I feel that this is a bunch of horse hocky.

I also feel like punching this tool in the nose.

How's that for a teachable moment?

I fell like 10% more of a pussy than I was before I learned that this program existed.

Don't laugh at me theme here. (music plays auto) Have we found the new 'Hoist the Black Flag' intro?

I believe you, Peter Yarrow, are a goddamned sadist trying to get these poor kids murdered.

Huh. I would have guessed him as a goddamned sex offender trying to get some 14 year old's pussy.

Watch it... close to slander. Only the "guessed" saves it.

He was convicted of it though pardoned by Carter.

is that true?

Would, I, anon, lie? Of course it is. I tried to find a link but none of them were fact specific and tended to white wash it. He invited a 17 & 14 year old to his room. I believe they were outside his hotel. When he answered, he was naked. He put on some clothes but got naked again and did everything but penetrate the 14 year old.

Thanks, I did a quick search and confirmed it.

Had no idea.

Why the hell did they force me to listen to Puff the Magic Dragon as a child? Shouldn't there be a no-pedophile-songs rule as relates to kids?

Thanks, I did a quick search and confirmed it.

Oh, no! You really didn't trust me!

Had no idea.

Either had I until last summer. It's amazing he got away with it.

I wish I could find the link. What I read was more like a probation report in its details. The girls were fans, not groupies, and weren't willing participants.

According to his attorney it was the fault of the 14yr old girl.

Washington (UPI) - Peter Yarrow, a singer in the Peter, Paul and Mary folk trio, was sentenced to three months in jail yesterday for taking "indecent liberties" with a 14-year-old girl in a Washington hotel room.

"Im deeply sorry for what I've done," Yarrow said after sentencing in district court. "I've hurt myself deeply, my wife and the people who love me."

Yarrow's pregnant wife Mary Beth, a niece of Senator Eugene J. McCarthy (D-Minn.), sobbed when U.S, marshals led him away.

The 37-year-old folk singer pleaded guilty to the charge last March. He admitted making advances to the girl after she and her sister, 18, visited his hotel room in August, 1969.

Yarrow faced a maximum three-year sentence, but Judge Edward M. Curran suspended all but three months after hearing a 45 minute plea from defence attorney Edward Bennett Williams who said the sisters were "groupies" whom he defined as young women and girls who deliberately provoke sexual relationships with music stars.

Yarrow was the godfather to one of Kerry's daughters in 1973.

'Losing a leg might be "character building," but most would prefer to keep their current complement of limbs rather than gain some character....'

It seems in all such cases that the "character" that's "built" by adversity of some particular sort is just the ability to endure adversity of that particular sort. "Through losing a limb, I learned how to endure losing limbs!" Maybe some Democratic Senators think that way, but not anyone in his right mind!

Edward Bennett Williams is a liar

Wow, that's unbeareably bad. Next time I see them on a PBS pledge drive I'm calling to complain that they're promoting a pedo.

Just more proof that The Big Lebowski applies to everything in the universe.

The Dude: That prick can really roll, man.
Walter: Yeah, but he's a pervert, dude.
The Dude: Yeah.
Walter: No, he's a sex offender. With a record. He served 6 months in Chino for exposing himself to an eight year old.
The Dude: Oh.
Walter: When he moved to Hollywood he had to go door to door to tell everyone he was a pederast.
Donny: What's a...pederast, Walter?
Walter: Shut the fuck up, Donny.

So I guess Yarrow and Quintana have that much in common.

Why in the hell did Carter pardon him?

Jimmy had a similar lust in his heart, but he never impaled.

Has anyone here besides me heard the country version of this song?

Playing that in Texas is probably grounds for a spontaneous re-enactment of Deliverance.

Of course, pretty much anything in Texas is grounds for a spontaneous re-enactment of Deliverance.

" "I've hurt **myself** deeply" myself?!?!?!?!??!? "and oh yeah, the wife and, like, whoever..."

Nothing about the objects of his perversion because it was their fault!!?!?!?!?!?
Narcissistic tool. broken tool ...ok, ok, - I'll calm down, now.

