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April 20, 2005

Sullivan: And I'll Keep Leaving the Church Until Someone Notices

Utron searches for the quote that the good Professor Bainbridge couldn't find.

As a Sullyologist, I know all about the lack of a search function on Andrew Sullivan's site, and how frustrating it is to look for an egregious post you remember but cannot find except through the brute-force method of scanning through Sullivan's histrionic burblings.

You know that $100,000 that suckers gave him every year for the last several years? (Some of those chumps are now here; you probably feel filled with heart-ache, as you should.) Well, not a fat lot of that went into his much-heralded website improvements, unless you count being able to toggle from gray to lavender and back again some sort of technological breakthrough.

Anyway.

Sullivan's in high dudgeon now about the Church divorcing itself from him due to the election of this gob-smackingly vile man Joseph Ratzinger as Pope Benedict XVI.

But, as ever, Sullivan tends to rewrite the past as necessary to cast himself as the focus of drama in every major story that plays out in the media. He pretended to be an anguished Bush-supporter, "debating" whether or not to continue that support, months after he'd announced he could not support Bush in The Advocate.

And similarly now he plays the juicy role of the wounded-but-faithful Catholic, horrified at what his church has become.

Except, it seems, he pretty much renounced Catholicism a year and a half ago:

Since the summer, I haven't written about this much, because it felt increasingly inappropriate to bring such deeply private issues into the public arena. But like many others, this past year has been a watershed for me. The combination of the cover-up of sexual abuse and the extremity of the language used against gay people by the Vatican has made it impossible for me to go back inside a church. I do believe that something is rotten in the heart of the hierarchy, that it is bound up in sexual panic and a conflicted homosexual subculture that is a deep part of the Catholic Church. Until that is dealt with, until a new dynamic of hope and honesty replaces denial and authoritarianism, I cannot go on. Am I still a Catholic? I don't think I can call myself such publicly any more. Privately, I think I always will be in some place in my heart. But I cannot enable the vicious cycle of failure and scapegoating that now animates what amounts to the leadership.

Emphasis added, to help guide you through Sullivan's rather eye-glazing prose.

Compare with his recent noises about leaving the Church:

Thanks for your emails both sympathizing and telling me to leave the Church entirely. But I am still in shock. This was not an act of continuity. There is simply no other figure more extreme than the new Pope on the issues that divide the Church. No one.

Obviously, I've got no problems with apostacy. Sullivan can criticize the church to his heart-ache's content. And he can leave the church any time he likes.

But what is this crap about no longer considering himself a Catholic in 2003, and now praising JPII in order to denigrate The Madman Ratzinger? How can he threaten to walk out a Church he renounced a year and a half ago?

To be fair, I really don't think Sullivan is trying to be dishonest, as I suggested above. That was a bit of, ahem, Sullivanesque hyperbole.

It's not that he's dishonest, per se. It's that he's so mercurial and inconsistent that there is no definable "truth" to him. At least not a truth that persists from one outburst to the next.

This is the problem with his wildly bipolar style of "analysis" -- he loves someone one day and denounces him as the devil the next, with very little explanation as to how his thoughts could have changed so radically over the course of months.

Although, of course, the one time he did attempt to explain how his feelings were "evolving" --actually, they'd already evolved-- the backing-and-filling necessary to show "consistency" on the Bush v. Kerry question was, to use some choice Sullyisms, "sickening" in its calculation and "nauseating" in its transparency.

I just don't see how people can continue to read this guy, to depend on him for thoughtful and sober analysis, when his "Who's Hot/Who's Not" rankings change so dramatically week by week.

Okay, I've spilled enough pixels on this nitwit. Seriously, I'm not writing the words "Andrew" or "Sullivan" or "Andy" or "Sully" or any permutation thereof for at least a week.

Unless he writes something so gob-smackingly vile that I feel physically sickened, of course.

Catch-22 Says It Best: This is from memory, so pardon me if make some sort of appallingly horrifying error.

Let us say, charitably, that Sullivan is a rather passionate fellow. Catch-22 had something like this to say about another passionate fellow:

Clevinger was passionate about justice. He was passionate about many subjects. He was crazy.

posted by Ace at 01:47 AM
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Posted by: someone on April 20, 2005 01:54 AM

Download the google toolbar and it lets you search individual sites.

Posted by: Karol on April 20, 2005 01:55 AM

In other words, he's a big drama queen.

Posted by: on April 20, 2005 02:35 AM

I didn't say that.

Posted by: ace on April 20, 2005 02:36 AM

you don't need the google toolbar to search a particular site. just use the "site:andrewsullivan.com" modifier after your search query. wanna see all the pages on andrew's site where he mentions the vatican? just type "vatican site:andrewsullivan.com" into google and browse away.

(obviously, the "site:" modifier works for any site.)

Posted by: napalm on April 20, 2005 02:39 AM

I didn't say that.

Of course not, I did.

Posted by: on April 20, 2005 02:48 AM

If it makes you feel better ace, you get the money I used to give Sullivan. I thought he was great for ripping on the NY Times and supporting the war and was very impressed when his nemisis Raines fell for the reasons Sullivan attacked him, but then it all went bad.

