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September 19, 2004

Hidden Message from Bill Burkett Discusses Giving "Information" to the DNC?

I actually can't confirm this is the text of Burkett's actual message, because Yahoo now seems to be requiring membership in Burkett's Texas Democrats Yahoo group to read messages. I don't know if it's always been like this or if that group too is now "scrubbing" the record.

HawkeyeLonewolf tells me that at this address is an interesting post by Burkett.

This is the text as Hawkeye reports it. If anyone has a membership or can verify this, I'd appreciate it:

...Now dammit, I've worked with Rove, Hughes, Bartlett and Bush. They knew he was a little "pretty". There was even a story about Rove's comments about Edwards being a little "pretty". What that means is that they knew he wouldn't be able to scrap. And they haven't.

So when someone claws Kerry what does he do, "Whine" to the FEC?

I spent some time on the phone with the Kerry campaign seniors yesterday after having to threaten to whip a little ass in order to get through seven layers of bureaucratic kids trying to get a job after the election. I talked with Max Clelend.

I hope he got the message, but even if he did, I'm not sure that his side of the issue can beat out the other half of the advisors. And that's a problem. There seem to be two factions within the Kerry advisors = one camp is the Gore holdover group who say play nice, we may make someone mad. The other includes people like Max Cleland who say kick ass. And the candidate can't seem to follow instincts and lay down some blood. The comments that he made Friday would have been effective if they'd been made the Monday after the convention, but two weeks later just doesn't work.

I'm concerned.

You have a candidate and all of us do. Your candidates are afraid to fight down and dirty. The people say they're sick of this- and they are. But Bush has nothing to lose. And he will do ANYTHING to get what he wants. SO when they do the attacks, if the turnout is lowered, as you are concerned, then he wins. If he scars Kerry, he wins. He wins in all directions unless there is a counterattack.

I said all of this to Max. I asked if they wanted to counterattack or ride this to ground and outlast it, not spending any money. He said counterattack. SO I gave them the information to do it with.

But none of them have called me back.

No, I'm sorry but until this party and this candidate learn to handle Bush, we in all honesty will lose this election. We have the emotion, the backlash, the issues, and discontent, but we don't have the passion for a fight. And that's what is about to get the elec tion tight enough that the dirty tricks in the voting booth and counting will work.

I've tried everything. Why do you think that my knowledge and ability was sufficient that I received death threat and actual shots fired at me? It's because I was willing not only to break ranks, but to fight. And I know how to fight them.

But the DNC is afraid of me, I guess, and afraid to do what I suggest.
...

I've volunteered to come back to come back out with more. Others have too. But this candidate doesn't know how to fight and the campaign organization seems destined to loss in spite of the victory handed it by circumstance.

I'm sorry, I hope I can change my observation - and soon. But every time we get momentum, we take a week off and lose focus.

George Bush is vulnerable on the issues. So put him on the defensive dammit.

And you don't do that by being a nice guy.

...

For me, I've been to war. Most of you have quickly forgotten that I was the insider who broke ranks with the Bush Team and fought them in the legislature when our Democratic State legislators and LT. Gov were in bed with Bush to make him President. I fought many of the people whom you now consider HEROS because of Ardmore and Albuqurque. Why? because Bush was as corrput in Texas as he has been in Washington. And I exposed it.

While I hear all of you commenting and cannonizing the Repblicans who have jumped ship from the Bush Administration - Ambassador Wilson, Paul O'Neill, Richard Clarke, etc

Ahem. Clarke and Wilson-- Republicans? As Eric Stratton said, "Forget it, he's rolling."

and then watching as the Modereate Republicans like Richard Holbrooke, and John McCain take to the headlines building compromise and disarmament, I know that I was one of the first on June 25, 1997; followed by the funergate scam and others.

If you want to turn this cuntry around, it can't be done with Bush in the White House. If you want to return freedom to our streets, it can't be done with Bush in the White House and Ashcroft as DOJ. So quit letting Ashcroft hide. Call him out.

