually wrong. If he had done nothing wrong, he would not have bothered to pay out $850,000 to settle the case.

Robert wrote:

No you wouldn't.

Thanks for adding your 2 cents.Now take this nickel and go by yourself some candy, genius.

As Bill Clinton said to Paula Jones: "Kiss it."

The 'bats sure get vicious when you refuse to bend the knee to their dogma, don't they?

Sue - you're really way too stupid to bother with - but both the CIA and Fitzgerald have stated that Plame was covert - and outed by Libby. You think the fucking CIA does not know who their covert agents are? Additionally, she was under the Directorate of Operations at the CIA - and was acknowledged as a NOC agent.

As for Fox News - study at the University of Alabama Media Studies says the more one listens to Fox News, the greater the chance that the person holds incorrect beleifs about current events. Google it, bitch.

By the way - more bad news for you neocon asswipes:

"President Bush's job approval has reached the lowest level yet. Only 35 percent approve of the job he's doing."

Hm. Three "facts." Absolutely no attribution.

Do you work for the MSM?

Bitch?

Fitzgerald have stated that Plame was covert

I believe that Fitzgerald specifically said that he could not claim that she was 'covert.'

Not that I would normally bother replying to someone who is as poorly conversant with the facts as our sad little troll.

Why are Republicans on the Senate Intelligence Committee so afraid of completing Phase II of the report?

Phase1: Collect underpants!

Phase2: ..............................

Phase3: Profit!

Can't give me one, just one news outlet, huh robert? Don't want to be proven wrong, huh? I knew you were just another gutless piece of dogshit. Thanks for confirming it.

By the way, Libby wasn't indicted for outing Plame. No one has been indicted for outing Plame. AND NO ONE WILL BE.

I guess we should give Robert an infinitesimal bit of credit for his embrace of AoSHQ debate culture instead of whining about the name-calling like so many of the other thin-skinned lefty trolls.

Robert, I raised a glass in your honor.

Then I took a dump in it.

You little shitweasel.

Special present for asslicking Murrow and brainless bitch Donhim:

From the LibbyIndictment:

At all relevant times from January 1, 2002 through July 2003, Valerie Wilson was employed by the CIA, and her employment status was classified.

On or about June 12, 2003, LIBBY was advised by the Vice President of the United States that Wilson's wife worked at the Central Intelligence Agency in the Counterproliferation Division. [Note: Employees of the Counterproliferation Division are “operatives”, not “analysts”.]

From the Press Conference transcript:

FITZGERALD: “Let me say two things. Number one, I am not speaking to whether or not Valerie Wilson was covert. And anything I say is not intended to say anything beyond this: that she was a CIA officer from January 1st, 2002, forward.”

I will confirm that her association with the CIA was classified at that time through July 2003. [emphasis added].

“if national defense information which is involved because her affiliation with the CIA, whether or not she was covert, was classified, if that was intentionally transmitted, that would violate the statute known as Section 793, which is the Espionage Act.”

TIME Magazine. Oct. 31 2005 — - Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper also said today in an interview with "Good Morning America," that the vice president's chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, confirmed to him that Ambassador Joseph Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, was a CIA operative. [that’s “operative”, not analyst, emphasis added]

Washington Post, Thursday, July 21, 2005:

Classified 2003 State Department Memo Gives Clear Indication That Plame Was Covert

A classified State Department memorandum central to a federal leak investigation contains information about CIA officer Valerie Plame in a paragraph marked "(S)" for secret, a clear indication that any Bush administration official who read it should have been aware the information was classified, according to current and former government officials.The Wall Street Journal first reported the three-page memo's existence in its July 19 edition. A story in today's Washington Post provided greater details.

The June 10, 2003 State Department memo refers to Plame by her married name, Valerie Wilson. According to a source who described the memo to the Post, Plame is mentioned in the memo's second paragraph.

The paragraph is clearly marked to show that it contained classified material at the "secret" level, two sources said. The CIA classifies as "secret" the names of officers whose identities are covert, according to former senior agency officials.

And yet, Robert, Fitzgerald not only refused to charge anyone for outting a covert agent, he specifically says he didn't make any judgment as to whether Plame was any such of a thing. Why do you think that is? Personally, I thought that strange, because I was pretty sure her status was what we were asking him to find out in the first place. If her status is provable and outting her is a crime, why did he punt?

