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January 14, 2005
Outstanding History of, and Defense of, Bush "Torture" PolicyIt didn’t take long for interrogators in the war on terror to realize that their part was not going according to script. Pentagon doctrine, honed over decades of cold-war planning, held that 95 percent of prisoners would break upon straightforward questioning. Interrogators in Afghanistan, and later in Cuba and Iraq, found just the opposite: virtually none of the terror detainees was giving up information—not in response to direct questioning, and not in response to army-approved psychological gambits for prisoners of war. Absolutely, without reservation, Read the Whole Thing. More: Even more than Afghanistan, Guantánamo dissipated any uncertainty the detainees might have had about the consequences of noncooperation. Consistent with the president’s call for humane treatment, prisoners received expert medical care, three culturally appropriate meals each day, and daily opportunities for prayer, showers, and exercise. They had mail privileges and reading materials. Their biggest annoyance was boredom, recalls one interrogator. Many prisoners disliked the move from Camp X-Ray, the first facility used at the base, to the more commodious Camp Delta, because it curtailed their opportunities for homosexual sex, says an intelligence analyst. The captives protested every perceived infringement of their rights but, as in Afghanistan, ignored any reciprocal obligation. They hurled excrement and urine at guards, used their blankets as garrotes, and created additional weapons out of anything they could get their hands on—including a sink wrenched off a wall. Guards who responded to the attacks—with pepper spray or a water hose, say—got punished and, in one case, court-martialed. This isn't the Knightsbridge Ladies Bridge Auxilliary we're dealing with here, guys. And More... Gitmo personnel disagreed sharply over what tools interrogators could legally use. The FBI took the most conservative position. When a bureau agent questioning Mohamedou Ould Slahi—a Mauritanian al-Qaida operative who had recruited two of the 9/11 pilots—was getting nothing of value, an army interrogator suggested, “Why don’t you mention to him that conspiracy is a capital offense?” “That would be a violation of the Convention Against Torture,” shot back the agent—on the theory that any covert threat inflicts “severe mental pain.” Never mind that district attorneys and police detectives routinely invoke the possibility of harsh criminal penalties to get criminals to confess. Federal prosecutors in New York have even been known to remind suspects that they are more likely to keep their teeth and not end up as sex slaves by pleading to a federal offense, thus avoiding New York City’s Rikers Island jail. Using such a method against an al-Qaida jihadist, by contrast, would be branded a serious humanitarian breach. Ridiculous. "Tantamount to torture"? Give me a break. The peaceniks/terrorist-coddlers call even the most humane of "harsh" interrogation techniques a denigration of American values. Well, I disagree. To not employ some "harsh" techniques is stupid and suicidal, and stupidity and a longing for national suicide are not the sort of American values I wish to champion. I recognize, however, that these "values" do have their admirers in broad swaths of the leftish-leaning public. I don't expect Excitable Andy to get interested. Right now he's taken a sudden and all-consuming interest in the Great Liberator. Why? Who knows. Maybe he just really likes the Gettysburg Address. posted by Ace at 02:18 PM
CommentsThat's gob-smackingly vile. Posted by: Andrew Sullivan on January 14, 2005 02:20 PM
*shakes head in disgust* Let's be honest: We're a nation of pussies. Posted by: fat kid on January 14, 2005 02:33 PM
Yes, snivelling little Andy Sullivan is already on the case, in TNR and elsewhere. However, he ISN'T offended. Posted by: The Boyfriend and the Beagle on January 14, 2005 02:57 PM
The Geneva Convention is a fossil. General Francis Marion, the 'Swamp Fox' of South Carolina, would hit the British forces with snipers and guerilla tactics, and then melt back into the swamps before the Redcoats could form their skirmish lines. The Redcoats considered these attacks uncouth and cowardly, and refused to adapt their strategies to these highly successful, but in their minds less than honorable tactics. Posted by: Uncle Jefe on January 14, 2005 03:11 PM
Our populace has a romantic notion that war is like the movies: We do the "honorable" things always, "they" are always evil. Unfortunately, humanity has taken a vacation lately, and to fight the new "evil ones", one has to do what is necessary short of physical violence or death to get the information needed to save more lives. There is no opponent more sure of his righteousness than a religious fanatic, and few as determined as the one who knows his enemy is a Satan. We do not, cannot lower ourselves to his (lack of) standards. We do not, however, have to make him more comfortable in his incarceration than many of us are when vacationing. Let the military do its job, and stay out of the way. Posted by: Carlos on January 14, 2005 03:28 PM
For God's sake, dont tell Sullivan the Gitmo prisoners like gay sex. Posted by: Moonbat_One on January 14, 2005 04:23 PM
I think the real question to ask is: what kind of pyjamas was Heather wearing when she wrote that? Posted by: ........................ on January 14, 2005 05:42 PM
This makes me extremely angry, which I suppose was the point. A couple of years without an attack on our soil, and we're already back to the same Church Committee bullshit that put us in this hole to start with. Have we learned nothing? Posted by: someone on January 14, 2005 05:50 PM
I'm all for hurling buckets of pig blood. Posted by: Sailor Kenshin on January 14, 2005 08:08 PM
I'm still amazed by how many news reports seem to believe that "tantamount" is synonymous with "the same as". Can we raise some cash to send these people dictionaries? Posted by: Jimmie on January 14, 2005 11:45 PM
I'm all for serenading the prisoners with Metallica! You can't blame the guy for crying though...lots of people thought that was the voice f Satan.... Posted by: lauraw on January 15, 2005 11:43 AM
"That's gob-smackingly vile." Actually, Sullivan, what's gob-smackingly vile is the left's eagerness to throw all of civilization under a bus for the sake of booking terrorists into virtual Club Meds. Posted by: Sailor Kenshin on January 15, 2005 08:20 PM
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