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December 27, 2004

The Silence of the Left

Via Instapundit, this trenchant observation about the left's continuing lack of interest in democracy and freedom:

But what I noticed was not a story that everybody was linking to and commenting on, but one that was going for the most part unnoticed: the election in Ukraine.
I went to The Washington Monthly, Tom Paine, The New Republic, Joshua Marshall, even Atrios, among several others. Nothing. Only DailyKos bothered to mention it, and then with a dismissive "We've been here before."

What's up with the left? I would think that this is the exact kind of thing to get the liberal blood going. It's certainly brightening my day. I know that this is Christmas week and there is the temptation to take it a little easy between now and the end of the year, but what we have witnessed in Ukraine this past month has to be one of the biggest stories of the year.

We have witnessed, in a former Soviet satellite not only a peaceful revolution and vote, but an event which will have long-range ramifications for Europe, Russia, the US and in fact the world. Russian political reach has been hampered as speculation is already running on the possibility of Ukraine's accession to the EU. Soft support by the United States and European countries showed not only that principled, moral support can propel a people towards self-rule, but demonstrated that America and Europe can still work together on the big issues.

The thousands shivering in makeshift tents in Kiev's Independence Square epitomized the best impulses of human yearning to be free, to choose leaders and to do it justly and peacefully.

...

I'm starting to believe that the modern left is not interested in the march of freedom and democracy so much as heaping petty spite and hateful condescension on the rebellious children of a long-lamented deceased empire. There is a certain nostalgia for the old Soviet Union, to be sure. Throughout the eastern half of Ukraine and into pockets of former client states, tears are still shed for Mother Russia and the Great Soviet Experiment. Kazakstan still considers itself to be "a Soviet Republic" and then there's Turkmenistan, home to Turkmenbashi, the Last of the Red Hot Dictators. But what about the left in the west?

It's an uncharitable interpretation, to be sure. But can someone on the left provide a more charitable one?

It's a curious thing. I will concede that the left probably is interested in freedom and democracy. The problem is, that interest seems to be subordinate to rooting against US interests, and when the two come into conflict, it's the latter impulse that wins out.

The result? As Jonathan "The Duke" Mardukas said of John Wesley Walsh, "You have only two modes of expression: silence, and rage." (To which observation Walsh raged silently, of course.)

posted by Ace at 02:11 PM

Comments

I will concede that the left probably is interested in freedom and democracy.

Don't be so hasty, Ace. Let's examine some proof, first.

Cordially...

Posted by: Rick on December 27, 2004 02:19 PM

FWIW, I did hear extensive reporting on the Ukraine elections this weekend on NPR ("National Pinko Radio") news.

Posted by: Alex on December 27, 2004 02:32 PM

If you can think rationally for a moment and try to avoid making a joke about how weak the left and French are, you can actually see that the left DOES care.
Maybe its not good for your schtick to admit the left cares about freedom and democracy. But its true. 56 million + voters cared enough 2 months ago.

I am beginning to see why the US is going to remain a divided country for the foreseeable future. Its because there are many people like you who wear your philosophical/political sunglasses that blind you from understanding the POV of the left. They are not a bunch of tree hugging, cry baby sissies who don't care about freeing oppressed nations and the democratic process. Just like the right is not a bunch of gun toting war mongers who want to destroy the environment.

Posted by: Ryan on December 27, 2004 02:45 PM

Ryan, I'm guessing your preferred mode would be "rage."

Posted by: Rocketeer67 on December 27, 2004 03:05 PM

They're a buncha damn commies, of course they don't care about Democracy. At least not for the past 40 years.

Posted by: blaster on December 27, 2004 03:52 PM

While you Republicans are mired in the war for democracy we are doing quite well, thank you, in the fight against Christmas and the Boy Scouts.

Posted by: Robert on December 27, 2004 04:12 PM

I am ENRAGED.............grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

Posted by: Ryan on December 27, 2004 04:28 PM

Can you do "silent" too?

Posted by: Rocketeer67 on December 27, 2004 04:31 PM

Yes Rockette69. Yes I can. Will I? Ummm.....no. That would make me one of those lefties who "don't care" and will let humorless righties like you keep them down.

Posted by: Ryan on December 27, 2004 04:44 PM

Well at least you're not pigeonholing us humorless righties, Ryan.

(Wait...'Gun-toting warmongers'....you say that like its a bad thing.)

Posted by: lauraw on December 27, 2004 05:07 PM

Me, I'm not humorless. I laugh. When it's funny. That "Rockette69" comment? An example of "not funny," and I even have an overgrown self-deprecation gland. I guess you get points for a really strained attempt, though, but it's just because I'm in a generous mood.

Try to buck up, and remember it's not me or anyone else on the right that keeps the left down, buddy. No need, when Dems keep pointing their noses at the ground and putting the throttle through the firewall themselves.

Cheers, and good for you for Caring, for Fighting the Valiant Fight, for Standing Up To the Man, and Refusing to Let Him Keep You Down.

Posted by: Rocketeer67 on December 27, 2004 05:17 PM

Ryan, the first line of Ace's commentary was a request to someone on the left to provide an example, some proof that the left does in fact care about freedom and democracy. I'm not saying that there isn't any, but the fact that a bunch of people voted for a dem dosen't really answer the question. Find an example of where someone on the hard left, not even wacko left but dedicated left, that shows more of an interest in international democracy than in forwarding their european-style socialist agenda.

Don't just rant about stereotypes, provide some evidence that the stereotype is wrong.

