Women can have orgasms?!?

Huh.

Hahaha Dave!

I'd say this is the oddest post ever by you, Ace.

Yes, I know...

Is this question serious?

If so:

Men are more visual creatures.

here's just one cite:

http://www.nature.com/neuro/journal/v7/n4/abs/nn1208.html

In terms of physical instinct, women tend to be attracted to height, symmetry, clear skin and quality clothing, in about that order. In other factors, money and sense of humor are high up on the list. Intelligence lags, but rates.

To these scientists, it's always about men impregnating as many women as possible, and women finding a good "provider."

Because ... that's what human instinct (absent things like socialization, conscience and pair-bonding instinct) tends to be about.

When married women have an affair, the sperm from the interloper is far liklier to be accepted by the woman's egg than her husband's. During menstruation, women are more attracted to men with attractive, feminine features. At more fertile times, they tend to find themselves more attracted to masculine men, as well as when they are pregnant.

Women tend to be turned on by scenes of both women and men, women and women and various mixtures of both having sex. Straight men tend to be turned on solely by women with women and men with women, but not men with men. Gay men, only men with men, less women with men and not women with each other.

Any more questions?

PS - The "Those Shirts" gal is looking at me like she wants me. I think it's my symmetry.

All this gene stuff is good news.

That means we'll be able to program our kids to be "not slutty, but able to have hot sex, and, oh, yeah cancel the short sightedness, the gout gene,the psycho gene, and the gay gene. Thanx Doc!"

Maybe odd, but researchers have found the gay gene in fruit flys.

Bill:

In terms of physical instinct, women tend to be attracted to height, symmetry, clear skin and quality clothing, in about that order. In other factors, money and sense of humor are high up on the list. Intelligence lags, but rates.

I keep reading about symmetry. What the heck is it anyway? I can't seem to find an explanation.

In terms of physical instinct I would also add to your list, a lean physique (I have a lean thing going) and a small firm buttocks.

PS - The "Those Shirts" gal is looking at me like she wants me. I think it's my symmetry.

Get over yourself, Bill. She's looking at me. Mr. Symmetrical.

Are you saying that the female orgasm is bad behavior or a shortcoming? Just asking...

Dude, fruit flies are totally gay. I mean, I forget about a banana in the trunk of my car for a few days, and all the sudden the damn thing is infested. Oh wait, that isn't what you meant, is it?

Count me as one female who is NOT excited by seeing two women.

Nope, count me out.

Zelda -

Lean physique with the "V" - shoulders much broader in relation to waist - is attractive to women across most cultures.

"Symmetry" is how well your features on either side of your body match each other, cheekbones and the like. So for example, Angelina Jolie, Casper van Dien, very symmetrical features.

Quasimodo, Hillary Clinton, Corky from Life Goes On, not so much.

Count me as one female who is NOT excited by seeing two women.

Nope, count me out.

Posted by Lipstick Dynamite at June 10, 2005 01:27 AM

You SAY that on this blog, but hook you up to some electrodes while watching "Where the Boys Aren't 6" and I bet your brain would light up like the Fourth of JOOO-LIE!

And, to demonstrate how asymmetry is unattractive... here's our old friend Brian Peppers!

Brian's much funnier this time. Last time I wasn't prepared. Kind of like goatse.

Yep. I'd say that's "asymmetrical."

Not one person has mentioned size in this thread. And the angle of the dangle. Motion of the ocean?

"More women were able to orgasm during masturbation, with 34 percent always reaching orgasm," the researchers said in the journal.

Only 34%?! Show of hands, how many women posting here have diddled themselves and NOT had an O? What did you do to correct that bit of self-esteem killing realization? In detail please, and slowly.

And don't even get me started on this "men are more visual creatures that women nonesense."

Its not nonsense.
A man can be bald and ten years older than the female and she still has the capacity to get turned on by him, fall in love with him, and take vows with him.
If there's a different standard for male and female attractiveness- and there is - it is because women are much more...open minded on that score.

If there's a different standard for male and female attractiveness- and there is - it is because women are much more...open minded on that score.

Yes and no, BIG NO.

(Also Validated by a ton of legit research) John Stossel did a test of various gender attractions, and lined up men of varying heights in two-way room, asking a group of women to pick the men they'd date. Unerringly, they chose the tall men, skipping any men under 5'8" or so. Then Stossel changed the picture - he started describing what each man did for a living, what his acomplishments were, in incremental stages. By the end, the guy that was 5'3" and the guys that were 5'5" were respectively a world-class skier, a doctor and a multi-millionaire real estate developer. They'd also won varying awards for intelligence, public service, bravery, etc.

But the women still preferred the tall guys, with completely average occupations. This doesn't hold true in all cases, of course, and in certain ways, women are more open-minded and receptive to kind, nurturing male personalities (at certain ages, especially). But when it comes to being protected, the twin appeal of money and height, height, height, also makes women sort of shallow as all get-out. It's instinctive.

