Wait a second.

Assuming Gannon is telling the absolute truth here (assume), what were the facts or misapprehended facts that lead Kos or Atrios to think he was on the WH payroll or otherwise a ventrilioquis's dummy voicing planted questions?

I ask that seriously. Can someone post a comment and say? I suppose I could go to their sites and wade through, but I've got my good clothes on. Does someone know?

This guy seems eminently decent (seems). What are the facts that led them to do this to him?

The only facts I've been able to discern from all this are that 1) Gannon is a conservative writing for a conservative boss, and 2) he asked the same jelly-type questions of the president that the libs always ask of their political heartthrobs.

Obviously, to them, if one asks that kind of question of a sitting (conservative, maybe even moderate) president, one has to be on the dole from him or his closest cronies. Gannon's "crime" has been in having beliefs and convictions not in line with the PC crowd.

Just as obviously, then, he must have been just about a modern-day Sundance Kid who had to be taken down before he could do irreparable harm, like get some truth out.

Gannon:"They were done through a private company I was involved with doing Web site development about five years ago"

so he didnt have anything to do with Gay Military websites? so this picture is photoshopped?

I could be completly wrong, but i just dont think this guy is totally honest. Just a hunch.

I think that the White House press briefings are more important than you think. They give the White houses official view on what ever the topic of the day is- be it North Korea or Social Security. The president doesn't give his opinion on these things every day- his white house spokesman does. Having someone ask sympathetic and leading questions would come in very handy when your surrounded by lefty MSM media sharks. Gannon did participate in a lot of white house press briefings, but he also, on at least one occasion, got to ask the president softball questions.
I don't believe the White House actually knew about Gannon, but I'm not exactly sure they wouldn't do something like this either. Armstrong Williams and the other journalists are examples of the Bush administration manipulating the media in ways that i never thought they would. this Gannon incident is less of a scandal than Williams in my opinion, but i still believe the Leftys should be allowed to dig into it. If there is nothing to it than nothing is lost except the time the Lefties could have spent causing trouble somewhere else. And the career of a bad journalist would also be destroyed. Which is what he was. No reporter should ask questions skewed by political beliefs. Just because Liberal reporters do it does not make it right for conservative reporters to do it.
Basically I think that this would be a non story except for three facts:
1)Gannon claimed at one point that he had seen the leaked Valarie Plame documents. Either he was lying or somehow a no name reporter was leaked classified documents. Why? Of all the major conservative journalists why would he be chosen unless he had some special 'in' with the White House? I personally think he just made this story up, but he did make the claim and it does warrant investigation.
2) How did he gain access to the President or the White House briefing room for that matter without a thorough security check? Are the people at the Daily Kos better at doing research than the secret service? The Kos people were able to find out his real identity as well as the gay prostitution domain names registered to him(which he admits to owning i believe). I can see why the SS wouldn't have a problem with a reporter writing under an assumed name- what i don't understand is the fact that they didn't properly check out the past of his true identity.
3)I don't like the way Gannon and Talon news has handled the incident. All of Gannons old Talon pieces have been deleted and he has been on television claiming that he is being 'stalked' and harassed simply because he is a conservative journalist. Which is very similar to Dan Rathers accusations that the only people questioning the National Guard memos are conservative attack dogs.
To sum up: I'm not saying definitely that there is anything too this story. I just think it smells a little funny. I think that the Lefty bloggers have every right to pounce on this story. Is some of it over the top? Sure. But so was some of the Rathergate stuff.
If they keep harping on this story and in the end come up with nothing- we win. The Righty bloggers will have exposed Rather and Jordan and the Lefty bloggers will have exposed themselves as fools for chasing a non story for partisan political reasons. If on the other hand they do find something incriminating-good for them. The truth is more important than scoring political points.

Ya know, I'm pretty sure gay men aren't the only consumers of skin pics of men. There *might* be women out there into that kinda thing, too.

Or maybe the photo has nothing at all to do with the domain names. Fer crissake, I worked with the guy who registered "diarreah.com" for P&G; it didn't make me think he personally had a digestion problem.

Doubting Amish,

1, we don't know that is Jeff Gannon.

2, where is it from and what does it prove? On Friendster and in AOL profiles, people post sexual pictures of themselves, cruising for sex.

Which, last I heard, wasn't illegal.

L.W. Amish,

If you'd have read the post and linked article you would have saved yourself a *LOT* of typing.

I read the post. Im just not sure i believe him or not. Even in this interview he still declines to say whether he has seen the Plame memo? Why the hell not just say yes or no?

Your absolutly right. The picture could be photoshopped. And no, it isnt illegal to cruise for sex on the internet(thank God). Im just saying that if the picture is real it does kind of damage his claim that he was only holding the Gay military prostitution domains for a client. I would also like to point out that i dont believe that picture is intended to pick up strait. Anythyngs possible but i think that a 47 year unmarried man who owns domain names about Gay Military escort services who poses seminaked wearing dog tags is looking for a wife.