Serious question. Or, rather, I'd like to hear why you think that is. I know why I think that is, though I still find his refusal to weigh in unsatisfactory.

From William F. Buckley, who is both a conservative and an ex-intelligence agent:

Valerie Plame Wilson was secretly in the employ of the Central Intelligence Agency, using a cover employer to disguise her affiliation . . . even if she was safe in Washington when the identity of her employer was given out, it does not mean that her outing was without consequence. We do not know what dealings she might have been engaging in which are now interrupted or even made impossible. We do not know whether the countries in which she worked before 1997 could accost her, if she were to visit any of them, confronting her with signed papers that gave untruthful reasons for her previous stay -- that she was there only as tourist, or working for a fictitious U.S. company . . . one loses sight of the real offense, and it becomes almost inapprehensible what it is that Cheney/Libby/Rove got themselves into. But the sacredness of the law against betraying a clandestine soldier of the republic cannot be slighted.

And yet, Robert...?

I am glad that Buckley was able to get to the bottom of everything before Fitzmas was, although they seem to have come to different conclusions.
Any port in a storm, I always say!

just so we can establish some ground rules in the metaverse of the Plamerstacracy:

was Plame an active covert agent when the "outing" took place and, did she get her husband the job to look for nukes in Nigeria?

Why didn't Fitzgerald charge? He specifically referenced the fact that Libby's perjury and obstruction of justice made it impossible AT THIS TIME to tell if the underlying crime (along with the necessary intent, etc) had been committed. Do you not understand that this is not over? It took Fitzgerald 5 years to fully complete some of his previous investigations/prosecutions. You don't think when he calls Fat Asshole Cheney to testify, one of his first questions will be: "Mr. Cheney, Mr. Libby says that you provided him with classified information regarding the employment adn status of Ms. Valerid Plame. Did you? Answer yes or no, Mr. Cheney."

The CIA, and the Department of Justice, confirm that Plame's identity as an "operative" was classified at the time of the outing. Spokespersons for the CIA have repeatedly said that while she suggested her husband because of his expertise in African diplomacy and his knowledge of WMD, she had nothing to do with the decision to ask him to go.

Why didn't Fitzgerald charge? He specifically referenced the fact that Libby's perjury and obstruction of justice made it impossible AT THIS TIME to tell if the underlying crime (along with the necessary intent, etc) had been committed. Do you not understand that this is not over?

No, that doesn't make any sense, Robert. If he's charging Libby with lying, he has to know what the truth is, right? A lie isn't a lie if you don't know (or at least think you know to a provable certainty) where and how far it contradicts the truth.

On the whole, no, I don't understand that this is not over. Fitzgerald is wrapping up his investigation in the next few weeks, he says. I don't see any evidence that Plame's employment status was such an extraordinay state secret that a Vice President would not be allowed to share it with his chief of staff, so I can't see Cheney on the hook no matter what he said.

Pretty sure Fitzmas has come and gone, Robert.

Spokespersons for the CIA have repeatedly said that while she suggested her husband because of his expertise in African diplomacy and his knowledge of WMD, she had nothing to do with the decision to ask him to go.

The CIA's position, while constant, is contradicted by INR and 'other sources' mentioned in the SSCI's report. Not surprising that the CIA claims she wasn't involved in the decision, since this sort of nepotism could lead to an internal investigation at the CIA.

Nice all caps, but it should be "AT THAT TIME," not "AT THIS TIME." It sounds to me that Libby's alleged perjury was not material enough to blind Fitzy to whatever the fuck it was that was going on. Otherwise, without the underlying truth, how can he prove perjury? During Fitz's presser that summarized his monkey circus of a grand jury:

"The indictment alleges that Mr. Libby learned the information about Valerie Wilson at least three times in June of 2003 from government officials.

Let me make clear there was nothing wrong with government officials discussing Valerie Wilson or Mr. Wilson or his wife and imparting the information to Mr. Libby.

But in early June, Mr. Libby learned about Valerie Wilson and the role she was believed to play in having sent Mr. Wilson on a trip overseas from a senior CIA officer on or around June 11th, from an undersecretary of state on or around June 11th, and from the vice president on or about June 12th. "

Maybe Cheney's response will be:

"On page 12 of your indictment, you write: "[Libby] was informed by a senior CIA officer that Wilson's wife was employed by the CIA and that the idea of sending him to Niger originated with her."