This one oughta be gelded -- literally

". . .Yarrow—a veteran of the civil-rights, gender-equality, nucleardisarmament, peace, and Amtrak-subsidization movements. . ."

It bothers me to think that whoever wrote that did it with a straight face and meant it as praise.

. . . AMTRAK?

Tin Grin: Got the hell over what?

got the hell over being called "Tin Grin" for 5 years.

as in: "A little girl who never smiles ’cause I’ve got braces on my teeth"

I had no idea. I know this is "old," as Dave says...

Geez, Ace, it's from 1970. I think you can go ahead and call it old without the quotes. But old is OK. You really need to stop worrying about what Dave from Garfield Ridge will think already. Who's he, anyway? He's no Ace of Spades, I'll tell you that.

I hadn't heard of this charge before. Yuck. And he doesn't seem to even offer up the old "I thought she was older" excuse. Creepy.

You might have remembered this from the Kerry campaign:

As reported by the Washington Post's Ceci Connolly, "Kerry lifted his fingers to his mouth for a quick toke on an imaginary joint. You can almost see his thick mane of silver hair returning to the shaggy brown 'do of those days."

This was while Yarrow was playing "Puff the Magic Dragon" at a campaign stop (I believe he travelled with Kerry for a while).

It bothers me to think that whoever wrote that did it with a straight face and meant it as praise.

I don't know. I got the impression the writer thought the whole thing was ass.

She begins by comparing Britain's new initiative to shame misbehaving teens -- having them wear orange prison jumpsuits at school -- to NYC's embrace of this touchy-feely crap, and calls London "Sparta" and NYC "Athens," and I don't think she meant the good kind of Athens.

The funny thing about Kerry listening to Peter Yarrow playing "Puff the Magic Dragon" is that after all the years of P, P & M denying it was about marijuana, Kerry's first instinct when hearing it is to pretend to smoke a joint.

I guess that makes Kerry smarter than Snopes, who not only believe P, P & M (because, gosh, they said it wasn't about pot) but also believe "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" had nothing to do with LSD because, gosh, John Lennon said so. (People complain that they sometimes have a leftist tilt, but I'm more offended by their music celebrity tilt.)

Phew! I thought you meant getting over being molested by Peter Yarrow! Anyway, I bet you were cute as a button in braces. :-)

Speaking of NYC's embrace of the touchy-feely crap, the one thing I could not stand about living in NYC was this expectation of kissing people on the cheek like we were fucking french. Bleh! Made me panic each and every time.

You guys don't still do that, do you?

Uh, Phew! was a message directed at Tin Grin.

Phew! I thought you meant getting over being molested by Peter Yarrow! Anyway, I bet you were cute as a button in braces. :-)

I doubt it. I'm thinking the Tin Grin charge was probably accurate. Maybe they were even a Brace Face. Or perhaps they had Tinfoil Teeth. It's possible that..hmmm, I seem to have forgotten most of my insults for people with braces. I guess I'm a few decades out of practice. ;-)

Seriously, getting made fun of sucks, especially when you're a kid. I certainly think they should try to reduce unnecessary teasing if possible.

They should also help the kid getting mocked try to let it roll off of them. I knew a lot of kids that had braces, and pretty much all of them got to the point very quickly where they'd just laugh off the jokes. I think today we often so reinforce that they are right to feel offended that such skills are lost, and it ends up being worse for the kids.

But child molester Peter Yarrow's warbly song is only going to get any kid who expresses any positive interest in it beaten half to death.

I certainly think they should try to reduce unnecessary teasing if possible.

...but of course they should try to increase necessary teasing.

Heh. I more meant reduce excessive teasing. I think small amounts of it should be mostly ignored because kids need to learn not to learn to cope with jerks.

Remember, kids: Don't post tired.

I think small amounts of [teasing] should be mostly ignored because kids need to learn not to learn to cope with jerks.

Let's try that again:

I think small amounts of teasing should be mostly ignored because kids need to learn to cope with jerks.

