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September 01, 2005

Light Blogging Advisory/Open Thread

Just letting you know I'm a little tired, a little spent of things to say about Katrina (it's hard to be funny with this going on), and a little behind of things I have to do apart from blogging.

Not a no-blogging advisory, but just thought I'd let you know I'll be posting sporadically today.

Might as well make this an open thread in case anyone wants to post about goings-on in the world.


posted by Ace at 02:39 PM
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Posted by: Sharp as a Marble on September 1, 2005 02:40 PM

(sorry about that - Keyboard failure!)

Posted by: Sharp as a Marble on September 1, 2005 02:40 PM

Don't miss steynonline today.

Posted by: on September 1, 2005 02:54 PM

You've got to be kidding me. I just got a breaking news update from CNN saying that doctors are reporting that they've stopped hospital evacuations because of SNIPER FIRE.

I half expect to turn on the news and see that New Orleans residents are dressed in all leather clothes and speaking in Aussie accents about who runs Bartertown. Or maybe catch a glimpse of Snake Plissken gunning down mobs of people trying to grab his loot.

Posted by: The Comish (sic) on September 1, 2005 03:17 PM

I can't tell you how many movies I've seen about some sort of disease outbreak/alien landing where you see a long convoy of army trucks rolling into town full of armed men who jump out and start setting up security perimeters with razor wire and generators and big lights and command centers. Swarms of helicopters buzz overhead and the whole thing is commanded by some General that is not afraid to use force to maintain order.

So where the hell are they? Why can't this happen three days ago?

'sigh'. I guess what I'm asking is, where is Powers Booth? His nation needs him.

Posted by: DB on September 1, 2005 03:22 PM

Ace, you've got a real heart, man. Thanks for giving my home place so much coverage. New Orleans is more than a place, it's a whole way of being. You could be from there, f'sure.

Posted by: Politickal Animal on September 1, 2005 03:22 PM

"Just saw the Gov. claim, on live TV, that the people there are being fed and cared for. She is done for."

Posted by: lauraw on September 1, 2005 03:31 PM

I'm not sure it's possible to be O/T when there is no T, but here's a nice link to a Cindy Sheehan blog. Apparently the Peace Mother has become such a megastar that she's had to hire harajuku security guards...

Posted by: utron on September 1, 2005 03:36 PM

There ain't no sushi in Crawford Texas.

But there is some in Belton. It's not bad.

Posted by: Dave in Texas on September 1, 2005 04:03 PM

I'd bet my house that most of the violence in N.O. is gangbangers taking advantage of the situation. I was there about eight years back, and the crime problem there was just out of control. Plus that city has got the most corrupt governance I've ever heard tell of: not just the legendarily-bent cops, either, but the local pols all the way up to the Governor's office.

But to blame the chaos on a lack of immediate response is to completely misunderstand how severe and thoroughgoing the damage really is. There is exactly one passable highway into N.O. right now, and only helicopters can get in and out. National Guard troops are arriving in force, but they are hampered by the same natural barriers as everyone else: twenty feet of filthy water and sludge stretching for miles across what used to be a major metropolitan city.

The next 24 to 48 hours should see a dramatic fall-off in the violence as the troops fan out and the thugs are weeded out or go underground. But the human toll will continue for many weeks yet.

Posted by: Monty on September 1, 2005 04:04 PM

How can a 20 year old survive a hurricane, flooded neighborhoods, downed bridges and highways, and after three days still have the wherewithall to rob a school bus, load it with mothers and children, and drive it six hours to Houston...

And the Bush Administration can't get in? But a twenty year old hurricane survivor can get out?

He's a goddamned hero; put him in charge.

Posted by: on September 1, 2005 04:09 PM

In other news of the world, the raw-chef flasher suspect turned himself in.

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/342442p-292359c.html

Money quote from the article: "At Quintessence on E. 10th St., which serves healthy fare like hemp seed burgers and nut milk, workers were mum about the boss's alleged peccadilloes."

Posted by: Alex on September 1, 2005 04:13 PM

Presumably they've seen his peccadilloes and weren't impressed.

Posted by: lauraw on September 1, 2005 04:19 PM

I would like to know where the local government leadership is in New Orleans? The governor seems completely unhinged, and where is the Mayor? Everyone is so quick to blame the Bush admin. But it appears that the Local Government has lost complete control of New Orleans.

Posted by: Michelle on September 1, 2005 04:22 PM

From what I've seen the mayor and gov are both completely inept and just flailing.

They were probably the perfect aparatchiks for ordinary "peace time" corrupt government, but these are not ordinary times and they're obviously not "in command".

Posted by: Tony on September 1, 2005 04:54 PM

The Mayor fled to Baton Rouge couple days ago.

Posted by: bitterman on September 1, 2005 04:56 PM

"They're not looters! They're undocumented shoppers!"

Posted by: on September 1, 2005 05:19 PM

Watching the news now. The mayor seems gone. I think this crisis has done him in. All the local officials seem capable of is blaming the federal government for their woes.

Posted by: Slublog on September 1, 2005 05:21 PM

I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one depressed about all this. I can't decide which is depressing me more - the fact that the people who made NO a dangerous place before are shooting at rescue helicopters now, or the fact that virtually all the MSM talk-show coverage is focusing on, "How much of this is Bush's fault?"

It's apparent now that the local government has lost control, but anyone looking at NO's poverty and murder rates BEFORE Katrina realizes they weren't even doing a good job then. But do you hear MSM blame for that? Nooo....

I'm whining too much. I'm going to go drink some wine and go see "March of the Penguins". Oh, and if you want to buy some Avon and help the refugees at the same time, feel free to visit a post of mine here. Thanks.

Posted by: Kimberly on September 1, 2005 05:31 PM

Enjoy "March of the Penguins." It's a great movie.

Posted by: Slublog on September 1, 2005 05:34 PM

In my opinion the mayor is completely at fault. How can he order evacuation without sending a bus out to help any old or sick or otherwise helpless people any assistance? He apparently felt that offering the Superdome but no way to get there was enough. That is shameless. The Govenor was also asleep at the switch. It is understandable that the people feel deserted. They were. I have never been to NO, but it looks like that was quite a walk under the best of conditions.

Posted by: j. on September 1, 2005 05:41 PM

I think everybody should do something lighthearted or rather uplifting some time this weekend. BTW, many people are acting proactively on behalf of those affected: On Craigslist and elsewhere homes, apts and spare bedrooms are being offered up rent free to displaced people. Kinda brings a tear to the eye. Check it out by clicking on New Orleans. I think it's Craigslist.com

Posted by: ChrisG on September 1, 2005 05:42 PM

From what I saw of New Orleans 10 years ago, it was two cities; charming, laid-back party town and apocalypse on the Mississippi. Mere blocks from the French Quarter were neighborhoods the cops wouldn't go near. The NOPD was undermanned and riddled with corruption, and the city's government didn't much give a damn if the lower class neighborhoods tore themselves to pieces, providing it didn't hurt tourism. It doesn't surprise me at all that the mayor has shown all the leadership of a gerbil; none of them ever been much there. As for the media, they would blame Bush for Pompeii if they could.

