Nothing lower than an Anti-Semeticommunistsocialistliberaleftocraticmargaretsangerworshippingnazipiecofshitpreachinghatefromatoptheirson'scoffin!

Uh, that link's the same one from the last post.

Ace, is that link supposed to take me to a Cindy Sheehan article?

Someone toss up an open thread, please.

You know it's got to be killing the leftwing that she is coming across as ant-semitic. They thought they had the perfect anti war poster child, didn't they?

and now lying about it??? Sad. Really.

Wait, I thought they liked anti-semites. When did they change?

Its a "vast Morris-Tersch conspiracy"...

I just KNEW KKKarl Rove was behind it all - he's the only one capable of architecting vast global conspiracies that could (using double super secret tin foil penetrating mindwaves of course) dupe moonbats into performing identical synchronized multiple email fabrications.

So there you have it - the Bush attack machine has Cindy in their sights and is mercelessly pulling the trigger.

The Left still dislikes the neocons and opposes Bush doing whatever Israel wants. The accusation that Cindy Sheehan is automatically anti-Semitic because she criticizes the only political force and foreign nation Americans are supposed to be prohibited from criticizing doesn't bother the Left, it is made to make her look bad to the Conservative base where unquestioning love of Israel has been inserted into the Platform since neocons started calling the shots in Red State thinking....

What did hurt Sheehan was getting caught lying, and going off message from Iraq into various Leftie side issues like Israel-Palestine, corporate corruption, and how America isn't fit to fight for in any cause.

Any history book written of the Iraq War will cover the neocon faction's contribution. Their work for Israel's Likud Gov't, the PNAC, their letter to Clinton supporting regime change, and their role in a series of spectacular miscalculations in the buildup "cakewalk, & Chalabi will have an Israel-friendly democracy in 6 months" and their sorry-ass ignorant judgment and advice that created the badly botched postwar phase.

It's too important and too obvious to writers here and abroad who have all the documents - to have any hope of stifling honest histories of the neocon/Bush Administration Iraq adventure as "anti-Semitic" simply because they diss neocons and "the one country Americans must never criticize"..

Jesus H. Tapdancing Christ, Cedarford... Don't you have a post on Stormfront you could be replying to?

Jesus H. Tapdancing Christ, Cedarford... Don't you have a post on Stormfront you could be replying to?

Man, I didn't even have to finish reading the second sentence of that comment (you know which one I mean) to know who had written it. The only thing missing is a crack about jewish girls dating NBA players.

Reading all your right-wing extremist neocon Zionist messages of hate reminded me: I also want the Liar-in-Chief to tell me the truth about how he's giving our good American jobs to the inscrutable little slant-eyed yellow devils. My wee adorable toddler had his life sacrificed for that too.

Antisemitism is the weirdest damn thing. It's like a virus. People I know who would be horrified to be considered anti-semitic will nonetheless say things like, "but you have to admit, the jews..." and follow it with some allegation that's extra doubly true of Italians in my neighborhood. Hell, the lines down the middle of the street in town were deliberately painted in the colors of the Italian flag, and people say, "awwww...how quaint!" Can you imagine the brouhaha if somebody painted streets in Manhattan the colors of the Israeli flag?

I posted this message so I could say "brouhaha" in public.

Weasel, I think the general public will lower themselves to whatever degree or species of racism and prejudice is socially acceptable by society at large, and this is largely determined by what is published in papers and read on the news. As long as the lefties in the media not only tollerate, but add to anti-semitism in the public discourse, it will be socially acceptable and widely praticed.

Cedarford, Where to start...