Shut up, Bob. I think kids in braces are cute. Growing up I didn't need braces, but never made fun of anyone who did.

Bob:

I wore braces from 4th to 11th grade. That's right, 7 fucking years. It did not take me long to learn to ignore the "brace-face" calls. I had to do this on my own, because my local school system (back in the 1974-1980 timeframe) was all about self-sufficiency. It was the Me decade, fer chrissakes!.

My life consisted of being the butt of jokes. Just before typing this I grabbed my senior year HS yearbook off the bookshelf and actually looked at what others had written. I dare say that if any modern school administrator saw the same comments there'd be a front page article in the local newsrag about the incivility of local youth.

What I learned is that teenagers are the most vicious group on the planet. Comply with the ruling clique's demands or be ostracised. I and many of my friends happily grabbed the ostraka from the ballot box. Doing so gave us peace through our voluntary removal from the catty female-driven (cheerleaders, to be specific) societal ladder. The truly ironic part is that while the cheerleaders never put out, those of us who were ostracised fucked like bunnies.

Seems I got the better of it after all.

While this list of Presidential Pardons admits that it isn't comprehensive by any stretch, it's the best that I could find with a simple Google search.

And--wouldn't you know it?!!-- Carter appears to be the only one on the list to have pardoned a sex offender!

Jimmah never fails to satisfy his Simpsons reputation as "history's greatest monster," does he?

Shut up, Bob. I think kids in braces are cute. Growing up I didn't need braces, but never made fun of anyone who did.

My anti-braces comments were jokes. (Only a braces lover would be dumb enough to not pick up on that.)

Captain Ned, I think you might have been a friend of mine. This poor guy had braces put on, then his parents got divorced, and then his mom didn't really have the money to have the braces adjusted or (apparently) taken off, so they just sat on his teeth for years and years. Finally sometime in high school they came off, and miraculously his teeth seemed to be OK.

My wife also had braces for a long time (I think also about seven years), but this was actually because apparently her teeth needed some major repositioning. The funny thing is her siblings all had braces, and they were all very bad about the rubber bands and retainers, and she swears she did all of that stuff perfectly. Despite that, her teeth didn't respond as quickly as theirs did, and the orthodontist never believed she was doing all the stuff and lectured her at each visit (but not her siblings).

My theory is that she was the first person ever to do all the stupid rubber band things she was told to do, and that it turns out it actually slows down the process, which no orthodonist knows due to everyone out there lying to them.

Well hell. I had braces for years and years and barring the few times someone said something about "railroad tracks" (which hurt about as much as... well it didn't hurt, actually) no one made fun of my braces. This might have been due to the fact that the number of kids with braces -- some of them with the awful headgear thing, remember that? -- outnumbered the kids without braces.

They didn't make fun of my glasses either that I can recall. I didn't like the braces -- because they hurt after getting adjusted every month, and food kept getting caugh in them -- but I was thrilled to get the glasses. I was sick of not being able to see anything further away than a foot from my face. And about a quarter of the student body had glasses; what were wannabe bullies going to do, form victims into an assembly line?

I'm curious... I didn't have braces as a young kid.

How does it hurt to be called "Brace Face" when half the kids have braces?

I'm just curious. I guess it's demeaning, sort of, and kids aren't rational and don't get the idea of "temporary"... but it's not like it really mars the appearance.

I don't know. I got the impression the writer thought the whole thing was ass.

I hope you're right, I just saw that it was the New Yorker. Maybe I'm too cynical.

I don't know what kind of environment the rest of you were raised in, but I can hardly remember anybody teasing anybody else during Jr. High or High School with taunts like "Brace Face" or "Tin Grin."

No, we all used terms like "motherfucker," or "dickbreath."

But, then again, those were simpler times...

The scandal is that Carter pardoned this guy.

If I was running the mainstream media, I would have a front page story every time the President pardoned somebody. You can't lose - either the pardoned guy is a heartwarming story of a wrongfully convicted person or guy who turned his life around, or it's a story about the President pardoning some politically connect statutory rapist, and, either way, you get a great story.