Posted by: UGAdawg on September 1, 2005 05:44 PM

What's sad is that this will be typical of most big cities when 'it' hits the fan.
As Tony mentioned above, the aparatchiks, given gubmint jobs because of race/gender/sexual preference/nepotism will fail, as the same policies that got these incompetents their jobs will be applied to those under them.
House of cards.
Sorry to say it, but this is just a picture you should get used to.
Next big earthquake that hits SF Bay Area, Seattle, or LA will get you the same results. I'm not talking about the little ones that have hit those areas in the last 20 years, I'm talking about the real deal.
You'll see something similar in terms of looting/mayhem, and lousy preparation/reaction time.

Posted by: Uncle Jefe on September 1, 2005 05:47 PM

Here are the crime statistics for 2003. It didn't seem like a great city to live in before this. It would be unbearable now.

The media, by the way, isn't helping. Their coverage is atrocious.

Posted by: Slublog on September 1, 2005 05:49 PM

"They're not looters! They're undocumented shoppers!"

Ha!

Too bad you didn't post your name to take credit for that line, because I'm going to steal it now.

Posted by: Alex on September 1, 2005 05:50 PM

[Waits for Dave Frey to come in and rip into The Comish (sic)]

Posted by: John from WuzzaDem on September 1, 2005 05:53 PM

... virtually all the MSM talk-show coverage is focusing on, "How much of this is Bush's fault?"

Not only that, but the angle many of the MSM are seizing on is how this disaster is an opportunity for Bush to prop up his "sagging approval ratings" if he handles it right. As if that's the main thing the administration is thinking about.

What petty, small-minded little cocksuckers. The MSM, that is.

Posted by: Alex on September 1, 2005 05:54 PM

What petty, small-minded little cocksuckers. The MSM, that is.

I'm watching Wolf Blitzer right now. I nominate him as worst of the bunch. He's interviewing some moron who says we shouldn't send the National Guard in to return order. Instead, this guy says, we should send someone out with a bullhorn to talk to the looters.

And as the National Guard returns order to the city, the Mayor is still complaining.

Posted by: Slublog on September 1, 2005 06:01 PM

Money quote from the article: "At Quintessence on E. 10th St., which serves healthy fare like hemp seed burgers and nut milk, workers were mum about the boss's alleged peccadilloes."

Alex,

They did NOT say that the restaurant owned by a man accused of public masterbation serves "nut milk".

Posted by: Ayes of Death David on September 1, 2005 06:01 PM

They did NOT say that the restaurant owned by a man accused of public masterbation serves "nut milk".

"Oh no they di'nt! Oh no they di'nt!"

Oh yes. They did. Check the URL.

Gotta love the NY Daily News.

At least it wasn't "nut sauce."

Speaking of NY tabloid papers, does anyone have an online subscription to the NY Post? I saw an article in today's Page Six that a suicide bombing survivor got in Bianca Jagger's face and yelled at her after a recent appearance she made at which she made the usual dumb lefty blatherings. I didn't want to deal with filling out the online registration form.

Don't post the text here (I think it would be noncommercial fair use for purposes of public discussion and comment, but I know Ace is cautious about that stuff just the same); just summarize, if you wouldn't mind. Pretty please.

Posted by: Alex on September 1, 2005 06:22 PM

Wait, the Mayor of NO fled? Damn!
If the local government in NO/La were Republicans you can rest assured the MSM would not let us forget it.

Posted by: Iblis on September 1, 2005 06:24 PM

Best part:

Baxter continued: "Then [Jagger and pals] start talking about Abu Ghraib and how American soldiers are raping and killing women and children around the globe and that's when I said, '[Bleep] you. Cindy, let's get out of here.' We were just about to leave when I went back to the table and said, 'Bianca, you know what? You're talking this anti-American horse[bleep] here while we got guys dying in Iraq — [Bleep] you! [Bleep] all of you!' Then I did leave.

"I used to be a part-time bouncer at Studio 54 and I remember her from those days. This chick used to flash anyone who cared to look and now she's trying to pass herself off as some kind of pseudo-activist? C'mon!"

Posted by: Slublog on September 1, 2005 06:26 PM

Sorry, the above was from the page six article.

Posted by: Slublog on September 1, 2005 06:27 PM

I can not believe the columns posted on Huffpo. Gutfeld calling their writing shit was an understatement.

Posted by: on September 1, 2005 07:14 PM

Sullivan's taking his shots, too. Fucking jerk-off.

Posted by: UGAdawg on September 1, 2005 07:16 PM
Posted by: on September 1, 2005 07:29 PM

Alex, I hate those online registration things too, no matter if they're free or not.

Try going to www.bugmenot.com to get help. I love it.

Posted by: Sue Dohnim on September 1, 2005 07:41 PM

The "mayor" needs to lead from the front. Georgie Patton understood this - mayor moonbat apparently doesn't.

HE should have been the (shotgun toting) point man for that group of 80 cops that failed to retake the convention center.

HE should have been the first one to start firing.

If he were leading from the front, those 80 cops WOULD have retaken the convention center and restored order very quickly.

Posted by: Tony on September 1, 2005 07:46 PM

Hi Ace and Ace-fans.

Last weekend's hardware maintenance didn't go as planned (the replacement disk drive turned out not to work), so we're having another go this weekend.

Same time, 5AM CST, but it shouldn't take very long this time.

Really.

Posted by: Pixy Misa on September 1, 2005 07:55 PM

Well, here we are in the just about the worst natural disaster in our nation's history and the msm and the liberals couldn't wait 2 days to blame it on Bush.

I have been batting away moonbats on my blog for two days and they have ROYALLY TICKED ME OFF!!!! I got so mad I am determined not to go back and argue with them anymore this weekend.

I HAVE HAD IT with these snobby self righteous smug drooling IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ARRRGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle on September 1, 2005 08:11 PM

RWS, that's the angriest I've ever seen you, I think.

Impressive.

Posted by: Slublog on September 1, 2005 08:13 PM

RWS is having a "Hulk Smash!!" moment. I've had many myself. It just goes to prove that disasters like this bring out both the best and the worst in people; we have to focus on what Lincoln called "the better angels of our nature".

But man, it's hard sometimes.

Posted by: Monty on September 1, 2005 08:15 PM

Oh heck, even our calm, soothing, lovely Laura was blowing her top today. The lefties are just getting totally out of hand, and they don't seem to know when to stop.

Posted by: Megan on September 1, 2005 08:18 PM

Yeah, I had one of those moments in another thread. Lost my temper a bit. Cussed even.

Hard to keep sane when the opposition is driving you nuts.

Posted by: Slublog on September 1, 2005 08:19 PM

I came this close to granting some jerk's teeth a Reno-style divorce from his head today. He was bloviating about how this was all Bush's fault -- global warming, Kyoto protocol, blah blah blah. Then he snarked something about how Louisiana was a Red State full of crackers anyway, and I just about popped the fucker one right then and there.

And I had to tell myself to just cool it and donate some money to the relief effort, to do something positive.

Posted by: Monty on September 1, 2005 08:23 PM

Oh, man. You ought to hear the coverage coming out of the UK. This is the true face of America: the rich white people in their gas-guzzling SUV's escape in good time, while the old, the crippled, the sick, the poor and the black are heartlessly left to a red, ruthless Darwinian purging.

I'm going to pop somebody one. I know it.

Posted by: S. Weasel on September 1, 2005 08:32 PM

I'm going to pop somebody one. I know it.

"Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth."

Posted by: Michael on September 1, 2005 09:17 PM

RWS, that's the angriest I've ever seen you, I think

The sultry one, with the fire in her eyes! Yes, her.