If you want fiscal responsibility returned, you can't have that with Bush in the White House and the senate under the control of the Republicans.

Do more than talk. Be ready to gird up and go into battle. And when you go to battle there are scars. This isn't a gentlemanly event. It's war. And in war people get cut up, injured and killed. Take some risk. Be a leader nationally and at home. Quit just waiting for this victory to come to you so you can get some nice appointment out of it. If you wait, it will be a very long wait.

Bill Burkett


posted by Ace at 02:46 PM
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I think that is the grape flavored Kool-Aid he is drinking in that particlar post. What a friggen loon!

Posted by: Sharkman on September 19, 2004 03:25 PM

In the last thread, the Cleland one, the whole Burkett spiel was added yesterday.

Posted by: cedarford on September 19, 2004 04:20 PM

This is the unimpeachable source, hub? As long as you don't hold the unfortunate mental illness thing against him, I guess he could be considered credible.

Posted by: Melissa on September 19, 2004 05:03 PM

Burkett is unbalanced, obviously. The source Rather is protecting must be either the DNC, the Kerry campaign, or both. He still seems to think he can ride this thing out. Having the support of the NYT has made Rather overconfident.

As for Burkett, for all his warrior talk, in real life he's a fat, loud mouthed slob. My ten year old could kick his ass with one hand tied behind his back.

Posted by: Blinker on September 19, 2004 06:45 PM

My guess;

Burkett spoke to the Kerry campaign. They discussed it for a while (probably at the highest level), checked with Clelland, gave Burkett the go-ahead, got in touch with Mapes and asked her to move fast so the story could air before the "Fortunate Son" ad.

Posted by: Thales on September 19, 2004 06:59 PM

It's standard for Yahoo groups to require membership before seeing anything beyond the main page. Some are 'moderated', which mean you have to be approved before you're allowed to join.

Posted by: Ted on September 19, 2004 08:01 PM

After reading those foaming rants, is there anyone who thinks Burkett was the source? There is no way on God's green earth that Dan Rather at his blindest would speak of this man as an 'unimpeachable' source. Burkett can't possibly be the forger; the memos were passed by him, but they weren't his.

Burkett clearly is too foaming-at-the-mouth rabid to be CBS' 'unimpeachable' source.

Posted by: Dianna on September 19, 2004 08:20 PM

Burkett told a visitor that after the story ran, Rather phoned him and expressed his and the network's "full support."

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6039850/site/newsweek/

Posted by: Mark on September 19, 2004 08:45 PM

Dianna

After reading those foaming rants, is there anyone who thinks Burkett was the source? There is no way on God's green earth that Dan Rather at his blindest would speak of this man as an 'unimpeachable' source. Burkett can't possibly be the forger.

Don't confuse being nuts with lacking high cognitive skills, seemingly stone-cold rationality in the right setting, and superb artistic abilities. Isaac Newton went off the deep end in mid-life, so did Ezra Pound. You ain't read a good rant until you read a pro-Fascist rant by perhaps America's greatest poet. But just about everybody thinks Burkett is either the forger or a co-conspirator, in fact.


Burkett clearly is too foaming-at-the-mouth rabid to be CBS' 'unimpeachable' source.

Who could be more unimpeachable to a bedwetting liberal like Dan Rather - than poor, suffering, sainted Mad Max Cleland completely vouching for the character, integrity, and documents of a man Cleland has worked with since 2000 on Bush's Guard records, one of Cleland's "Band of Brothers"???? Remember, in Dan Rather's brain...... the AWOL, stupid frat boy Bush and the eviiilll Karl Rove persecuted both Burkett and Cleland for rightly trying to discredit Bush's military service years ago. Which culminated in Bush hounding Poor Max out of office with Lies, Lies, Lies!!!! about the Great Handicapped Man's patriotism and recently humiliating, just humiliating Max on his Crawford Pilgrimage.

