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July 25, 2005

Australian MP Urges Deportation of Terrorists, Even If Citizens

Would annul grant of citizenship, arguing it was obtained through fraud.

Sounds good to me. Not sure it would fly here where the Constitution is inviolable (except where liberal judges decide it isn't).

AllahPundit's Legal Brief: Citizenship isn't inviolable, Allah says:

Check Title 8 of the U.S. Code. There are grounds in there for denaturalizing U.S. citizens that have withstood constitutional scrutiny. E.g., one statute in there empowers the DOJ to strip Nazi war criminals of their citizenship and deport them to their country of origin.

Hmmm... I wonder if that's based on nondisclosure of past crimes and associations, though. It might be harder to deport someone who wasn't clearly a member of a terrorist group before applying for citizenship.

Damnit! Muliple instances loose shit in the same post. The "Liberal Party" in Australia is the conservative party (Labor are the lefties). So that blows my whole liberals-are-coming-around sentence.

I could use multiple layers of painstaking fact checking myself. About eight or nine layers should do the trick, working 'round the clock to keep these embarrassing gaffes off this dumb blog.


posted by Ace at 10:24 PM
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Liberal = Conservative in Australia. The major leftist party is Labor. John Howard is a member of the Liberal party.

Posted by: DJ on July 25, 2005 10:28 PM

Check Title 8 of the U.S. Code. There are grounds in there for denaturalizing U.S. citizens that have withstood constitutional scrutiny. E.g., one statute in there empowers the DOJ to strip Nazi war criminals of their citizenship and deport them to their country of origin.

Posted by: Allah on July 25, 2005 10:32 PM

one statute in there empowers the DOJ to strip Nazi war criminals of their citizenship and deport them to their country of origin

It's been used ">too.


Posted by: Dave in Texas on July 25, 2005 11:37 PM

I could use multiple layers of painstaking fact checking myself. About eight or nine layers should do the trick, working 'round the clock to keep these embarrassing gaffes off this dumb blog.

Hey, at least you owned up to it right away, without hemming and hawing for a few weeks about some editor sticking it in there while you weren't looking.

Posted by: Sean M. on July 25, 2005 11:39 PM

sorry about the loose shit

Posted by: Dave in Texas on July 25, 2005 11:41 PM

It's not a "dumb blog". It's a "stupid moronblog". Please, Ace, your fans are counting on you to get your catch phrases right.

Except for "yeahp". You can feel free to switch that to the correct "yep" anytime you want.

Posted by: Bob on July 25, 2005 11:48 PM

It's used all the time. I just read the other week where they stripped someone of citizenship in Wisconsin and deported or are in the process of deporting them back to the Fatherland.

Posted by: on July 26, 2005 01:01 AM

Oh, man, there are nazis all over wisconsin. But, ace's dumbass spam blocker won't let me link.

www.js$nline.com/news/racine/may05/325408.asp

substitute an o for the dollar sign.

Posted by: on July 26, 2005 01:14 AM

Check your passport, Ace. You'll see a warning that anyone is liable to lose citizenship, at least in principle.

Circumstances leading to naturalized citizens losing their citizenship are largely set by Congress.

Posted by: pigilito on July 26, 2005 07:02 AM

DAMMIT!!! What don't you know about phonics?

DAMNATION works correctly. DAMNIT just doesn't.

You've been warned, mister! The DAMMIT police are onto you.

:o)

Posted by: JoA on July 26, 2005 07:16 AM

pigilito, I never noticed that in my passport before. Looks mostly like it would be invoked if I renounced US citizenship or sought to be naturalized in another country.

I note that losing my citizenship does not necessarily relieve me of my US tax liabilities.

Posted by: Dave in Texas on July 26, 2005 08:51 AM

Citizenship isn't inviolable, nor should it be. We have deported undesireables in the past. We have deported mafiosi in the past. Woodrow Wilson executed, jailed and deported Communists during his term of office and solved the growing problem of the Red Menace here for a good long time. Among the Moslems in this country are a great deal of terrorist symapthizers and supporters. Why not get rid of them?

Posted by: 72 VIRGINS on July 26, 2005 10:05 AM

Is there anything in the U.S. Constitution to forbid "exile" of a native-born American? I ask because we had a case like this in Canada several decades ago - homegrown FLQ terrorists struck a deal with the Canadian government where they went to Cuba and promised not to return to Canada. It sounds like what really happened was that Cuba agreed to grant them asylum, but the Canadian government called this "exile" from Canada, and I can't see why such a procedure couldn't be adopted by the U.S. Do native-born Americans have an *absolute* right to reside in the country. If I recall my English history and my Shakespeare, enemies of the Crown were often exiled - Richard II exiled Henry Bolingbroke, though it didn't work, because Henry eventually came back and took the crown away from Richard. Still, it was a remedy kings were willing to resort to in the past - what is its status today in a democracy? Is it expressly forbidden, or is it just something that's never been tried?

Posted by: Wanda on July 26, 2005 12:01 PM

Now there's a threat. Much better than nuking mecca, and we can start right now, instead of retaliating.

Nothing I don't like about preemptive deportation, except for the cost, but what the Hell. I'd rather chip in for that than donate to a victims' fund.

We start sending people away by the thousands. I don't think we should wait for another tragedy. No blood. Just buh-bye, assholes.

Come back when you can contribute, instead of enjoying our freedoms while trying to destroy them.

Posted by: lauraw on July 26, 2005 12:02 PM

I wonder how many of you would have been willing to exile Tim McViegh after OK City. Oh thats right he was a right wing conservative terrorist and that makes it OK, right?

Posted by: jeff on July 26, 2005 01:09 PM

No, we just KILLED him. And I think its safe to say we woudnt deport known killers to other countries either.

Posted by: lauraw on July 26, 2005 01:24 PM

I'll bet Tim McVeigh would have been happy to take exile instead of what he got instead - execution.

Posted by: Wanda on July 26, 2005 01:26 PM

Good answer lauraw. How stupid can Liberals get? He was executed on June 11, 2001. I guess Liberals don't know that that because they were too busy cheering for 911.

Posted by: 72 Card Monte on July 26, 2005 01:32 PM

Somebody's nurse helped them post that 1:09 disgrace. Nobody that stupid can wipe their own ass or feed themselves, let alone type.

Posted by: spongeworthy on July 26, 2005 01:47 PM

I find it surprising, given their foaming opposition to capital punishment, that a moonbat doesn't know that McVeigh is dead BECAUSE WE KILLED HIM.

MURDERED BY THE STATE.
RIGHT WING FASCIST STATE-SANCTIONED TAKING OF LIFE.

But I digress.
Either he is really that ignorant, or so exquisitely nuanced that he actually thinks exile is worse than execution.
I bet he's just an idiot.

Posted by: lauraw on July 26, 2005 02:43 PM

I understand there are (former) Americans, born here to parents who are just as American, who casually renounced their citizenship in the 1960s and 1970s as a form of protest. They still don't have their citizenship back, though they have begged and pleaded. I understand this is one respect in which the Department of State is tough as nails: Renounce your citizenship and you will never get it back.

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