Welll,there are no Armenians left in Turkey;they've got to hate someone.

Yeah, I'm thinkin' its about time to explore the possibility of a nuclear Armenia.

Just drop a few hints, you know...

Wait...isn't this story in the space reserved for Ace's T-shirt promotion???

I get so confused when the crazy blog commerce starts happening....

If Armenia attacked Turkey from the "rear" would Greece help?

RT, I wouldn't Ankarage it.

That would be a war even Andy Bandwidth could 'get behind'!

Lemme tell ya, I kicked Hitler's behind 60 years ago and I could do it again in a heartbeat.

Especially with today's pharmaceutical breakthroughs. Just ask Libby. She'll tell ya.

Turkey, Germany, whatever. Doesn't matter to me. Just bring it, you fascist sacks of shit. I'll have you begging for mercy inside of an hour.

As ever, anti-Americanism and anti-Semitism: Perfect Together.

Well, of course the two go well together. Joooos control America. Just ask Cedarford.

The situation in Turkey is dire ...

... difficult, tricky to negotiate ....

Warren Zevon's "The Envoy" comes to mind

Which is precisely why Rove dispatched Jim Geraghty, NRO/The Kerry Spot to Turkey. More
precisely, Rove dispatched Geraghty's wife to
provide cover for Jim.

But we've got our man, envoy if you will, in Turkey.

Go figure! Another country where Jews once had good relations turning against them.

Why is that, Sean M?

Why do Irish, Chadians, Filipinos, Swedes, even Americans until recently manage to go about things without pissing the planet off??

And if you think America's low esteem has nothing to do with our close linkage to Israel and the perception that Jews control some of the industries in America that cause the most the most global resentment, guess again. Just go overseas to Asia, Europe,Latin America, Africa....just conceed the Ummah......and the people will tell you why they are pissed off at America. If you don't believe that, just read the Pew Polls.

Amazing that an ethnic group, alone amongst thousands of ethnic groups, can manage through their innocence, purity, and competance to arouse such feelings - even in most areas of the planet where they had little cultural or economic influence and where most of the people, even 50 years ago, had no history or bias against Jews.

It surely must be everyone else's fault! That's of course why it is called anti-Semitism. But that ignores most of the animosity comes from anti-Zionism and the evident power of the Zionists to set America's foreign policy in the ME.

Hey, Ray's a lawyer, so maybe he's a Joooo too. You never know. They disguise themselves in all sorts of clever ways that we can't even imagine.

Ray honey, are you to blame for all the world's ills?

Oh how I yearn for the reasoned discourse of Downtown Lad...

Damn, Cedar..usually it takes you a couple of posts to come out with both barrels blasting aginst the worldwide Zionist oppressor.

Tonight, you've done it right out of the blocks!

Are you trying to give Pseudarford material?

If it makes you feel better, I still hate Icelanders, by the way. Damn filthy, hot springs hopping, lava surfing, bastard sons of Thor been keepin' me down for the last 1,000 years.

Yeah, plus his name, "Downtown Lad", just gave me the giggles.

Ray honey, are you to blame for all the world's ills?

No. Just a few broken hearts.

Seriously though, don't want to get dragged into any of this. I try to stay away from these Cedarford gangbangs. Just don't see the point. No one's hearts and minds get changed, just a lot of screaming.

(I also carry the slightest suspicions that we're being played, that Cedarford is simply a way of driving up the blog counter. Remember, can't spell Cedarford with an A,C or E)

Re: "Downtown Lad"

I think it was an homage to Petula Clark.

Sorry Ray.

That was not right of me to do that to you.

I apologize.

I've been to Turkey and I loved it. Well, actually I drove around Istanbul in Driver 3, but I loved that. I've also seen numerous Turkish women on the Internet, and I love them too.

That said, it's hard for me to guess how much we should really read into this. I mean, Michael Moore got an Oscar for Best Documentary.

"I try to stay away from these Cedarford gangbangs"

Back in the day we used to say "that grosses me out"

Ray..you might be on to something there.

