Bill Clinton mugging with a local Texas Democrat player? Pretty meaningless in the context of this scandal, if you ask me.

Moonbat,

As I said, I don't put much stock in "shadowy links," either.

But the New York Times does. So I'm helping them out with a hot tip.

Although--

Let's just say that Bill Burkett isn't exactly rolling in dough.

Let's just say that David Van Os -- a big enough donor to get a two-man shot with the President -- charges a fair amount for his services.

I wonder how it came to be that Bill Burkett got himself a pricey, well-connected lawyer.

And I wonder why it is that David Van Os seems less interested in protecting his client -- by saying "No comment" or "He's innocnet" -- than in virtually admitting that his client is guilty, But that the forgeries are true anyway.

That would seem to be advancing the interests of the DNC, not Bill Burkett.

Lawyers as operatives again!!!!!!

I was wondering when I heard Burkett now has a lawyer - where did he suddenly get the money from to retain a lawyer? I was going to cross-check the Van Os name with Williams & Connolly or Hale & Dorr, but haven't had time yet.

Well, that certainly explains the following:

"Asked what role Mr. Burkett had in raising questions about Mr. Bush's military service, Mr. Van Os said: "If, hypothetically, Bill Burkett or anyone else, any other individual, had prepared or had typed on a word processor as some of the journalists are presuming, without much evidence, if someone in the year 2004 had prepared on a word processor replicas of documents that they believed had existed in 1972 or 1973 - which Bill Burkett has absolutely not done'' - then, he continued, "what difference would it make?"

(emphasis added)

2004 Martindale-Hubbell has:

David Van Os
David Van Os & Associates, P.C.
San Antonio, Texas
(Bexar Co.)
Rated AV
Born 1950; Admitted 1976; University of Texas at Austin, B.A.; University of Texas at Austin, J.D.

**********
What, no street address? Does he also operate out of a P.O. Box? Where did he work before? Unfortunately, M-H doesn't have past years on the internet. But there are many other sources to look.

More on David van Os: He's running for TX Supreme Court judgeship. So, connect the dots - a favor for Kerry now...

This is from DallasNews.com's Candidate Detail:

1976-78, Assistant Counsel, National Treasury Employees Union; 1978-81, Associate, Law Office of David R.Richards; 1981-84, In-house counsel, District 12, Communications Workers of America, AFL-CIO; 1984-present, Shareholder in current law firm and its predecessor firms; 1983-89, General Counsel, Texas AFL-CIO

The first thing we do is, we kill all the lawyers.

OH. I was thinking "Clinton-connection-to-memos-to-sink-Kerry-to-pave-way-for Hillary's-nomination-in-2008" shadowy links. Which would be pretty absurd.

Oeeeeeee, it's getting dangerous for Burkett. He better get his OWN lawyer.

Moonbat_One - I tell you, in this weird scenario, anything is possible! I've had that thought too - what if the Clintons are behind the forgery - perhaps to help Kerry, perhaps to help themselves for 2008 as you say. One week ago, who would have thought any of the stuff that has come out so far was possible. And that name, Terry Lenzner, keeps popping up wherever I look. And I'm not even looking for him!

More on David van Os at BostonPhoenix.com:

"David Van Os, former chairman of Texas's Travis County Democratic Party and a vocal Bush critic..."

David Van Os - I wonder if he represented Burkett before, in that medical suit.

This is also interesting, from the San Antonio Express News on May 27th:

DEAN ENDORSES VAN OS FOR COURT

David Van Os, a candidate for the Texas Supreme Court, was endorsed Wednesday by former Democratic presidential hopeful Howard Dean.

"Besides our efforts to evict George W. Bush from the White House, we must expand the base of the Democratic Party by competing in tough races across the nation," Dean said Wednesday.

Van Os, a San Antonio lawyer, is running for Place 9 on the state's highest court against Republican incumbent Scott Brister in November.

Dean, a former Vermont governor, recently founded Democracy for America, a political action committee dedicated to building grass-roots support for "socially progressive, fiscally conservative candidates at all levels of government."

Dean plans to endorse a dozen candidates every two weeks. The list can be found at www.democracyforamerica.com/DeanDozen.

Ace, I found a phone number for Van Os. Are you interested?