Posted by: Dave in Texas on September 1, 2005 09:31 PM

He was bloviating about how this was all Bush's fault -- global warming, Kyoto protocol, blah blah blah.

Oh Monty, Monty. Goddamn, dear friggin Monty.
You would not believe the DAY I HAD.

Retail. In a blue state. And most of my customers love me and hold me in the same regard as a bartender who listens.

I had to find out who they REALLY were today.
I'm fine with it, because I love my fellow Americans.

But I'm afraid that not all of them are fine with ME.

Posted by: lauraw on September 1, 2005 09:34 PM

Helping out: The Keeper of the Exchequer (aka my wife) is writing a check to Catholic Charities, to help out. It's a drop in bucket; but as the Russians say, "It's not a million rubles without my kopek."

Doing something pleasant this weekend: The ill wind that hit New Orleans has blown us in the Midwest some truly gorgeous weather - bright, cool, breezy. I'll be taking the kids out this weekend to enjoy water sports - canoeing on the river, and swimming in Lake Michigan. And on Labor Day, we'll grill something meaty and delicious, and wash it down with a delicious Australian shiraz.

As for the leftoids, on Wednesday I saw my oldest son off to his second tour in Iraq. In the face of that reality, the leftoids' sophomoric, smirking remarks gall me. I will not let them go unanswered.

It's going to a fun autumn!

Posted by: Brown Line on September 1, 2005 09:36 PM

But it appears that the Local Government has lost complete control of New Orleans.


Hello.

Louisiana needs to take a *SERIOUS* look at their Hurricane evacuation plan.

Having grown up in North Carolina...I can tell you that they've gotten it down to a science. *EVERYONE* is evacuated...most especially those who don't have the means such as the poor and elderly.

Anyone who insists on "riding it out" is asked to give info on their next of kin and made clear to understand that emergency personnel will not be called out to rescue them.

Looting is virtually unheard of...probably because of the fact that most citizens are heavily armed.

Posted by: The Ugly American on September 1, 2005 09:39 PM

Laura, I feel your pain.

I work with liberal co-workers in a blue state and criminy...some were talking about how Bush is going to take a political hit and it's all Bush's fault and can you believe what's going on and how Bush isn't doing anything about it?

Basically, I locked myself in my office today, kept my head down and got my work done in relative privacy. Otherwise I would have blown my top.

Posted by: Slublog on September 1, 2005 09:44 PM

Hey, all the lefties are gone. Anyone notice that?

I guess they don't have internet connectivity at home like they do in whatever high school they attend.

Posted by: Slublog on September 1, 2005 09:47 PM

Brownline, I wish your family and your son well. My 19-yr old Marine brother went to Iraq recently as well.

And Slublog, that is what galled my FIRST customer of the day...that I had family over there and I didn't blame Bush for the state of the world.
The best quotes:

Me: "I'm on the other side of you on this."

He: "I- I... don't know how you could be!"

To my best recollection.

This man is a Vietnam Vet, and whatever diety you believe in should bless his heart, he is a very good man. We just disagree on what causes hurricanes.

I tell you, its a wonder.

Posted by: lauraw on September 1, 2005 09:56 PM

It really shouldn't surprise anyone that the state government of Louisiana and the city government of New Orleans have failed in their duties. Both governments have always been corrupt. I would not be surprised if some city officials received some booty from the looting. The corruption of one party Democrat states never gets covered by the MSM. Do you think that the MSM are stupid or maybe they think that's the way government ought to be? There is not one part of the MSM that covers the corruption angle where Democrats are concerned. Why doesn't the city government or State government share any of the responsibility for the looting?---because they are liberals and liberals are never the root cause of any problem. Katrina caused the flooding and wind damage, but the looting, murder and mayhem is the result of Liberals being unwilling to use the police power to declare martial law and protect all the citizens, using deadly force. You know the the state government has the power to deputize anyone to be part of a state malitia/police force. It is just amazing to watch the "cop out" of the Governor and the MSM. Has there ever been a less effective Governor in an emergancy situation?

Posted by: john on September 1, 2005 09:57 PM

For those of you who have become depressed over the images of despair and lawlessness, I'd like to impart this personal observation from a previous disaster.

Within minutes after the 1989 Loma Prieta (San Francisco) earthquake struck...hundreds of West Oakland residents from some of the poorest and most depressed neighborhoods in the city converged on the Cypress Freeway to assist Fire and Police in their rescue efforts.

I saw many a black man literally risking their lives by climbing under that pancaked freeway to pull survivors from their cars. Heavy smoke continually poured out of burning cars…aftershocks constantly rattling what remained of the freeway…yet still they continued searching.

As much as I now criticize my former home...I will never *EVER* forget the extreme heroism and calm resolute demonstrated by the black residents of Oakland on that day. It literally restored not only my faith in humanity but America.

And while police and fire were busy with rescues...not one business nor home (that I’m aware of) was looted. No widespread rioting…no rampant lawlessness.

Similarly, I don't recall any major problems after the Northridge earthquake either...nor last years hurricanes in Florida.

Just trying to help keep things in perspective here.

Posted by: The Ugly American on September 1, 2005 09:57 PM

Holy. Crap.

Thank you, Mr. Clinton.

Seriously.

Posted by: Slublog on September 1, 2005 09:59 PM

Bush causes hurricanes.

I heard that today.

who knew?

Posted by: Dave in Texas on September 1, 2005 10:01 PM

John: I just hope the citizens will remember all this come next election by voting these ineffective city & state officials out of office.

If Governor Schwarzenegger pulled a stunt like that, it's for damn sure he wouldn't get my vote again.

As for our Los Angeles Mayor Villamecha...I already know not to count on him during an emergency. I'll be grabbing my survival kit and heading out to the desert.

Posted by: The Ugly American on September 1, 2005 10:09 PM

Holy. Crap.

Thank you, Mr. Clinton.


Wow...the man actually has a conscious.

Kudos Mr. President.

Though I still say the sight of him and GHWB working together is creepy ; )

Posted by: The Ugly American on September 1, 2005 10:20 PM

At its best, at its zenith, New Orleans was, as P.J. O'Rourke once observed, "a high-crime drainage ditch." Now it's a toxic swamp. If it's to be re-built (it will not), it should be re-built elsewhere. When Galvaston was destroyed by hurricane at the turn of the century, it was re-built at a new location. New Orleans would best be re-built in Haiti, which it naturally resembles.

And looters? Looting isn't "caused" by the hurricane. That's like saying rioting in Chicago was "caused" by the Bulls winning the NBA Finals. Looting is a crime of opportunity. Had "martial law" meant "martial law" and not "don't make me stop this car and come back there, you kids" many more deserving people could be helped by personnel who can't reach them for fear of being killed by Humungous (the lord Humungous, Ruler of The Wastelanand; the Ayotollah...of Rock and Rollah !) and other gangsters.

Should have starting shooting looters right off the bat.

Wonder why Houston is ready to help a Louisiana that can't help itself?

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=4784

God be with all in Louisiana, MS, and Alabama.

Posted by: Shawn on September 1, 2005 10:26 PM

At its best, at its zenith, New Orleans was, as P.J. O'Rourke once observed, "a high-crime drainage ditch."


*snicker*

Posted by: The Ugly American on September 1, 2005 10:34 PM

"4. Conspiracy assholes will put up sites explaining that Katrina was caused by aliens or terrorists or George Bush or whatever. The George Bush accusations have already started. Remember how everyone blamed Clinton for Andrew? No? That's because it didn't HAPPEN. Republicans just aren't as crazy and dishonest as Democrats. Period."