Now that would be speaking truth to power.

Unfortunately now that Ace has posted about King of the Hill, I can't help but compare all subsequent postings to a specific King of the Hill episode. This particular post reminds of the episode when Bobby was beaten up by bullies and Hank sent him to the Y for boxing lessons. The boxing classes were full so Bobby ended up in a women's self defense class and subsequent to that no bully picked on him again because he kick em all in the nuts. The funny thing is that the lesson of the show was not overcoming the bullies but that kicking below the belt just is not the right thing to do.

I never got my feelings hurt about braces, like ace said, half the kids in school had em.

I did however get hurt by braces, when I made the mistake of boxing in the eighth grade without a mouth guard (dumb ass me didn't think he could lay a glove on me).

The kids could have called me hamburger lips for a week.

Speaking of Peter Yarrow and musical child abuse: In the movie Airplane, when the singing nun serenades the sick little girl and nearly kills her by dislodging her IV drip, the horrible song she performs was written by Peter Yarrow. "River of Jordan," I think it's called.

Truly, the man has much to answer for. And even when I was eight years old, I knew damned well that "Puff, the Magic Dragon" was all about smoking pot.

What the hell is this pedophile doing anywhere near schoolkids?

I wonder if any of the proponents of this shit know it?

And why the f' does PBS inflict this no-talent douche-band's horrific music on us in "very special" concerts three f'n' times a year?

Whenever I see them I think of Geratol, PSA screenings and the AARP. I'm still amazed that they haven't grown up at all since the 60's and are still clinging to that old bullshit in some strange, sick, geriatric way. What a caricature of themselves they have become! They are tired, depressed and depressing. Norman Mailer said: "it is not given to the hipster to age gracefully," (and he should know) but no one else proves like it this worn out cliche from forty years ago.

Mary Travers should be arrested for inflicting cruel and unusual punishment upon the eyes of PBS watchers with her grotesque "aging Miss Piggy" looks. "Her fatness" resembles nothing so much as an underwater slug. What a PIG!

I'm brought up short by a question about nature. Given the great wickedness of sex with minors and the harm the crime does to its underage victims, who was it that came up with puberty's occurring at age 12? It's as if nature is in violation of basic standards of decency. Or is this another of those character-building exercises, in which we have to learn to wait six years, so we'll know how to--wait six years?

What the hell is this pedophile doing anywhere near schoolkids?

Yarrow is a liberal twit, no question there, but I'm willing to cut him a bit of slack here: (a) the girl was 14, not, say, 7 or 8, and (b) the defense attorney claims the girl and her 17 year old sister were groupies, i.e in the habit of offering sexual favors to famous music performers. There's enough gray area here that I would not jump to the conclusion that Yarrow is a 'pedophile.'

Answering the door naked, though, that's remarkably poor judgment.

Mary Travers, though, allegedly used to pass around nude photos of herself when she was in high school in NYC back in the early 50s. This is according to Ronald Radosh in his book Commies, which is his autobiographical account of growing up among the NY population of red diaper babies in the late 40s and early 50s.

"I'm brought up short by a question about nature. Given the great wickedness of sex with minors and the harm the crime does to its underage victims, who was it that came up with puberty's occurring at age 12? It's as if nature is in violation of basic standards of decency. Or is this another of those character-building exercises, in which we have to learn to wait six years, so we'll know how to--wait six years?"

No, this is our cultulre's "character building" exercise that educates its young extraordinarily slowly and leaves them still half-ignorant at 18, when the human animal is supposed to start looking for mates and being useful in his own right much earlier.

A teenager that wasn't ignorant, helpless, and essentially childlike in mentality would not be harmed by the activity that evolution calls for her to be partaking in. But a teenager that is ignorant, helpless, and essentially childlike in mentality is considered "normal" - if that ain't twisted, I don't know what is - and is going to react to that sort of thing as a child would.

Ken, do you think that 13 year old girls should be raising babies?

