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October 06, 2004
Jobs Reports Seen As "Political Football"The consensus estimate for Semptember's jobs number is pretty low: Wall Street economists surveyed by Reuters on average forecast that 148,000 new jobs were created last month -- too few to shrink a relatively low 5.4 percent jobless rate and barely enough to absorb new entrants to the workforce. No one, except the White House, is quoted on an estimate as regards the yearly revisions. posted by Ace at 04:18 PM
Comments"Wall Street economists surveyed by Reuters on average forecast that 148,000 new jobs were created last month -- too few to shrink a relatively low 5.4 percent jobless rate and barely enough to absorb new entrants to the workforce." We have yet another reporter who doesn't understand the subtle differences between different economic statistics. To prove that the reporter's thesis is incorrect, just take a look at last month's jobs report: payroll employment increased by 144,000, and the unemployment rate fell to 5.4 percent. Does this mean that the same thing will happen on Friday? No, but it does mean that the unemployment rate can fall even when journalists say it can't. Posted by: Larry Jones on October 6, 2004 04:40 PM
payrolls expected to be low because of hurricanes Posted by: w on October 6, 2004 05:36 PM
I also fail to see how big an impact one month's numbers will have on the annual adjustment. Posted by: Brian B on October 6, 2004 07:48 PM
A relatively low 5.4% unemployment rate? Only under a republican is 5.4 "decent." Posted by: Alan on October 6, 2004 08:00 PM
And pray tell, Alan, from a historical perspective, under various DEMOCRATIC Presidents, what would be considered a "decent" unemployment rate? Toss out a name and %... just for kicks... Posted by: Brian B on October 6, 2004 08:09 PM
Under Democrat dict...er, presidents, 5.6% unemployment rate was universally heralded as fantastic. Now that a Republican is president, the media treats a lower unemployment rate as pathetic. Posted by: Mr. Bowen on October 6, 2004 08:54 PM
Alan, is it just my imagination that liberals/Dem's are so utterly CLUELESS? Is it also just my imagination that they can get on blogs and still ony repeatedly barf the LMSM and academia BS? Is it also just my imagination that the liberal/Dems constantly regale us with how intellegent, enlightened and well informed thay are and what a bunhc of illiterate rednecks their opponents are? Posted by: Sharpshooter on October 6, 2004 09:38 PM
I make no strong value statement about the content of the following, but here is some actual data from that ultra-liberal rag "Forbes" for you all to chew on. There are no knock-out punches here for either side, but perhaps a small dose of reality. I will say that I was suprised to see who ranks #1 in terms of job creation: Posted by: on October 6, 2004 09:49 PM
"I also fail to see how big an impact one month's numbers will have on the annual adjustment." The annual revision applies to the 12-month period ending in March 2004. The more you know... Posted by: Larry Jones on October 6, 2004 10:30 PM
Un-named: Those Forbes figures were quite a shock! It looks like Bush II will rank behind even Carter and Ford on the economy on the Forbes list criteria, if he has one term. Posted by: Cedarford on October 6, 2004 10:30 PM
If only we could return to the halcyon days of Jimmy Carter, when, according to John Kerry's misery index, the American people were as happy as clams... Posted by: Larry Jones on October 6, 2004 10:33 PM
It looks like Bush II will rank behind even Carter and Ford on the economy on the Forbes list criteria, if he has one term. Um how do you figure? Unemployment is at 5.4% at the end of Bush's first term as opposed to 8.3% at the end of Carter's. I'd like to see a graph of Mortgage rates too, I remember it being close to 20% during Carter's term. Oooh, and lets see a graph of gas prices adjusted for inflation. Oh and speaking of inflation, when was the last time we worried about that, oh that's right, under Carter. Of course if I listened to dems I'd still be worried about my grandchildren having to pay of Reagan's deficits like Mondale and company promised...then Clinton waved his magic stick and we had a surplus (and I didn't have any grandkids yet to chip in), of course that was probably paid for with American lives thanks to slashes in intelligence and military spending, so now I'm back to my great-grandchildren paying off W's deficits. Not to besmirch the economy under Clinton, he did a good job of staying the hell out of the way, but if anybody thinks a Kerry economic policy will look anything like Clinton's you're only fooling yourself. Given the chance the great vacilator will give us real misery to index. Posted by: Paul B. on October 6, 2004 11:28 PM
Paul B. I think you might be missing some subtletness on the part of Cedarford - he is perhaps implying that the 'magic' will happen in Bush's second term, if he is afforded one. Anyway... look at the averages Carter Bashers, he ranks above Eisenhower and Bush the 1st and pretty much ties with Nixon and Truman (the only dem many republicans claim to have voted for...). Posted by: on October 6, 2004 11:58 PM
Actually, if I'm reading this right, supposedly Carter's job growth even topped Clinton? Bill's likely to get uppity if you suggest his legacy is worse than Peanut's. Posted by: Elric on October 7, 2004 12:36 AM
There are millions of people who believe that the government has completely fallen to pieces under Bush. The military, national parks, intelligence, education, NIH, and so forth. Yet the numbers from the bureau of labor are the absolute gospel truth. The dozen of so people who produce those final numbers are the last few honest accurate people in the government. The model that they are use was probably pretty close in 1950's or 1960's, but with so many self employed people and all the growth in small businesses these employment numbers are no as longer relevant as before. Posted by: Ralph on October 7, 2004 08:57 AM
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Funniest thing I've read about the Virginia mess. Back when they were hustling the referendum through the assembly both Senators, Warner and Kaine, advised them to go slow and play by the rules. Louise Lucas said she respected them but didn't need advice from the "cuck chair" in the corner. The gerrymandering was overturned and Louise is heading for the big house. Edward G. Robinson voice "where's your cuck now?" I posted his post on twitter and it's gotten 25K views so far. Thanks, Smell the Glove Chris
Forgotten 80s Mystery Click That Sums Up the Democrat Communist Party Today
Something is wrong as I hold you near Somebody else holds your heart, yeah You turn to me with your icy tears And then it's raining, feels like it's raining
"It's f**king f**ked."