Is Cheney a member of the CIA now? How does this all fall into place into your Plame mythology? Even if Libby learned about it from the CIA or Cheney, that converstaion is not wrong. And apparently, Libby's conversations with reporters did not rise to an indictment, so what do you think is gonna happen next?

And by the way, in the ARBCosplay universe, did Plame recommend Joe Wilson for the job?

The paragraph is clearly marked to show that it contained classified material at the "secret" level, two sources said. The CIA classifies as "secret" the names of officers whose identities are covert, according to former senior agency officials.

This is not in itself damning, since if anything else in the paragraph was classified, it would have been marked 'SECRET.' Properly there would have been an additional '(S)' after her name in the paragraph to denote that the name itself was secret. Unless we know the entire contents of the paragraph, this is just evidence that the White House staff knew her name.

So if leaking classified information is such a threat to the Republic, I'm sure robert will be more than happy to see the NYT and WashPo in chains alongside Scooter. And maybe the source of that "leaked" State doc he was referring to also.

Fitzmas may only be just beginning, dear revellers. It took him 4 years and over 60 indictments to get the governor of Illinois. On the first day of Fitzmas my attourney gave to me... one Scooter. I think Rove is toast as well. Unless Fitzgerald can prove conspiricy, it looks like Cheney might be off the hook, but Fitzgerald is good, very good. (fingers crossed)

Why is it that the wingnuts are so hung up on this "who sent Wilson?" stuff? Do you guys really think it makes any difference? Would it justify the outing of a CIA agent to the media if she had indeed sent her husband on fact-finding mission? Here in the reality-based community it has been pretty well established that the CIA asked Wilson to go at the request of a certain Dick Cheney. I think the story goes that the CIA asked Ms. Wilson to ask Mr. Wilson to go find out if the document was a forgery or not. Turns out it was and as usual, the Bush administration could leave no truth-teller unpunished. Simple.

Go Reid. I'm glad the Dems have finally grown some balls.

"I think Rove is toast as well."

Two things wrong with that, O castrato troll.

1) Nobody cares what you think.

2) We've been hearing this for months. Put up or shut up. (Frankly, I'd much prefer the latter.)

I keep asking whether Plame got her hubby sent to Niger to see if we can at least tether the (alternative) reality based community to one common fact with the real world.

Its also important because JW lied about this fact. So, we can start exploring credibility and other features.

You say "Here in the reality-based community it has been pretty well established that the CIA asked Wilson to go at the request of a certain Dick Cheney. I think the story goes that the CIA asked Ms. Wilson to ask Mr. Wilson to go find out if the document was a forgery or not. Turns out it was and as usual, the Bush administration could leave no truth-teller unpunished. Simple."

I guess you actually believe everything you just wrote, I don't know where you get it from, but I guess we can start from part one:

First the story starts off "CIA asked Wilson to go at the request of a certain Dick Cheney" then contradicts itself with "CIA asked Ms. Wilson to ask Mr. Wilson to go find out if the document was a forgery or not." Who knows what all this means, that CIA wanted Wilson to go but was afraid to ask because he is so cute. There is a fatigue point in going back and digging up all the relevant points of the story, though.

Also, so now JW went to Niger to check on whether a document was forged? It turns out it wasn't?

Ok, so how did he present his findings? Orally. He then goes to the NYT's and writes, in essence, the exact opposite of his finding. Where was this guy a truth teller? The Senate found that his oral report actually butressed Adminstration claims. If you want you can wade through the report to get to page 73:http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/13jul20041400/www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/s108-301/sec2.pdf

Finally, you ask "Would it justify the outing of a CIA agent to the media if she had indeed sent her husband on fact-finding mission?" This sort of action on her part sort of indicates that she was more of an administrator at that time and that JW should not have pimped himself out to the NYT's afterwards, if he was so concerned about her security.

Hi Zetetic.



Can you answer my questions? Even if you folks are right, and Ms. Wilsonrecommended Mr. Wilson, why is that a big deal? Just curious. It seems kind of like a big diversion to keep the faithful from asking uncomfortable questions like "What were they thinking when they thought outing a CIA agent would be a good idea?".

