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June 13, 2005

Just Heard [Jen@Demure Thoughts]

I just heard on the Radio they will be announcing the Jackson Verdict in one hour.

Update By Ace: Cool. It's finally over. I'm happy to say I don't think I've written one post about this.

The trouble is-- we all know he did it. But from what little I know of the case, I'm not sure they've really proven much. Only one victim is willing to claim he was molested; the others deny it. And that one victim and his family... well, they're not really a credible bunch.

It will be interesting to see if the jury basically just ignores the "beyond the reasonable doubt" standard and substitutes a different standard, like, "come on, we know this freak is jerking off young boys; who cares if there's evidence for it or not?" Sort of reverse jury-nullification -- just nullifying the actual standard of evidence needed to convict, in a manner that hurts the defendant rather than the prosecutors. (The OJ jurors jury-nullified, I think.)

I think he'll walk.

Update by Jen: I think he probably will as well. I think he will probably get the conviction for giving alcohol to a minor though. That one they all but admitted to doing. Either way I think Jackson will make a bolt out of the country at the earliest possible opportunity. I do not see him just going to prison and taking his medicine and I do not see him staying in the country waiting for the mothers of his children to take them back.

Update By John: Are we talking about the guy who wears the sequin glove and does that "moonwalk" dance?

Update by Jen: Is the Verdict leaked?

I cannot imagine the folks at court tv want this on their site if this comes down other than true. More: This is what I would think a clerk would type up for signature by the judge and jury. Maybe they just posted the guilty forms and didn't post the innocent forms. I doubt he gets convicted on ALL counts.

Update by Dave: Uh, I've got nothing. I was just feeling left out.

Although, if Jacko does go to jail, anyone want to take bets on how soon he gets the "Oz" treatment?

Update by Jen: Final bets folks... I say guilty on a few of the lesser charges. I hope I am wrong.

Not Guilty of Molestation... Not Guilty of anything. Unfucking believable. He needs to call OJ and start a club called, "Thank God for the Assclowns who Serve on LA Juries Appreciation Organization."

Update by John: Jen said it best: Un. Fucking. Believable. Congrats to all the freaks outside the courtroom.

Does this mean that the courts don't give a shit about our kids? Maybe. Or maybe celebrity is more important than the safety of children. But don't think for one moment that the jury would have found someone whose name was Joe Smith not guilty on all ten counts.

posted by Ace at 03:37 PM

Comments

That sound you hear? Thousand of reporters around the country crapping their pants in frenzied anticipation. Remind me not turn on the news for the next few weeks.

Posted by: brak on June 13, 2005 03:49 PM

The other sound is them charging to California.

OK Place bets NOW!

Posted by: Iblis on June 13, 2005 03:55 PM

If he is found Guilty, expect him to faint or do some other hysterical theatrics, then go to the hospital/attempt suicide/cry racism, or more likely all three.

I expect another Not Guilty, unfortunately

Posted by: brak on June 13, 2005 04:08 PM

There's a whole laundry-list of charges; I doubt he'll get off for all of them.

Posted by: someone on June 13, 2005 04:08 PM

After this long, he'll get convicted of SOMETHING. They had ten different choices, plus an additional, lesser charge in place of giving the alcohol to the minor. Otherwise, they would have been out of there after one day.

The question is...

Did they convict him of the major charges?

The fact that Jackson is acting guilty as shit, hopefully, didn't go unnoticed by the non-sequestered jury.

Posted by: Dogstar on June 13, 2005 04:10 PM

Probably, probation, tops. I still expect a suicide attempt.

Posted by: brak on June 13, 2005 04:12 PM

Tradesports.com is pretty firm on the providing alcohol to a minor, but only 50-50 on the lewd conduct charges.

Posted by: on June 13, 2005 04:24 PM

I do not see him staying in the country waiting for the mothers of his children to take them back.

Of course not, because they are not his children! Michael can't concieve because he was castrated before puberty to keep his voice high, which is exactly why he is such a wacko and so obcessed with pubesant boys and their sexuality. When he said in Thriller, "I'm not like other guys, ... I'm really not like other guys'" he wasn't kidding!

Posted by: 72 VIRGINS on June 13, 2005 04:31 PM

Hell, I've had the verdict(s) up at my place for the past half hour.

Welcome back Ace!

Posted by: Preston Taylor Holmes on June 13, 2005 04:36 PM

Jen,

I think those are blank verdict forms.

Posted by: John from WuzzaDem on June 13, 2005 04:50 PM

Yeah I know. Like prepared by a clerk. That is what I was thinking. I still find it odd that this is on their website

You would think they would have not put these in a public folder.

Posted by: Jennifer on June 13, 2005 04:53 PM

Jen, if you scroll down through there are some that say not guilty as well.

Posted by: See-Dubya on June 13, 2005 04:58 PM

That is not how it was a moment ago. Maybe they were just uploading them as they got them. Odd. This was all over the talk radio also. I just thought it was odd he would be found guilty on all ten charges. I think we will be lucky if he gets half the charges convicted.

I have a bad feeling about this.

Posted by: Jennifer on June 13, 2005 05:01 PM

I'm with Jen. I say not guilty on the major charges, guilty on the lesser charges.

Posted by: Slublog on June 13, 2005 05:07 PM

Not Guilty on ALL COUNTS. Unfrickin believable.

Posted by: Enas Yorl on June 13, 2005 05:20 PM

Again, with Jen. What the hell?

There's some jackass fan releasing doves as each 'not guilty' verdict reaches the crowd.

Another stupid fan has a "we apologize on behalf of all mankind" sign for Jackson.

These people make me sick.

Posted by: Slublog on June 13, 2005 05:20 PM

Someone please beat the crap out of those pathetic "fans." And the idiots at DU who are celebrating this as a victory. WTF??

I wish the riot police would take out those doves.

Posted by: brak on June 13, 2005 05:23 PM

Screw the doves.

Tear-gas the moron releasing them. I can't describe how utterly pissed off mindless fandom like that makes me.

Posted by: Slublog on June 13, 2005 05:28 PM

http://www.livejournal.com/users/yogimus/

^Cue little boys rioting in L.A.^

Posted by: Yogimus on June 13, 2005 09:56 PM

Those doves cost the woman $120 a day to rent. She had them for at least 9 days.

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"The end of the two party system in the UK" as first the Fake Conservatives and now Labour chooses political suicide rather than simply STOPPING THE INVASION
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Yup, Labour is losing 80% of its seats...

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br> If this continues, Keir Starmer will be out of office next week.

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