From Steve at Hog on Ice.

People. I love you so.

The thought that people are in America cradling dying babies right now, is killing me.

All day, all I've wanted to do is kill violent beasts and save babies. And here I am. Doing neither.

Losing my goddamned mind.

Posted by: lauraw on September 1, 2005 10:46 PM

"New Orleans would best be re-built in Haiti, which it naturally resembles."

Shawn? Up your nose with a rubber hose.

Posted by: Andrea Harris on September 1, 2005 10:47 PM

"Wonder why Houston is ready to help a Louisiana that can't help itself?"

Because the people who can't or won't help themselves are the ones that need it the most? Are we supposed to stand by and watch people die by the tens of thousands? We're not the UN.

$5 makes a huge difference:
www.houstonfoodbank.org

Posted by: bitterman on September 1, 2005 10:51 PM

Holy. Crap. Part II.

I never, ever thought I'd say this, but MoveOn.org is doing some outstanding work.

Man, do I need a drink after that. :-)

Posted by: Slublog on September 1, 2005 11:14 PM

The thought that people are in America cradling dying babies right now, is killing me.

yeah.

They're cradling saved babies too. In high school gyms and auditoriums and civic centers up to 300 miles west and north of me.

Posted by: Dave in Texas on September 1, 2005 11:14 PM
Posted by: Lance Redstate on September 1, 2005 11:19 PM

Holy. Crap. Part II.

I never, ever thought I'd say this, but MoveOn.org is doing some outstanding work.

Man, do I need a drink after that. :-)

I'll go out on a limb and say they'll be asking for political background before they actually help somebody.

I'd like to hear how much Soros is giving.

Posted by: digitalbrtownshirt on September 1, 2005 11:19 PM

ANDREA: Shawn? Up your nose with a rubber hose


What the heck? You can do better than that. Where's the venom? As one of your loyal fans I'm shocked I tell you shocked. Lady if you keep this up, some of the unfeeling guys here will call you dickless.Worse yet after another post this weak and you'll be re-dickless. Fair warning!!!!! I'm expecting an apology for that weak put down and a posting of a real kneecapping, eye gouging, titty twisting put down that only you know how to do. Your fan, JOHN.

Posted by: john on September 1, 2005 11:54 PM

"Man, do I need a drink after that"

I've needed one all f'n day, but then that's nothing remarkable.

Posted by: Megan on September 1, 2005 11:57 PM

Think Kos is bad?

Check out this asshole.

In case you miss it:

So why was I thinking of starting a movement against giving aid to the stricken areas?

Because these are red states. They voted for Bush. These ninnies obviously wanted these policies, and they deserve to live with the consequences of their votes.

A large part of me still believes that many of these W-worshipping numbskulls deserve to suffer and to die. They brought it on themselves. Let them look to Jayzuss for aid: It's time they stopped leeching off the more productive blue staters.

Un. Fucking. Believable.

Posted by: John from WuzzaDem on September 2, 2005 12:06 AM

...

How do you respond to something like that?

Oh, I know.

What a jackass.

Posted by: Slublog on September 2, 2005 12:09 AM

Rob: seriously, after this, FEMA needs to go away, and have it's powers taken by a new acronym
Rob: "The Government Disaster Management Agency" or something
Cancer Marney: ...
Cancer Marney: Government Disaster Management Agency?! They'd need a bigger budget than Defense.
Rob: haha.. yeah.. maybe limiting the scope to not include acts of congress

Posted by: Megan on September 2, 2005 12:15 AM

Katrina: Costco vs. Walmart
A while ago I read an article in Slate that posited that liberals shop at Costco and conservatives shop at Wal Mart. It was a huge generalization, but lets compare the two with regards to Katrina aid:

Costco: a link to the Red Cross on their webpage
Wal Mart: donations of $17 million to start with

Heh

Posted by: Robert Paulson on September 2, 2005 12:16 AM

"Un. Fucking. Believable."

Meh, it'd probably be representative over at DU, John. Anyone checked up on the loons there?

Posted by: Megan on September 2, 2005 12:17 AM

John Hawkins caught some of their nuanced views on looting yesterday.

Typical.

Posted by: on September 2, 2005 12:42 AM

The hurricane is really incidental if that is one's POV.

Essentially, they're justifying any sort of burglary if one thinks one is "entitled" to the goods in question.

Typical liberal situational ethics.

Posted by: Tony on September 2, 2005 12:55 AM

The Anchoress has a nice rebuttal to the jerks complaining about the federal progress. She also mentioned the Katrina consortium at truthlaidbear, where the donations are made in the name of the blog that inspired them to donate. Ace should get hisself up on that list.

Posted by: geoff on September 2, 2005 01:12 AM

Hasn't anyone noticed that this huricane business has taken Cindy Shehan's place in the national press? I question the timing.

Posted by: Scot on September 2, 2005 01:44 AM

As a fundraiser, we are donating on the basis of anyone coming to the blog and leaving a comment. Any comment. It's our money and your clicks.

Posted by: Insider on September 2, 2005 02:05 AM

I simply cannot comprehend what is happening in our country right now.

Bush said this morning that nobody could have foreseen the leevies breaking - either he's uninformed or consciously lying to the public in order to preserve a face. Now, I am not blaming Bush for the disaster. But for God's sake, what is taking so long?

Here are some questions to think about:

Why are we mobilizing the Guard now, instead of a week ago?

Why are convoys of supplies being sent now instead of a week ago?

As early as 2001 it has been known that NO would face a major crisis should a Cat. 4 or 5 hurricane strike - and we knew the hurricane was in its way for days before it hit.

Holding those in power accountable for their inaction is not politics, it is what we all should do. Can you honestly look at the situation and say that this is the best we could do??? If it is, then I am ashamed of my government. And believe me, I would say the same whether it was Democrat or Republican.

Why didn't anyone in our government foresee this? These are people we elect and people we pay through our tax dollars - are they really this incompetent?

Why is Rush Limbaugh and some other right wing nuts stating that it's the people who stayed's fault for their current situation - are they this blind not to see that not everyone had the means to get out? A big chunch of the NO populance is poor - very poor. All that the government could do about those people and bus them into the superdome - why weren't they bused out of the city?

And what's the matter with all the concern for "property rights" now? Who gives a **** if some store gets looted when the entire city is lost already? The only looters that deserve our scorn ar the ones who are looting out of fun and selfishness, which is a small minority comprised of the criminal element of society, an element that will always be there.

Why does Scottie have the nerve to say on national tv that if people need help there are ways for them to get it when thousands are stranded without food, water or medicine, living in sewege amond dead bodies - with no help for state or federal government at all.

Why does he have the nerve to say that there should be zero tolerance for looting when people have no food, no water, no basi healthcare. What are these people supposed to do? Starve? Die?

And don't get me wrong, the wrongdoers in this situation include those in NO who are taking advantage of the situation by raping, killing and shooting.

I am ashamed. I am ashamed of being an American. I am ashamed of being a human being right now. Shame on all of us. All.

Our nation was supposed to be ready for a national disaster. What if this were a major terrorist attack or something even bigger?

Over at RedState.org I saw a comment alleging that it is not even the federal government's job to help people in event of "natural" disasters. That it is the people's own responsibility to take care of themselves. Wow. Simply wow.

