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June 13, 2005

Vampires: Eurotrash Pussyboys [Ace]

You can either portray vampires as monstrous predators on humanity, and make the humans the interesting characters, in which case you've got a good film on your hands, like Fright Night or any of the Blade movies. (Yeah, I know, "the Daywalker" is a half-vampire or somethin'.)

Or you can make the vampires the angst-ridden anti-hero brooding romantics, in which case you're making a basically shitty movie that appeals to no one but Goth geeks.

Lilkes sucks the life out of the latter sort of vampires:

I hate vampires. They’re just mosquitoes with backstories. Oh, but they’re so romantic, being damned and all! Feh. Women like the Eastern European accents and brooding looks; if most vampires were pale gangly nerds who spoke in falsettos, “Interview With a Vampire” would be one page long, and consist of two questions: have you ever operated a deep fryer before, and can you start Monday? I can’t stand their annoying superiority – oh, you mere mortal, behold me, who is stronger and will live forever, barring any accidents involving photons or stakes. Superior? Well, if it’s a one-on-one match, I suppose, but have you guys ever accomplished anything besides striking poses in red velvet smoking jackets? You’re the worst sort of European: our most compelling advantage appears to be our ready access to antique furniture, over which we may artlessly sprawl in dank mansions. Hey, Fangboy: Ever invented anything? Tell you what: fifty of us against fifty of you. We’ll bring stuff humans have invented. You bring your teeth.

He trashes Underworld in the course of trashing Goth-y anti-hero vampire movies, which is too bad, because while Underworld definitely did play into that whole goofy template, it was still an okay movie.

He mentions a cliche in movies that always annoys me:

You will have some opponent who is physically threatening. And yet humans can go toe-to-toe with them (at the climactic fight), because the humans bother to do things like pick up automatic weapons and grenades, while the monsters continue relying on claws and teeth.

Makes sense for Aliens (they're just large insects with limited intelligence), but not vampires. One thing I like about the Blade series is that apparently Blade's vampiric-opponents have grokked to the whole "ranged weapon" thingee.

The same thing sort of happens in Matrix, with those stupid squid-ships. They're powerhouse war-machines, and they look cool grappling with you and using short-range lasers to carve through your hull, but apparently the super-genius computer running the Machine City never thought to add a couple of Vulcan cannons on to a tentacle or two, or maybe a Hellfire missile launcher.

Star Wars 3 annoyed me similarly with those dumb little robots that would cling to your ship and... explode? No. They would just carve up your wing with very low-powered laser-torches. Kinda dumb to build a weapon that takes six hours to disable even a tiny fighter.

Any monster needs a reason why it doesn't use advanced weaponry. Predator uses some advanced weaponry, and we know why he doesn't use other sorts (he has a code; he is, after all, a sportsman, and like sportsmen, you don't blow up your pray with grenade launchers). Or you're just an animal, like the Aliens. Or you're just stupid, like zombies.

But damnit, if a monster has brains, access to weaponry, and no code restricting it from using same, that monster/robot/squid-ship had better sport some ranged weaponry and stop with this "let me just see if I can get past the machinegun cannons and then hopefully get into hand to hand combat with my otherwise-outmatched opponents" nonsense.

Thanks to LauraW for the tip.

But the Vampire in Fright Night Didn't Use Weapons, Either: Well, sometimes "overconfidence" and "insufferable arrogance" is a (barely) good enough excuse. And let's face it, Chris Sarandon was up against the kid from Herman's Head and f'n' Roddy McDowell -- not the most imposing male figures one can imagine -- so one can understand he didn't really see the need to break out the Glocks to take care of them.

Still... one would think he'd have blocked out sunlight from the windows of his basement lair with something more substantial than black paint. Oh, well. Still a great climax, which works wonderfully the first time you see it. And I guess that's the test.


posted by Ace at 03:25 PM
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Can't believe he disparaged Underworld.
Those werewolves were so cool. Hate to say it, but they were cooler than the vampires in that movie.

Except for the crusty old freeze-dried one. He was a very cool vampire.

Posted by: lauraw on June 13, 2005 03:40 PM

Kate Beckinsdale's ass: so, so cool.

Posted by: on June 13, 2005 03:48 PM

I liked that blonde vampiress who clings to the ceiling.

Movies are good primarily for:

Showing amazing apartments you will probably never own.