Again, just a baseline to get a toe hold of reality. Just a simple step in the right direct.

So, Wilson lied when he said she was not involved.

Wilson then wrote an article for the NYT's saying that people ignored his oral report.

At what point did JW think that writing such an article would be a good idea if his "covert" wife got him the job?

He inserted himself into a policy debate where people would be examining his story. Especially, since he never submitted a written report, people would ask questions as to who the heck this crazy guy is, and why did the CIA let him write an article in the NYTs?

Ok smartypants Joe. Let me clarify. Cheney wanted to know if the document was a forgery. He asked the CIA to look into it. On behalf of the CIA, Plame asked Wilson to go. Wilson went and identified the document as a cheap forgery. Bush went ahead and used this cheap forgery as exhibit A in his case for war, against the advice of the CIA. Whatever Wilson may or may not have told a Senate committee is immaterial to this case, which is about leaking the identity of a NOC. If there is case against Wilson, I'm sure the Republicans in power would have put a prosecutor on the job. All of your theorizing about the Wilsons means diddly.

Even if you folks are right, and Ms. Wilson recommended Mr. Wilson, why is that a big deal?

1) Wilson said in his original NYT op-ed piece that the Vice President's office must have been cognizant of his trip and its conclusions. When asked by reporters if this was true, the VP's office responded (in a composite paraphrased sense): "naw, we didn't know he went, and in fact we heard that it was his wife that got him the gig." The fact that it was a suspect selection process allowed the VP to distance himself from Wilson's statements and underscored the weak nature of Wilson's investigation. A far cry from the vengeance scenario carelessly bandied about by Wilson.

2) Wilson's veracity has been questioned on a number of points. In this case, he claimed that Plame had 'nothing to do' with him being sent. That appears to be untrue.

why did the CIA let him write an article in the NYTs?



Last time I heard, it's still a free country. Mr. Wilson divulged no secrets in his NYT article. There was no mention of his wife. Seems to me that it was Bush's cronies who did all the divulging.

"Wilson went and identified the document as a cheap forgery."
Where in his report does he say that?

In his NYT's essay, he writes:

"While I never saw the report, I was told that it referred to a memorandum of agreement that documented the sale of uranium yellowcake — a form of lightly processed ore — by Niger to Iraq in the late 1990's. The agency officials asked if I would travel to Niger to check out the story so they could provide a response to the vice president's office.

(As for the actual memorandum, I never saw it. But news accounts have pointed out that the documents had glaring errors — they were signed, for example, by officials who were no longer in government — and were probably forged. And then there's the fact that Niger formally denied the charges.) "

So, it seems that his mission was not as a document analyzer, and furthermore that that suspect document was not the basis for W's SotU address.

However, the CIA found that his oral report did not add to the general understanding of the issue, and in fact lent credibility to the claims.

"Bush went ahead and used this cheap forgery as exhibit A in his case for war, against the advice of the CIA"

He said "“The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa .” "

This claim was not based on the forged documents or US sources, but on allied sources who still stand beside the reports. You have the senate report linked to earlier that supports that, as well as the Butler report,

Butler Report: "t is accepted by all parties that Iraqi officials visited Niger in 1999. The British Government had intelligence from several different sources indicating that this visit was for the purpose of acquiring uranium. Since uranium constitutes almost three-quarters of Niger’s exports, the intelligence was credible."

My cheap theorizing about the Wilson is directed toward their credibility and the circumstances of Wilson's trip. Why would he write such an article for the NYT when it was bound to lead to questions.

The next step is to discuss whether Valerie was a NOC. There are those of us who are convinced that she had not had an overseas assignment since 1997, and that the CIA was taking no steps to protect her identity. Thus, when Novak called the CIA to discuss her, the CIA did not ice the story. She may have once been one, but she was now an administrator. And she was getting involved in policy matters.

"naw, we didn't know he went, and in fact we heard that it was his wife that got him the gig."

Should read "naw, we didn't know he went, and in fact we heard that it was his wife, who happens to be a CIA agent in Weapons of Mass Destruction, that got him the gig."

nothing like writing a long ass entry and forgetting your name.