I don't have a problem with anyone writing their own history of the Iraq war, but unfortunately, those suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome cannot and will not write it without pumping the usual completely discredited themes: Bush Lied, No Al Qada Connection, Yellowcake, Halliburton, and the list goes on. When the echo chamber becomes an actual news industry and starts telling the truth instead of hawking the lies of the rabid anti-Bush league, the someone who can write the history WITH all the facts will be eligible to docoment their version of the history. In the mean time, the President and his supporters have consistently told the truth and their predictions have come true. And don't give me that "we failed to plan for the aftermath" crap either. We are slaughtering islamofascist terrorists by the boatload, on their home turf, and with zero additional casualties at home. I'm sure it grieves the self loathing left that we aren't getting blown up in subways like the civilized Europeans. (Boy am I sorry we can't be more like them.) I prefer the way we're doing it now, where people who volunteered for military service can take turns sharpening their tactics and marksmanship on every deranged nutbag in the middle east who believes in jihad until there aren't enough of them left to drive each other across the border or the Iraqi's decide to put an end to it once and for all. Or we stupidl elect another Democrat who gives back all the progress we've made over the last 5 years. Thankfully, Americans would much rather die killing terrorists than cower in fear of them, and we won't have to put up with too much leftie internationalist stupidity in the future.

Scot -

I don't have too many quibbles with your critique of the far Left, but the Far Right that mind-rotes "The Leader can do no wrong. Support the Leader" have some reality problems of their own.

Some Right Wingers, like a deranged young Boy Scout failing to bag a snipe, remain adament that "vast stockpiles of WMD" are buried in a "Nation as big as California". Worse, some still insist that if the "vast stockpiles" are not there, they must be in Syria, as infallible Israeli intellegence sources demanding the US "surgically take out" the Syrian threat maintain. And the Right Wingers are as out of touch as the Lefties when they start with the "postwar" was not botched, but part of Bush the Genius's Secret Master Plan to lure the evildoers in and destroy some.

Cindy Sheehan is a typical moron enabled by other morons, convinced in her "victimhood" that she has Absolute Moral Authority, quoting yet another moron's words, Maureen Dowd - and unlimited entitlement to make unlimited demands on others "until CLOSURE happens".

But the Right gave that privilege to the "Victim families of 9/11" - especially to the relatives of the uniformed government employees who were recast by job title into Greatest Heroes. Nothing was too much for them to demand and get - millions a family, how intelligence and homeland security should be run, what airports needed to do, even the proper Victim-focused redesign and architecture. You name it, the 9/11 Victims families became the Experts in All Matters through victimhood.

And the Right was all over itself pandering to the venomous, deceitful, and possibly deranged Schindler Family and their religious fanatic followers in the Terri Schiavo Fiasco. In many ways, their sliming of Michael Schiavo harkens the Left using the same tactic - having a venomous, deceitful, and possibly deranged woman slime Bush while expecting everyone to respect her and not question her - because as a victim, she suffered so!

I use the word "brouhaha" in public all the time.

What does that say about me?

I can think of dozens of things wrong with your Schiavo comparison, Cedarford, not least of which that the Schiavo's kid wasn't dead yet. That was sort of the point of the exercise.

So being critical of Israel is the same as being anti-semitic? As Michael Jackson would put it: "That's ignorant!"

Cedarford kinda reminds me of Dirty Harry- he's not really prejudiced; he hates everyone.

I use the word "brouhaha" in public all the time

What does that say about me?

It says you're from the south, otherwise you'd use that silly "kerfluffel" word.

bLAh, the underpinning of anti Zionism is that that which is wrong about Israel cannot be fixed by anything less than Israel ceasing to exist. When they aren't speaking to a Western audience, the Palestinians are quite clear on this point. Israel Should Not Be.

And yet, the muslim quarters of European cities aren't keen on sharing with Jewish citizens, either.

So, if they don't belong in Israel, and they don't belong outside of Israel...? You see the problem. He Whose Name Godwins Threads would have, for certain.

Weasel -

I think the point was that her guardian and the court finding of fact determined that T Schiavo would not herself have wished to have lived as a mindless vegetable. A fanatic minority disagreed and were pandered to by politicians thinking they were "base votes" that must be succored. The public was revolted by the RTL circus and because Bush and the Religious Right were trying to get control over family decisions. They approved of unplugging T Schiavo.

