I have read similar comments from Allah on Hogonice, I wonder if he's really that cynical or if he just vents his spleen on the net.

Like I said in email to Allah:

Personally, I'd rather have a guy say to me "I'm just not into you because you have a fat ass" than a guy say something like "I'm just not ready for a commitment right now." But that's just me.

Heh. Allah knows a lot about men but he doesn't know diddly about women. Trust me, women can be just as shallow about looks than men are...and I'm pretty darn sure most men do NOT like that idea.

Later,
bbeck

That post is fun, but jesus, in the time it takes to bust out 1 response, 5 people have beat me to it. :(

Sounds like a whole lot of pent-up sexually frustrated people though.

Heh.

Do women want a guy to say what they want to hear, or do they prefer Allah's here's-the-truth-and-damn-the-consequences approach?

The former, obviously. It's because they so rarely get the truth that they're fascinated when someone gives it to them. And the only people capable of giving it to them are people with nothing to lose by doing so. Like me.

I am that cynical, laura. And bbeck: I know, man. Believe me, I know.

I wonder if he's really that cynical

NYC and LA are tough scenes. If you're not a millionaire who flaunts it, you're SOL for the "playboy hot" girls. But who the ef wants to date them anyway? I scoff at those dudes. I mean, HELLO, paris hilton sex tape aka. most boring thing ever.

Color me unimpressed.

Allah knows a lot about men but he doesn't know diddly about women.

Know diddly? Or knows not how to diddle?

For some reason men have never responded well to me telling them to shut up and get in the kitchen and bake me some pie. Why is that? I have cookbooks and everything.

Whoops, forgot to answer the question...

"Do women want a guy to say what they want to hear, or do they prefer Allah's here's-the-truth-and-damn-the-consequences approach?"

Jeepers, if Allah was TELLING the truth I'd rather hear it.

Which brings me to this question; what exactly did he say that was anything new? He basically said that men will happily boink a chick that is not physically repulsive regardless of personality. Uh, yeah, thanks for the newsflash, pal, but I think everyone who's experienced puberty knows that.

What he also said, however, is that women are turned on more by personality and money. I know, a lot of men like to believe that, but it just isn't true in this context. Yeah, men are going to bang Teri Polo if they get the chance. And women are going to bang Mel Gibson if they get the chance...not because he's rich or he has some funny sense of humor, but because he's currently the hottest man on the planet. Sorry, you're not going to see women rubbernecking when Fat Albert walks in wearing a Rolex, but you would certainly see a few ladies' heads turn when the right man in Levi's walks by. Conversely, there would be no way on God's green Earth I'd be eyeing Donald Trump, Michael Moore, or (as cited) Bill Gates because they're loaded, and I think that's true for the majority of chicks.

Do you know why women DON'T list the physical as an attribute they look for when asked? It's not because it's not important, but they view the question asked in a different context than men do. Men view the question, "What do you find attractive?" as "Who would you want to bang?" but women take it as a question about who they'd want to be in a relationship with. If you were to specify and ask women the Bang question, you'd get "Someone HOT" as an answer because in THAT context, money just doesn't get the job done.

Can personality, education, and/or prosperity overcome physical drawbacks? Of course. Shoot, I've seen plenty of chicks scoring who weren't very good-looking but they had a certain, um, casual attitude that appealed to men. Like it or not, the physical can take a back seat for BOTH sexes. Men can fall in love with women they didn't find hot initially and vice versa.

Now, if you're asking what each gender looks for in a long term relationship, then men look for sexual prowess/homemaking skills and women look for stability/money. But that's a different question altogether and shouldn't be confused with what makes someone attractive enough to jump on.

Later,
bbeck

Why the hell would i listen to a blogger to get sex tips?
Does anybody really want to hear any tips from Oliver Willis on how to eat a "Filet-O-Fish" sandwich?

Allah, no disrespect intended in either of my above posts, man. You're still Aces (so to speak) in my book.

Later,
bbeck

amish,

the problem is that O-Chub actually knows something about filet o' fishes

you're not making sense

on a related note- i would never date a woman who was political enough to start a blog. Unless she had really big boobs...

bbeck,

Allah's point (i think) was that women would jump Bill Gates in a second if he showed up at the door.