Just know that some of the dollars coming into your tip jar were diverted from Sullivan's.

Posted by: Moonbat_One on April 20, 2005 03:01 AM

WAIT, AM I CATHOLIC? The boyfriend mentioned to me while spooning tonight that he thought I had publicly renounced the faith some time ago. I checked my archives, and it turns out I'm Protestant. Good to know. Henceforth my criticisms will dwell not on my attempts to reconcile my conscience to my belief in Catholicism as the one true faith, but rather on my belief that Catholicism is not the one true faith. Of course, if in my spiritual journeys I should have a change of heart and come to embrace the Church again, I'll be sure to let you know at some distant point in the future, assuming the boyfriend reminds me.

I'm heading up to P-town this weekend to scout around for gay-friendly Protestant churches and Protestant-friendly gay bars. I've also got a little tax problem up there to square away: I sank all the funds from last year's pledge drive into a risky search-engine venture for the site that went belly up, and now they're putting a lien on my house. If you want to make sure I don't end up blogging from inside a refrigerator box, please consider donating twenty, fifty, or even a thousand dollars. In fact, think of it as a "Ratzinger tax." Why? Because I don't like Ratzinger.

Posted by: Sully on April 20, 2005 03:03 AM

That was a fine and funny "analysis" of Andy Sully.

Posted by: Michael V. on April 20, 2005 03:10 AM

While it's been great sport making fun of Excitable Andy today (as it has been for the better part of a year), I kinda feel like this is a bit of a tragedy.

I mean, the guy is a great writer, but watching his collapse into a shrill, hyper-agitated wreck has been ugly. His site was one of the first that got me interested in reading blogs, and it was one of the first I would check every morning to see what was going on. I actually felt kind of bad when I deleted his URL from my bookmarks, but that feeling didn't last very long.

I'm not sure if I totally agree with ace about Sully's dishonesty. Maybe he is just a weathervane-type, but I suspect he was being dishonest with himself, not just his readers. I think he was always just a hawkish liberal, never really a conservative. And I suspect identity politics influenced his thinking more than he ever imagined it did. But I guess we'll never be sure.

In short, Sullivan ought to be wondering why a lot of people who respected his opinion no longer do, but I suspect he'll probably chalk it up to gay-bashing from the right. And that's a shame, because people like me don't care about something like that. We just know a hack when we see one.

Posted by: Sean M. on April 20, 2005 03:54 AM

So, now every time the Pope makes the news we can expect to be subjected to another hissy fit? I think they got all the mileage they are going to get out of the Pope being Catholic.

Off to bed. And please, God, no nightmares tonight about the Devil Who Comes Clicking On Little Toenails When You Open Up A Bag of Chips.

Posted by: on April 20, 2005 04:01 AM

One of the bloggers once wrote “Andrew sees the world through the prism of his asshole”. I still get a good chuckle over that line.

Posted by: Lilly on April 20, 2005 07:53 AM

Money Quote: "that it is bound up in sexual panic and a conflicted homosexual subculture that is a deep part of the Catholic Church"

This is a fine example of what those brainy psychiatrists call "projection".

Posted by: Dave in Texas on April 20, 2005 09:00 AM

You nailed that nicely, Ace. I didn't say, "He's not even Catholic!" in my original comment, because you're right: the guy's mood swings are so wildly out of control that it's not even fair to hold him to the standards of logic and consistency you expect from most grown-ups.

All the same, like Sean M. said, Sully's decline is pretty sad to watch. Not too many years ago Sullivan was a good editor at the New Republic, back when NR was a good magazine. I hate to think what Sullivan and the rest of the "reality based community" are going to look like in another five years.

Posted by: utron on April 20, 2005 09:25 AM

Lilly - A new discovery at Johns Hopkins Medical Scholl shows that Liberals have a mutation of the anal-optic nerve (which connects the anus to the eyeball) which causes them to have s shitty outlook on life.

Posted by: 72VIRGINS on April 20, 2005 10:01 AM

Sully's just another of these "buffet table" Catholics, who want the chef (er, Pope) to wheel out what they consider the tasty bits but leave the harsh herbs in the cupboard.

Dolt.

Posted by: TC@LeatherPenguin on April 20, 2005 10:14 AM

Ditto Sean M.'s comments. Sully was probably the second blog I ever read, after The Corner. I read him for years, and I liked how I agreed with some of his points, and disagreed with others. He seemed "real" that way. Like me-- like anyone-- his opinions didn't always fit into a convenient jar, and we were all invited to watch as he hammered out his positions in plain view. It was messy, sure; but it was honest.

But then something changed. He started being dishonest with his audience. He say one thing for one crowd, then contradict himself on his site, and use increasingly tortured language to argue that both positions were consistent with each other. Then, after literally years of assigning primacy to the war as the defining political issue of the day, he abandoned that in order to argue that he had to vote with his sexuality instead. That's okay, that's a defensible position. I happen to disagree strongly with it-- you don't worry about hitting the sack when your house is on fire. But if Sully thinks that, fine.