In the aftermath, we had a brain-dead melanoma patient with T Schiavo's cognitive ability - zero - being kept "alive" 3 months for a good purpose - to get a wanted baby through adequate gestation. Then unplugged since her official death occured May 1st. The Schindlers video was shown a fraud, all the "abuse" complaints were investigated and found malicious or unfounded, and the autopsy showed T Schiavo's husk was profoundly and irrevocably brain-damaged with no potential for regaining cognition or awareness.

Cedarford, it probably won't surprise anyone that I disagree with you on very nearly all the particulars of the Schiavo case (not just the interpretations, but the facts), but this doesn't seem to be the thread for it.

I do want to say one more time, however, that I'm pissed as hell it was cast as a religious issue.

bLAh -

While anyone except Israelis that criticizes any Israel policy is termed by Zionists and Right Wing Republicans of the neocon camp as "anti-Semitic" at least you have the comfort of being able to freely criticize any other foreign nation without being slammed automatically as a bigot or a racist.

Whale away on China. Or Zimbabwe. Or India. Throw in Bolivia, too! No one will accuse you of racism. Slam wahabbism and Saudi Arabia as barbaric and evil. No one will accuse you of being a bigoted anti-Semite (the Saudis are all Semites like the Jews).

You can even freely criticize American policies as an American.

Just don't say a disparaging word about one foreign country and their ferverent backers here.

Because they're "special".

Just ask them.

Weasel - I do want to say one more time, however, that I'm pissed as hell it was cast as a religious issue.

Perhaps it was the Operation Rescue circus with the 20 foot high crosses and the religiously deranged followers clustered outside the hospice having something to do with it?

Maybe it was the robed priests and reverands that showed up on talk shows.

Maybe it was the politicians that tried to toss in a "Jesus" for every "Terri" in their speeches as they said God could provide a miracle and every human even the "cognitively handicapped" (PC for effectively being brain-dead) had "sanctity of life".

A few atheists showed up as "Save Terri" supporters, but they were mostly disability activists. A few man-hating feminist types went along for the ride because they "knew" like most men - the husband HAD to be an abusing Scott Peterson II.

The secular response was overwhelmingly "pull the plug on the poor creature".

Yes, Cedarford, disability activists. Just so. Who better to understand that if you're incapable of saying "ouch" you aren't necessarily not in pain.

Remember the old joke? "Frog with no legs goes deaf"?

The secular response was overwhelmingly "pull the plug on the poor creature".

Why secularists would give a rats ass one way or the other about what amounted to (in their opinion) a lump of non-sentient meat like one might find in a grocery store freezer has always escaped me.

Some went as far as to say "she's already dead". If that's the case, why fight so hard to kill and already dead corpse again?!?

Why would secularists give a crap? Well, because if someone had expressed their desire to not live as a virtual corpse - honoring those wishes as that person's guardian is a spousal duty. RTLrs attempted to interfere and prevent what the court determined were her wishes, based on the evidence.

Many RTLrs were stupidly deceived by the Schindlers doctored video or believed the false abuse allegations the RTLrs were encouraged to make against the husband on several of their websites. The autopsy proved 3 nurses and the Operation Rescue lawyer, Barbara Weller, had lied under oath.

The other factor is resources. She had been a public charge since 2001. All the lawsuit funds used up on care or legal fees, and remember most veggies don't win a multi-million dollar lawsuit and become indigent within months. T Schiavo's husk was costing about 85,000 a year to maintain PLUS the medicare portion that paid for her feeding tube gruel and medications. In most states, states getting killed financially over long-term indigent care, laws were passed, signed by guys like George Dubya Bush, that barred state reimbursement for "futile medical care".