Maybe. Send it to my email at aceofspadesATyahoo.com.

I kinda don't think he'll talk to me.

I sent it along with some other stuff.

Send that Dean link, the Clinton picture, and the Van Os quote about not caring if they are forgeries to Drudge.

These are connections to the top of the Democratic party from a guy who, A) represents a forger, B) condones forgery.

Can I just note for the record that Skippy was on fire today:

“The Democratic coalition is much broader. It consists of unions; schoolteachers; trial lawyers; black people and, I believe, Indian Chiefs. Coalitions that broad tend to have competing interests at work within them. This is largely why the Democratic Party seems to have invented the circular firing squad. It's also why they so frequently lose elections. They love beating the shit out of each other more than they hate the Republicans. Republicans don't much like anybody, but they are united in the belief that handing Democrats their asses is fun.”

here's the link

Can you imagine how batsh*t the Left would have gone if Foxnews had used a forgery of Kerry's record? The nutbags from ANSWER and MoveON would be immolating themselves in the streets of NY and the DNC would be asking for the roundup and internment of any non-Democrat.

Thank the Maker that Bill Burkett doesn't own a typewriter or a braincell

Stumbled upon this:

http://www.vanosforsupremecourt.com/

...looking for any good stuff there..

That picture of David Van Os with Clinton is great... man, I hope they didn't lose that Swiftvet Flow Chart with all the arrows on it... they'll need it soon enough, this time with Clinton, Van Os, Burkett, Rather and KERRY KERRY KERRY.

And you KNOW if no one in the media does it, the Bloggers will make their own shadowy charts.

And it does mean that Burkett is and always has been a partisan Democrat

I don't get it. I know a lot of people think the universe started with Clinton's presidency, but, Burkett could easily have previously been a Bush supporter.

(As much as conservatives hate to admit it, Clinton appealed to a lot of Republicans. That's why he got elected. Same way, as much as some liberals hate to admit it, Reagan appealed to a lot of Democrats. That's why he got elected.)

Ace, dude, check your email. Top 10 idea.

I did a Google Image search on David Van Os. One image is of a campaign sign linked to the following web site:
www.baumbach.org/ bill-main.htm

It’s worth a look.

joem

About that flow chart - I love it, I love it - let's start creating one. This is telepathy in the blogosphere! I was just sitting here thinking, we've already got a number of connections and I'm gong to diagram it out for myself. I don't have expertise to post graphics to this site - but I'm sure there's one among us who can! A semi-humorous one would be great. And Ace can update it as we make new discoveries. What fun!

Shadowy links:

They play dirty in Texas

Would someone post a 1972-74 timeline, the period in question regarding Bush's NG service, comparing the three following activities?

1) events related to the Vietnam War,
2) George W. Bush's whereabouts and activities, and
3) John Kerry's whereabouts and activities.

I keep seeing media reports and postings stating that Bush was AWOL while Kerry's comrades were dying in Vietnam.

The American involvement in Vietnam was drawing to a close during the last half of 1972 and all of the military was radically downsizing, and I believe, the last American causality was January 1973. Also, sometime during this time I think John Kerry was meeting with the North Vietnamese delegation in Paris.

If Bush's records and activities 35 years ago are to be placed under a microscope, it is only appropriate that this be do so within the context of world events at the time - and laid out in detail, side-by-side along with the activities of John Kerry.

Geez!
I wonder if there were paper shredders in Texas in 1997. Or matches or cigarette lighters.
The only people I can think of who would be dumb enough to just throw the documents they absolutely wanted to do away with into a mere trash barrel is "CBS NEWS".
Even I would have waited around to actually see them destroyed if it was that important to me.
Duh!

Well. Do I have to be the one to say it? There's a right-wing moonbat conspiracy theory to advance here.

The Clintonistas put Burkett up to it. This is the Hillary torpedo everyone was predicting.

I see bugs, bugs everywhere!!

TO WRSTRICK - good idea and it sounds like you can do it. I wasn't in the US during that time, but I heard it was like a national psychotic break and very traumatic. I was really shocked recently to see what Kerry was actually doing. After reading quite a bit, I came to the conclusion that he was practically Jane Fonda's male alter ego. His meetings in Paris with the enemy. I can never understand why Treason prosecutions seem to have disappeared since the Rosenburgs. I often hear, oh it's only treason when we're at war. I don't think so. Anyway, when Kerry was in Paris, this country was still at war in Vietnam.