Is the word compassion gone from the dictionary in our human minds?

What will the consequences of this be? What will be the stories we hear in comming weeks from those who survived the worst of it? Because at the moment none of us know what the worst of it is. The TV news has been replaying the same footage over and over. Do any of us really know what is going on? Will we ever?

Our innocence is lost. Once again. We, as human society, tend to always say "never again" but yet we continue to lie to ourselves. It is incredible how all our nastiness that we consider "inhuman" is precisely what make us human.

Once this is over, we will say "Never again" once more. And once more we will fail to learn the true lesson of this. Once more we will fall back into finger pointing, the good old blame game and exploit this for our own selfish reasons. Once more we will get caught up in self-righteousness. This is the story of our lives, the story of humanity. So sad but so true.


Posted by: J on September 2, 2005 03:57 AM

J:

....

Really, stupidity like that deserves no comment.

Posted by: Andrea Harris on September 2, 2005 06:54 AM

Don't ruin my fun, Andrea.

For chrissakes, J. People have known a direct hit on New Orleans by a Category 5 hurricane would take out the city since 1969, when the five categories were defined. Before that, they knew "a really big one" would do the trick. Turns out, 2005 was the year. Who knew? No, really...who actually knew?

I am so bloody sick of people who's first instinct in the middle of a shit-storm is to collapse in a heap and whine and write High School essays about innocence lost. Who pussified my country?!

Posted by: S. Weasel on September 2, 2005 07:15 AM

Bush can take some blame along with a whole bunch of ppl.

Just last year, the Army Corps of Engineers sought $105 million for hurricane and flood programs in New Orleans. The White House slashed the request to about $40 million. Congress finally approved $42.2 million, less than half of the agency's request.

Yet the lawmakers and Bush agreed to a $286.4 billion pork-laden highway bill that included more than 6,000 pet projects for lawmakers. Congress spent money on dust control for Arkansas roads, a warehouse on the Erie Canal and a $231 million bridge to a small, uninhabited Alaskan island

Posted by: anon on September 2, 2005 07:51 AM

HEY now, Arkansans pay gas taxes and need roads and need dust control. Sure there's pork and plenty of stupid projects in the highway bill. A line-item veto might help in that regard.

But New Orleans and Louisiana have gotten flood control and related funding for DECADES, and it's lined the pockets of thieves in office rather than going to actually fix the levees. And no amount of fixing levees was going to do anything to hurricane-proof that benighted city. You build in a swamp and then turn your city over to a third-world-quality political machine, and this is what happens.

Posted by: Spex on September 2, 2005 08:06 AM

Watching the news again this morning. The mayor is criticizing the federal response. Again.

Now, like I've said, I think FEMA has been too slow to get aid to the Superdome area. But what the hell has the mayor done?

Let's see...he told everyone to go to the Superdome, then provided nothing while they were there or didn't have a plan in place to get the necessary supplies to the tens of thousands of people he knew were there.

It seems this was the Mayor's plan - move everyone to superdome, wait for storm to be over, wait for federal government assistance.

Oh, and completely disappear except for scattered phone calls to media outlets.

Posted by: Slublog on September 2, 2005 08:22 AM

Anyone want higher blood pressure this morning?

From Michael Moore: An Open Letter to President Bush.

Trust me, you won't need coffee to wake up after reading this one.

Posted by: Slublog on September 2, 2005 08:38 AM

You think I'm "whining" and/or "collapsing"???

If you think being critical of and unhappy with government or society in general is being a "pussy" than so be it.

The situation right now shows how completely f***ed up our priorities are and how irresponsible those in power (and many others) have become. But ultimately the people get the sort of leaders they ask for and if you're happy with our leadership and government than good for you. I for one and not. And it's not because the system isn't working for me - if I was just concerned with myself and those immediately close to me then I wouldn't give a flying f*** about what's going on in the country and the world.

I might be young and naive, but I really wish you could come up to my face tell me that in person and see what happens. Sure, my earlier post might have been full of cliches and slightly emotional but so? If you're gonna respond to it at least say something meaningful.

Spex is right in saying that the city has been fucked since it's very beginning being in a location like this and that even if more money was spent on levvies and whatnot, the flooding would have still happend.

But let me ask all of you something. If you were the leader (or a leader) of this country, what would you do the moment you heard of a cat 5 hurricane heading for a major city prone to such a disaster? Would you go on with your life, your photo ops and your vacation? Or would you do EVERYTHING in your power to help those that would be affected? Because if Bush really did everything in his power to avert this humanitarian disaster then he is some f***ing powerless man let me tell you.

Posted by: J on September 2, 2005 08:41 AM

J, I've found here on these boards having a countrary opinion means being a pussy, communist, narcissist you name it. J you do realize that nobody intelligent can have contrary opinions correct? If you dont' support Bush's polocies then you are a fool, idiot etc.. At least thats what I've found here.

Two of the greatest men to have ever lived where on the same presidential cabinet, Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson. Aside from perhaps 1 or 2 issues on which they compromised they were on opposite sides of the fence on almost everything else. Can anyone claim to view either of thee men as stupid, incompetent a fool a pussy?

Posted by: anon on September 2, 2005 08:48 AM

Anon? Complaining about name calling?

Is this the same anon who blew a gasket the other day? Let's take a stroll down memory lane and look at some of anon's greatest hits:

"You are all a bunch of pussies. First of all you dumb asses Im not blaming Bush for the Natural disater. I'm using this forum to bash Bush for his political policies. You guys just love to make shit up. You guys continually create an arguement by making some statement (in this case I'm blaming Bush for the natural disaster) then rebutting your claim of what I said to bash me. What the fuck is that? Ok for the idiot who put words in my mouth I hereby delcare that President Bush is not responsible for the creation and subsequent destruction caused by Katrina. Are you happy now dummy? Oh and by the way Im a Republican as hard as that is to believe I just loathe our President. Imagine that 100% of Republicans don't like our President"

Brings back memories, doesn't it folks? Remember this golden oldie?

LISTEN YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE MOTHER FUCKING STUPID CUNT BAG. YOU DON'T KNOW ME OR KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ME. DON'T TURN MY BUSH BASHING INTO A LACK OF CARE FOR THE PEOPLE AFFECTED BY THIS DISASTER. I JUST WROTE A CHECK TO THE REDCROSS YESTERDAY DID YOU ? WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOU DONE FOR THESE PEOPLE.

YOU ARE A TOTAL FUCKING MORON GO FUCK YOURSELF YO PIECE OF PIG VOMIT ASSHOLE. ITS PEOPLE LIKE YOU I FUCKING HATE AND I NEVER GET THIS UPSET OR ANGRY. BUT PRESUMPTOUS BIGOT LOW INTELLIGENCE MORONS LIKE YOU MAKE ME LIVID.

Then there's our personal favorite:

Oh i forgot wife beating pedofile.

Yeah buddy how does it feel to be slandered for no reason and having your sexual lifestyle and political affiliantions fabricated? Not too nice eh? Oh I forgot you are a communist.

Interestig in your last post you continue on this narcissit rant but DO NOT IN ANYWAY SHAPE OR FORM ADDRESS WHAT I SAID REGARDING YOUR FABRICATING MY VIEWS.

I leave you all to your cozy aligned views with no dissent sick of ppl like phinn..prefer a board where I can Bash Bush and have a response that shows why his view is supported instead of being called an unsympathetic person.