Looking back, you can't spell "Downtown Lad's Pricey Loft" without A,C, E, either.....

All this controversy breaking right as T-shirts go on sale....

Coincidence....or conspiracy?

I apologize . Don't be silly, mountain girl, you didn't do anything wrong. Just have to be in the mood for a good food fight. Just saying...

So long as he steers clear of Israel, Cedarford now and then can make some good points and provide thoughtful (though I may not agree with it) analysis.

However, when he starts talking Zionism, I mentally replace the word "Jew" with "ninja" and it makes more entertaining reading.

"Don't be silly, mountain girl, you didn't do anything wrong. Just have to be in the mood for a good food fight. Just saying..."

Well, I am sorry.

And I'll save my fighting for the imaginary wrestling ring!

Thanks.

Hmm, to be semi-serious in this pretty funny thread...

I don't think that the huge sales are necessarily indicative of anti-Semitism. Whether you agree with Hitler's writings or not, Mein Kampf is a significant piece of history and plenty of people could be buying it for that reason.

If The Communist Manifesto was released in this country anew (and wasn't available online) I'd buy it. And it sure wouldn't mean I have communist-like tendencies.

Later,
bbeck

Ya know, there might be a simple, harmless explanation for this...

Maybe it's a new, special, 75th anniversary edition, with additional photos, text, bonus features, etc.

Could just be a marketing blip.

Well, I for one wouldn't want to be judged by the types of books I buy. I actually have an Alan Dean Foster hardcover around here somewhere.

Later,
bbeck

If they *did* buy it for ideological reasons, I hope they're enjoying the slow melting of their brains as they try to stay awake long enough to get to Page 3. Mein Kampf (like a lot of world-changing manifestos, oddly enough) is stupefyingly dull. Yes, I had to read it for history. No, I wouldn't even buy even a gold-plated 75th anniversary commemmorative edition - too many explanations whenever some visitor spotted it on the shelf, besides, I'd never read it anyway.

Hmmmm, I somehow doubt that a large group of Turkish historical scholars are focusing their attention on the Third Reich for the purpose of academic research ... although Turkey certainly does have an interesting history with Germany.

I do find it amusing though that 1. folks that were easily on the hot list for Nazi extermination when the time was right, 2. whose "foreign" nationals in Germany also happen to be hated and the focus of discrimination and anti-Turk crimes, would want to emulate the big Schnitzel-er himself.

Kinda reminds me of Cedarford. Not too bright. Some might even say "Dumkopf"* ..

*excuse the spelling, any German I know comes directly from Hogan's Heroes, Classical Music and a Nazi trial I attended ... you can guess which was the source here.

Well, you gotta give Hitler one thing -- he knew how to sell books.

... I should add that I do own a copy of Main Kampf I picked up for kicks - It is fluorescent orange and, I agree with Sonetka, it is about as readable as my will.

The Communist Manifesto, on the other hand, is like reading the back of a Rice Krispies box ... dialectically of course.

...the evident power of the Zionists to set America's foreign policy in the ME.

I love it when someone else (especially the very target of my original remark!) so perfectly illustrates my point so soon after I've made it.

I bet Ced has a signed copy.

"The Communist Manifesto, on the other hand, is like reading the back of a Rice Krispies box ... dialectically of course."

How very bourgeois, PS.

Later,
bbeck

Glassing D.C..

Well that's one way to get out of the 5 billion they owe us.. One question:

Are we still subsidizing these fuck monkeys?

Cedarford:

I still don't know why you haven't fired up the old Know-Nothing party from the mid-19th century. I think you've got all of the planks in place to create a party platform. You could simply string together any number of your posts and they'd form the seeds of the platform. Then all you'd need to do is hire Pat Buchanan to put them together into some kind of cohesive, blathering manifesto.

