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September 10, 2005
Show The Bodies?And then, of course, there was CNN's famously self-interested decision to avoid showing Saddam's dead. I think some of Katrina's dead should be photographed and shown to the public. As they say, one picture is worth a thousand words. So: Yes, I disagree with the military's/civilian authorities' position on this. No special efforts should be taken to keep the press out, other than, for example, safety concerns. But that still leaves the press in the curious position of being very interested in showing some dead bodies but not others. Tomorrow is the 9/11 anniversary. How many falling bodies will we see? How many charred corpses being pulled from the rubble? Zero. Over at Hit & Run, Julian Sanchez says that this is justifiable, as we wouldn't want to "inflame" the public and send them out beating up or killing Arabs. I suppose there's little concern about an inflamed mob lynching the first hurricane it comes across. I don't know. So the press serves as our censor, determining which images we're capable of handling? Which are too dangerous to air? If I'm going to have a censor at all, fuck, I think I trust the military more. I'd prefer if neither were trying to protect me from dangerous images, but I'm afraid I don't buy the press' claim that they, and they alone, have the wisdom to censor judiciously. Once you've conceded the need for censorship, it's just a question of who gets to have the fun. Pardon me if I'm not part of the bandwagon to cede even further control of information to our fair-and-balanced, neutral-and-objective, painstakingly fact-checked press. Are Some Conservatives Being Inconsistent, Too? I think they are. I don't think you can say "We should have shown more footage of the dead of 9/11" and then cite the need to protect the families of Katrina's victims from seeing their loved ones in the media. Either you protect all families from such distress or none of them. I wouldn't want to cause a grieving family any more stress, but quite frankly, if you've lost a loved one, I'd say that's your biggest concern right there, and viewing a photograph of the dead would cause only a trivially-incremental amount of additional grief. Further-- some tragedies are just to big to protect people in this fashion. 9/11, and Katrina, are national tragedies, and the public interest in either is both great and justifiable. Look, we show the pictures of people killed in murders and car accidents all the time. Few seem concerned that those victims have families as well. Now we're going to say that the families killed in an epic national disaster should not be exposed to further hurt? So let the press in. Show the bodies of those killed in Katrina. It is important to witness the full horror of the disaster. And then let's talk about the press' permanent embargo on showing the bodies of the victims of Islamofascist terrorism. CNN brought the suit against FEMA. FEMA gave up, prudently. I don't suppose there's any way to bring suit against CNN to force it to report on all of Saddam's killings in the years it avoided doing so to keep its precious Baghdad bureau open, huh? posted by Ace at 07:04 PM
CommentsI'm down for all or none. 9-11 jumpers lying broken on the concrete, bloated floating corpses from Katrina, and a full crotch shot of a 15 yr old girl's baby being taken out of her womb in pieces. All or nothing. Posted by: The Warden on September 10, 2005 07:18 PM
Didn't really want to see the 9/11 bodies - but the impact of the planes, the collapse of the towers, and the people who jumped (from a suitably tasteful distance) were all things the MSM stopped showing as well. Posted by: geoff on September 10, 2005 07:46 PM
The thing I find strange about this controversy is that the LA Times and cable news channels have already shown me plenty of corpses in New Orleans. They've exercised discretion in not showing any faces but other than that there has already been enough gruesomeness to convince anyone that bad things have happened there. Is this controversy after the fact a result of MSM disappointment in the substantially lower body count compared to the 10K+ predictions? Posted by: epobirs on September 10, 2005 07:50 PM
I suppose there's little concern about an inflamed mob lynching the first hurricane it comes across. Or the first Chimperor McBushitler it comes across. Posted by: guinsPen on September 10, 2005 07:51 PM
Ace, this is where fair-mindedness is retarded. Chance of getting real 9/11 footage from the MSM: zero. So yes, I think they should generally show this stuff, but still! -- not after that precedent. Posted by: someone on September 10, 2005 08:14 PM