Posted by: francisthegreat on December 27, 2004 06:07 PM

I think a reason that the second election in the Ukraine is going for the most part unnoticed is that it's a success story. No telegraphed, or blogged, reports of outrageous malfeasance with pleas for help; it was a democratic vote that went nicely democratically. Of course we responded, helpfully, we hoped, to tens of (hundreds of?) thousands of pro-democracy protestors in round one; in round two, what's to respond to? All's well in hand, they voted like we do. "Yawn" is a highly meaningful response, and it would be great if no catastrophe shakes us out of that.

Posted by: m on December 27, 2004 07:14 PM

Face it, anyone who is a leftist in this day and age is a total bleeping idiot. I only swing left to get laid. Other than that, rationally, I crap on lefties.

Posted by: leftyparnone on December 27, 2004 07:24 PM

The problem with the Red Left in America today is the same problem the Whites (Czarists) had in Russia up until 1920: They were so busy being against their enemies that they didn't spend any time being for their own principles. Hell, neither group, when pressed, is capable of enunciating and defending the principles on which their politics are based.

The results for both movements will be the same, although in not quite as brutal a fashion, this time around.

Posted by: Mr. Bowen on December 27, 2004 10:50 PM

"Maybe its not good for your schtick to admit the left cares about freedom and democracy. But its true. 56 million + voters cared enough 2 months ago." - Ryan

I thought most of those were "Democrats". You mean they were all Leftists?

Heh. So much for "the Left not representing all Democrats", huh?

"the right is not a bunch of gun toting war mongers who want to destroy the environment" - Ryan

Are too.

Who's been spreading those vicious and unwarranted slanders saying we're not? (00) You take that back right now, y'heah? ;]

*yawn* I'll belive that Leftists believe in freedom and liberty when they actually start supporting it rather than always backing the most anti-libertarian political agendas they can in the name of "Rights". Or the Democrat Party goes the way of the Know Nothings. Til then...

Damn right the US is going to remain a divided country for the foreseeable future. Ya'll got nuthin' I care to unite with.

Posted by: Ironbear on December 27, 2004 10:54 PM

I hear where Ryan is coming from. But I get the feeling he doesn't want to do the work it takes to show you what you want to see. I am also too lazy to give you the prrof you need. But logic tells me that people on the left do care. Many of them are fighting wars for us right now.

Posted by: Ranger on December 28, 2004 10:00 AM

Yeah, if by "many" you mean "around 25%". Sheesh.

Posted by: Mr. Bowen on December 28, 2004 11:45 AM

i have a liberal friend who was an election observer (along with several other liberals, no conservatives) in the first ukraine election. they all went back for the most recent election. she says she didn't meet an american conservative over there. she also works at a democracy promotion organization that monitors democratic elections the world over; to her knowledge, there isn't a conservative person in the place.

maybe you don't hear liberals talking so much about this stuff because they're actually out there doing it instead of blowing hot air.

Posted by: catherine on December 28, 2004 10:31 PM

Wow. Do you mean to say that maybe there are democrats/liberals/lefties out there who care? I am flabergasted. I can't believe its true. According to all Ihave read only republicans/conservatives/righties gave a damn.

Maybe they both do? Hmmmm

Posted by: Ryan on December 29, 2004 10:09 AM

I didn't say that I don't think that there is anyone on the left that cares. I happen to think that there is. But coming in here and whining like a bitch isn't the same as "coherent argument", which is what I was trying to draw out. Ryan, unfortunatly, appears to prefer to keep whining. Catherine, that's a good example, but I was looking more for someone in a leadership/high-profile position.

Posted by: francisthegreat on December 29, 2004 06:13 PM

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Correction: I wrote that Labour is losing 88% (now 87%) of the seats it is "defending." I think that's wrong. The right way to say it is the seats they are contesting -- that is, they don't necessarily already hold these seats, but they have put up a candidate to run for the seat. It's still very bad but not as bad as losing 87% of the seats they already held.

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🚨ED MILIBAND [a Minister in Starmer's government] SAYS KEIR STARMER WILL RESIGN AS PRIME MINISTER

He has reportedly reassured Labour MP's that Starmer will be resigning following the disastrous results tonight

It's over

"The end of the two party system in the UK" as first the Fake Conservatives and now Labour chooses political suicide rather than simply STOPPING THE INVASION
Incidentally, the only reason this didn't already happen in the US is because of the Very Bad Orange Man (who is right on 85% of all policy calls and extremely, existentially right on 15% of them)

No political party that is NOT also a doomsday religious cult would EVER choose a cataclysmic loss -- and possible extinction as a party -- to support a toxically unpopular favoritism of NON-CITIZEN ILLEGAL MIGRANTS over actual citizen voters.

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Cataclysmic

Update: They've now lost 88% of the seats they're defending. As I mentioned earlier, I think I heard that London will not bail them out, as many of those Labour seats will probably flip to "Muslim Independent" or Green. Detroit's 5am vote will not save them.

Yup, Labour is losing 80% of its seats...

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br> If this continues, Keir Starmer will be out of office next week.

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Wow, up to 1700-2100 seats. It's not incredible that this is happening. It's incredible that the Davos crowd is so absolutely determined to privilege Muslim "migrants" over the actual native population who elects them, no matter how loudly the natives scream that they want to be prioritized, that they will gladly self-extinguish as a party rather than simply representing the interests of their own voters. Astonishing.
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STARMERGEDDON: In early returns, Reform gains 135 seats, Labour loses 90, the Fake Conservatives lose 36 (and I didn't even know they could fall any further), the Lib Dems lose 4, and the Greens gain 6. Note that the only other party gaining seats is the Greens and they're only gaining a handful of seats.
Update: Reform now up 145, Labour down 98.
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Brutal: In four out of five council seats where Labour is defending, they've lost. 80%.
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