What is the best use of scarce taxpayer funds? 85K +10K Medicare for a carrot. Or 95K that will provide immunization shots for one thousand eight hundred kids of the working poor? States are having to make that choice and a few veggies should not come before dire public health needs.

If you think that veggies must survive no matter what, then pass universal health care, or form RTL groups where everyone pays for private, hugely expensive insurance for "deluxe long-term care" if the policy-holder is Rutabaga-ized.

A judge decided that her in-laws' recollection she once off-handedly said, "dang, I wouldn't want to live like that" coming out of a funeral was exactly the same thing as a proper living will. Oh, and there were still funds left from the lawsuit. They went to her 'husband'. You know, the one who'd been living with another woman for a decade and had two children by her. The one who cremated Terri's body against her parents' wishes, and now won't tell them where the ashes are.

We have no idea what consciousness looks like on a CAT scan. Doctors no better than laymen; and they're pissed off on a bedrock level by patients who will never get any better. If Schiavo had any awareness at all, it was probably a dim and dreamlike awareness. We can't know. And in my book, if you don't know, you don't kill people.

Once you start with the "think of how many vaccination for the chilrunnnn you could buy" argument, there are millions of Alzheimer grannies (among others) who need to be looking over their shoulders. We, as a nation, need to have this conversation, and we need to have it with a lot more seriousness than "let's see how many different vegetables you can name."

If you say "Cedarford" five times backwards in the mirror, does he disappear? Let's try it: Drofradec, Drofradec, Drofradec, Drofradec, Drofradec!

Now you try.

If you say "Cedarford" five times backwards in the mirror, does he disappear?

Rekcuskcoc, Rekcuskcoc, Rekcuskcoc, Rekcuskcoc, Rekcuskcoc.

Looks like that may have done it.

Hah!

Since you are so busy attacking Cedarford, perhaps I can pick up the point:



If you criticize the Chinese government's policies, you are not automatically considered anti-chinese.



If you criticize the Bolivian government's policies, you are not automatically considered anti-Bolivian.



If you criticize the Indian government's policies, you are not automatically considered anti-Indian.



et cetera...



And yet, if you criticize the Israeli government's policies, you are automatically considered anti-jewish. Why is this so? Do you really think the Israeli government is infallible, that it is above criticism?

Well, because the 'policies' always attacked seem to be all about the very existence of the state of Israel.

We are not happy with China in many ways; but nobody is disputing China's right to exist as a nation and defend itself.

Furthermore, C says foul things about American Jews (not to mention black people) and believes in a conspiracy theory, that America is secretly run by a Zionist cabal.

I am not exaggerating.

I mean, we talk about a wide range of subjects here and have discussed other nations, pro and con; but Israel evokes only a bilious all-negative response from C.

Not just the leaders, but all the inhabitants too, even those in the diaspora. And he has had particularly charming things to say about Jewish women.

Whereas most people can distinguish between the faults of nation's leadership and actual ethnicity, he is unable to when it comes to this particular nation.

Why do you suppose that is?

Well, yes, actually...depending on what policies you were criticizing and how you worded your criticism, and whether you thumped that tub ALL GODDAMNED DAY LONG UNTIL THE REST OF US WANTED TO SCREAM WHEN WE WEREN'T EVEN TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED ANYWHERE NEAR FUCKING CHINA OR FUCKING BOLIVIA, you might well be accused of being anti Chinese or Bolivian.

Only...that doesn't appear to be happening. Go figure.

Hmm, well, I suppose anti-jewish bigots will throw in criticisms of the state of Israel along with their other rants. Was not aware of that person's background.


I have been in discussions before where even the slightest hint of criticism of the state of Israel brought a hail of "anti-semitism" accusations, totally unfounded, but seemingly intended to stifle debate.


I assume you folks think it is possible to criticize the state of Israel without being anti-jewish?