This presupposes one major thing:

1) the women know Gates is rich

His complaint (if I read it right) was that women can actually find wealth attractive in and of itself if they know about it first.

For men, that's not the case. The slutty waitress at Denny's can cause loin-stirring in most guys just by walking by. (so long as one doesn't see the bruises or the missing dentition)

So in the 2 dimentional world of pixel-generated nudy pictures (and in looking across the bar), men go for teh hawtness.

In the real world, which Allah unfortunately seems to have to find a date, cash is king with the ladies.

That about right, moongod?

i would jump Bill gates in a second if he showed up at my door. I would ride his ass like Vinny Falcone for a couple of billion dollars...

Hey amish, what if he wanted to ride your ass... in exchange for dinner?

Heh.

First- Atomic, yes I have big breasts.

Second- I don't know if this is relevant, but just because some smoking hot babe marries the rich man, doesn't mean she isn't banging the pool boy. And, he -his secretary.

I've participated (in all these debates), but really is this at all relevant? I mean, losers who marry for looks or money, are gonna end up divorced w/in 5 or 10 years anyway.

Allah is pretty cynical, but this discussion doesn't really matter outside of getting laid in a bar on a friday night (unless, of course, you want to insure you'll eventually get divorced.)

fatkid you can ride my ass for free...

http://www.burschenschaft-mardorf.de/donkey.jpg

that is what we were talkind about right?

Why the hell would i listen to a blogger to get sex tips?

Bloggers get laid, man. Every, you know, year or two.

But it's like riding a bicycle. For exactly three seconds.

Does anybody really want to hear any tips from Oliver Willis on how to eat a "Filet-O-Fish" sandwich?

Bad analogy. Dude, if you want tips on eating Filet-O-Fish sandwiches (or, as I call 'em, Fishammiches), then O-Dub is your man. There simply is no higher authority.

bbeck, if I ever got a chance, I would never bang Mel Gibson. But, I will bang my bf anytime I get a chance. He's not rich, but I like him. He might not be handsome to other women (good), but to me, he's hot. And yes, he's intelligent. I find all this women look for this/men look for that, business, silly. I'm not singling out what you wrote, just the topic. I think this generalizing is nonsense.

Hey amish - you got a purty mouf

why the hell do you guys think i put "Fillet-o Fish" in quote marks? Is this NRO? If you guys cant pick up on a juvenile double entendre like that i really dont think i need any sex advice from you. Go back and read it again while pretending your a freshmen in high school.

Carin - ive just fired my pool boy.

Wait, or was that your ass?

(Oh god this convo has spiraled down the drain)

Amish,-there's always the lawn boy ... and he's really cute. All that pushing ... and sweat ... (I gotta excuse myself.)

Carin,

This thread is useless without pics (of your busom)

what the hell is a busom?-her cat?

Michelle said: 'Personally, I'd rather have a guy say to me "I'm just not into you because you have a fat ass" than a guy say something like "I'm just not ready for a commitment right now." But that's just me.'

The movie "Tootsie" made fun of this supposed preference women have for "honesty." If I remember right, Dustin Hoffman got a drink in the face for telling a woman he wanted to sleep with her -- after being lead to believe that's just what she wanted to hear. She didn't.

The truth is, if tomorrow men began spurning women in the manner that Michelle seems to prefer, the homicide rate would jump ten points overnight.

you know youve strayed off course when the thread drifts to "show me your tits". if only the other posters had the integrity and heart of the fatkid and I.

so howbout it Carin?

Thanks amish, that's the first time anyone ever said i had "integrity" (what is that by the way?)

Ace, you should imitate this weird jazzy acid trip spoken word show they have. This is a huge lead-in for the "grateful dead" demographic.

Shit, just ended.

busom is what I type when I just don't give a shit and am distracted by the thought of buxom bosoms

My hubby keeps telling me I'll see my blog take -off when I put a boobie picture on the front. But, hasn't that been "done" ... I'd hate to be a follower.