After reading your rundown of Burkett I must say he's looking pretty good for this. He seems like more than a regular moonbat to me though.. lots of people (moon hoax fans, JFK nuts, and the 'jewish conspiracy' nuts) believe in a complex, sinister conspiracy in the world, but Burkett seems to go the extra step--he places himself conveniently present at crucial times during the 'conspiracy', and makes himself either a direct eyewitness or central victim of them. To me this would seem to push the needle past the 'regular moonbat' zone, and into the 'paranoid personality disorder/paranoid schizophrenic' zone, although I'm no doctor. It just seems interesting that in each case Burkett tends to cast himself as the 'Hero/Victim' in his conspiracy theories.

Ace, it might be time to update the Rather Retirement Watch...

...via Drudge:

NIELSEN numbers this week show Rather fading and trailing his rivals in every Top 10 city, other than San Francisco, with audience margins in some cities of more than 6 to 1 against CBS... MORE...

I think this is a very healthy discussion - the fact that we are finding things pointing to Burkett and also to Marty Heldt. After reading Wizbang's "On the Trail of the Forger," the overall picture becomes visible. It was probably a collaboration with Burkett and Heldt at the bottom rung. Other characters involved are Col. Lechliter, the Boston Globe reporters Latour and Walter Robinson, the Bush attacker Lukasian. So, along with Burkett's lawyer and his connections to the DNC, Clinton, we have the start of a flow chart.

Let's make this the new WHODUNIT thread, since it fits with this subject of Shadowy Links and flow charts.

OT
This is hilarious in light of the memo focus.

"Celebrated director Martin Scorsese is being sued for allegedly failing to have a medical examination for his new film Silence. Hollywood Gang Productions filed the breach of contract lawsuit against the Goodfellas creator in Manhattan Superior Court on September 3, claiming Scorsese agreed in February to "submit to a physical examination" but ignored repeated requests to fulfill that commitment and consequently lost the company insurance cover for the period drama - about Jesuit priests in 16th Century Japan. Hollywood Gang Productions' lawyer, Richard Golub, says, "All we want to do is stick a thermometer in him." The company had a contract with Scorsese which gave them power to take out a $1 million policy to insure themselves in case anything happened to the director during production. They are now seeking legal fees of more than $10,000."

Found on IMDB.com

Mark,
Those rating could get much worse since many affiliates are dropping 60 Minutes II until they've redeemed themselves.

CALLING ALL LOI-YAHS, CALLING ALL LOI-YAHS!

Are you one? Know one?

Well, let's see, here......

1. Are you a crusading Texas DA or the AG himself, committed to serving the public good? Wouldn't you want to be looking into the possiblity that hard working Texan dollars for union dues or campaign dollars somehow went to this wealthy fat cat Van Os, or Burkett himself to facilitate a fraud on these hard-workin' Texans?

Are you on solid legal ground to investigate if a crime was committed by getting a warrant on Burkett to examine his sources of income to pay his fatcat lawyer, his phone records? To interview Mary Mapes to see if money passed hands for documents that turned out to be forged? Nothing wrong with someone who wants to be Senator or Governor someday, OBTW, seeking a little justice, right????

2. Are you a Loi-Yah with knowledge of FCC rules or know one? Were the public airwaves misused to communicate a fraud on the American public, with the intent to manipulate a Presidential election? Is it possible that Federal subpeona powers can be put in play by the FCC or Congressional Committee on Communications to get records and follow the trail wherever it may lead?

I know some people will dismiss these forged documents as small potatos, as important as some 3rd Rate Burglary, time to forget about it. But I for one want to find out the truth. Even if, "weep, weep" it leads to the DNC, Moveon, CBS, Boston Globe staffers, or the Kerry campaign itself.

You know, Cedarford, it's quite possible Van Os is representing Burkett pro bono. He gets talked about and his picture with Clinton is flashed around and he looks like a Democratic big shot.

