| Intermarkets' Privacy Policy Support
Donate to Ace of Spades HQ! Contact
Ace:aceofspadeshq at gee mail.com Buck: buck.throckmorton at protonmail.com CBD: cbd at cutjibnewsletter.com joe mannix: mannix2024 at proton.me MisHum: petmorons at gee mail.com J.J. Sefton: sefton at cutjibnewsletter.com Recent Entries
Gun Thread: Final June Edition!
Food Thread: Don't Rib Me About My Failed Garlic Adventure! First World Problems... The DSA Isn't Democratic, And They Aren't Of America! Sunday Morning Book Thread - 6-28-2026 ["Perfessor" Squirrel] Daily Tech News 28 June 2026 Saturday Night Club ONT - June 27, 2026 [D&D] Music Thread: Quotations Are The Last Refuge Of The Scoundrel Hobby Thread - June 27, 2026 [TRex] Ace of Spades Pet Thread, June 27 Absent Friends
Captain Whitebread 2026
Jon Ekdahl 2026 Jay Guevara 2025 Jim Sunk New Dawn 2025 Jewells45 2025 Bandersnatch 2024 GnuBreed 2024 Captain Hate 2023 moon_over_vermont 2023 westminsterdogshow 2023 Ann Wilson(Empire1) 2022 Dave In Texas 2022 Jesse in D.C. 2022 OregonMuse 2022 redc1c4 2021 Tami 2021 Chavez the Hugo 2020 Ibguy 2020 Rickl 2019 Joffen 2014 AoSHQ Writers Group
A site for members of the Horde to post their stories seeking beta readers, editing help, brainstorming, and story ideas. Also to share links to potential publishing outlets, writing help sites, and videos posting tips to get published.
Contact OrangeEnt for info:
maildrop62 at proton dot me Cutting The Cord And Email Security
Moron Meet-Ups
Texas MoMe 2026: 10/16/2026-10/17/2026 Corsicana,TX Contact Ben Had for info |
« Uccchhhh |
Main
| Steven Bochco's Over There: He Supports Our Dead-Ender, Defeatist, Sub-Moronic Psychopathic Troops »
July 28, 2005
Battered By Plame Investigation, Bush Forced To Push Through Laws He Favors, Celebrate SuccessesNot that I expect liberals to listen, but I will repeat: This is exactly how Republicans fell out of favor in the late nineties. Our "politics" became obsessive about bringing a few odious personalities before the bar of justice and we neglected real policy questions. It's odd. The public, I'd guess, doesn't really know if CAFTA is a good or bad agreement, while they do have gut-level opinions about the Plame matter. Just the same they had gut-level opinions about Clinton but probably weren't certain that bombing Serbia was in America's best interest. So you might expect them to be more animated about the stuff they understand (because, heck, it's simple) and care less about the stuff they don't know enough about to form a strong opinion. But I don't think they do. While they might know more about Rove and Clinton than CAFTA and Serbia, they also know that CAFTA and Serbia are more important, and they don't trust politicians who seem dedicated to pursuing trivial personal paybacks. The fact that CAFTA and Serbia are complex matters doesn't mean they don't appreciate politicians "doing something about" those issues, right or wrong; indeed, the whole point of democracy is to vote people into office to work on issues that are too difficult for the average guy, holding a full time job, to fully research and form a coherent opinion on. Another one of Clinton's lessons the raging reactionaries on the left have forgotten. posted by Ace at 01:35 PM
CommentsBut by the same token, it's difficult, if not impossible, to use those important, nebulous and often boring topics as leverage to swing your party back into power. They follow the path of less resistance. Posted by: Knemon on July 28, 2005 01:52 PM
This is exactly how Republicans fell out of favor in the late nineties. Ummm... Didn't the Repubs come to control both the Congress and the WH immediately after this purported fall from favor? I'm not sure that your example actually argues against the Dems following the same failed strategy. Posted by: vonKreedon on July 28, 2005 02:02 PM
"Our "politics" became obsessive about bringing a few odious personalities before the bar of justice and we neglected real policy questions." What's fascinating to me is that the Democrats seem completely incapable of seeing any resemblance between themselves today and 1990s Republicans. Bring up the similarities, and they'll sputter angrily, "That was completely different... Halliburton!!! Abu Ghraib!!! PLASTIC TURKEY!!!!" Never realizing that the above one-word condemnations not only are not slam-dunks that will make people say "Why yes! Now I'm convinced! We must impeach Bushitler!", they actually make the average voter scratch her head and say "The Halli-what, now?" Just as sputtering "Rose Law Firm! Whitewater! SOCKS THE CAT PAYOLA!!!!" didn't convince many of the unconverted. And I'm just talking *tactics*, by the way. Even assuming (for the sake of argument) the entirety of the Democratic Chimpy McHitlerburton worldview as true, the problem is, consistently harping on it just plain isn't working. The average voter doesn't believe in this worldview, and increasing the volume and stridency of the shrieking doesn't help much. Posted by: David C on July 28, 2005 02:03 PM