IM OUT OF HERE AND PHINN GOOD DAY AND A BIG FUCK TO YOU!

We hope you've enjoyed this as much as we have.

Posted by: Anon Hunter on September 2, 2005 08:56 AM

J.
I really don't know what to say. It's one thing to be very upset over the situation, and it's another to lash out blindly looking for someone to blame. The cities and states *always* have first responsibility when things like this happen; it's only when the President declares it a disaster area that federal assistance is supplied. The President's job is to: 1) declare the area a national disaster area (which he unprecedently did before Katrina even hit); 2) visit the area to express concern and focus national attention (which he did); 3) bring Americans together to support the victims (which he has done by recruiting Clinton & Bush I to promote fund raising efforts); and 4) make sure federal funds are available (he's already asked congress for $10.5 billion).

And the FEMA that is being criticized as being eviscerated by the Bush administration is the same FEMA that handled all the hurricanes in Florida last year. With the same people. With a distinct lack of partisan criticism.

Posted by: geoff on September 2, 2005 09:00 AM

Anon:
Your post is so yesterday. Please enjoy this excerpt from the Chicago Tribune (following on the heels of a very critical article):

WASHINGTON -- The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers said Thursday that a lack of funding for hurricane-protection projects around New Orleans did not contribute to the disastrous flooding that followed Hurricane Katrina.

In a telephone interview with reporters, corps officials said that although portions of the flood-protection levees remain incomplete, the levees near Lake Pontchartrain that gave way--inundating much of the city--were completed and in good condition before the hurricane.

However, they noted that the levees were designed for a Category 3 hurricane and couldn't handle the ferocious winds and raging waters from Hurricane Katrina, which was a Category 4 storm when it hit the coastline. The decision to build levees for a Category 3 hurricane was made decades ago based on a cost-benefit analysis.

"I don't see that the level of funding was really a contributing factor in this case," said Lt. Gen. Carl Strock, chief of engineers for the corps. "Had this project been fully complete, it is my opinion that based on the intensity of this storm that the flooding of the business district and the French Quarter would have still taken place."

Posted by: geoff on September 2, 2005 09:02 AM

It's unbelievable to hear people blame Bush for this too. I didn't realize that he had supernatural powers. All this time I thought he was a regular human being like us. I feel so stupid. I've been such a fool. Come on "J". The Mayor knows the city better than anyone. He should have helped those poor people evacuate, He should have had a plan. But he didn't did he. He turned tail and ran away as soon as things got tought. And it's the National Goverment who will pick up the pieces left behind by the complete lack of leadership shown by the Mayor and the Governor of New Orleans. They should be ashamed. But what do they do. They Blast Bush, shift blame. Stand up and be a man mayor. Give us all a freaking break.

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Posted by: Michelle on September 2, 2005 09:07 AM

geoff, thanks for posting the article which supports my point. The article says

The decision to build levees for a Category 3 hurricane was made decades ago based on a cost-benefit analysis.

Cost of what human life? If you ask for 100 million and get only 50 well you can't build the best you possibly can can you. Not saying we should spend 1 trillion on things like this but certainly more money can be given and taken away from other crap like in the highway bill. Every year work is done on those levees. They can be fuilt and fortified better to withstand more.

Posted by: anon on September 2, 2005 09:10 AM

Oh and Geooff, great manipulation very sublte to turn what I said into something that I didn't. Very common here as well for people to rebutt fabricated arguements.

Geoff in my first post did I say that the money that the army corp was seeking and didnt get was specifically for LEEVES? No. Your article is a rebutel of something that I nor my article claimed. Perhaps it is true as in your article that the decision to build the levees and all of what is claimed in your article is true. SO WHAT? It doesn't rebutt what my article says which is that the army corp received roughly 50% of what it was looking for for hurricane and flood programs. These don't have to be for the leeves which your article specifically addresses.

Nice try though.

Posted by: anon on September 2, 2005 09:18 AM

geoff,

I am not lashing out at anyone in particular - I mentioned Bush simply because he is the highest authority in the country right now.

My problem is not with just 1 person. It is with the philosophy of doing only what is required of one's position and not a dime more - I have observed that philosophy in plenty of workplaces and various "teams" that I have been part of. I am sure all of you have seen that and even perhaps done that. When I worked as a programmer a while back I too sometimes only did the bare minimum of what was needed to get by.

It is my opinion that such a philosophy and such an outlook in life in general is what causes many of society's problems. The position of a president or anyone in government, senators, mayors, governers, etc is way too powerful and important - those individuals need to give everything of themselves to do their job.

And please go to the mirror and look at yourself and tell yoursef that you honsetly believbe our leaders gave everything of themselves, and made every effort from the very begining.

Of course many of you will say that they don't NEED to do that. That they are doing the job they're elected for and that's it. Nobody needs to do far more than in required of them in order to have personal success. And of course you would be right - they are not required by any law whether written or unwritten to do that. I simply wish that they did - the country and the world sure as hell would be a better place if they did.

I know this is naive, even silly - it is obvious that many if not most of those in power and control of government and society in general don't share this ethic. It is up to us as citizens to have such requirements of our leaders - and since most of don't, well, you see the point by now I hope.

Posted by: J on September 2, 2005 09:18 AM

Anon:
Priorities and pork are always problems, and reasonable people will always disagree on priorities. Bush was trying to push local disaster mitigation back onto local governments - that's the rationale for the budget cuts. The states and municipalities haven't yet picked up the ball, so there's a void in coverage at the moment.

But saying we didn't build the best possible levees we could build is naive and nonsensical - we've never built the best of anything we could build. Nobody has. We always execute cost-benefit analysis in everything we build, as civil engineers did in New Orleans many decades ago.

Posted by: geoff on September 2, 2005 09:28 AM

Michelle,

I am not absolving the mayor of any responsibility for the inadequate response. But compare the resources available to the mayor (or governor, for that matter) to those available to the president and others in the federal government and you get the idea.

Posted by: J on September 2, 2005 09:29 AM

Geoff,

I am not talking about what the president or government should have done in the long past - building leevies and such - those would not have really helped this disaster that much other then maybe slow the flooding.

I am talking about what our leaders did the moment we knew the hurricane would hit - which was 5 or so days before it did.

Arguments whether it should be the states or the feds who take care of disasters are irrelevent the moment a disaster becomes imminent. That moment everyone in power should have done EVERYTHING possible to save as many lives and prevent a humanitarian crisis. And in the comming weeks - once we actually hear all the stories of those left behind - you'd have to be a fool to believe that those we elected actually did that.

Posted by: J on September 2, 2005 09:36 AM

The decision to build levees for a Category 3 hurricane was made decades ago based on a cost-benefit analysis.

Decades ago? Decades??? How the HELL does that article support your "point" that the Bush admin is somehow even partially to blame for the levees failing, when the Corps of frickin' engineers says explicitly that is NOT THE CASE? Is Bush a time traveller now? Did he jump back to the 60s or 70s, just to pull the Jedi mind-trick on Johnson, Nixon or Carter with respect to civil frickin' engineering projects?

Sometimes folks are called names not because they are "valiant dissenters that disagree," but because they are in fact morons. So get ready for name-calling, Anon. You are a turd. A worm. A willfully ignorant intellectual midget, with shifting rationales changed whenever your latest Bush-bashing argument has been completely shot down.

Take your bad-faith "arguments", transparently based on some weird, tribal, blind hatred, and shove 'em up your squeakhole.