In fact he tried to be TX democratic party chairman a couple years ago and lost. Maybe he figures that by representing Burkett he'll get some exposure. Which would also explain trolling for quotes in the NYT instead of giving a terse no comment.

Which reminds me, Burkett had a lawyer really early in this whole thing, right? Like, before he had any apparent reason to need one? wasn't Van Os in the picture since Burkett was?

What do you wanna bet Van Os and Robin Rather are connected?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A34557-2001Apr3?language=printer

Both of them active in Travis County Democratic operations.

TO See Dubya - jeez, I stayed up all night working for you... hee hee. See the posts around 3:20 am. Van Os was Chairman of Texas's Travis County Democratic Party.

And Ace's cover article says Burkett served as head of the Steering Committee for David Van Os campaign for Texas Party Chair.

TO Mark - hmmmm, very likely. I saw information on a fundraiser event in TX where Dan Rather, Robin Rather and Ben Barnes attended together. Maybe Burkett was in that clique too, as an organizer. Robin Rather was then running for Mayor.

Ace, I think Burkett's a red herring.

Remember, Burkett always names people who would have been where he said they were. Clearly, they weren't doing what he said they were doing, mostly because no one's as stupid as he portrays them as being when being nefarious. But they're in the right places at the right times. He's old enough to know what a typewriter face looks like; at least he'd have used courier type and turned off all those wonderful formatting tools.

He'd have gotten the abbreviations right; he'd have gotten the signature block right. He's a detail fanatic. This man isn't our forger.

If I were speculating, CBS, through the writer, Jones, passed these 'memos' past Burkett. I would guess that those underlines and so on in the pdf files might be Burkett's, showing what the problems were.

Burkett's peripheral - he's not the forger. But he'll make a great fall guy. Think about it - not well-balanced, has a grudge, swears up and down that records were sanatized.

Slow down. I think that you, and a lot of other people, too, are railroading a peripheral figure.

P.S. I've now looked at your link - I think that's the same one I read about elsewhere. I believe Ben Barnes was also there that night. I'll check to find that.

Also the line close to the bottom of the article is interesting: "Rather, who maintains a home in the Austin area..." [referring to Dan, not Robin. She, of course, lives in Texas, but I didn't know Dan also has a home there.

Dianna - I too have my doubts - that Burkett did this alone, or a very remote possibility - is being set up. But its time to slap a Texas search warrant on him or an FCC subpeona. House, hard drive, phone records, credit cards, bank records. And court ordered records of any pay phone within a 21 mile radius to examine local and long distance calls going to an Iowa farmer, the DNC, Moveon, or CBS.

If he is marginally involved, this puts major heat on him if interesting stuff "pops up", and I think he would be cut a complete sweetheart deal if he rats out all higher ups that enticed his participation with promises of money or resolving his problems.

See Dubya - Perhaps I didn't word my post well enough. I was really getting to Burkett's needs and motives. I know he has a political axe to grind, but he has money issues. The guy hasn't worked in 5 years, but needs money for medical bills, household stuff, lawyers. He could have sought some renumeration from CBS, Barnes, DNC, Moveon, the" Bush's Brain" writer.

And if Van Os is representing him pro bono, as you well understand - why was Van Os tied to Burkett so early and whats in it for Van Os???

I agree with BR, so far there are few links between the memos and Burkett.

Who has a personal account at Kinos? I don't, nor does anyone else I know, unless of course they do a lot of work at Kinkos. Perhaps that is why he was in Kinkos last week.

Not difficult to fly down to Texas to send off the documents.

However, it might explain why Rather is not naming the source because its one thing to point the finger at Burkett falsely, but another if everyone thinks its Burkett based on their findings.

It may be that Burkett is the patsy in all this.

Somebody needs to check the Abilene Kinkos fax phone log to see who, when, and where the CBS source sent those guard memos.

The world did not start with Clinton, but I seriously doubt Van Os has ever been a Bush supporter. He has spent his whole career as a labor union lawyer, received awards from teh ACLU, is a life member of the NAACP and, according to his own campaign biob, "Attended every Texas Democratic State Convention since 1974; Block-walked for Democratic Party general election tickets in 1972, 1974, 1976, 1978, 1980, 1982, 1984, 1986, 1988, 1990, 1992, 1994, 1996, 1998, 2000, and 2002"

Readers interested in more about Van Os can go to his website: www.vanosforsupremecourt

Gist? (adding on to Phathead's contribution)Pretty well connected Demo - Demo county chairman, big fundraiser, very active . Howie Dean listed him in his 2nd nationwide"DeansDozen" of candidates he backs with personal appearances. Van Os was also part of the Dem Lawyer Team sent to Florida for the 2000 recount challenge.