Didn't the Repubs come to control both the Congress and the WH immediately after this purported fall from favor? I'm not sure that your example actually argues against the Dems following the same failed strategy. Bush didn't pursue this failed strategy. You couldn't get him to comment on Clinton. Posted by: ace on July 28, 2005 02:04 PM
For a few months now, I've tried to figure out whether The Note is conservative or liberal leaning. I don't think today's post from The Note is from a trio of frustrated liberal reporters, Ace. While I think they attempt to be unbiased, more often than not, the writers direct their sarcasm- and disdain- at liberals, IMO, simply because they disagree strongly with them, not out of frustration. Posted by: ChrisG on July 28, 2005 02:07 PM
CAFTA and Serbia are complex matters The whole Balkan fiasco was Islam against Christianity. After a hundred years of Moslem trouble, the Christians finally killed or expelled 90% of the Moslem Menace from their lands. Bill Clinton, needing something to divert attention away from the gathering story that he'd sold nuclear secrets to the Chicoms, decided it was time to stop this "ethnic cleansing" and started our involvement there. He put back the Moslems and both have been in a state of permanent siege ever since, and someday it will blow wide open again. And perhaps the next time it'll be the Moslems who win. Posted by: 72 Moslems on July 28, 2005 02:07 PM
Ummm... Didn't the Repubs come to control both the Congress and the WH immediately after this purported fall from favor? Apparently you missed the meetings, vonK. Republicans are still out of favor. They only came to control both the Congress and the White House only by controlling their buddies (via a powerful cabal of Rove, Zionist Joos and Freemasons) on the Supreme Court to steal the election from the Dems. Posted by: Rocketeer on July 28, 2005 02:15 PM
72 Titos, uh-uh-uh-uh-UH-uh. Milosevic was a nasty little "national communist," Saddam on a budget. We intervened in an idiotic way, but the KLA was about as "Moslem Menace"-y as the Washington Generals. Posted by: Knemon on July 28, 2005 02:21 PM
Yeah, there's a lot going on in the Balkans, but not much of it is religion-based (at least not pre-9/11, and I'm not sure how different it is now.) P.J. O'Rourke had a good line on the ex-Yugoslavia wars, something like "It's a fight between the Croats, who don't go to Sunday Mass, versus the Serbs, who don't go to Orthodox services, versus the Bosnians, who don't go to the mosque." Posted by: David C on July 28, 2005 03:25 PM
Even now I get so steamed that Bill Clinton's intervention there was brought on by the fact that the WSJ had almost caught up with him over the Chicom scandal, that the details elude me. However, I do remember that 90% of the Moslems had been killed or expelled, and if we had not intervened the other 10% would be gone and there'd be relative peace there now. Sometimes the world should stand by and let war happen if it is the only way to settle endless grievences that have gone for decades or centuries. Sometimes it is best for all concerned (especially us) if we: just give war a chance. PS - His "accidental" bombing of the Chinese embassy there to confuse the world about his involvement with the Chicoms was as dirty, low down, and cynical a trick as I've ever seen. And the fact that it all worked still gets me steamed! Posted by: 72 MANIACS on July 28, 2005 04:50 PM
Here's one piece of geopolitical brilliance the Clinton Administration did pull off during the Balkan cluster-fox: rather than denouncing the UN arms embargo and using their superior diplomatic skills to get it repealed -- or starting a "covert" US program to arm the Bosnians, they instead let the Iranians run the guns into Bosnia -- along with Revolutionary Guardsmen to organize and recruit jihadis. BTW 72 Whatevers, Clinton wasn't picking the individual targets in Belgrade ala LBJ. Posted by: Simon Oliver Lockwood on July 28, 2005 07:54 PM
