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September 26, 2004

An Unidentified Female Producer for Dan Rather: "Who's to Say that Palestinian Terror-Bombings Are Wrong?"

MSL points me to this very relevant article from 2002, in which a female producer for Dan Rather expresses her, ahem, latitudinarian views on Palestinian mass-murder.

Is this Mary Mapes? The article doesn't say, and it seems likely that Dan Rather has more than one female producer working for him/with him, even on Middle Eastern stories. If it's not Mary Mapes, well then fine-- Dan Rather has two, rather than one, hardcore leftist producer working on his stories for him.

How's that for diversity in the newsroom?

Either way, it's an interesting window into the sort of thinking going on over at CBS News:

After Dan Rather left, I spent some time with his producer, discussing her viewpoints of what was currently happening in Israel. After seeing the tone of her news segment, I was concerned. I began to question her about accuracy in reporting.

Her answer was even more shocking than what I had already observed. "The thing is," she told me, "it is impossible to be objective in this situation. The fact is that there is no objective truth -- neither side is right or wrong."

"Wait a minute," I asked her. "When a Palestinian straps on a belt of dynamite lined with nails and walks into a pizza shop, blowing up innocent people, that wouldn't be objectively wrong?"

"Of course I would think that is wrong," she answered me. "But the Palestinians believe this is a legitimate form of warfare. And they would say the Israelis are doing the same to them by killing innocent civilians when they retaliate militarily. Who am I to say what is right or wrong? Who am I to say that the Palestinians are wrong in their beliefs?"

"But don't you think there's a difference between a person blowing himself up in a restaurant, and a military that responds by searching for and killing terrorists. Granted that innocent civilians are killed in both circumstances -- but in one situation the innocents are targeted, and in the other situation they are regrettably caught in the line of fire?"

"Well, that's a very Western way of looking at things. You see I'm Christian and American. I see things the way you do as an Israeli -- we have the same moral framework. But the Arabs view things differently, and who's to say that we're right and they're wrong?"

At this point we both realized we weren't going to get any further in the conversation, and we politely thanked each other and parted ways.

I've said this before and I'll say this again: Leftists resort to the superficially-neutral-sounding "Who are we to judge?" posture when they actually support something, but dare not admit that.

For it is simply not true that Mapes, Rather, et al. cannot "judge." They would not argue, for example, that we cannot condemn a Ku Klux Klan race-murderer due to the fact that, from the KKK killer's point of view, what he's doing is defensible or righteous. In situations in which the leftist philosophy agrees with common-sesne morality, they do not resort to "Who are we to judge?" chin-stroking. The call a racist killer a racist killer.

But when the racist killers are a group for whom the left has political sympathy, suddenly their moral machinery is entirely disengaged and they can't quite make the difficult determination that blowing up Jewish schoolgirls on a bus is quote-unquote "wrong."

This is a rhetorical dodge of the most transparent sort. If someone really was committed -- in all situations -- to never calling politically-inspired killings wrong, then we might say that person was consistent and principled, if nonjudgemental to the point of monstrous immorality.

But the left isn't so committed. They're willing to say that certain sorts of political murder are wrong; they're just not willing to say that Muslim terrorist murders are wrong. They should be asked, point-blank, what it is precisely that differentiates a KKK killing from a Palestinian terror-bombing such that the former is unambiguously wrong but the latter is defensible.

Update: Allah thinks it's important to note that the article is from 2002. I actually didn't check, and I don't know how relevant that is; I don't think the baseline assumptions of CBS News producers have suddenly tacked sharply to the right since 2002. Nevertheless, I have edited to note the year in which the article was published.

I hope Allah does not plan to continue these partisan political operative assaults on me.


posted by Ace at 07:08 PM
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This article is from April 2002. Not that that detracts from your point, but some readers might think Rather's mystery producer said this today or yesterday and that's not the case. Anyway, for what it's worth.

Posted by: Allah on September 26, 2004 07:13 PM

When confronted with this equivalence argument-- about choosing between soldiers and terrorists-- I often just ask the arguer, "Is there a difference between a forest firefighter starting a controlled burn, and an arsonist?"

If yes, then I usually leave the room.

If no, then I kick them in the junk, and THEN leave the room.

It's therapeutic, try it sometime.

Cheers,
Dave

Posted by: Dave on September 26, 2004 07:20 PM

The Leftist might argue that the KKK operate within, and thus come under a Western sphere of judgement, so of course we can judge within our own cultural mosaic... Some horseshit like that, anyway.

Posted by: Golden Boy on September 26, 2004 07:23 PM

I didn't realize it was so dated, but as you say, doesn't detract from the point. It speaks to the culture of that group.
Additionally they were researching the Bush docs story during the time this article was written (among other things), and I would think these sorts of ideals help to shape the stories they create as well as the attitudes of the people who work there.
I wonder if we can dig up the story that aired at the time, they were probably shooting video from the location described.
It would be interesting to see what hit the air, knowing what was said between the participants prior to the report.

Posted by: msl on September 26, 2004 07:27 PM

Who many Arabs would move to the West if they could? How many Americans are dreaming of moving to the West Bank? I think that tells us all we need to know about Arab institutions.

Posted by: Mark on September 26, 2004 07:30 PM

Ace your argument also applies to some of the favorite causes of the political left including hate crimes and campus speech codes. They're all too ready to condemn speech, regardless of 1st Amendment considerations in both cases. When terrorists are captured the left wants to demand full constitutional rights for the terrorists. See, it's simple, you get it when we want to give it to you and you'll like it. Until then, says the left through the MSM, kindly STFU.

It's an internally consistent view-- from the perspective of the completely self-centered, cocooned left.

Posted by: Birkel on September 26, 2004 09:41 PM

I don't think it would be too difficult to research who Rather's producer was on this story. Doesn't CBS archive all their stories. Or, perhaps a Lexis-Nexus search would do it.

Posted by: Kathy on September 26, 2004 09:48 PM

Ace,

Apropos of a comment I made down-blog, Josuah Jehosephat Wigglesworth Micah Marshall's great investigative collaboration with See-BS seems to be every bit as lame as would his involvement have been if the issues was the crappy forgeries. See:

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=3873

....Marshall obviously had an inside scoop, it appears. Even his colleague at Slate, Mickey Kaus, has referred to Marshall as a “puppet” of the notorious Sidney Blumenthal, the Clintonista  long considered - and not without warrant - the architect of  the most vicious smears against his opponents....
 
And it didn’t take long to figure out how Marshall and Blumenthal jumped the gun on the Sixty Minutes story.
 
Newsweek’s Isikoff and Hosenball (inadvertently perhaps) dropped the smoking gun.   Marshall, it seems, was working on yet another phony story with CBS’s Mapes, at the very same time she was cobbling together the TANG story that dropped Sixty Minutes into a sea of trouble....

How to put it? Oh yeah: har-de-har!

Cordially...

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