As for this being a free country, the usual CIA process for agents to disclose their missions is to have the thing vetted by the CIA. That did not happen with JW. Hell, he did not even sign a secrecy agreement for his little mission.

And the thing about freedom is that it does not mean that there is an absence of responsibilities for your actions. Of the two wilsons, one of them probably should have figured out a way for JW to say what he wanted to say without it leading to him and his wife.

Finally, I thought the whole reason the NOC plame was outed was because the Bush administration has a habit of punishing truth tellers like Wilson. But he was lying, so the assertion that truth tellers like JW were regularly punished is begging the question because the only evidence of that offered is the very thing you are trying to prove.

final finally, how did that outing go? "Don't believe Wilson, he's got it wrong, plus we heard his wife got him the job." Ouch, poor little puppy sure got punished.

There are those of us who are convinced that she had not had an overseas assignment since 1997, and that the CIA was taking no steps to protect her identity.



Do you have any evidence of this? Why did the CIA put in a crime report to the Justice Department if they weren't protecting her identity?

Why did the CIA put in a crime report to the Justice Department if they weren't protecting her identity?

Why did they give such a lukewarm response to Novak's original inquiry if they were?

I am sure some other person has the best post available for that question, I can point you to this article in the Wash Post written by the nice lady who wrote the law that Rove and co allegedly broke:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A2305-2005Jan11

Since Plame had been living in Washington for some time when the July 2003 column was published, and was working at a desk job in Langley (a no-no for a person with a need for cover), there is a serious legal question as to whether she qualifies as "covert."

and with respect to Novak asking the CIA about plame,

We can look, for example, at how the CIA reacted when Novak informed the press office that he was going to publish her name. Did the general counsel call to threaten prosecution, as we know has been done to other reporters under similar circumstances? No

She also has another column in today's wall street journal.

Geoff, you are answering a question with a question to avoid the original question. The CIA put in a crime report to the Justice Department regarding the leaking of an agent's identity. If they weren't protecting said identity, why bother?


You asked "Why did they give such a lukewarm response to Novak's original inquiry if they were?"


I have no idea what you are referring to here. It's hard to keep up with wingnut non-sequitors these days. Bring me up to speed.

Geoff, you are answering a question with a question to avoid the original question.

Actually I used a question to try to show the absurdity of defining a crime with your original question. Too subtle, I guess.

Here's two speculations: 1) there was a huge outcry in the liberal press over the outing - the CIA had no choice; 2) the rank and file of the CIA hates the Bush administration, and this was a freebie for them.

I have no idea what you are referring to here

I think joeindc44 has it covered in his 3:57 post.

And go lightly on the 'wingnut' comments my friend. You are among the least informed people we have entertained on this site. I've never seen a less accurate recounting of the Plamegate events, and anybody remotely familiar with the case would have understood the Novak reference.

I'm entirely willing to bring you up to speed with no name-calling, even though that will obviously take a considerable effort, since you're asking questions that were covered in agonizing detail in the summer of '04.

Good job, Geoff.

I would also like to mention that there is a reason John Stewart calls his show the Fake News. So, if that is your source of daily vitamin I, you will not be healthy enough to play on big boy courts.

A good try geoff, though I doubt it will go anyware.
Heck if they just read Powerline, they could understand why his wife came up (and how it was the CIA that fell down and compromised Plame, not anyone in the White House)

But asking for reading is probably too much.
Doncha know that BushliedkerrydiedCheneyHaliburtonmarthASTEWARTARGGHS

really, we need a Plame FAQ page somewhere.

I'm glad the CIA leak investigation is finally getting some attention around here.

geoff and joeindc, you're pretty self-congratulatory considering you have just about every fact wrong. I'm not going to go back and figure out who said what, so I'll just make a few general points. The CIA has said that Plame did not send Wilson on the mission. You choose to believe a State Dept. guy who attended a meeting at CIA and said he assumed Plame was responsible. I'm not sure that makes him the most qualified to say what went on in the inner workings of the CIA. It's also very convenient to paint the CIA as a rogue agency out to bring down the Administration, so every time someone cites what the CIA said, you can dismiss them as if it's already been established that what they've said is false. I guess it beats formulating arguments, and gives you more time to congratulate each other .