The Serbians never got anywhere near to 90% of Muslims "cleansed" from either Bosnia or Kosovo. I'm not saying the Muslims were 100% blameless, but the Serbs (and if any Serb apologists are around, have away) were way outta line. Posted by: Knemon on July 28, 2005 08:00 PM
Post a comment
| The Deplorable Gourmet A Horde-sourced Cookbook [All profits go to charity] Top Headlines
An Update about Grammie Winger:
She is doing poorly...she is in the hospital and is having a tough go of it. She would love to hear from you folks, so anyone who would like to contact her is welcome to her address! Please contact Bluebell at moroncookbook@gmail.com for her contact info. (I expect her local post office to be furious with us!) [CBD]
Trump will present the trophy for the World Cup, and lunatic cultists will not be happy
pRiDe Month's shameful record so far
Department of Energy Announces American Nuclear Supply Chain Loans
$17.5B is a good start. Now add two zeroes to that number! [CBD]
It's finally legal for kids to play pinball in South Carolina
It is the end times! [CBD] Paul Sperry
Deport...Deport...Deport The F***ing Lot! A new UK anthem? [Hat Tip: S.E.] [CBD]
Trump: Ukraine War 'Thousands of Miles Away' is 'Nothing to Do' with America Russia isn't threatening to kill Americans! [CBD]
Update to Gavin Newsom Under Investigation story: This investigation was begun under Senor Dementia:
Adam Housley
Teen Driver Tayvin Galanakis Wins Jury Trial Against Officers Who Charged Him With DUI Even After He Blew 0.0 on A Breathalyzer And Passed Sobriety Tests. One Officer Accounted For 72% of All DUI Arrests For That PD [dri]
Recent Comments
Orson:
"ooops...meant CBD...don't even want to know why sp ..."
Orson: "I am the Garlic Guru (which explains buying Altoid ..." Anti-anti-Zionist: "A Clifford D Simak story, How To, done by the grea ..." Ben Had: "Dang, missed the food thread. I could go for a ..." Commie Rat Bastard Democratic Socialists of America: ""My favorite wines are Reisling and Burgundy." ..." CharlieBrown'sDildo: "It can be martini time. Brb. [I] Posted by: R ..." Just the Punchline: "> When the bowels need moving. Posted by: Eromero ..." RedMindBlueState[/i][/b][/s][/u]: "[i]I drink gin and vermouth just like....uh... me. ..." The Grateful - Acta Non Verba: "My favorite wines are Reisling and Burgundy. Post ..." mindful webworker - with onions: "When you can't choose from among delicious junk fo ..." Mr Aspirin Factory: "I would assume olive oil would clear the pipes. ..." naturalfake : "Ugh. Our flight was delayed five hours. Connect ..." Bloggers in Arms
RI Red's Blog! Behind The Black CutJibNewsletter The Pipeline Second City Cop Talk Of The Town with Steve Noxon Belmont Club Chicago Boyz Cold Fury Da Goddess Daily Pundit Dawn Eden Day by Day (Cartoon) EduWonk Enter Stage Right The Epoch Times Grim's Hall Victor Davis Hanson Hugh Hewitt IMAO Instapundit JihadWatch Kausfiles Lileks/The Bleat Memeorandum (Metablog) Outside the Beltway Patterico's Pontifications The People's Cube Powerline RedState Reliapundit Viking Pundit WizBang Some Humorous Asides
Kaboom!
Thanksgivingmanship: How to Deal With Your Spoiled Stupid Leftist Adultbrat Relatives Who Have Spent Three Months Reading Slate and Vox Learning How to Deal With You You're Fired! Donald Trump Grills the 2004 Democrat Candidates and Operatives on Their Election Loss Bizarrely I had a perfect Donald Trump voice going in 2004 and then literally never used it again, even when he was running for president. A Eulogy In Advance for Former Lincoln Project Associate and Noted Twitter Pestilence Tom Nichols Special Guest Blogger Rich "Psycho" Giamboni: If You Touch My Sandwich One More Time, I Will Fvcking Kill You Special Guest Blogger Rich "Psycho" Giamboni: I Must Eat Jim Acosta Special Guest Blogger Tom Friedman: We Need to Talk About What My Egyptian Cab Driver Told Me About Globalization Shortly Before He Began to Murder Me Special Guest Blogger Bernard Henri-Levy: I rise in defense of my very good friend Dominique Strauss-Kahn Note: Later events actually proved Dominique Strauss-Kahn completely innocent. The piece is still funny though -- if you pretend, for five minutes, that he was guilty. The Ace of Spades HQ Sex-for-Money Skankathon A D&D Guide to the Democratic Candidates Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility The Dowd-O-Matic! The Donkey ("The Raven" parody) Archives
|