The problem, of course, is that Sully had painted himself into a corner in arguing the primacy of the war. He couldn't back out of it without taking his time to argue out of it-- even though it's clear in hindsight he was ready to bail on Bush & Co. very early on, and looking for any excuse to complain and insult and mischaracterize the Right. Again, I'm okay with that-- I read Democrat and liberal sites in order to challenge my viewpoints. But in the end, the man simply wasn't making a damn bit of sense. Reading his site became an exercise in intellectual futility-- *what* does he believe? *Why* does he believe it? The answers would change on a daily basis, with no obvious consistency connecting the two. Except, eventually, the theme that everything Bush did was personally directed at Andrew Sullivan's sexuality.

I'm sorry, but I don't have any patience for narcissism. Unless it's funny, like Ace's.

Andrew Sullivan's martyr/persecution complex keeps him from realizing that so many of us on the Right aren't criticizing him for changing his mind-- we're criticizing him for *sloppily* changing his mind. There was no logic, no reason in the decision-- just mercurial emotion. Or, at least that's how it appears to all of us. Perhaps that's not really the case, but Sully's a good enough writer that he should have been able to explain it better.

Oh well. At least there's always Garfield Ridge-- proud home of gob-smackingly vile rank hypocrisy since 2004.

Cheers,
Dave at Garfield Ridge.

Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge on April 20, 2005 10:22 AM

I disincluded AS from my otherwise-excellent Firefox group of tabs to open in the morning about a year ago, right about the time he went "wobbly" on Iraq. I was getting sick of his "principled" criticism of the war's planning and excecution. I assumed that his lefty buddies had finally worn him down with their own naysaying.

I wasn't reading him when he was apparently pioneering this whole blogging thing, so I can't say that removing him from my daily reading was a big blow.

Posted by: tachyonshuggy on April 20, 2005 12:45 PM

"This is the problem with his wildly bipolar style of analysis"

You said "bipolar" hehehe

Posted by: Beavis on April 20, 2005 01:59 PM

Sullen Sully is an effete snob and a nattering nabob of negativism.

Posted by: 72VIRGINS on April 20, 2005 02:26 PM

Yeah, but the anal-intruder has such low self-esteem he's probably prowling Ace's site because
"At least they're talking about ME!"
Which in his alternate reality is all that counts.

Andy Sullivan poster boy for the narcassistic west.

Posted by: Iblis on April 20, 2005 02:56 PM

Andy is currently on

http://www2.krla870.com

some of you might want to check it out.... OR NOT!

Posted by: Terri on April 20, 2005 03:12 PM

I always found it odd that Sullivan squealed like a demented drama queen when W. explicitly came out against homosexual marriage. Like that was some kind of big honking surprise. Gee, a conservative Christian from Texas against homosexual marriage? Who would've believed it?

And then shortly after that, Sullivan went wobbly on Iraq and endorsed Kerry. He's been flopping around ever since. My only question is, why should anyone take him seriously any more?

Posted by: OregonMuse on April 20, 2005 04:52 PM

The thing to understand about Sully, Koz and various other lefty bloggers is that their "Lifestyle" is the main focus of their lives.

I should be more accurate to say that the focus of their lives is to make sure there is no one out there who will remind them that what they are doing might not be the healthiest, sanest or happiest way to lead a life.

Dealing with the daily pangs of guilt is much easier if they can demonize those who remind them of what they are doing.

Our friends at Powerline actually seemed surprised by the ferocity when these activists went after them.

Guilt is a tremendous motivator for backlash.

Posted by: JB Doubtless on April 20, 2005 06:30 PM

I read Andrew every day for a couple of years. He was the first gay conservative I found and I will always be grateful to him for that initial support. But he has become practically unreadable. The combination of moralism, hyperbole and squishiness became too much. I hope some day he'll regain his former strength. And, yes, Andrew, the Catholic Church is not in favor of homosexual activity. Cope. (Pardon the pun). The other thing that p***es me off is his coy avoidance of mentioning that after 20 years in America, making his living talking about "us", he remains a non-citizen. What's up with that?

Posted by: on April 20, 2005 11:43 PM

Good for you for finding that extract! I remembered it too, but just couldn't plough through all the back issues to find it. It also confirms something I remembered - it was during that summer of 2003 that Sullivan lost his faith, and I detected the change in tone immediately. As I recall, he took an extra-long summer holiday that year, staying on Cape Cod long after the usual summer crowds had left. I was impatient for him to come back and resume blogging, but when he returned, I could tell right away that he wasn't the same. Now I suspect that that's when he met his all-important boyfriend (I think he's still got the same one), and I'd bet money that the guy is NOT a Catholic. I happens with heterosexual couples too, that if there isn't a match in religious feeling, it's often the pious one who abandons God to keep the partner. Sullivan then assuages his guilt by claiming that it's the Church that's to blame for his apostasy, driving him away with its heartless, irrational prejudice, but really, he just doesn't want to give up his pleasures. Not a new story, just reserved with an extra-thick layer of self-pity.

Posted by: Wanda on April 21, 2005 08:03 AM
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