Showing amazing office-spaces you will probably never be lucky enough to work in.

Showing amazing pieces-of-ass you will certainly never have.

Posted by: ace on June 13, 2005 03:51 PM

Underworld werewolves = bad CGI

Posted by: someone on June 13, 2005 04:00 PM

Shut your lyin' filthy hole

Posted by: lauraw on June 13, 2005 04:13 PM

Nuts to anybody that trashes Underworld. Ditto the comments about Kate's ass - that's a magnificent piece of work. Truly one of the great butts of all time.

Posted by: Enas Yorl on June 13, 2005 04:14 PM

"What do you mean they cut the power? How can they cut the power, man? They’re animals!!!"

Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge on June 13, 2005 04:35 PM

ACE - You're in fine form today! It must've been all those Molly Ringwald types that you visited and have such a well deserved reputation with "in the Niagra area."

Posted by: 72 Bimbos on June 13, 2005 04:42 PM

>>>Movies are good primarily for:
>>>Showing amazing apartments you will probably never own.
>>>Showing amazing office-spaces you will probably never be lucky enough to work in.
>>>Showing amazing pieces-of-ass you will certainly never have.

It's called living vicariously, Ace. But if that depresses you, maybe that's why disater movies are so popular. It's always good to see people having a worse life than yours.

Not a disater movie, but I think that the ultimate "people having a really bad time" movie was House of Sand and Fog.

Posted by: John on June 13, 2005 05:05 PM

For those of you who have time to waste, enjoy vampire movies and know something about science, the following link might be enjoyable.

http://www.rifters.com/real/progress.htm

It's a half hour or so presentation on scientific research on the human subspecies commonly known as vampires. It's deadpan and incredibly detailed down to the syntax and speech pattersn and bad slides that biological researchers use. However, even though it's long, it has moments of comic brilliance, specially in describing the research methods.

Posted by: John on June 13, 2005 05:13 PM

The acting and dialogue were so overwrought in Underworld that it almost ruined the movie. In particular, the treacherous evil vamp that wanted to bang Kate was awful. But it was still entertaining, the werewolves were cool. Doesn't touch Blade though.

A sequel is due soon, I believe.

Posted by: Bill from INDC on June 13, 2005 06:41 PM

Then there is this vampire ecology study based on the Sunnydale setting.
http://smokeping.planetmirror.com/pub/papers/vampecology/vampecology.htm

Posted by: epobirs on June 13, 2005 10:11 PM

I would think any world that had real vampires would also have busy inventors producing flashlights that have the same effect as sunlight. That would even up the odds nicely.

Posted by: epobirs on June 13, 2005 10:13 PM

Michelle Trachtenberg said all that needs to be said about vampires, in BtVS: "Ooh, scary vampires, you die from a splinter."

Posted by: Bob Hawkins on June 14, 2005 10:05 AM

I despise all of you with a powerful, white-hot hatred.
Sincerely, I don't know why I even come here.

Posted by: lauraw on June 14, 2005 10:29 AM

Vampires in general get too GOOD of a rap. I deeply, deeply hate Anne Rice for her homoerotic series of books on Vampires, which can spend 20 lines talking about the leaves of a tree outside of Lestat's house, and about 2 lines discussing anything vaguely interesting.

I like the idea that Vampires are superpowerful, inhuman vermin. Clive Barker's Vampires was a perfect example. They're supernatural cockroaches, and the secondary, or lower level vamps are as easy as drunken clubgoers to kill off. The Master Vampire, however, is hell on wheels and the only sane action to take when confronted by one is to run for your lives.

King's book, 'Salem's Lot, was another good example of this. Vamps are disgusting bloodsucking corpses, and a betrayal of the covenant between God and man. When you meet up with one, you're staring into the pitted eyes of the Enemy.

All this 'tortured soul' crap is for the birds. The best Vamp stories are the ones when the monster uses the tortured line on a stupid co-ed as an entre into betraying her fellow man and becoming a bloodsucker.

Posted by: Fox on June 14, 2005 11:39 AM

Fucking vampires. Don't get me started.

I can't believe I missed this thread before now. I would have been ready to unleash a broadside of foamy invective against the mincing hemogobblers, but I'm so disgusted that its a day old I can't rouse the effort.

Fucking vampires.

Posted by: Alex_fs on June 15, 2005 01:50 AM
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