Frankly, if Cleland is in on the forgeries, or was the clueless fool who facilitated it, not knowing they were bogus - he may be the recipient of a last gasping "Et tu, Brute?" from his Caesar. And end up making a career transition to shaking his DAV cup outside a grocery store.

Thales 0659PM Oooooo! I like how you think! I had the same general speculation. I would add some rabid 20-something Lefty in who had experience with graphic arts and computers and who could make a good forgery of Killians signature. And add in a dumb senior Kerry campaign official, a wheelchaired gatekeeper of "unimpeachable character". Add in the emotional factor of late August desperation at Kerry Headquarters, urgently needing to strike back at Bush's military service after the Swifties impact on Kerry's "vote for me, I'm a war hero" campaign. Maybe add in money for Burkett or James C. Moore as a possible motive. And, perhaps a small band of hardcore Texas Democratic operative who have tried in 3 Bush campaigns since 1994 to use the Guard years against Bush, w/o luck, taking their last shot.

Posted by: cedarford on September 19, 2004 09:09 PM

If you think Bill Burkett had a good rant then you should check my rant over Lawrence O'Donnell's comments on The McLauglin Group over at my blog. This to me is just the sad impotent rant of a sad impotent little man.

The question is how to bring heat to Burkett's door. Writing a whole lot of accurate posts that will be read by like-minded people doesn't bring us one step closer to getting his sorry ass to roll on the DNC or Rather. If we're going to get anywhere, we have to provide more than rank speculation. If some of the readers of this site live in Texas perhaps they could file a formal complaint with the Texas A.G. That might get the investigative ball rolling.

Posted by: Birkel on September 19, 2004 09:33 PM

The Candidate From Hell

If I was a Democrat, that's what I'd be thinking about now.

Kerry actually got some traction with ripping into Bush on behalf of suburban women, who, unfamiliar with what a Chuck Schumer- termed "assault gun" actually is, were concerned that Bush let a ban on those "nasty things" expire. Kerry got in some productive days really bashing Bush on this before Dan Rather took over....But what did the idiot do, as we all know he was bound to, to achieve his inevitable flip-flop???

It seems Outdoor Life magazine asked these two "hunting sportsman" candidates 2 months ago for a future article what their favorite gun was. Bush said his 20gauge Weatherby. Kerry said he liked his M-16 in Vietnam the best, since it helped "save him and his men", but these days he just has a "Communist Chinese AK-47 assault rifle" he picked up as a souvenir, as his favorite gun, since it reminded him of Vietnam. With perfect timing, the magazine just hit the stands.

This is priceless! From a group's press release this weekend:

Does Sen. John Kerry, a supporter of the so-called "assault weapons" ban, own a "Communist Chinese assault rifle," as suggested by his remarks in the October issue of Outdoor! Life?

If so, the Second Amendment Foundation wants to know where Kerry keeps that rifle, if it is legally registered, and how the senator got it into the United States, SAF Founder Alan Gottlieb said today.

"Senator Kerry's own words once again trip him up in an apparent hypocrisy," Gottlieb stated. "Responding to a question from Outdoor Life about whether he is a gun owner, and if so, what's his favorite gun, Kerry strongly intimates he has an assault rifle, which is illegal to own both in Massachusetts and Washington, D.C."

The Kerry quote appears on Page 82 of the October issue of Outdoor Life. In that comment, the senator states, "My favorite gun is the M-16 that saved my life and that of my crew in Vietnam. I don't own one of those now, but one of my reminders of my service is a Communist Chinese assault rifle."

"Here's another example of Kerry running on his Vietnam service history," Gottlieb observed, "which has become a major campaign issu! e, for the wrong reasons. Now he's talking as if he's got an assault rifle stashed somewhere, while he's been railing against their ownership by other law-abiding American citizens.