(A story about Israel and France: I used to work in a classified environment, building systems mostly for use by the U.S. government. However, our company built stuff for foreign countries too. The scuttlebutt around the place was that if someone from France or Israel was scheduled to visit, you should lock up every scrap of sensitive information, classified or otherwise. The French and Israelis had a reputation of stealing information wherever they went. I think I remember reading a story about there being bugs planted on Air France airplanes for commercial espionage purposes.)

Hmm, in this case the "anti-semitism" seemed to be in one place:


"Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the army to protect America, not Israel."


It reads to me like she was criticizing the Republicans for having policies that she perceived as favoring foreigners over Americans. I didn't see any mention of anything related to anyone being jewish.


So my question is, if you replaced "Israel" with "China" in her quote, would she then be accused of prejudice agains asians?


Does this woman have a track record of expressing anti-jewish sentiments? If not, then why not take her at face value and assume she's simply criticizing her government for sending our soldiers to war to benefit a foreign government?


You can disagree with her assertion that we're fighting for Israel's benefit rather than our own, but calling her "anti-semitic" seems to be a stretch.


Or, since this seems to be a right-wing website, are they just cynically using this seemingly baseless accusation to discredit her?

Hmm, in this case the "anti-semitism" seemed to be in one place:


"Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the army to protect America, not Israel."


It reads to me like she was criticizing the Republicans for having policies that she perceived as favoring foreigners over Americans. I didn't see any mention of anything related to anyone being jewish.


So my question is, if you replaced "Israel" with "China" in her quote, would she then be accused of prejudice agains asians?


Does this woman have a track record of expressing anti-jewish sentiments? If not, then why not take her at face value and assume she's simply criticizing her government for sending our soldiers to war to benefit a foreign government?


You can disagree with her assertion that we're fighting for Israel's benefit rather than our own, but calling her "anti-semitic" seems to be a stretch.


Or, since this seems to be a right-wing website, are they just cynically using this seemingly baseless accusation to discredit her?

Hmm, in this case the "anti-semitism" seemed to be in one place:


"Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the army to protect America, not Israel."


It reads to me like she was criticizing the Republicans for having policies that she perceived as favoring foreigners over Americans. I didn't see any mention of anything related to anyone being jewish.


So my question is, if you replaced "Israel" with "China" in her quote, would she then be accused of prejudice agains chinese people?


Does this woman have a track record of expressing anti-jewish sentiments? If not, then why not take her at face value and assume she's simply criticizing her government for sending our soldiers to war to benefit a foreign government?


You can disagree with her assertion that we're fighting for Israel's benefit rather than our own, but calling her "anti-semitic" seems to be a stretch.


Or, since this seems to be a right-wing website, are they just cynically using this seemingly baseless accusation to discredit her?

Yikes, sorry for multiple posts, don't know what happened...

Coming from the left, Neocon is distinct slur meaning 'Jew.'
In a bad way.
Which is why its a slur.

Think its time for that afternoon coffee.

Does this woman have a track record of expressing anti-jewish sentiments? If not, then why not take her at face value and assume she's simply criticizing her government for sending our soldiers to war to benefit a foreign government?

Why doesn't she explain that herself instead of lying about what she said. Even she knew it was antisemitic in its content.

Uh, who sez "Neocon" means "Jew"? In my book, "Neocon" means a new breed of Republican ("neocon" = "new conservative") different from the Goldwater sort. I've never heard "Neocon=Jew" anywhere else.


I don't know why she would back up and try to hide her words. One reason would be that she really is anti-jewish. Another is that she thinks that anyone criticizing Israel is seen as anti-jewish, and didn't want to appear that way.


I don't think anyone has come up with any other evidence of prejudice on her part, so I would tend to go with the second explanation.


I've read about prejudice against jews coming from all areas of the political spectrum, so I think the Republicans are throwing stones out of their glass house on this one. I think we have some pretty obnoxious quotes from Nixon among other prominent conservatives.

