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October 25, 2004

The Story: Kerry's Claims of Meeting UNSC Members Denied

Although there was a lot of blogosphere buzz around this story; I figured it wasn't a huge story because you don't use the alternative media to generate buzz for a huge story. You use the alternative media to generate buzz for a kinda important story.

Bill from INDC has the best take on the story, I think. It's not the stake in Kerry's heart, but it's not a yawn either. If we're less than excited by the story, it's largely just because we've come to expect Kerry to lie about matters big and small, trivial and grave.


posted by Ace at 01:32 AM
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Thank you and exactly. It's not monstrous, but it's not inconsequential, either.

Posted by: Bill from INDC on October 25, 2004 01:36 AM

Unfortunately, the source is also the Washington Times. I don't doubt that the story is true because the likelihood that all the diplomats from the UNSC would have held a private meeting with the junior, minority senator from MA in 2002 to inform him how likely they were to "mean business" with Saddam is small.

At best, he met with a couple of guys and then exaggerated (cf. his embellished trip to Iraq post Gulf War I).

Nevertheless, the source means that the story can be pooh-poohed with "Buncha Moonies." It's pretty obvious that between now and election day the mainstream media is going to give the LA Times versus Schwarzenegger treatment to Bush, so they'll be much to busy to deal with this until it's "old news" and "not important anyway."

In other words, I see the usual three-prong liberal media plan for shit-canning that which they do not wish to address.

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos on October 25, 2004 01:41 AM

The headline of this story should read: UN Challenges John Kerry's Credibility. If the defunct UN, John Kerry's favorite group, comes out and challenges his credibility, then that's news. Please don't get lost on "John Kerry is a liar" when the story is about who's making the charge.

Posted by: conservativepoet on October 25, 2004 01:45 AM

Hey, a DUI was not monstrous, and was very not-inconsequential in the last election! No telling what impact this might have.

We shouldn't fall into the trap of wanting the big hammer blow. It ain't there. If John Kerry had body parts in his fridge it would have come out by now. If there was a picture of him peeing on the flag while feeling up Jane Fonda--woulda come out. I'd love the vindication of an enormous, up-yours buddy boo-ya October Surprise buttwhippin'. One that somehow showed our guy to be virtue incarnate and their guy to be a wretched bed-wetting criminal. But it ain't gonna happen, no more than the other side will be treated to a picture of Bush being naughtily spanked by Ken Lay in the Lincoln Bedroom.

We know Kerry's weak, vacillating, dishonest, and ambitious beyond his talent. We know his ideas are screwy and will expose us to danger and roll back the progress we've made.

We know Bush is decisive and cut taxes and is full-steam ahead on killing terrorists and smashing Islamofascism. And the bad guys are afraid of him.

That's all we need. That's all anybody ought to need.

These stories are just confirmation of that truth. And every one of them helps.

Posted by: See Dubya on October 25, 2004 02:04 AM

I agree with Dubya. This story will hurt Kerry but is not a knock out blow, still it is something we need to push on. The UN is saying this guy is a liar and didn't meet with the security council. It is bigger them most people are giving it credit for. Yes, MSM will try to sweep it, that is what they do. Our job is to not let them do it.

Posted by: Carl on October 25, 2004 03:27 AM

you need to push allot on this one.
if you need the washington times to make a point then you are indeed in trouble.

What about those misleading claims in the "wolves" commercials?

Twisting the truth around 9/11 by now ok with you?

Posted by: Sam Miller on October 25, 2004 03:50 AM

Ultimately, this is a non-starter. The MSM will never pick it up, and it is no big deal to the average American. Americans are the world's worst at forgiving a little lying among politicians. "Kerry lied. Big deal. He's a politician" is the general attitude.

When you look at the polling numbers that show that the sentiment among Kerry voters is more anti-Bush than pro-Kerry, this won't change their minds. A few people might be swayed but not many.

Things like this will Kerry's credibilty in the international community should he be elected. He doesn't worry about that. He just wants to win the election.

Posted by: Steve L. on October 25, 2004 08:29 AM

I agree: it's an interesting story, but not worthy of the breathless anticipation that I saw on dozens of right-wing blogs (and nervous bluster on left-wing blogs). I think this shows that the conspiracy theorists are wrong about the Republican internet attack machine. Here we have a really good example of pro-Bush partisans trying to push a story, but nobody thinks this is going to erupt into a blogstorm like Rathergate. We digital brownshirts seem to operate more efficiently without a fuehrer.

For them what are interested in this angle, I just put up a post:

http://houseofpayne.blogspot.com/2004_10_01_houseofpayne_archive.html#109871308314316101

(Apologies to Ace for tooting my own horn.)

Posted by: the House of Payne on October 25, 2004 10:54 AM

Sorry folks, but on a scale of 1-10 of Kerry's evil deeds, this is barely a 2. What little of this is hitting the MSM is being swatted away with practiced ease by Kerry's lackeys. By this time tomorrow, it will have disappeared into the black hole with all of his other lies.

Sad to see some bloggers (not Ace!) flogging this over the weekend, seemingly just to grab some traffic. Sad, because it takes energy away from what needs to be done: persuade undecideds and help friends and neighbors get to the polls next Tuesday.

Posted by: The Old Coot on October 25, 2004 10:58 AM

Easy to win debates when you make things up. Do we go back an rescore it now a Bush Victory? It's much easier to understand all the faces Bush made in the debate. He must be saying in his head, "What the.......?"

Hugh McBryde

Posted by: Prakk on October 25, 2004 11:14 AM

To paraphrase Larry Elder, Kerry could engage in forceful intercourse with a nun on national television and a certain percentage of the populace would vote for him regardless.

Posted by: zetetic on October 25, 2004 11:40 AM

UNSC story was sidelined by story that 380 tons of high explosives were stolen from an Iraqi weapons depot the US Army left unguarded because they didn't have the troops to secure it.

If the Kerry story had come out a month ago on a slow news week, it would have been covered. But this is the last week - do you cover the latest Kerry fib, some fearsome bleeding death story, and the Horse Race?

Answer, the media will rightly focus on fear and the Horse Race. 380 tons of missing HE possibly in the hands of terrorists due to American postwar planning incompetence is a legitimate story. So is a burning plane full of death.

The 25th Kerry fib uncovered? Yawn! Sez the public and the media.

The last minute DUI story in 2000 got huge coverage because it was in direct oppisition to the image Bush had crafted as a sober, responsible man. To get any negative Kerry story to really break in the next 8 days in has to be something unique - not more of the same.

And See Dubya - with 67% of voters opposing Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy, most of the "tax cut" money borrowed from China going to rich people in Kerry Blue states, and over half of the Richest 1% voting for Kerry - Bush has wisely stopped making his tax cuts a feature of his campaign and left it that Kerry is a liberal Democrat who will tax far beyond rescending the tax cuts to the top 2%.

Posted by: Cedarford on October 25, 2004 12:30 PM

Cedarford, the new Bush "Choice" ad mentions tax relief. Here's the text, per Kerry Spot:

Voice Over: When it’s finally quiet, here’s the choice:

President Bush and Congressional allies:
- strong leadership to protect America
- tax relief
- common sense healthcare
- strengthen and protect Social Security

John Kerry and liberal allies:
- higher taxes
- voting to tax Social Security benefits
- government-run healthcare
- a record of slashing intelligence and
- reckless defense cuts

Alone in the booth…why take the risk?

Posted by: See-Dubya on October 25, 2004 05:44 PM
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