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October 13, 2004

Erosion Continues: Bush Slips Behind Nationally, and in Ohio

Bad news at the top of KerrySpot. The WaPo poll has Bush behind by Kerry 49-48, and Kerry's got a small lead in Ohio to boot.

Let's not go all to pieces like the liberals did last month. It's going to be a tight one; Bush may need some help, as they say about teams on the wildcard bubble.

But you have to vote.


posted by Ace at 05:56 PM
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Posted by: msl on October 13, 2004 06:02 PM

Ace, get a grip. There have been a dozen positive-leaning polls the last week, but you moan about every negative blip. Besides, the polls are fubar - they have no clue who's likely, or even who's really registered. If you can't psych yourself up when they go up and ignore them when they go down, you'll go mad.

Posted by: The Black Republican on October 13, 2004 06:14 PM

Black Republican:

I agree. I was reading on real clear politics that the only poll in the last election that was consistently accurate was Mason-Dixon. The rest were off significantly in both directions in all races.

People just need to make sure they vote. If the base is motivated and I believe they are then it will be very close. If the base especially the evangelicals 4 million plus voters, stay home, it is not a good scenario. I happen to think they will vote and we will have a close race to the last state I worry only about Ohio these days, but I am hoping the hoards of Catholics there will vote with the forces of good.

I think the fact there are 3 justices ready to retire is a serious issue for the religious right in this country and one that is often not addressed. I think we will hear about it tonight though and hopefully he will have a better response tonight.

Also, I hope he doesn't step in it tonight and I hope he controls his face.

Keep the faith, Ace. It isn't over yet.

Posted by: Jennifer on October 13, 2004 06:24 PM

The Wash Post tracking went from 50 to 47 Bush to 49 to 48 Kerry in one day. That means yesterday's sample was 44 to 53 Kerry to get these results from a 3-day tracking. I find that hard to believe. What happened Monday to get these results? I can't think of anything. I don't trust these polls and neither should you.

Posted by: Laddy on October 13, 2004 06:24 PM

Explain to me why the President never used the bully pulpit in places like Ohio and Pennslyvania to rip corporations for not hiring during a recovery? It would cost him nothing politically. Instead Bush will lose, because he wouldn't call out corporate America. Don't these companies understand? Make a big production of hiring new employees. It's got to be cheaper adding some payroll now than paying all those taxes when Kerry gets elected.

Posted by: finlay on October 13, 2004 06:44 PM

finlay - you're right about the taxes, but one thing you have to remember, just as we dislike Kerry for his snobbish, consdescending manner, we dislike politicians who tell us how to run their businesses.

As a small business owner, he can 'encourage' us to hire, but if he used the bully pulpit to 'rip corporations', well that's dumb. Politicians have enough of their hands in my pocket as it is.... and I'd resent it.

Posted by: on October 13, 2004 07:54 PM

As for Ohio, the Chi Trib poll is probably not correct. Rasmussen has Bush up by 4 in Ohio and Strategic Vision has Bush up by 6. Chi Trib has Bush by 2 in IA. It's unlikely Bush is winning IA while losing OH. Chi Trib has no polling history in OH plus its a lib paper. The RCP poll summaries are sometimes not up to date and that's the case with OH. Ras also has Bush down only 1 in PA and by only 3 in MI. Don't get discouraged. The Wash Post/ABC poll showed a big plus Kerry spike yesterday. Neither Zogby nor Rasmussen saw the same spike. It could be that both Zog and Ras missed it, but what are the odds?

Posted by: Laddy on October 13, 2004 07:56 PM

Finlay -

It's waaaay too late in the game to have Bush biting the corporate exec/investor class hands that feed him and start hectoring them about spending their tax cuts on mansions and investing in new Chinese factories being a "bad thing".

And that would presume that the wealthy give a crap about the lesser 98% of Americans having jobs or not.

To add insult to injury, most of the money Bush borrowed from China and the Euroweenies to give to the wealthiest as "tax cuts" after his initial claim that they were only "rebates from the surplus rationale" disappeared - went to states where the big bucks people live - states that are "Kerry blue" - except for Texas and perhaps, Florida.

Do credit Bush's Big Government deficit with creating lots of new government jobs with nice benefits that partially compensate for the rest being low-pay, no benefit service sector jobs. Reagan's deficits at least went to creating decent domestic high tech jobs needed to work Reagan's defense build-up, and Reagans high-tech infrastructure goals.

Bush's 1st 4 years legacy will be some nice Palaces for Plutocrats scattered across America and happy Chinese and Indians working the nice manufacturing and high tech jobs bought politicians and greedy boardroom pigs gave away. Some of those McMansions are even swankier than Saddam's, where Iraq's money was diverted away from 98% of Iraqis, who suffered poor economic prospects.

The silver lining in the cloud? Kerry is a weak weasel-scumbag. Lucky the Dems didn't field a Centrist strong candidate like Bill Clinton, Gephardt, Lieberman, Biden, or "shudder" - Hillary. Let's hope that fears of Terrorism and a Ruth Bader Ginzburg Supreme Court will allow voters to overlook Bush's domestic economy incompetence and vote Bush back in - assuming Congress will finally have to fix his major fuck-ups. Top of the list being borrowing money from foreigners to give to the wealthist Americans, and having someone else pay for those gifts 20 years from now.


Posted by: Cedarford on October 13, 2004 08:01 PM

Surely you realize that the MSM is doing poll manipulation in order to depress GOP vote turnout...

Don't fall for it.

Posted by: someone on October 13, 2004 08:27 PM

I visited my daughter's school this last weekend, and we listened to the college radio station while we were there. The DJ played an audio clip, listing a dozen or more reasons to vote for Kerry. The clip is at this site. It's a must listen.

Posted by: Phil on October 13, 2004 08:59 PM

here's an explanation of how the Post survey moved so much in just a couple of days follow link

Posted by: steve on October 13, 2004 09:56 PM

Unless I missed something, Kerry answered that last question without once saying he loved his wife.
He made the joke about "marrying up" and then went on to speak about his mom.
That really struck me as odd and disturbing.
He didn't say he loved his wife or daughters once in that answer that I heard anyway, even though it was clearly an an invitation to do so.
Bush did well on the same question I thought.
Not the most pressing issue I guess, but it's what I walked away with...
msl

Posted by: msl on October 13, 2004 10:45 PM

It's not going to be close. Relax. Vote, but relax

Posted by: jeff on October 13, 2004 11:22 PM
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