The word neocon was invented by ....well, the neocons themselves. However, as Lauraw amply demonstrates - they want to protect that group from criticism by saying anyone from the Left or the Buchanan Right that brings up the role of neocons in a critical way intends on using the name as a proxy slur for Jews.

But until recently, the neocon think tanks like AEI touted themselves as the dominant voice in Republican foreign policy and took credit for being the people most responsible for influencing America to go to war against Iraq to better safeguard American and Israel. The reason everyone knows about the neocon "Clean Break" Plan they drafted for Israel's Likud Gov't and the agenda of the PNAC is that the neocons were proud of it and published those documents on their own websites.

Before things went sour in Iraq.

Now, the predictable defense is anyone that uses neocon negatively or discusses their past self-promoted role in starting a conflict in Iraq in a negative manner - like Cindy Sheehan and millions of others - is automatically branded an "anti-Semite".

"Anti-Semite" used to be a much more powerful accusation, capable of ending careers in Gov't, politics, and the media. But it became overused as a tool to quash any criticism of one foreign country or it's fervid supporters here. Same with the canard that anyone who didn't love Zionism and it's oppression of local inhabitants in Palestine was in league with Hitler. Way overused.

And the power of the "anti-Semite" charge for Israel backers here to bully politicians into 100% support of Israel - or be ruined - has diminished with perceptions of Israeli arrogance, the spy scandals, them being caught repeatedly selling America's most significant military secrets - F-16 avionics and airframe construction methods, the Patriot missile radar & fire control system, sidewinder missile, cruise missile technology to China.

Cindy Sheehan is a messed up lady. But what she is saying about the power of the neocons and Iraq really being significantly about serving Israel's interests is a conviction shared by 80-100 million Americans on the Left and the Right. Quite a lot of people for conservatives who believe in Zionism or feel tolerating any criticism of a foreign country, Israel, would make them unpatriotic Americans - to brand as "anti-Semites".

Just so we are all on the same page, China and the Muslims see how effective the Israel lobby has been in stifling debate on Israel's negatives through use of the Race and Bigotry Cards. That is why China, like Japan in the 30s, has taken to calling any opposition to their rise and military buildup by America as "anti-yellow" racism. And the Muslims have made direct ripoffs from Jewish hit groups like AIPAC and ADL and ACLU in declaring any criticism of Muslim nations or aspects of Islam as bigotry through their increasingly effective stifling arms of CAIR, Council on American Islamic Relations, and Islamic Legal Defense Network. Like the zealot Jews before them policing and intimidating American political thought, the Islamoids have bagged the heads of talk show hosts canned for criticizing Islam as trophies, and forced Hollywood, TV to alter content to never show Muslims as the ultimate villains like the Zionists did with content always depicting Israel as pure and infallible and America's wiser guide. Islamic legal defense groups have achieved great victories in America, like pro-Israel Jews before them, through the use of the lawsuit as a means of intimidation, forced "inclusion" of Muslim culture, and getting apologies from people that offend Islamic sensitivities.

Hmm, I see what you folks mean about Mr. Cedarford. However, he makes a couple good points. I think the "anti-semitic" label has been used as a political weapon.


But geez, Mr. Cedarford, the ACLU has defended the Nazis, fer cryin' out loud... why would anyone think it's a jewish organization???

Tip of the iceberg ahumbleanon.

You should see him when he's relaxed.

Jeez that's a lousy comparison, C-f*ck. And what's more, don't play dumb about that "neocon= Jew" crap. You know it as well as I do and to deny it just makes you look like a liar as well as a bigot, which is a bad, bad combination.

Whipping out the "War for Israel" screed is Jew-baiting plain and simple. No one ever tells you exactly what that means. How exactly is our war for Israel, or in their proxy? Can you tell us how this is supposed to have worked?

If you can, you won't because you know most people who look at the worst-case scenario, a throw-down between the Arab savages and the nuked up Israelis, is a horrible idea for the entire world. So this invented war you bigots have created out of whole cloth would probably get more support than our current adventure.