Again i would just like to point out the fact that i dont know if the picture is real or photoshopped-its just something i came across- i just dont think we can immediatly take his word for it any more than we can take Dan Rathers statement that he had an unimpeachable source for the memo story.

damn i hate your filter! I had to retype everything.
My point is this- if he is misleading us about the gay part of the story- why is it so hard to believe hes not being entirely truthful about other aspects of it.

Hey Ace-how about a list of words your filter will block?

Okay, here's a list:

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Ray, it isn't James/Jeff's job to prove he isn't on the WH payroll, it's Kos' and Atrios' job to prove he is. And so far they got nothin'. Their "logic" is that since he is conservative, ergo: WH payroll/paid shill.

Amish- James/Jeff whatever was interviewed the FBI and not subpoenaed by the grand jury. If there was something there, I'm sure he would have been called to testify.

As for how he gained acess to the WH and the pres.- what have the people at Kos found that would prohibit him form gaining entry or make him a security risk? Nothing. He owned some domain names that were never hosted? He has a pic in his tidy whiteys?

The Kos/Atrios angle is that he's gay, that this is hypocrisy because he doesn't swallow (no pun intended) the gay agenda , and that he is a partisan internet journalist that doesn't deserve to be there. But other than that, there hasn't been one fact that suggests he is a security risk or that he is a paid shill.

"the famous desperado Jeff Gannon-- a man so mean he once shot a man just for snorin' too loud."

BWahahahaha! I remember that commercial, that was good. Too funny. Tip jar hit.

Im not saying hes a security risk. What i am saying is this:
1)He is a poor journalist, he only asks leading politically slanted questions that always cast the president in a positive light. Just because lefty journalists do this does not make it right.
2)At one point he made claims that suggested that he mave have had access to the Plame documents, unfortunatly Talon news erased all of his old columns.
3)The Bush administration has had some less than completly honest dealings with journalists before i.e. Armstrong Williams.
Cant you see why this story is such an inviting target to Kos?
The gay thing only matters because it hints that he may not be being completly honest with the public.

Hey, OCD amish: just let go of the keyboard. Just stop typing. You can do it. Just walk away.

Ace, when I opened your site and saw the new Death card, I nearly plotzed. I cackled like an idiot with a new squeak toy. You're the best.

He is a poor journalist, he only asks leading politically slanted questions that always cast the president in a positive light. Just because lefty journalists do this does not make it right.

OK, if that is the issue, is that why Kos headline was: Jeff Gannon aka Jim Guckert, and gay smut? Because he is a bad journalist? Is that why Kos was preaching that if the gay/sex/prostitute angle was what it took to get the public attention, that so be it?

The emphasis on Gannon/Guckert is all about smut, gay and prostitution. Although those claims have no real evidence to support them, that is what their discussions and glee are about.

Fuck Kos! Is my name Amish Kos? No. i dont give a damn what Kos or Willis or Malkin or Reynolds write. I made the points that i think are important. I still think that if the Lefties want to hunting for the truth behind this story they have every right.
the possibility that he is gay has no bearing on the story other than the fact that he may be misleading about it and the fact that the whitehouse vetting process didnt catch the fact he has porn domains registered in his name.
If Kos wants to do a story about the hypocracy of someone writing articles that condemn the gay lifestyle and thebn they turn out to be gay themselves- thats a different matter. They shouldnt automatically conclude he is working for the White House just because of that fact either. Thats would be a huge leap, but hey, their Libs- what else would you expect?

If Ace sees Jeff Gannon at CPAC, of coure, we can resolve this once and for all. All he has to do is walk up to him and go "The pseudonymous Jeff Gannon! How ya doin? How about we look at some of your much-ballyhooed gay porn you're alleged to have and then, perhaps, perform some anal intercourse?"

Ace, you didn't think that crazy blog money came without strings, did you? As a citizen journalist, it's your duty to get to the bottom of this.

you could just ask him if he likes Robert Frost and wink at him- if he doesnt punch you in the face we'll know that picture was photoshopped.

Hold on here! Let me get this straight Ace.

Yesterday you send me up to the hills peddling some end-is-nigh, doomsday scenario. Today you lure me and my cell out of hiding, out of our comfy caves, telling us there's nothing to Kos' or Atrios' stories?

And now you tell me the total extent of it is: there exists a reporter who has written anti-gay stuff in the past who may have acted inconsistently with that by working on webpages, never actually used, for a gay escort service, and that this same reporter was once given a WH press pass?

Oh.
My.
God.

(hands on hips, turns to face his cell)

GET BACK TO THE CAVES PEOPLE! IT'S WORSE THAN WE THOUGHT! RUN! RUN!!!!!!