Then we could simply let Abe Lincoln speak for us, with this famous letter:

I am not a Know-Nothing. That is certain. How could I be? How can any one who abhors the oppression of negroes be in favor of degrading classes of white people? Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes." When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics." When it comes to this I shall prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty--to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.
--Abraham Lincoln, letter to Joshua F. Speed, August 24, 1855

Of course, we'd have to alter the letter just ever so slightly and add Jews to the list. That'd cover just about everything perfectly.

Nice, KCT, very nicely done.

Thanks, Jack M.

That last sentence is scathing.

I can't resist another one from good old Abe:

...the point--the power to hurt--of all figures [of speech], consists in the truthfulness of their application.
--Abraham Lincoln, "The Presidential Question: Speech in the United States House of Representatives," July 27, 1848

As someone who never held elected office, Buchanan was as qualified to run for President as Pat Robertson, Steven Forbes, or Al Sharpton.

But Buchanan, like Newt Gingrich, another unelectable....is acknowledged to have credibility because he has turned out to be right on many ideas and theories he has advanced.

His warnings on untrammeled free trade look to be correct, and his premise in "Death of the West" is now held as the truth in most American circles and growingly, in Europe itself. Buchanan caused more heartburn in Europe with that book than anyone outside Dubya has managed.

As for Icelanders, Jack M., don't forget they bugger each other while catching and gutting cod on the cold Atlantic sea, chew stinking half decayed chunks of it like chewing gum, and use fermented cod guts as an aphrodesiac perfume on inbred landlubber gals, who have never been off Iceland and think fermented cod guts must be the finest aroma on the planet.

Good! So we agree on the Icelanders.

Have you heard? Downtown Lad and Cedarford have joined forces to form the Loftwaffe.

Stalin was much more understanding, KCTRio. He put out a letter in the mid-30's declaring the death penalty would be inflicted for anyone criticizing Jews in service to the Soviet State because he found their service invaluable....any criticism of them struck at the heart of the Soviet Revolution and amounted to counter-revolutionary activity.

And many were excuted for just that crime.

Of course, Stalin changed his mind in 1953. Somehow, he got pissed off. But he died before he could run a serious pogrom.

As for the "nativists" - the "know nothings" - political scientists have written that they had a positive effect in pushing immigrants to adopt the American culture and assimilate ASAP. These days, certain immigrant groups are not attempting to blend in - most notably radical Hispanics and Muslims. I for one don't think stopping Muslim immigration into the US, or the floods of illegals creating a hybrid Border culture would be a bad thing. Or ending state hiring contingent on being fluent in Spanish, and accomodations everywhere for "America's new 2nd language". Famously, LA fired a number of black dispatchers a few years back because they were unable to learn and be fluent in Spanish.

Cedarford:

Though I really do hate to be a link pimp for someone other than the fine owner of this site, since you found a point upon which you and Jack M. can agree, I invite you to right-click on Jack M.'s address, and left-click on "Open in new Window" to reach Jack's Blog.

There's a little something special, sort of an homage, waiting just for you over there. Quite felicitous, I think. Jack M.'s just got a way with words I guess. You really should go see for yourself. I was brought to tears when I first encountered it.

Loftwaffe!!!!! LOL. ROFL!

That's awesome Paul Z.

And here I was trying to figure out if Jizzstapo would work for those two.

But Loftwaffe is perfect!

Yeah..there's all that Cedar. But mainly it's just Bjork.

Freakin' Bjork. Coming over here and cluttering up the purity of our alternative music charts with her inferior Icelandic genes.

I'm telling you, something should be done about that evil bitch. You know the old saying: You let one Icelander into the charts and soon the whole neighbourhood is overrun with Sugarcubes wanna-bes.

Yeah, the Know-Nothings sure did help Lincoln. Rather hurt the living shit out of him at the mere suggestion by Douglas's goons that Lincoln stayed at Know-Nothing lodges. Lincoln didn't want to rebut the charges for fear that it would give them some degree of credence.

This letter reveals that Lincoln actually was close friends with a Jewish attorney! The conspiracy goes back over 150 years.