The moonbats have long leaned on the neo-cons because they can fill their ranks and fatten their coffers with donations from bigots all over the spectrum. Sheehan's just repeating what manipulators have known for thousands of years: People will line up behind anybody who really really hates a Jew.

Hmm, I see what you folks mean about Mr. Cedarford. However, he makes a couple good points. I think the "anti-semitic" label has been used as a political weapon.

But there you have it. You wonder aloud why the Right cries antisemitism so quickly, but faced with a jew-baiting nutbag you say, "well, that is too much...but he has a point elsewhere." Would you try to pick kernals of truth out of a screed about coons and watermelon, or would distance yourself as much as possible?

Somebody handed you a shit sandwich, and you're trying to pick out the lettuce. We have to assume you're not all that bothered about the shit.

I dunno, Mr/Ms spongeworthy. I've never heard "neocon=jew" before. But I'm really not up on the nuances of the "antisemitism" debate.

Ans speaking of manipulators -- the right-wing christians I've read about only support Israel because of their weird fascination with Armageddon, and the jews ruling Israel is part of the recipe. When Jesus reappears the jews will all be cast down in the lake of fire along with the rest of us unbelievers. You call that support? I call it creepy.

In your last paragraph you seem to imply that liberals are in cahoots with neocons, which is incomprehensible to me.

S. Weasel, exactly. One of the more tiresome characteristics of Cedarford's schtick is his insistence that "there simply can be no criticism of Israel ever". What bullshit.

Somebody handed you a shit sandwich, and you're trying to pick out the lettuce.

Mr. Weasel,
You use your mouth purtier'n a twenty dollar whore.

Froggy loves Daddy?

Ribbit. Ribbit

uh, that was me

Life is not black and white, S. Weasel. If a raving bigot told you that his particular brand of hatred has determined the world is round, would you denounce his every word and deem the world flat? Can a raving bigot never say anything that's true? Do you not trust anyone to filter out the shit from what people say? Are you the one true interpreter of what's right and wrong?

I pick kernels of truth out wherever I can find them. You would do well to do the same.

And spare me the pompous crap about "the Right" crying antisemitism. "The Right" has a long and rich history of antisemitism itself.

And spare me the pompous crap about "the Right" crying antisemitism. "The Right" has a long and rich history of antisemitism itself.

Indeed. It wasn't meant to be bragging, just an observation on the current state of play.

"The Right" has a long and rich history of antisemitism itself.

The times, they are a-changin'.

And once upon a time, Democrats were fearsome commie-hunters.

Ahumbleanon - But geez, Mr. Cedarford, the ACLU has defended the Nazis, fer cryin' out loud... why would anyone think it's a jewish organization???

It is an organization that has had a Jewish Executive Director for the last 50 years or so. It keeps it's membership lists secret, but admitted that Skokie cost them almost 1/3rd of their Jewish membership and half their private money donations. They defended the Nazis because being pure to liberal ideology matters and the occasional defense of a Nazi or Muslim makes good PR sense - makes the ACLU look more open minded". Sort of like when Republicans express concern for black Africans with AIDs. The ACLU is one of several groups largely funded and led by Jews to promote a progressive agenda. The most famous on in the past was, of course, the Communist Party.

Dave in Texas - Name a prominent person in America that has said something critical about Israel and the Israel Lobby and escaped being slurred as an "anti-Semite" by someboby. It's reflexive Zionism - embrace Israel's friends, attack all it's foes or sceptics (the non-Jewish ones) as anti-Semites.

Weasel and Lauraw - I believe life just handed you the shit sandwhich as Israel lacks the power and support and people to keep it's conquests.

Bon appetit!

That's just your appetizer.

For Seder, your epicurian stack of excrement will be humongous when the West Bank begins it's evacuation of colonists in ernest.

I said it before and I'll say it again:

Cedardouche just hated Terri because her maiden name was Schindler.