-- reportedly a genuine comment offered by a "senior Labour source" Correction: I wrote that Labour is losing 88% (now 87%) of the seats it is "defending." I think that's wrong. The right way to say it is the seats they are contesting -- that is, they don't necessarily already hold these seats, but they have put up a candidate to run for the seat. It's still very bad but not as bad as losing 87% of the seats they already held. Basil the Great
"The end of the two party system in the UK" as first the Fake Conservatives and now Labour chooses political suicide rather than simply STOPPING THE INVASION
Incidentally, the only reason this didn't already happen in the US is because of the Very Bad Orange Man (who is right on 85% of all policy calls and extremely, existentially right on 15% of them)
No political party that is NOT also a doomsday religious cult would EVER choose a cataclysmic loss -- and possible extinction as a party -- to support a toxically unpopular favoritism of NON-CITIZEN ILLEGAL MIGRANTS over actual citizen voters.
Only a cult does this.
Now they've lost 84%.
Annunziata Rees-Mogg Update: They've now lost 88% of the seats they're defending. As I mentioned earlier, I think I heard that London will not bail them out, as many of those Labour seats will probably flip to "Muslim Independent" or Green. Detroit's 5am vote will not save them.
Yup, Labour is losing 80% of its seats...
The British Patriot Wow, up to 1700-2100 seats. It's not incredible that this is happening. It's incredible that the Davos crowd is so absolutely determined to privilege Muslim "migrants" over the actual native population who elects them, no matter how loudly the natives scream that they want to be prioritized, that they will gladly self-extinguish as a party rather than simply representing the interests of their own voters. Astonishing. Remember, when they call other people "cultists" -- they are the ones so imprisoned in their social reinforcement and discipline bubbles that they will choose political death rather than dare upset the Karen Enforcement Officers of their cult. Update: Now they've lost 83% of the seats they were defending. (((Dan Hodges))) Nick Lowles
STARMERGEDDON: In early returns, Reform gains 135 seats, Labour loses 90, the Fake Conservatives lose 36 (and I didn't even know they could fall any further), the Lib Dems lose 4, and the Greens gain 6. Note that the only other party gaining seats is the Greens and they're only gaining a handful of seats.
Update: Reform now up 145, Labour down 98. Labour projected to lose Wales -- where they've ruled for 27 years. Fulton County Georgia just discovered 400 boxes of ballots for Labour Update: REF +156, LAB -107, CON -45 Brutal: In four out of five council seats where Labour is defending, they've lost. 80%. I'm sure it's not this simple, but Reform is straight taking Labour's and the "Conservatives'" seats. They've lost almost exactly what Reform gained. If understand this right (and warning, I probably don't), all of London's council seats are up for election, and Labour might lose hugely there, as their old voters abandon them for Reform, Muslim Indenpendents, and the Greens. REF +190, LAB -134, CON -56.
Updates on the Labour collapse in council elections -- which wags are calling #Starmergeddon -- from Beege Welborne. There are about 5000 seats up for grabs, Labour is expected to lose 1,800, Reform will probably gain 1,580, up from... zero. So this would be more than that.
People claim that while Labour has adopted the Sharia Agenda to appeal to the million Muslims it allowed to migrate to the country, those voters are ditching Labour to vote for the Muslim Independent Party or the Greens. Delicious. This shadenfreude is going straight to my thighs. Oh, and if Starmer loses about as badly as expected, Labour will toss him out of a window Braveheart style and replace him. He will announce he is resigning to spend more time with his Gay Ukrainian Male Prostitutes.
Media bias and senationalism are as old as, well, the media:
![]() That was written by Denny O'Neill and illustrated by, get this, Frank Miller. Editor to the Stars Jim Shooter was in charge at the time. I always thought the gag was original to the comic book, but in fact the "Threat or Menace" headline was a satirical joke about media bias and sensationalism for a long while. The Harvard Lampoon used it in a parody of Life magazine: "Flying Saucers: Threat or Menace?"
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