Posted by: Rocketeer on September 2, 2005 09:46 AM

Ok see here geoff and Rocketeer..this is called a direct rebuttel.

The former head of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, the agency that handles the infrastructure of the nation's waterways, said the damage in New Orleans probably would have been much less extensive had flood-control efforts been fully funded over the years.

"Levees would have been higher, levees would have been bigger, there would have been other pumps put in," said Mike Parker, a former Mississippi congressman who headed the engineering agency from 2001 to 2002.

"I'm not saying it would have been totally alleviated but it would have been less than the damage that we have got now."

Posted by: anon on September 2, 2005 09:54 AM

Predictably, 'The Today Show' continues to bastardize it's coverage of the disaster. Matt Lauer just asked Chris Matthews "what kind of political price do you think the president will pay?" (since hurricanes--and Lousiana's absence of planning--are somehow his fault). Matthews then observed that "the very same [infrastructure] we have in place to deal with a hurricane is the same that we have in place to deal with a terrorist attack." Thank heavens terrorists don't have access to category 5 hurricanes! Look, I appreciate the gist of this argument: namely, that if we're not really ready for this, how we will be ready for a dirty bomb? etc. But how was our hurricane preparedness (let alone our terror readiness) served by unionizing airport baggage screeners? Was there another contribution to preparedness made by the left?

As to the argument that we don't have enough National Guard to deal with the crisis (we do), does that mean liberals think we should have had a bigger National Guard? That we weren't spending enough on defense?

And lastly, the (state) levee project for New Orleans was considered fully funded when it began in 1965. It has never been completed. Lousiana has been a one-party state (read: Democrat) since the days of Huey Long. But of course, Bush is to blame.

Wait! It's really Karl Rove! And his Fantastic Tesla Weather Machine! Built secretly by Halliburton, paid for by war-profiteers, located deep beneath the surface of an all-male, whites-only country club! Activated to kill the poor and hike oil profits! It's all so clear to me now.

Posted by: Shawn on September 2, 2005 09:54 AM

Written dec 2000 unreal read!
http://subpariq.blogspot.com/2005/09/nostradamus-of-new-orleans.html

FYI - a "direct rebuttal" has to actually rebut. How the hell does that support your original "point", Anon? The operative word is "former." He is simply not in a position to know, as are the currebt officials quoted in the article above you speciously say "supports" your "argument." In other words, he's kind of like you, you ignorant, subject-changing, goalpost-shifting homunculus.

Posted by: Rocketeer on September 2, 2005 10:14 AM

Anon:

Actually the quote I posted is a rebuttal of your quote, since Mike Parker's quote came a couple of days ago. The Mike Parker quote has also been represented by liberal bloggers as coming from a Republican, hence non-biased, source. But he was fired by the Bush administration 3 years ago over budget disagreements, giving him ample reason to carp now. But his statement is odd, since the llevees are already at Cat-3, and there were no plans to build them higher or stronger. And since the levees that failed were already finished.

As far as "manipulating" your argument, that's not what I intended. I merely thought that since it was a failure of a levee that caused the flooding, that it would be the funding of levees that would be of the most relevance. Regardless, the Army Corps of Engineers said that even if the entire project had been completed, it wouldn't have made a difference.

Here, by the way, is an interesting article (from Slate, of all places) which focuses on the positive changes the Bush administration has brought to the Army Corps of Engineers.

Posted by: geoff on September 2, 2005 10:28 AM

J. and Anon
The only reason I am respondeing is because I normally sign on as j. The chance that anyone might mistake me for you is way too much for me. The problem that you do not seem to understand is that there is such a thing as personal responsibility. While I did say on an earlier post that the mayor was at fault for providing no assistance for the people who wanted to get to the Superdome-or even out of NO but were unable to without help, and that the gov. should have had things in place to prevent looting, the element of personal responsibility remains the big factor. In a similar situation, I am pretty sure that most people would look to themselves to do whatever possible to get themselves and their loved ones out of the way. That would include calls for help to police, etc. before the storm. That not being done, I would not blame the problem on other people. The mayor, the gov, are all very fast at pointing the finger elsewhere. Whatever you think of Bush, FEMA, or anyone trying to help, THEY are helping. Not assigning blame.

Posted by: j.d on September 2, 2005 11:12 AM

J, let's get a grip here.

The rescue area is VAST. 90,000 square miles.
No way you can prepare for that. No fucking way.

And there are tens of thousands of people waiting for transportation. 25,000 in one particular spot.
How exactly do you quickly move 25,000 people?

I'm feeling better today because of the National guard building their presence there.

But as you look at the size of the area affected, and then try to mentally figure how much aid you would have to prepare ahead of time- WITHOUT donated money- it is clear that people are doing all they can do.

Seriously...look at it. It would be well and good if they had fixed the levees 35 years ago, but I'm not sure if that would have changed much.

They could have prepared for the worst, dotted the coastline with concrete forts full of emergency personnel and supplies, and the losses would still have been catastrophic.

Posted by: lauraw on September 2, 2005 11:51 AM

Keep in mind it hasn't even been a week yet.
For a comparisson with the Tsunami check out this.

Considering the scope of Katrina, and even with local incompetence, aid is getting in. Clean up will take time, but everythng will happen pretty quick.

Posted by: Iblis on September 2, 2005 12:23 PM

I am ashamed of being an American. I am ashamed of being a human being right now.

You could always move to Europe and change species.

(Sorry, I'm making an assumption that you consider Europeans to be morally superior, but I don't think it's a big jump, considering all the other cliches you're spewing)

Posted by: John from WuzzaDem on September 2, 2005 12:42 PM

This is Rich... Michael Moore would be proud

http://www.campusprogress.org/page/community/blog/ToddHill

What a load of garbarge

Posted by: Michelle on September 2, 2005 12:54 PM

I am talking about what our leaders did the moment we knew the hurricane would hit - which was 5 or so days before it did.

No, J. Five days before, Katrina was a Category 1 storm. A Cat 1 is a blip. The storm didn't pick up power until it crossed over Florida and headed across the gulf. It wasn't declared a Category 5 until a day before it hit, and that's when a full evacuation was called. It's not really enough time to evacuate a city like New Orleans, but hey -- natural disasters are like that. This is weather.

And five days out, Katrina could've made landfall in any number of places. It could even have taken a hard right turn and hit New England. Do you have any idea how prepared Boston would be for one of these? No, me neither. But today we might well have been wringing out hands and blaming Boston for spending its money on the Big Dig instead of hurricane preparedness. Or blaming Bush because he didn't send the Guard to Cape Cod a week ago.

Do you know what you call a politician who does more than the minimum before there's a tragedy? "Wasteful." Because ( happily) most of the tragedies we prepare for never happen.

Posted by: S. Weasel on September 2, 2005 12:55 PM

S. Weasel, you're right that Katrina started as 1. Most hurricanes start as one but there is a wonderful technology these days called 'forecast' which can, guess what, actually predict how a hurricane's strenght could increase!!!

And the models (a few days in advance, mind you), showed that Katrina is likely to reach 4 or 5. And yes, you're right the exact location could not be determined - but we knew New Orleans would be near. There was plenty of time to mobilize supplies and Guard to keep them on stand by and full readiness instead of mobilizing them AFTER the storm. This is the kind of lack of foresight that seems to plague certain individuals who'd rather not be wasteful and risk the loss of thousands of lives. And I don't give a damn if it's wasteful, better safe then sorry. Tell those who have lost loved ones that it was worth not to be ready for the worst so that we are not wasteful.