GANNON!!!!!!!!!!!!! GANNON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> "For a little while, it protected my family from people who disagreed with me going after my family, but that was just a side consideration. I really wanted an easier name because people have gotten it wrong all of my life."

> "My mother and my brother and his wife in Pennsylvania were being harassed with phone calls and threats."

Yep, Gannon called that one!

I actually doubt we'll ever see any Gannon on Ace action See-Dub, no self-respecting gay guy would ever consider boinking Blossom.
Desire to do Blossom is solely restricted to desperate straight guys, and a small sect of kinky lesbians.

"Eddie Lives" doesn't come up too often in dscussion, so at this point I feel it incumbent upon to state that I feel Charlie "Sexy" Tanzie to be the greatest character in the history of modern fiction.

To those pursuing the question of Gannon's sexual orientation, I have two words:

Who.
Cares.

If he was a flagrant exhibitionist with naked pictures of himself as background art for a web site dedicated to the glowing testimonials of men he'd slept with, then that might indicate a certain lackadaisical approach to his own privacy and security, and a less-than-pristine adoption of traditional family values, but I really don't see why it automatically disqualifies him to stand in the rose garden and ask questions of the President, especially if he is, in fact, paid to write the the answers down. And, of course, there is zero-zip-no evidence that he set up any such site, nor, as far as I can tell, that he was anything other than a heterosexual male who, if he HAD a sexual-partner-testimonial website, would probably have designed it very tastefully.

Unless the man is not only a homosexual, but a dastardly traitorous homosexual of such unbelievable attractiveness and charisma that he was capable of seducing the president right there on camera, in front of the eyes of the nation, the First Lady, the First Daughters, and the First Dog, then calling into question his sexual orientation is just another tiresome attempt to score a political "point"...and make yourself look like a blathering knee-jerk hack in the process.

Forget Jeff Gannon for a minute - I just had the weirdest "celebrity" run in ever.... effing "Hobie" from Baywatch. LMFAO. Turns out my promoter friend knows this guy, and we were just partyin with him for a few hours at this club. LOL - SOOOOO random. The kid can breakdance like a mutha though - holy cow... And you guys shoulda seen the girls throwing themselves at this kid, they were even calling him "Hobie" - hehe. Very very weird.

Let's look at the score. Righty blogs - Rather + Jordan. Lefty blogs - Gannon. Oh no, they're cathcing up. Just like the Canadian navy is cathcing up to the US navy. You Americans better be afraid of us Canadians now. We went and bought ourselves 4 used Submarines from the Brits. An invasion is coming soon. As soon as we get the defective one fixed.

It's like a metaphor for how they're losing power in every important way.

The last three elections (including mid-term) should have taught them something but no.

They still think moving further to the left while lip-synching moderate ideas will actually work.

Because, you know, there's no evidence that this is a moderate nation, there was no such thing as Reagan Democrats, and easily-fooled Americans don't reflexively hate soci*alism when they experience it.

I'm sorry, was that OT?

Iblis,

"...Desire to do Blossom is solely restricted to desperate straight guys, and a small sect of kinky lesbians."

I am not desperate.

And, I have dated kinky lesbians, and the idea of "doing" Blossom never came up.

Not once.

I am so not desperate.

Not.

Blossom.

Methinks someone is protesting a tad too much.

This whole Gannon thing has been talked up one wall, across the ceiling and halfway down the other wall. Hopefully this post will help it ooze back down to ground level.

First, we must examine the unfortunate issues.

1.) I feel the need to begin by reiterating that the entirety of this affair arrives surrounded by a well-purveyed avalanche of journalistic corruption that has been admitted by all three currently known to have received tax payer money in exchange for propoganda. This is important not because it says anything at all about Mr. Guckert, but rather because it says some thing about the Bush administrations willingness (if not eagerness) to misappropriate mine and your tax dollars for the purpose of lying to us. (Prior to receiving his bribe, the black dude wrote some mean stuff about 'no child left behind.' 240k later, he's loving every underfunded sch -- i mean, every syllable of it.) It really doesn't help that this story also arrives in the wake of the VNR scandal, where in Bush broke a law that HIS OWN REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED CONGRESS PASSED in order to misuse tax payer dollars to create VNR (video news reels) masquerading as news reports (but actually filmed with actors in a studio) to help drum up support for his medicaid (i think - or was it medicare?) proposal (which was supposed to run $400 billion over ten years, but will run 550 - in addition to preventing our gov. from negotiating prices w/ prescription drug co.'s, a massive victory for Big Money all around). So, in order to understand the true gravity of this affair your must take a step back. Admire the canvess upon which these events are set. Realize that it's not all about one gay guy falling in love with the president so much as it is about the president rampantly abusing the media to conform your perceptions neatly in to his administrations world view using laughable 'journalism' paid for - and here's the stroke of evil genius - by the very saps he's indoctrinating.