The times are not a-changin' that much. The Republican party has always been the most comfortable home of various neo-nazi and hateful bigoted types. David Duke, Tim McVeigh, etc., etc. Appealing to the bigoted white male has been a basic Republican strategy ever since Kevin Phillips came up with the Southern Strategy. So don't hurt yourself patting yourself on the back.

That's right, humble. That's why the current 'conscience' of our party is a former recruiter for the Klu Klux Klan who has consistently lied about the length and extent of his involvement in same, and once wrote that he would never fight "with a Negro by my side. Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds."

What? Robert Byrd's a Democrat?

"When Jesus reappears the jews will all be cast down in the lake of fire along with the rest of us unbelievers. You call that support? I call it creepy."

Sorry but we have to add eschatology to the list of things you know nothing about. The list, by the way, is quite impressive in its length.

Weasel, would that be the same Senator Robert Byrd who once wrote "The Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia" and "in every state in the Union."

Or the same Byrd that filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and voted against Thurgood Marshall and Clarence Thomas?

A few years ago, a guy named Robert Byrd also said "There are white niggers. I've seen a lot of white niggers in my time. I'm going to use that word. We just need to work together to make our country a better country, and I'd just as soon quit talking about it so much."

That guy?

Hoo boy. Off into the weeds we go. Yes, Weasel, Byrd stayed in the Democratic party for some reason instead of fleeing to the Republican party like all the other racists (like Strom Thurmond). Is that the best you can do? There should be a Godwin's Law for this tactic -- dragging out Robert Byrd when the obvious racism of the Republican party is pointed out.

And BrewFan, I see you're using the tactic of affecting a lofty superiority to those you disagree with. Clever, for a high school student.

I'm out of here, y'all.

Before your departure, humble, consider this:

The Congressional Quarterly of June 26, 1964 (p. 1323) recorded that, in the Senate, only 69% of Democrats (46 for, 21 against) voted for the Civil Rights Act as compared to 82% of Republicans (27 for, 6 against). All southern Democratic senators voted against the Act.

In the House of Representatives, 61% of Democrats (152 for, 96 against) voted for the Civil Rights Act; 92 of the 103 southern Democrats voted against it. Among Republicans, 80% (138 for, 34 against) voted for it.

It seems you've allowed your anti-Republicanism to get in the way of your ability to look at the facts of history.

Why is it whenever you point out an obvious, festering example of Democratic hypocrisy, the answer is always, "yes, yes. That old thing. Can't you come up with anything new or better?" Yoohoo! Until you guys deal with stuff somehow (like kicking the vilest out of your party), you get to wear them around your necks. It doesn't get to be "that old thing" until it's over. Which, apparently, won't be for Byrd until he keels over, because the party sure hasn't shown a willingness to handle it.

Cheer up, though. He's pretty elderly.

Is that the best you can do? There should be a Godwin's Law for this tactic -- dragging out Robert Byrd when the obvious racism of the Republican party is pointed out.

If you'd like, we can start pointing out other examples of Democratic racists.

Let's see here...George Wallace? Democrat.

Bull Connor? Also a Democrat.

And let's not forget Jesse "Hymietown" Jackson while we're at it.

Is that the best you can do? There should be a Godwin's Law for this tactic -- dragging out Robert Byrd when the obvious racism of the Republican party is pointed out.

If you'd like, we can start pointing out other examples of Democratic racists.

Let's see here...George Wallace? Democrat.

Bull Connor? Also a Democrat.

And let's not forget Jesse "H-town" Jackson while we're at it.

"And BrewFan, I see you're using the tactic of affecting a lofty superiority to those you disagree with"

Ok. How about this: you don't know what you're talking about asshat so STFU. Better?

Sorry for the double post. Tried to amend the comment so it didn't, uh, include the actual slur Jackson used.

Cedarford, Where to start...

I suggest starting Cederford out on the ArmaGlide™ then go from there.