"Senator Kerry," Gottlieb demanded, "where's the rifle? In which one of your mansions are you hiding that gun? Why should it be okay for you to have a Communist Chinese assault rifle when you think nobody else should have one? And if you don't have one, why would you intimate to Outdoor Life that you do?

"Senator," Gottlieb continued, "you told a crowd in St. Louis on Sept. 10 that, ‘As a hunter, I have never ever thought about going hunting with an AK-47 or an Uzi or anything else'. So, then why would a Communist Chinese assault rifle be your favorite gun?

"Whether he is lying about owning the gun, or just being a hypocrite," Gottlieb concluded, "this remark is just more proof that Senator Kerry is full of crap.

ROFL! ROFL! ROFL! This news will spread like wildfire!

I'm the first to admit that Bush has made some neocon-influenced exceptionally stupid mistakes, is fiscally reckless, and favors the rich. He is a mediocre President at best, IMO. But what a gift John Kerry is to him!!! And he keeps on giving!

Posted by: cedarford on September 19, 2004 09:48 PM

Birkel writesIf we're going to get anywhere, we have to provide more than rank speculation...

It's really not about organizing "us", so "we" can take action together, Birkel. It's just a bunch of amorphous minds providing information and theory - not a rally of true believers on the march.

But having power from generating new information, research, analysis, ideas, and theories that sometimes, not always, percolate out to the rest of society.

Lots of high quality, free information, research, analysis, ideas, and theories - given the scale!!! And politicians, reporters, gov't folks, and private industry are really scanning the "Best of the Web" to snarf it up.

Classic political activism & organizing isn't really what's happening on the Internet, IMO. A lot was made of the on-line Deaniacs Blog-o-Dean site, but it was really just an extension and enhancement of a physical, face-to-face organization, great for money-raising and steering newbies to meetings - but of little power. Far Right and Far Left Sites, if they don't have anything original to add, don't do much except serve as a social chat room. Blogs that fact check relentlessly, contribute great insight, get noticed and utilized by society (and ACE, you should be there with Allahpundit, Powerline, and LGF...just a matter of time, mah man)

Posted by: cedarford on September 19, 2004 10:19 PM

Kerry said he'd been to China during the Clinton presidency, and I believe it had something to do with trade agreements. But ahh, it's pretty hard to know exactly which kerry it was who was speaking when each of those statements were made. He's so nuanced.

Maybe he uses the rocket launcher he took off of the wounded Vietnamese he had killed which earned him the Silver Star.

He said in one NRA interview, I believe, that he was crawling through the brush on his stomach with his 12 guage shotgun while hunting deer.

Posted by: Gary B. on September 20, 2004 02:40 AM

Wow...the ranting of a genuine partisan political operative, just like Dan Rather warned us about, with a nice dash of raving mad man to top it off. I would like to thank Al Gore for inventing the Internet so I could be witness to this.

Posted by: ed on September 20, 2004 06:54 AM

Uh, Dan, that word “unimpeachable”, I do not think it means what you think it means

Posted by: Phil on September 20, 2004 08:01 AM

Burkett Post Mentions Plan For Vote Fraud

If HawkeyeLonewolf is right, and if the text of Bill Burkett's post on the Texas Democrats Yahoo! site is accurate and correct, that post contains a hidden message within the hidden message. Consider this passage: "We have the emotion, the backlash, the issues, and discontent, but we don't have the passion for a fight. And that's what is about to get the elec tion tight enough that the dirty tricks in the voting booth and counting will work."

This says--not implies, but says outright--that there is a coordinated plan already in place to commit vote fraud. "... dirty tricks in the voting booth and counting." Given that Democrats were brazen enough to attempt to steal the last presidential election in broad daylight, aided and abetted by CBS and much of the rest of the MSM, and given that John Kerry has already boasted of having legions of lawyers at the ready—this lends credence to those calling for subpoenas and a Congressional investigation NOW.

Posted by: Shawn on September 20, 2004 03:03 PM
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