And as for Novak not being given a firm statement, Novak doesn't have a security clearance. Do you think a reporter can just call the CIA and say "I've heard this person's an agent, what about it?" and the CIA press person will just say "Yeah, but don't tell anyone." They'd be doing what Libby did. Novak has no right to have that information confirmed, so they told him in the strongest terms possible not to disclose the information, without actually confirming anything.

And joeindc, I followed the link you provided to the Senate report. I was wondering why you linked to page 36, when most of the information on Wilson's trip is on pages 46 and 47. I see you linked to a page talking about a CIA report that was issued before Wilson ever went to Africa. How does that contradict his findings?

And if suggesting people link to Powerline for the facts isn't enough, you cite an article by Victoria Toensing, who did help draft the IIPA, but is also a longstanding Republican operative who is extremely partisan. She has no more credibility than Scot McClellan. And since when does a staffer who helped draft a piece of legislation become the expert on who gets indicted? Her speculation on Plame's covert status has nothing to do with writing the law, and evertything to do with pushing administration talking points. The fact that she helped draft the law gives her no special insight into Plame's covert history. And of course, whether Plame was covert or not is completely immaterial. The CIA had her classified as covert. End of story. Libby doesn't get to decide if he's goign to go along with that or not. As soon as someone in the White House learns that a person works for the CIA, the default question should be "Is this a secret?" Saying "Gosh, I just assumed it was alright to leak it to the press" isn't much of a defense. How can you defend someone in such a sensitive job who has such disregard for classified information?

Also, Libby was indicted for lying to the Grand Jury and FBI about conversations he had with reporters. It doesn't matter what the conversations were about. He could have been talking about baseball, but he lied about who he talked to and when, as well as the content of the conversations. The fact that he wasn't indicted for revealing classified information doesn't mean he was found innocent. Fitzgerald made it very clear that the very lies Libby told made it more difficult to investigate the underlying crime, if there was one. That's why he's under indictment.

And finally, the whole idea of Wilson calling attention to his wife with his op-ed is a non-starter. The idea seems to be that people would read his article and say, "Why in the world would a former Ambassador to two African nations who used to be in charge of African policy at the White House be selected tfor a mission to, of all places, Africa? Why, it makes no sense. Hisa wife must be in the CIA." The guy was a fucking Ambassador, for Christ's sake, he wasn't an auto mechanic. Don't you think foreign intelligence has ever checked him out before? Do you really think he got posted to countries and no one ever looked into his background? You people seem to think that all anyone would have to do is become aware of Wilson's existence, and poof! everyone knows his wife's in the CIA. Sorry, but you're pulling that out of your asses.

“The CIA has said that Plame did not send Wilson on the mission. You choose to believe a State Dept. guy who attended a meeting at CIA and said he assumed Plame was responsible. I'm not sure that makes him the most qualified…”

Ok, that thingy I linked to was a Senate report on prewar intelligence. Sorry for that crazy link earlier, here’s an easier one: http://intelligence.senate.gov/iraqreport2.pdf

The Wash Post gives a summary here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39834-2004Jul9.html

The panel found that Wilson's report, rather than debunking intelligence about purported uranium sales to Iraq, as he has said, bolstered the case for most intelligence analysts. And contrary to Wilson's assertions and even the government's previous statements, the CIA did not tell the White House it had qualms about the reliability of the Africa intelligence that made its way into 16 fateful words in President Bush's January 2003 State of the Union address.
Yesterday's report said that whether Iraq sought to buy lightly enriched "yellowcake" uranium from Niger is one of the few bits of prewar intelligence that remains an open question. Much of the rest of the intelligence suggesting a buildup of weapons of mass destruction was unfounded, the report said.
The report turns a harsh spotlight on what Wilson has said about his role in gathering prewar intelligence, most pointedly by asserting that his wife, CIA employee Valerie Plame, recommended him.
Plame's role could be significant in an ongoing investigation into whether a crime was committed when her name and employment were disclosed to reporters last summer.

The report may bolster the rationale that administration officials provided the information not to intentionally expose an undercover CIA employee, but to call into question Wilson's bona fides as an investigator into trafficking of weapons of mass destruction. To charge anyone with a crime, prosecutors need evidence that exposure of a covert officer was intentional.