Thing is... I really don't think she looks all that good to begin with. She looked Boy George competing in a bodybuilding contest in the photo from the premiere. The rest of the argument becomes moot when I can't accept the initial premise, y'know?

Carin,

One never tires of the classics

(and btw I'm 100% kidding. I'm not making ace's into some cheap cybersex hole. my comment was just another lame Fark-joke. more a comment about how all these discussions end up in the same place of juvenile male wishes to see different boobies)

...yeah...yeah...i was just kidding too....really...

amish,

you can't really expect a random person to show you a pic of her tits, can you?

if you need a fix, go to collegehumor.com and look for the erection election pages (girls sending in pics of their boobs in favor of particular candidates). All the titties you can take, from college aged chicks at that.

The classics, lol ... too funny. Eventually, perhaps I'll put a tasteless - I MEAN TASTEFUL picture up. Yes, a nice tasteful picture of my breasts. I swear, it's my hubby that wants me to. Why are men like that? 'Hey, here's my wife - aren't her breasts great?'

How come nobody's asking the obvious question: Michele, does this mean you have a fat ass?

Allah needs to move the fuck out of New York, even just for a year or so. Just to rehydrate.

Hobgoblin, yes I know what was being said. That's why I said Allah didn't know much about women. We do not sit around at Tupperware parties talking about how much we wish Bill Gates would show up at our door so we could "invite him in," so to speak. Money does NOT automatically make a man sexy except parhaps to goldiggers, and they're not quite the female majority.

OTOH, I've had plenty of discussions about how we wish Sean Connery would show up at the door impoverished and in need of new clothes...

I married my husband back when he was hot, intelligent, talented, funny, and poor. But, IMO, he had the most important quality to be found in a spouse: responsibility. Now, 20 years later, he's hotter, more intelligent, more talented, funnier, and unpoor. There's a difference between what's attractive in a mate and what's important, although both are vital ingredients in a good relationship.

I would agree that a man who has money is a BONUS but it's not a deal maker/breaker. And, I'm sure men don't care at all if women have money. That's the difference 'tween the two attitudes there.

Later,
bbeck

We do not sit around at Tupperware parties talking about how much we wish Bill Gates would show up at our door so we could "invite him in,

J/K. :P

Fat kid, you may be right. I haven't been to a Tupperware party in YEARS.

:P

Later,
bbeck

Here's one way women can discover how attractive they are. If your husband or SO tells someone, without prompting or threats, "When you have steak at home, you don't have to sneak out for Krystal burgers", then you are very attractive indeed. And fortunate, as is he.

I've had plenty of discussions about how we wish Sean Connery would show up at the door impoverished and in need of new clothes...

In need of new clothes or just clothes? Because I think the later occurs more often than you think. ;-)

Julie, lol. I'll let you know if it ever happens to ME.

Later,
bbeck

Maybe the Bond-era Sean Connery. Rowrrr

Otherwise, blech. Too old now. What are you gonna do, play connect-the-liver-spots? And his beard is nasty. Damn I hate a nasty beard.

If you ever get your hands on him ladies, shave that dead possum off his face.

Sorry, was this completely OT?

bbeck/lauraw:

I had a friend who worked for one of his production companies. She complained that she wd arrive in the mornings, enter her trailer, switch on the lights, and find Mr. Connery raiding the fridge in his underwear. Nothing lecherous; more grandpa-ish.

"Do women want a guy to say what they want to hear, or do they prefer Allah's here's-the-truth-and-damn-the-consequences approach?"

Depends on the question. I've been dieting/exercising for two weeks, & anyone who wants to say I look like I've lost weight wins brownie points with me. Lie if you must!! Use your imagination!!

Generally, I'll tell a man when he is to lie to me and what lie he is to say.

Otherwise, the truth is preferred. If I find out a man has lied except when instructed to (by me), he simply ceases to exist as far as I'm concerned.

I would not describe it as a "here's-the-truth-and-damn-the-consequences approach." It's more of a "I 've- been -burned-so-I'm-taking-it-out-on-others approach."

I'm with Michele. I've actually lost interest in a guy because he got fatter, despite having been overweight all of my life. You want what you want, what's wrong with being honest about it?