Phathead, you are so right. He's a Deaniac. And he's got connections all up and down the Clintonista end of the Dem party. Flew to Florida in 2000 to help challenge (ahem, overthrow) the election results. It's probable that he knows Dan Rather, via Robin. Right now he is my #1 suspect for the actual perp, but unless someone's got a security video showing him walking into that Kinko's, he'll never be nailed for it.

"To receive the endorsement of Governor Howard Dean, the man who gave voice to millions for whom nobody was speaking, is an honor beyond measure. Governor Dean represents the aspirations of millions of Americans who want to take their country back from the special interests in every branch and at every level of government. His endorsement will be a huge boost to my campaign to restore the Courts of Texas to the ownership of the people of Texas, and at the same time, to kick the totalitarian Republican political beast right in its belly.

I became actively involved in the Dean campaign in Texas in the early summer of 2003. Governor Dean inspired me enormously. He made people realize that they really can stand up and fight to take their country back from the right-wing clique that has hijacked the Republican Party and through it the whole government. He re-ignited people's faith in their ability to retake ownership of their government through grass roots political action. His inspiration was a large factor in my decision to challenge the special interests that control the Republican Party for a seat on the Texas Supreme Court, one of their bastions of power.

The only thing that can stop us from winning the struggle to take our country back is our own disbelief in our power to do it. We the people do have the power, and our time has come.

David Van Os
Democrat for Texas Supreme Court"

Source:
http://www.blogforamerica.com/archives/004536.html

Okay, who wants a shadowy link?

I'm talking a jaw dropping shadowy link?

Sixty Minutes did a piece slamming the Texas Supreme Court in 1998. Mike Wallace was the reporter but I'm not sure who was the producer. I will pee my pants if it was Mapes. Among the court's justices running for election that year was a Republican named David Abbot, and running against him was...

One Mr. David Van Os.

Do you think 60 Minutes talked to DVO when they were researching the story? I don't know whether or not he was interviewed or appeared on camera. But if you're looking to dig up corruption on someone, wouldn't you ask his opponent? Especially if he's a strident partisan?

The Houston Chronicle article I got this from ran Nov. 2, 1998. I've sent the full article along to Ace, but here's the mention of Van Os:
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'Austin lawyer David Van Os, a Democrat challenging Abbott, issued a statement that Texans "should be disgusted and embarrassed" at what was reported in the program.'
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There's a line for your chart. A big shadowy line.

San Antonio Express-News again:

Nov. 13, 2001--in an article about bipartisanship after Sept.11 and how Bush v. Gore didn't really matter anymore:
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But David Van Os, a San Antonio attorney who heads the Northeast Democrats, insists that Bush did not win the election legitimately. He and his wife, Rachel, traveled to Florida to help with the recount, and he says "millions of people will never forget what happened there."
__

Same paper, may 26 2002:

“Meanwhile, Van Os said last fall he does not believe Bush serves in the presidency legitimately, even after a media recount of the Florida vote appeared to confirm his election. “

A bitter, bitter man, that Van Os.

I think it's time we get back to the big picture - like the guys at Captain's Quarters and Wizbang. We and all bloggers and posters now have a responsibility to contiinue putting on the pressure, otherwise CBS/DNC will have America "move on" i.e. go back to sleep.

Yes, David van Os is definitely part of the flow chart. He's a big party partisan and he's been connected to Burkett for a long time. We know that and we should keep an eye on him.