>>(a) the girl was 14, not, say, 7 or 8

Oh come on now, you think it's alright for a guy in his 40's to be trying to molest a 14 year old? You can bet if this guy were a Protestant preacher he'd still be picking up soap cakes in the prison shower room. No, because he's a peacenik his dope-induced pedo moment is forgiven like he was playing Hide-the-Cuban with an intern.

Here's a novel idea: how about teachers actually supervising kids in school to keep them from demeaning the uncool ones. I guess that would take away from their "planning time" (interpretation: checking out the latest at peterpaulandmary.com).

lauraw- I did not read Ken's comment to approve of baby-rearing at 13; rather to 'be useful in his own right much earlier', i.e. at 13.

And I agree with his sentiments on both counts.

We've infantalized children and young adults way past the point of actually being infants. Which is why I believe 20-24 year old women teachers can no longer recognize they do not live on the same plane as their 15-17 year old students.

Oh, I understand the point; the phenomenon of 'children' still living with their parents well into their 20's is amazing to me.

I could NOT WAIT to get away from home when I was 18.

But
"...still half-ignorant at 18, when the human animal is supposed to start looking for mates and being useful in his own right much earlier."

and:

"A teenager that wasn't ignorant, helpless, and essentially childlike in mentality would not be harmed by the activity that evolution calls for her to be partaking in."

Kind of gives me the willies.
Just because some people take brides practically the moment menses begins, doesn't mean their way is better.

Man, It was easy to get sympathy from Carter.

"Yarrow has described the incident as “the most terrible mistake I have ever made,” and in his petition for the presidential pardon, he said he hoped his children “will see a balanced picture, one that understands that their daddy did something very wrong but also one that asserts that their daddy has also done much for society to eliminate want and inequality where he saw it.”

Carter’s acceptance of that explanation helped Yarrow quite a bit, since many of the singer’s later activities involved children around the age of 14."

http://www.metnews.com/articles/affairs091902.htm

>>(a) the girl was 14, not, say, 7 or 8

Oh come on now, you think it's alright for a guy in his 40's to be trying to molest a 14 year old?

No, I'm saying that fondling a sexually mature 14-year old groupie is a different kind of crime than trying to diddle some little kid. The former crime, which is what Yarrow was found guity of, means that he is a sleazy douchebag. It does necessarily mean he is a pedophile. That's all I'm saying.

His legacy was the lame "Puff the Magic Dragon" and "If I Had A Hammer"(dumbest lyrics ever written....."I'd hammer all over town"?)ditties laughed at all over America and used lavishly at Gitmo to crack the harder types. The other amusing thing is how fast the birdbrains in education assign acronyms - "DLAM"(laughable when you say it) - immediately for their dribble.

When you are 60ish and "moved to tears" by a ballad(obviously composed by Wally the Whale's mom) that stupid, way stupider than "hammering all over town" you would think that normal adults, the principals in this case, would politely keep their composure until Yarrow made it to his car rather than endorse his affect disorder.

the left is all perverts, narcissists, and the odd "real" communist...

they all need mental health counseling... and not the "I'm OK, You're OK" crap.

These people need to be made to see the truth... whether they can handle it or not...

>>fondling a sexually mature 14-year old groupie is a different kind of crime than trying to diddle some little kid.

Hmm...nope, sorry. I don't buy this statement one bit. I believe in forgiveness, but forgiving the wolf by putting him back in the henhouse is just stupid.

If my daughter was in that school, I'd be doing some research on some private academies in the area.

Someone point Yarrow to Pearl Jam's "Jeremy." And there are others that are MUCH better than "Don't Laugh at Me."

I know Peter personally. Trust me: He is a bigger nut-job moron than you can possibly imagine. And I say that with all the respect you deserve, Peter.

I thought that article had to be a satire piece. I can't believe that any one would seriously think that sort of program would work.
Has to be a joke.

I had a additional comments but I seems to have offended the site censor.

P.S. You need to check your filter, had to edit this 5 times to qualify as acceptable content