If you still think our leaders and government did EVERYTHING in their power in the wake of the disaster then you must be simply delusional. And don't give me that "it's too costly crap", you're talknig about innocent peopel dying in the hart of the America, women getting raped, etc, etc, how could you ever think of putting a price on that???? I mean even Bush just admitted that the effort has been too slow - wonder who HE is gonna blame now.

And sure you will blame me for politicizing the issue blah blah blah. You think I would be reacting any different if a Democratic administration had presided over this??? I don't care whose party or what idealogy the president has at this time. Because no matter the party or political views the leader of this country needs to take his or her job with much more seriosness and dedication, the leader should well, lead, have insight and be able to foresee things - it was clear to me that all hell would break loose if NO gets flooded and those guys are supposed to be competent at what they do.

Well, I'm out, you guys go on bickering about pointless details and who said what when and who blah blah blah. In the comming weeks we will know much more about what actually went on, so just wait and see, and oh yeah help one way or another if you can, at least THAT is somerhing well all agree on.

Posted by: J on September 2, 2005 01:36 PM

Don't feel bad, we have some nice parting gifts for you.

Posted by: John from WuzzaDem on September 2, 2005 01:47 PM

Because no matter the party or political views the leader of this country needs to take his or her job with much more seriosness and dedication, the leader should well, lead, have insight and be able to foresee things - it was clear to me that all hell would break loose if NO gets flooded and those guys are supposed to be competent at what they do.

And...and...he's supposed to be able to walk through walls...and have X-ray vision...and shoot LASER BEAMS out of his eyes.

That would be sweet.

Posted by: Slublog on September 2, 2005 01:57 PM

It's funny to me how these morons who are screaming that Bush should march the military into Louisiana are the same ones who shudder at the thought of the Patriot Act.

I thought the idiots were quaking in their Birkenstocks at the idea of Chimpya marching across the Rubicon, and now they're whining, bitching, and complaining that he's not doing it.

Here's a blog of someone who is in the middle of that hell on earth.

If any of you leftists want to blame someone, start with the mainstream news media, who seem to be distorting the truth about what's happening there:

Three days ago, police and national guard troops told citizens to head toward the Crescent City Connection Bridge to await transportation out of the area. The citizens trekked over to the Convention Center and waited for the buses which they were told would take them to Houston or Alabama or somewhere else, out of this area.

It's been 3 days, and the buses have yet to appear.

[...]

They had no food, no water, and no medicine for the last three days, until today, when the National Guard drove over the bridge above them, and tossed out supplies over the side crashing down to the ground below. Much of the supplies were destroyed from the drop. Many people tried to catch the supplies to protect them before they hit the ground. Some offered to walk all the way around up the bridge and bring the supplies down, but any attempt to approach the police or national guard resulted in weapons being aimed at them.

Hey lefties, guess who controls the police and national guard in New Orleans? Hint: IT'S NOT BUSH!

Dumbasses.

Posted by: Sue Dohnim on September 2, 2005 02:31 PM

Here's a great comment from a Robert Modean who wrote this at Donald Sensing's Blog.

Sorry Joel & ROE, but you guys are WAAAYYY off base in criticizing FEMA. Disaster preparedness is the responsibility of State and Local authorities – in this case LEMA (The Louisiana Emergency Management Agency). There is a state-wide director for disaster relief in every state – that person is called the Governor. There is a local director for disaster relief in every municipality – that person is called the Mayor. FEMA is a coordinating body that assists State and Local authorities in getting the resources they need. Because they are the “go to” people most folks are under the impression that they are in charge, and in fact if the State and Local authorities abdicate control over a disaster area they will take over. Typically after the initial response to a disaster the local guys do just that, leave FEMA in control. That’s because they have the experience and personnel to manage disasters of this scale.

Disclosure: I’m a volunteer coordinator for MEMA (The Missouri Emergency Management Agency), I’ve been through three major floods and a few big storms that generated enough tornado damage to get the affected counties disaster relief – believe me when I tell you what we are seeing from FEMA now is lightyears ahead of what I’ve seen from them in the past. Typically it took two to three days just to get the disaster declaration, then another two to three to get FEMA deployed – of course by then the local guys had been on the ground working around the clock for five or six days and we were more than happy to dump everything in FEMA’s lap. That’s the way the system is designed. Bush saw that and tried to skip a few steps to speed things up, he pre-declared the areas disaster areas. So what we are seeing in NO is the result of a convergence of factors:

First, the storm damage was bad, but the flooding has made relief efforts ten times harder than anything they could have imagined. Second, Mayor Nagin’s performance has been pathetic. This is the worst case of poor planning and criminal incompetence I’ve ever seen. Like I said, Bush declared the gulf coast area a Federal Disaster area on Saturday – two days before Katrina hit. That freed up FEMA resources for local and state coordinators and allowed for the pre-positioning of supplies so they could be rapidly deployed to the affected areas. Mayor Nagin waited until the last minute to call for an evacuation of the city, but the poorest people could not evacuate – why weren’t school busses used to get them out of town? Mayor Nagin made the last minute decision to declare the Superdome and COnvention centers as refuge relocation points – why weren’t they stocked with water, food, bedding, generators, and fuel? Why weren’t hospitals offered additional resources by the Mayors office? Mayor Nagin made the decision to allow looting and told the police to focus on Search and Rescue – but looting hinders S&R efforts (as we’ve seen) and no one I know could believe that decision – it’s emergency management 101, preserving order preserves life. There’s plenty of blame to go around – Blanco deserves her share too – but the real culprit in the aftermath here is Nagin.

Posted by: geoff on September 2, 2005 02:39 PM

Although J. and anon have said they left, I would just like to point out one more thing to them. I live near Detroit and I can say for certainty that if the residents around here had 72 hours warning of a major catastrophe of any sort coming our way, both the residents of the suburbs and the law abiding residents of Detroit would realize that ANY disruption of police activity would result in a catastrophe larger than any thing nature could send our way. We would expect chaos and clear out. How the residents of NO could not have foreseen anarchy is the really baffling part. I still feel that the mayor should have helped the helpless, but the rest of them should have helped themselves. Needless to say, the mayors evacuation plan does not impress me. What they really needed was a Rudy to direct the police and stop the madness. Management starts at the top.

Posted by: j.d. on September 2, 2005 03:23 PM

From The Corner.

A D.U.mbass displays the typical morality of leftist assholes by refusing to help a mother and child because Mom had a Bush bumper sticker.

Posted by: Sue Dohnim on September 2, 2005 04:36 PM

And...and...he's supposed to be able to walk through walls...and have X-ray vision...and shoot LASER BEAMS out of his eyes.


LOL!!!!!!....

Posted by: The Ugly American on September 2, 2005 04:47 PM

Sue - I saw the story about that morally-vacant DUer over at LGF. There were quite a few comments in response to that story, as you might imagine.

The most humorous commenter (hey, I have to laugh at something right now) noted the mom should be grateful the DUmmie didn't stop to "help", because then she and her child would have been trapped in a Yugo with a ranting and incompetent sociopath.

Yes, it's quite likely that the next person to come along was MUCH more helpful, and less insane, than Miss Morally Clueless.

Posted by: Kimberly on September 2, 2005 08:52 PM
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