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Proposal: Reynolds-Malkin Blog Debate on National IDFor a long time, I've wondered why there wasn't more actual debating between blogs. It seems like an absolute natural fit. While there is a little I-cite-you-and-disagree, you-cite-me-back and offer a surrebuttal, there really isn't that much actual debate. Slate has week long debates between people through on-line exchanges; why don't we do that in the blogosphere? Whether it's Reynolds and Malkin or someone else (although I don't think you can find better represenatatives for their respective sides in the blogosphere very easily), let's have someone in the dextrosphere begin a formal debate on the question of National ID. Reynolds takes the libertarian position (which, here, I find unconvincing) and Malkin thinks we ought to have a national ID. Why not have a high-profile cross-blog debate on the issue? Why do we have to wait for the New York Times or George Bush to tell us what subject we're supposed to be discussing this week? I think it would be interesting for the blogosphere to attempt to drive the national debate, rather than letting others dictate it and simply being content to sit back and comment upon what others have decided we should talk about. I've been interested in this idea for a while; previously, I thought that drug legalization would be a good topic for discussion. But it seems to me the National ID debate is far more pressing. posted by Ace at 07:04 PM
CommentsOutstanding idea. Count me in for any debate. I have quite a few debates on my blog that tend to be fairly informative. They aren't quite as formal as you may be envisioning but the web is the perfect format. Posted by: Dignan on March 4, 2005 07:35 PM
Too Sweet Dude... Great Idea. If O'Reilly and Hannity/Colmes can do it, why can't the bloggers? Bloggers would make more sense and ad a lot more context, being that they can spend more than 2 seconds thinking of a response. ...Can you imagine if both of the bloggers had a researcher or two behind them, feeding them links and offering angles? It'd be the Great American Debate on steroids! Maybe the History Channel would want to cover it and make a docu-drama out of it in the vein of American Chopper or Straight Eye for the Queer Guy or something... Just a thought. Posted by: johnd01 on March 4, 2005 07:54 PM
I dunno - I sort of like the current blog debate format that you point out that includes references and citations and such. I think this leads to a more reasoned and fact centered debate than just watching two people call each other names for half an hour. Johnd01's idea sounds like a great approach Posted by: AKBigBoy on March 4, 2005 08:29 PM
"On Friday, hostility to the insurgency apparently boiled over into bloodshed in Wihda, 25 miles south of Baghdad. Townsmen attacked militants thought to be planning a raid on the town and killed seven, police Capt. Hamadi al-Zubeidy reported" Posted by: a-a on March 4, 2005 08:39 PM
We already have a National ID card. It's called a SSN. It is easily verifiable and if you're alive, not a dead Demonrat, then you have one. Thanks to the Demonrats, there is more voter fraud here than in most third world countries. Posted by: Ron on March 4, 2005 09:24 PM
I like, especially that topic. I am so divided on that subject. Half of me (the libertarian half) still measures everything agaisnt it's likelihood of inducing a 1984, Bladerunner set design future with the government herding us around (even more) like sheep from factory to factory aided by some national ID card. "Hell," I think, "why not just skip the card and go straight to the tattoo on the forehead? Or better yet, some sort of cyborg tracking implant! Matte finish please!" Then the other part of me (the conservative part), wants to slap that lil'-bitch part of me silly. Scream at me "Grow up, you pimply faced moron! This is the real world. With real problems a little more realistic and pressing than the 'thought police' nightmares scared into you by your bedside stack of manga. Real problems like terrorism and immigration!" In short, I want to see those two fight it outon that topic. I want to see one side in me finally win out over the other. In short, I love it. (I also have very strong feeling w/r/t the outfit Ms. Malkin would wear to the debate. Something Condi/Matrix. Not black though. That is so tired.) Posted by: Ray Midge on March 4, 2005 09:45 PM
It's a good idea.. so why don't you get things started? If a topic's worth debating, you should have in on it. Posted by: Charles Proteus on March 4, 2005 09:59 PM
As I've said before, I'm tired of debates. I'd rather see Malkin and Reynolds settle it with a drinking contest, like in Raiders of the Lost Ark with the bloggers standing around in the table in a run down Nepalese bar screaming and waving fistfuls of cash. Posted by: Alex_fs on March 4, 2005 11:17 PM
Waitaminute. Has Michelle Malkin definitively come out for National ID cards? I read her blog pretty regularly and I don't remember seeing that one. Anybody have a link? Posted by: See-Dubya on March 5, 2005 12:01 AM
Check out the old "Iron Blogger" thing sometime. It seems to have died around the election, but was a great forum for sensible, opposite minded bloggers to debate each other. Something like that with a different format, and perhaps more high profile bloggers, would be great.... http://theironblog.blogspot.com/ Posted by: francisthegreat on March 5, 2005 01:18 AM
See-Dubya is right. Michelle has not taken any position on the National ID card. Posted by: Jesse on March 5, 2005 08:48 AM
Is that so? I thought I read a post in which she complained of efforts to water down its provisions to allow illegal aliens to get such a card. Not an endorsement? Just more of a "If we're going to have it, let's do it right" sort of thing? Posted by: ace on March 5, 2005 09:10 AM
Ace--you might be thinking of California drivers' licenses for illegal aliens, which I think she (and a majority of Californians) oppose. Posted by: see-Dubya on March 5, 2005 12:28 PM
Iron Blog was interesting for about two weeks. One problem is in the judging; people get more wrapped up in the scoring than the debate. Of course, you could do it without judging and let people decide for themselves...but that's not significantly different from the current "link and response" bit. The Commissar made the proposal a while back that you should make a point to disagree with a blogger you respect once per week. That might be good enough to get ideas flowing. Posted by: Joe R. the Unabrewer on March 5, 2005 02:16 PM
Why not have debates with left/liberal blogs? Intraparty squabbles have limited appeal; many of us from the lib/Dem blog world, and surely many of y'all from the "dextrosphere" as well, would like to see actual interparty argument. Posted by: Bob on March 5, 2005 10:02 PM
Michelle has written in support of the Real ID Act, a bill sponsored by James Sensenbrenner. One of the Act's provisions places limits on the degree to which states can give driver's licenses and ID cards to illegal aliens. There are other provisions that deal with things like asylum abuse. The Real ID Act does *not* create a single National ID card issued by the federal government. Posted by: Jesse on March 6, 2005 08:34 AM
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