Waterlogged dead bodies all pretty much look the same. If they've been in the water for a week or so, there isn't going to be much recognizable. Its obvious to me they only want to do this so they can make the swollen corpse/Bush nexus. Posted by: Tony on September 10, 2005 08:25 PM
I think the point is that peopel who are missing loved ones may discover, via the wonder of television, that those loved ones are now dead. That seems like a pretty rough way to find out your husband/wife/mother/son has died. Posted by: randomscrub on September 10, 2005 08:39 PM
Ace -- why is it "important to witness the full horror of the disaster."? Posted by: quiggs on September 10, 2005 08:53 PM
I didn't think I was out of the loop. My understanding was that FEMA requested that they not take pictures of authorities recovering bodies and that FEMA refused to transport journalists and photogs in FEMA boats. What was the suit about? Surely they didn't sue for the right to ride in FEMA crafts. Christ, I must now be clueless. Posted by: rls on September 10, 2005 09:22 PM
why is it "important to witness the full horror of the disaster."? So pictures of rotting corpses can be shown on the same page as Bush - above the fold of course. Posted by: Tony on September 10, 2005 09:23 PM
Doh! I got it now. It was a preemptive suit. I guess that's why Ace put's those links up there, eh? Posted by: rls on September 10, 2005 09:25 PM
Oddly enough, HBO just repeated their excellent NYC 9/11 documentary yesterday - and it really brings it all back, what with multiple angles of the planes hitting both towers, the collapses, the screaming, the falling bodies, and the mutiple funeral aftermath. I'm pissed. That's why we need to be reminded what happened, and how it happened. If we aren't, we'll forget, and forget to take action. Posted by: Harry Callahan on September 10, 2005 11:22 PM
Yeah, I'm really convinced the major incentive in showing bodies of Katrina in the media is to use them like a bloated, stinking club against Bush. When pictures of that sort start to show up, don't expect it to be tasteful. Posted by: Hal on September 10, 2005 11:28 PM
Seeing a dead body resulting from a Hurricane is different than seeing a dead body that was murdered by terrorits. Show the dead bodies from 9-11 to remind the world why we're fighting in the Mid-East, but spare the victims of Katrina the horror of seeing their dead friend/relative just to show the world how bad the hurricane was- we already know it was bad. Posted by: Stafford on September 11, 2005 12:06 AM
I've seen enough burned/mutilated/shot and stabbed dead bodies in my time as a firefighter/EMT and if the idiots insist on showing them while a child is present they should all be dragged out and shot. Let the children watch that also. CNN has went over the edge with this. Anyone that watches that pitiful excuse of a network is as bad as they are. Posted by: scrapiron on September 11, 2005 12:42 AM
The MSM and the bush haters are going to be sorely disappointed. The number of corpses has been severly overestimated Posted by: on September 11, 2005 10:02 AM
Let's see: the media wants pictures of caskets of dead soldiers; Posted by: Kate on September 11, 2005 10:47 AM
When word spread that alligators were munching down on dead corpses, I thought to myself "Cool. I wanna see that! On video, please!." Then I thought better of it and became ashamed of myself. That corpse was once a human, someone's mother, father, child, now an animalistic tidbit. Then the MSM insists on showing this to me. Why? What does it add to the civilized debate or public understanding? What they're trying to sell, I ain't buying. They've become electronic crack pushers. The difference between hurricanes and 9/11 is human agency. Osama's attacks were moral decisions. Hurricanes are not. Posted by: Whitehall on September 11, 2005 01:15 PM
Show the pictures. If you don't want to watch, hit off, or tune to another channel. Blame Bush or don't. It doesn't matter. I don't think he's running again. As for showing Saddam's dead - great idea. I'd love to see a timeline of deaths as good as we can get showing the number he slaughtered when he was slaughtering FOR us and we paid him well (don't forget Big George kissed Saddam's ring and praised him AFTER he gassed the Kurds) compared to the number after we stopped our Love Saddam Fest. 'For a feather in your cyberspace cap, who can tell me the three top Republicans in Big George's envoy who went to Baghdad to tell Saddam how great he was how much Big George loved him ? Posted by: Warren Hudson on September 11, 2005 05:43 PM
Sure you can sue CNN. Buy some stock. The CNN policy manuals/constating documents/general BS propaganda are bound to say something about 'fair and balanced', 'even handed', blah, blah, blah. Sue the bastards for endless egregious breaches of their own guidelines. Posted by: Fred Z on September 12, 2005 12:02 AM
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