THE MSM AND TALK SHOWS ARE PICKING US UP:

I'm hearing more and more bloggers being quoted with or without identifying them, on TV, print press and on radio talk shows. Hugh Hewitt, talk show host, had a great one on 9/16/04. I can tell that Hannity has been reading the blogosphere, as well as Pat Buchanan, who was very strong on "Scarborough Country" (MSNBC) Thursday night 9/16. I was amazed that Boston Globe writer Rezendes (one of the authors of their 9/8/04 article) said on "Scarborough Country" that he hasn't read anything by Burkett on the net. I don't know if he was lying or truly is that out of touch with research tools. He did, however, try to distance himself and the Globe from Burkett and the scandal by saying he interviewed him many times (earlier this year), but Mr. Conn would not corroborate Burkett's story, so they didn't print at the time. (Of course, then they got bolder after 60 Minutes aired the memos.)

Wash. Post came up with the same thing we did here, 5 days ago. Remember this, it seems like years ago! They might have found it on their own, or found it from our posts in the blogosphere, but we were first!

"Dear Ace, Great scoop! Also see what I just found - a post by Bill Burkett on August 14, 2004 04:27 PM at steveverdon.com/archives/politics/001110.html : "Of the files that I saw within the 15 gallon waste can were numerous documents which detailed why 1LT George Bush was grounded from flying including a two-page counseling statement signed by LTC Jerry Killian."
Posted at September 12, 2004 10:05 AM
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But the MSM writers go to sleep at night - we are awake 24/7! The army that never sleeps. We can't let up now.

ABOUT BURKETT: I asked the question on another thread, but there are so many now, I can't remember which one, to go back to it. If Burkett was Army and Killian/Bush, etc. were Air Guard, how could Burkett even be in the same building in 1997 to see these so-called files and to hear these so-called conversations. I actually saw his face tonight on Hardball - who showed a January 2004 (I think) clip of his interview with Burkett. He speaks like a robot, tries to give the impression that he's a very "military" person like in a B-movie, twice repeating George Bush's rank abbreviation ONE...L...T. The host actually made fun of Burkett's insistence on some strange official-sounding word just to communicate an informal discussion in a hallway. It started with a "C...." - it was so arcane, I can't even remember it now.

So - (1) unless the Army and Air Guard are in the same building, his whole claim of 1997's 3 incidents could be proven bogus.

and (2) the way he asserted that rank abbreviation, was almost like preparing cover so that he would not be targeted as the forger, but that he knew of the existence of the forgeries. I do think they have existed for quite a while, and I think it's Heldt in collaboration with the rest of the cabal.

I'm re-posting my 9/15/04 item from our earlier "hot thread" to continue the discussion here. I've shortened it, corrected my typo in the Globe article's date (shd be 9/8/04, not 9/9) and clarified some of the earlier wording.

DAN RATHER PROFILES THE FORGER for us in the following quote:

Reference http://nyobserver.com/pages/frontpage1.asp September 15, 2004 2:36

Excerpt:

Mr. Rather said that it would require an exceptional amount of knowledge to craft a forgery—and not just the typographical kind. "You’d have to have an in-depth knowledge of AIR FORCE MANUALS from 1971," he said. "You’d have to have Bush’s service record, you’d have to have the Air Force regulations from 1971, you’d have to know nearly all of the people involved directly at that time, including the squadron commander, who was Bush’s immediate superior, and his attitude at the time—you’d have to know all those things and weave all those things in."

[Capitalization of AIR FORCE MANUALS (AFM) added by me for emphasis]

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So right there, he's describing THREE different characters that we know of: Lechliter, Heldt and Burkett.

(1) COL. GERALD LECHLITER - longtime Bush attacker.

He wrote a 36-page "authoritative dissertation" of August 2004 (possibly earlier) in which he shows his in-depth research of Air Force Manuals (if you search for "AFM", it comes up 45 times) and he acknowledges ASSISTANCE FROM Martin Heldt, Lukasiak and two reporters at the Boston Globe, Latour and Walter Robinson.

....41, 42, 43, 44, 45 - felt like the CBS 60 Minutes clock counting down as I was counting the AFMs.

On pg 1, his index number V: "Bush’s Performance as Documented on AF Form 77, “Officer Effectiveness/Training Report” (F77)." " That's likely to be the source of the "OETR" misabbreviation in the forged doc. (Someone read it, possibly Heldt, who didn't know that a slash means 2 different reports, and he wasn't familiar with the common military term "OER".) I mention this, not for forger identification necessarily, but to show connection between all these people.