The report states that a CIA official told the Senate committee that Plame "offered up" Wilson's name for the Niger trip, then on Feb. 12, 2002, sent a memo to a deputy chief in the CIA's Directorate of Operations saying her husband "has good relations with both the PM [prime minister] and the former Minister of Mines (not to mention lots of French contacts), both of whom could possibly shed light on this sort of activity." The next day, the operations official cabled an overseas officer seeking concurrence with the idea of sending Wilson, the report said.
Wilson has asserted that his wife was not involved in the decision to send him to Niger. "

BTW, Geoff, sorry I did not congratulate you enough,man. I love the magic you worked. If you want chip on in, I am gonna get me some fud.

"And as for Novak not being given a firm statement, Novak doesn't have a security clearance. Do you think a reporter can just call the CIA and say "I've heard this person's an agent, what about it?" and the CIA press person will just say "Yeah, but don't tell anyone." They'd be doing what Libby did. Novak has no right to have that information confirmed, so they told him in the strongest terms possible not to disclose the information, without actually confirming anything."

Well, this is nice conjecture. Are you a reporter coverage national security affairs, like Novak?

Here is his column:

At the CIA, the official designated to talk to me denied that Wilson's wife had inspired his selection but said she was delegated to request his help. [hmmm, is this a CIA lie, compare with the senate report] He asked me not to use her name, saying she probably never again will be given a foreign assignment but that exposure of her name might cause "difficulties" if she travels abroad. He never suggested to me that Wilson's wife or anybody else would be endangered. If he had, I would not have used her name. I used it in the sixth paragraph of my column because it looked like the missing explanation of an otherwise incredible choice by the CIA for its mission.
How big a secret was it? It was well known around Washington that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA. Republican activist Clifford May wrote Monday, in National Review Online, that he had been told of her identity by a non-government source before my column appeared and that it was common knowledge. Her name, Valerie Plame, was no secret either, appearing in Wilson's "Who's Who in America" entry.

http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/robertnovak/2003/10/01/168398.html

So, it looks like the CIA has people who are designated to deal with reporters who have these sorts of questions. Even though they ostensibly don’t have clearances. Sort of not like those who cover the CIA’s real covert activities like transporting and jailing terrorists.

Anyone else out there, I am not giving props too?

BTW, Roberts finishes his column with this:

"A big question is her duties at Langley. I regret that I referred to her in my column as an "operative," a word I have lavished on hack politicians for more than 40 years. While the CIA refuses to publicly define her status, the official contact says she is "covered" -- working under the guise of another agency. However, an unofficial source at the Agency says she has been an analyst, not in covert operations.
The Justice Department investigation was not requested by CIA Director George Tenet. Any leak of classified information is routinely passed by the Agency to Justice, averaging one a week. This investigative request was made in July shortly after the column was published. Reported only last weekend, the request ignited anti-Bush furor."

I also reask my earlier question, couldn't the president release whatever classified information he wanted to in order to forward his foreign policy goals?

So, like, I dunno, when JFK broadcast classified photos of Cuba with missiles, was he breaking the law?

Where are all the law professors on this?

This goes to the "Her speculation on Plame's covert status has nothing to do with writing the law, and evertything to do with pushing administration talking points. The fact that she helped draft the law gives her no special insight into Plame's covert history."

This is a nice way to dodge the point that the law in question has legal standards to it. Her column is, in the end, just as persuasive to the state of the leak when Fitzmas could only come up with a few perjury indictments. He probably also read the law and whatever annotations it has and came to the same conclusions that most people conversant with the fact have already come to. When I discuss statutory history, usually it does not matter what people who wrote the laws thought, or even what the people who voted on it thought, for various complicated reasons, but most people will listen to it as persuasive.

As for powerline, they were good enough (congrats, guys) to point out JW's book states:

"In The Politics of Truth, former ambassador Joseph Wilson writes that he and his future wife both returned from overseas assignments in June 1997. Neither spouse, a reading of the book indicates, was again stationed overseas. They appear to have remained in Washington, D.C., where they married and became parents of twins."

This has usually been the point in the witchhunt where lefies switch over to that WWI ship movements law. That also has its own requirements, not the least of which is the interpretation of criminal statutes is stricter than the reading of ameliorative laws. So, with a statute that lists point by point the things that are wrongful acts, there is not wiggle room to add things to it.

BTW, did Ambassador JW has WMD experience to qualify him for that trip?