(and of course these are all trends, not immutable inevitabilities)

Advice to short guys of the world: dress nice (especially shoes), make a lot of money and step up the personality.

So for example, Angelina Jolie, Casper van Dien, very symmetrical features.

I don't know who Casper is, but I seem to remember that one of Angelina's, er, "features," is bigger than the other one, or hangs lower, or something.

Which isn't exactly symmetrical (and is pretty common among women), but somehow does not detract one bit from the fact that she's smokin'.

I actually don't think there's much to the "symmetry" thing -- I mean sure, in extreme cases like a broken nose that points way off to one side, I can see it coming into play. But I, and I'm pretty sure many others, actually find some "asymmetrical" features, such as Drew Barrymore's cheek dimple, kinda cute. And looking at women's attraction to men, wasn't it Errol Flynn that made women all over the world swoon decades back ... while wearing a patch over one eye?

Then again, there's the vertical symmetry issue, which is I think why the "hourglass" figure is considered by most to be preferable to the "Bartlett pear," but doesn't quite explain the widespread popularity of the "two cantaloupes on a popsicle stick" look.

Anyway, as far as the idea of women's orgasms go, there's at least some remote connection to showing that a man is a good long-term companion. I mean, it at least means he's considerate enough to provide something for his mate, even if he has to soldier on, ignoring that crick in his neck and his sore and cramped-up tongue, to do it.

Compos, are you trying to tell me you've never grabbed yourself and a glossy magazine and then been stricken by shame and given it up? Not even once?

Or if shame only serves to titillate you, perhaps boredom or even, God forbid, discovery might be enough to cause you to desist in your simian display of self-gratification. If so, you would be one of the 66% (if you were a chick) who could not answer "always".

However, if they really mean "every time I really tried", then I would have to agree that failure on that count would be absolutely devastating. We're talking head-in-the-oven stuff.

"Beyond pheromones, many scientists believe that body form, especially symmetry, conveys a sub-conscious message of fitness and initiates attraction. The theory goes that asymmetrical phenotypic features give clues to underlying genetic problems, thus yielding less viable offspring.

One paper published in 1994 explains that symmetry is used "as a means of ascertaining the stress susceptibility of developmental regulatory mechanisms."4 In other words, organisms that maintain symmetrical features under environmental stresses also maintain healthy, unaffected genomes. Symmetry is simply a way for an organism, including a human, to advertise that genetic fitness.

Numerous studies of symmetry in humans have shown that men especially are more attracted to women with symmetrical features. (One hypothesis suggests that women are not as concerned with symmetry because instead of breeding, they look for a mate that can provide food and protection for their offspring, i.e., money and power for humans (2).

In one recent study conducted by Randy Thornhill of the University of New Mexico in Albuquerque, college males found symmetrical female faces more attractive than asymmetrical faces. In addition, the symmetry-blessed women showed a history of more sexual partners and tended to lose their virginity at an earlier age (2). This same pattern for symmetry preference held true for both facial and non-facial characteristics in two additional studies.(1,5)"

Speaking just for myself, I'd have to say I'm fairly visual. I mean, I don't care how rich the guy is, but if he's heavy, poorly groomed, can't put two sentences together, and looks like a serial killer, then I'm not interested. On the other hand, my weakness lately has been for pretty younger men. So what do you supposed these evolution people would have to say about that?

Oh shit.
I think this just became the flame thread.

Wha- where'd it go? LOL

I don't blame her one bit for zapping it, though I was only goofing on her.

hahaha

On the other hand, my weakness lately has been for pretty younger men.

That you like health. If they are super pretty, you like health and sensitive weenies that will hold you like they did back on Naboo.

That's right. I did zap it. I don't find crude, vicious, personal attacks acceptable.

Bill, I don't understand the meaning of "will hold you like they did back on Naboo. " What is "Naboo" anyway?

Naboo? Isn't that one of the Teletubbies, like Dooku and Jar-Jar?

Zelda, I'm sure it was not meant vicious.

Its part of a gratuitously disgusting flame war that has been kind of continuously going on in the background since the first flame thread a while back.

That's the trouble with being flung into the monkey cage. You don't know which monkeys are just flinging poo and which ones actually bite. I assure you I meant nothing personal and I apologize for being crude at your expense.

Keep in mind that I have no idea how men of your own age would find you, so any reference to that would almost have to be a goof.

Bill, I don't understand the meaning of "will hold you like they did back on Naboo. " What is "Naboo" anyway?

It's a cheesy lovestruck line from the new Star Wars flick. "Oh Ani ... hold me like you did back on Naboo!"

Sorry for the obstruse pop culture reference. I assumed that everyone even mildly associatd with this blog is a total geek.

Only 34%!!?? That can't be right!