In a confidential letter to Abraham Jonas dated July 21, 1860, Lincoln wrote:

Hon. A. Jonas:

My Dear Sir:

Yours of the 20th is received. I suppose as good, or even better, men than I have been in American, or Know-Nothing lodges; but in point of fact, I never was in one, at Quincy, or elsewhere. I was never in Quincy but one day and two nights, while Know-Nothing lodges were in existence, and you were with me that day and both those nights. I had never been there before in my life; and never afterwards, till the joint debate with Douglas in 1858. It was in 1854, when I spoke in some Hall there, and after the speaking, you, with others, took me to an oyster saloon, passed an hour there, and you walked with me to, and parted with me at, the Quincy-House, quite late at night. I left by stage for Naples before day-light in the morning, having come in by the same route, after dark, the evening previous to the speaking, when I found you waiting at the Qunicy House to meet me. A few days after I was there, Richardson, as I understood, started this same story about my having been in a Know-Nothing lodge. When I heard of the charge, as I did soon after, I taxed my recollection for some incident which could have suggested it; and I remembered that on parting with you last night, I went to the Office of the Hotel to take my stage passage for the morning, was told that no stage office for that line was kept there, and that I must see the driver, before retiring, to insure his calling for me in the morning; and a servant was sent with me to find the driver, who after taking me a square or two, stopped me, and stepped perhaps a dozen steps farther, and in my hearing called to some one, who answwered him apparently from the upper part of a building, and promised to call with the stage for me at the Quincy House. I returned and went to bed; and before day the stage called and took me. This is all.

That I never was in a Know-Nothing lodge in Quincy, I should expect, could be easily proved, by respectable men, who were always in the lodges and never saw me there.

An affidavit of one or two such would put the matter at rest.

And now, a word of caution. Our adversaries think they can gain a point, if they could force me to openly deny the charge, by which some degree of offence would be given to the Americans. For this reason, it must not publicly appear that I am paying any attention to the charge.

Yours truly
A. Lincoln

Roy P. Bassler's editorial comments on the letter:

Abraham Jonas of Jonas & Asbury, attorneys, Quincy, Illinois, was an English Jew, a prominent Mason, and a political organizer among the Jews. His friendship with Lincoln was of long standing, and, hence, Lincoln felt that he could be trusted to handle the delicate political matter referred to. Lincoln had repeatedly and publicly expressed his opposition to Know-Nothing principles, but he did not wish to antagonize the Know-Nothings who had fused with other dissidents in forming the Republican Party.

The only thing I can say is that the Republican Party tried to get some of the Know-Nothings' scatterd pieces into the GOP, because they were pretty much dead on their own and we're considered pretty radioactive. Lincoln hated their platform, but many of their members were former Whigs, and when you are building a new party, it probably is wise to draw the remnants into your gathering than allow them to go to the opposing side. Sort of like how today's paleocons still begrudginly vote Republican.

Shit. I forgot to mention that there's even the Masons involved in that letter. My Lord, how could I have missed that one.

Cedarford:

This idea of the Know-Nothing party actually serving as a catalyst for the integration of immigrants into American society sounds rather like a strange echo of Hegelian dialectic. The fact that some political scientists would posit such a thing doesn't surprise me in the least.

But here's the problem with such reasoning. The Know-Nothings were really a bad, stinking lot of racists and bigots that abhored the whole idea of immigrants. Them being the progeny of immigrants themselves, they strike me as people that were saying, "I've lived here long enough to say I'm a pure American, and my blood lines go back generations and thus I am no longer a first-generation immigrant. But those German, Scotts, Irish and other bastards that came to this country recently and settled in the frontier territories really don't belong in our fine country. And the blacks deserve to be slaves; they're a mud race."

They were, at their core, bigots, shunning the very mechanism that got them here in the first place. In other words, heads I win, tails don't count.

