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November 08, 2004

Muslim Elementary School Bombed in the Netherlands

Apparently just a door was damaged, thankfully. It's suspected the bombing was a retaliation for the Van Gogh slaughter.

Terrorism only "works" to the extent that you are butchering people who won't just butcher you back. It relies on your opponent having a greater sense of morality, restraint, and decent respect for human life than you do.

I do not applaud terrorism of any kind. But those who have made murder their religion should bear in mind that at some point there will be people who decide that two can play at that game.

You're not "brave warriors." You are soulless, cowardly murderers whose power, such as it may be, comes from the fact that you have forfeited your humanity to become murderous animals.

That's not a difficult trick. And you may end up finding that your viciousness in turn makes others similarly forfeit their own humanity. And then one of these days a bomb might go off that ends up killing children you actually have some amount of human empathy for.

Not a threat. It's a caution. There does come a point at which the rule of law and ordered justice is pushed aside for the justice of the mob and the vengeance of the vigilante.

It's happened before. It can happen again.

See-Dubya's Not Convinced:

Do we know this wasn't a Reichstag job? I'm reserving judgment on this one until I hear for sure it wasn't a sympathy plea.

Well, similar things have happened before, certainly.


posted by Ace at 05:04 PM
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Do we know this wasn't a Reichstag job? I'm reserving judgment on this one until I hear for sure it wasn't a sympathy plea.

Posted by: See-Dubya on November 8, 2004 05:07 PM

This was at LGF too. I was a little ticked off to see people applauding it - and said so.

So in three days I been called a filthy hippie twice and a right-wing bastard once. Need to balance that out somehow...

Posted by: Pixy Misa on November 8, 2004 05:29 PM

Ace--

You want to talk about bombs? I'll give you a bomb.

http://garfieldridge.blogspot.com/2004/11/why-i-love-air-force.html

Man, there are days I sure love my employer. Sure beats working for Wal-Mart.

Cheers,
Dave

Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge on November 8, 2004 05:38 PM

I'm with See-Dub on this. It's a little too convenient how it allows the usual Leftist suspects to tee up the argument that there's equivalent violence between islamofascists and conservatives, and in the way it helps the Left whip up a phony oppression scare against a key constituency.

How long before we hear some Euroweenie just, you know, sort of wonder out loud if there may have been Jews involved?

Posted by: Lastango on November 8, 2004 05:40 PM

Couldn't agree with you more Ace. One day, god forbid, if they realize their dreams and detonate a nuclear weapon in Manhattan or Washington,DC what will be the reaction of the American people? In the wake of 9/11 I dont remember too many cases of Muslims being attacked as retaliation. In fact most of the cases you heard about ended up being hoaxes. What happens when 300,000 or 3,000,000 people die? Will the people of the US be content to go after just the terrorists who did it and maybe any state that gave them aid? My guess is that someone will come along and make a convincing case that any country where jihad is openly preached by clerics to the masses and where money flows to support the terrorists worldwide will become a target. In other words all muslim countries will be seen as our enemies and God help them if in our grief we decide that not 1 more American will die because of their cult of hate and choose the nuclear option to deal with them. What happens if in our fear and sadness we forget that we are the good guys and respond with all the ferocity we can muster. Who could imagine the damage we could do? Cairo, Damascus, Amman, Tehran, Mecca all gone in a blink of an eye. What a futile war they are waging, they cannot win and the more success they have the more likely it is they will call down upon their people a wrath like the world has never known. Best that we deal with them now before we are faced with that dilemma.

Posted by: Big E on November 8, 2004 05:44 PM

I have to echo See-Dub too.
Anyone want to give me the odds on what group would be most likely to possess explosives anywhere in Europe? I seem to recall that Theo's killers have been linked the the Spanish train bombers. Wait a minute, I think there's a clue here if we only look deeply enough.

Posted by: Joe Mama on November 8, 2004 06:00 PM

should have read "linked TO the Spanish train bombers." (rented fingers)

Dave: a 30,000# bomb? Delivered by Air Freight? H.E. is at it's limit, we have reached the point of rapidly diminishing returns.
This is why we need to press ahead with those mini-nuke bunker busters. At least we could get those on the Express flights.

Posted by: Joe Mama on November 8, 2004 06:07 PM

The choice of targeting a school rather than a militant mosque sounds more like a Kerri Dunn sympathy plea than what an actual angry European would do.

Joe Mama, I recall that the Madrid bombers got their explosives by trading hash to miners in Spain. If we see follow up that indicates the type of explosives are used in mining, it ought to make this view a tiny bit more likely.

But I am reserving judgment, as I said, and I should make clear that whoever bombed a school ought to be in jail for fifteen or twenty years. If they had killed kids doing it, they ought to be hanged.

If there are arrests, Ace or whoever, please blog the story in case we miss it.

Posted by: See-Dubya on November 8, 2004 06:12 PM

Pixy, you right wing bastard.

Brass once again restores balance to the world.

Posted by: Brass on November 8, 2004 06:13 PM

Pixy, you're a hippie!

Nyah nyah!

Posted by: zetetic on November 8, 2004 07:51 PM

Damn you zetetic!

Now I'll have to go taunt some liberals to restore my karma...

Posted by: Pixy Misa on November 8, 2004 09:24 PM

The usual truth-tellers are thick on the ground in Holland.


Posted by: Lastango on November 8, 2004 09:41 PM

The other Reichstaggy element is: how many Dutch people have high explosives lying around and know how to use it?

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