2.) I'll touch on the Valerie Plame issue, but briefly. Imagine if these events unfolded during the Clinton administration. Let's say some rabid left wing nutcase who decided to publicly write about his personal problems with homosexuality and who defended Rick Santorum's analogy drawing similarities between homosexual behavior and
"man-on-dog sex" were to enter in to the white house press corp using a false name and lob the president soft ball questions. Now, let's assume for just a second that you're aware of the fact that when female journalists who write under their maiden names apply for even day passes (let alone permanent laminents, as several journalists have claimed to have witnessed gayboy with) they must use their married names. Their day passes and permanent laminents have their current, legal names on their. Fact of the matter is: YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED A PSEUDONYM IN THE WHITE HOUSE PRESS CORP. Let's also assume for a moment that you know it's virtually (if not simply) unheard of for a person to be declined Capitol Hill (senate and house) press passes, but to receive WHITE HOUSE PRESS CORP passes. Understand, one of these is more valuable than the other. Can you guess which it is, and why it's a little fishy that 'Mr. Gannon' had day passes labeling him as one Mr. Gannon? Having established these notions and presumed your knowledge of them, assume this guy who's tied to a rabidly partisan system propoganda dissemination (it's not a journalistic endeavor, don't kid your self) is routinely called upon by President Clinton and his Press Secretary to pull their tushes out of the blaze when the attack dogs get out of hand. Now ask yourself what a Republican Congress (that threw 32 FBI agents, or almost four times as many as were assigned to 9/11 investigations) at a stained dress would do if this individual even happened to sit down and read documents revealing the identity of an undercover CIA agent, receiving the opportunity to compromise her identity in his own privately owned website that operated free of CIA monitoring, double checking or involvement... regardless of whether or not Novak (who was, in fact told by the CIA not to mention a certain some one's name...) had already broken the story. Just imagine. In closing, the extent of Mr. Guckert's journalistic achievements are as follows: Successful graduation of the Leadership Institute Broadcast School of Journalism, a feat that set him back fifty bucks and one weekend. Kinda like the National Guard, except he didn't have to do it four weekends a month, twelve months a year in exchange for college benefits that you can't use after you've returned from Iraq wounded and have to apply for extensions on your health care/active duty status in order to rehabilitate yourself from that roadside bomb. Oh, and he didn't get flashbacks in return for glorifying the war our returning soldiers are campaigning to end, either. No, he was simply and excruciatingly underqualified and overpartisan commentator who is not and never was fit for the title of journalist. That's the biggy behind my number two. Who cares what he did or didn't know about Valerie Plame. He should've never been in that room to begin with.

3.) The accusations of military prostitution are a little troubling. Mr. Guckert has been accused of charing up to $1200 per night in exchange for 'escorting' members of the armed service. It's not a crime to 'escort' a member of the armed service, but selling prostitution to a member of the armed service is two crimes. That's why I personally think the matter should be not only placed on the table, but ruthlessly persued until verification is received either way. If you're going to start demolishing some one's life, either stick around to sweep up all the bricks or else knock down what walls you must - don't just rampantly swing your balls. *ahem* metaphorically speaking.

4.) On the matter of those URL's of Guckert's being bereft of content: I'd like it to be noted that ALL OF HIS ARTICLES HAVE BEEN DELETED. What in the everloving name of God makes you think the man would leave a URL promulgating homosexual prostitution to our nation's soldiers after he's been outted as a homosexual with no place in our White House's Press Corp? Christ. I mean, would you?

Sorry to have talked your ears off, but I just found out about this whole mess a few hours ago. What you're reading is more or less (more less than more) the culmination of everything I've unearthed on the matter. I hope more comes to light soon, but in the mean time, I simply hope this helps you all to understand exactly the importance of this scandal. Make no mistake, it ought to, by all rights be a scandal. There isn't a snowball's chance in hell of it ever receiving due publicity, but if you go to www.salon.com and do a search for "george w."+scandal, you ought to find the scandal sheet laden with at least a good twenty of them that you ever heard a breath about but would've buried Clinton's chances of re-election. Especially if it was just the activities of his first four years.

Take care.

Sorry, it was really late when i started that last post and I'd had a long day at work. some clarifications:

1.) Guckert wasn't paid by the Bush administration at all (he's not nationally syndicated, after all...). He was a freebie the administration used until some people caught on to the trend.
2.) Guckert was denied senate/house press passes, yet handed the white house pass on a golden platter, complete with some thing no one else has ever been allowed in side those walls - a fake name.

On a side note, yeah, I had some typos in there. Poke fun if you will, I'm too damned tired to care. 'Nite.

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