I'd rather frame it this way: The Know-Nothings were bigots, and I don't see how the march of history necessitates the development of bad movements in order for good movements to become born. Hegel might say that (though he'd drop the "good" and "bad" parts), and I'm sure that there are plenty of political scientists that would agree, but their problem is that they agree with Hegel.

Hegel also believed in world-historical individuals as necessary for the progress of History. I'll sort of agree with that. But which world-historical individual would you choose: Hitler or ML King, Jr.?

Why can't good movements arise simply because they are good in-and-of-themselves?

Perhaps the best recommendation for Pat Buchanan is that he was willing to stand up against the "industries" controlled by the Zionists (government, media, religion, law, commerce, academia, energy, etc.) in defense of accused Nazi war criminals. The Je, umm Zionists manage to offend the entire world, which means, let's face it, they've got it coming. You don't even see anyone persecuting the vile Icelanders but me and Jack M., and let's face it, we hate everyone. But everyone hates the Jews. Why? Is it the money? Which brings me to Hitler vs. MLK: what was Rev. Dr. King going to do about the Jews? The man couldn't even hold a job in LA's police department because he didn't speak Spanish! I can't see Hitler standing for that sort of treatment, or for letting the Chinezionist merchants spread the Constitution with reeking gefilte fish and opium tar.

Ace, I like the T-shirts, especially the red-black-and white logo, but I don't see them in Brown. I'm sure you'll want to correct that oversight--maybe you can introduce them in a clingy rayon that will hug my shapely, prodigious manmaries. Sepia brown, not ochre--I don't want the lads mistaking me for a wetback.

How very bourgeois, PS.

I have been called worse : P

About Bjork .. now I thought her so-called music was the most horrific thing I had ever witnessed until I saw her in that swan dress ... yikes!!!

Just for the record...

I don't hate everyone. Just Icelanders. I'm still pissed off that they killed Thor.

Bastards. All smug and aloof on their volcanic island. All the while secretly planning for their eventual world domination through the corruption of our youth who are exposed to Bjork's music.

You just wait, Iceland. You'll get yours....

I love the smell of roasted Turkey.

mmmmm..... Turkey.

I tried to read Mein Kampf and found it so revolting and depressing that I could not finish it, and I'd read a lot of gross stuff. Hitler's mind was scary in its depravity and its vileness. Hitler states: "If the side of the body politic of Germany is cut open, it will reveal a pale Jewish maggot, blinking in the light of day." And I thought I was sick! An ugly and depressing read, apppropriate for Moslems.

I read Mein Kampf too. Some of it even exceeds ACE's writing in sickness.

72Virgins:

Wasn't it Churchill (the Nobel prize winner, not the ersatz Indian charlatan) that read Mein Kampf and noted that one might be wise to take Hitler at his word? Didn't Churchill foresee the ugly world view that Hitler harbored, and the man's potential for total war, while the rest of Churchill's counterparts did not listen?

Sometimes I wish people would just take at face value what people say and do, and not try and find a conspiracy under every move another human being makes.

Somehow I just don't see a priest trying to give the Eucharest to a woman as being some kind of cog in a vast right-wing, Right-To-Life machine. I suppose that rosary-slinging mobs can get appear quite menacing, to a lunatic, I guess. Unless one likes to play the self-seeling argument game, which would work sort of like this:

The priest is part of the conspiracy, his mind is under the RTLers control, he's just no aware of it.

You can't argue your way against that sort of logic, because it can't be penetrated with reason. It's got a built in counterargument to all rebuttals. That's what makes conspiracy theories so attractive, and frightening.

Now when the hell did the collective 72Virgins get the time to read Mein Kampf, my dear ladies?

JoeMama:

Another kickin' name. Are you on an integrity kick with that name? I really think it's slicin'ly good.

Anyway, how do you like your Turkey? seared then roasted, or just roasted?

On second thought, microwaved Turkey might be faster, with fewer "left-overs".

Be sure to get the settings on the New-Tron Quick Cook correct.

can you pls send me a logo of eucharest!