Links:
Lechliter's connection to the Globe: http://www.redstate.org/story/2004/9/10/135321/013. It also links to the Boston Globe 9/8/04 article and to Lechliter's 36-pager.

Lechliter's 36-page dissertation: http://www.glechliter.glcq.com/critical_analysis.htm

(2) PAUL LUKASIAK - Fresh Air pointed us to glcq.com, another Bush attacker, who claims to be in Philadelphia, but his ISP is in Massachusetts. Ace of Spades HQ site, http://blog.mu.nu/cgi/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=45480 by Fresh Air 9/14/04 at 12:40 pm.

(3) MARTIN (MARTY) HELDT – the "Iowa Farmer" - never in the military as far as I know, but FOI'd Bush's military records. Well discussed at Wizbang and also see Ace of Spades HQ, same thread as above at September 12, 2004 06:33 PM - which quotes this post by "Brooks Gregory":

"When all of this crap began back in 1999, I was a political consultant for several Democratic candidates, as well as later being a senior consultant for Janet Reno in her run for Governor. I bought the document package from Marty Heldt and we subjected them to the most thorough investigation one could imagine. Why? Because if there was anything there, we damn sure wanted to use it. But guess what? Only two of those documents proved to be authentic and they were not even related to the charge being levelled. Many of them are so blatant in their alterations it is almost funny. Several purport to be signed by real live military personnel, yet they don't even know the proper format for a military date. -- Brooks Gregory 2004-01-28 08:27:57 PST" [at Google Newsgroup: talk.politics.misc.]

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Then, equally as significant, on 10 Sept 04, a person who writes as "Freedom Fighter" but who is most certainly the same person as "Brooks Gregory" posts again, commenting on the CBS show, saying it's the same docs (as those in his earlier post on 1/28/04.) This is already described well at Wizbang.

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So, bottom line: A "mastermind" writes the thesis, with the help of various anti-Bush researchers and journalists, then a flunky (Heldt, Burkett, or some other low IQ person) does the grunt work to actually create the forgeries, then CBS completes the circle by publishing it. Now it remains for ALL involved to be identified.

THAT'S RICO ! (federal and civil - conspiracy to commit fraud).

Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act, Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1961-1968, passed by Congress in 1970, originally designed to get the mafia.

See http://www.ricoact.com/:
"Today, RICO is almost never applied to the Mafia. Instead, it is applied to individuals, businesses, political protest groups, and terrorist organizations."

11:46 PM 9/15/04 UPDATE:

Now Wash. Post is pointing to Burkett with the Kinko's fax evidence.

I say their damage control plan is BURKETT = scapegoat = CBS off the hook. Even if it's Burkett (more likely Heldt) who forged the docs, it's gone way beyond that now. The forger in the scene is the lowest rung and already I see Wash. Post preparing the way for Burkett's commitment in case his lawyer/handler Van Os can't keep him muzzled.

Just like Watergate, quick, let's institutionalize him before he really spills the beans. Remember lawyer Phillip Mackin Bailley who knew too much about the Columbia Plaza call girl ring's connection to the DNC and Watergate bugging? Spencer Oliver's phone line was being used for the appointments, and McCord/Alfred Baldwin listening to THOSE calls. Dean's wife was friends with the madam. Judge Richey institutionalized Bailley BEFORE trial. See Jim Hougan's book "Secret Agenda" and Colodny & Gettlin's "Silent Coup."

It's a much larger conspiracy than just a "lone nut" from Texas.

(First posted September 15, 2004)

BR It is certainly worth reminding people that more than just Burkett may be involved. The Globe reporters, Lechliter, Heldt, Lukasiak, Van Os. I find some of these shadowy figures very interesting. Few people know, for example, that Marty Heldt has already tried selling fake Bush TANG documents.

I don't know how this will be pursued. The Bushies seem to be content to let Rather simmer in his own juices for now, rather than go nuclear on Democrats. Perhaps an October surprise awaits.

Hi, Cedarford - thanks.

Here's what I just posted elsewhere to Ace:

Dear, lovable Ace - thanks for replying! Sorry, I fell asleep while waiting.

I can understand the hectic pace you must have been going through this past week. I myself am finding that when I drive out for a coffee, I'm clicking my gearshift stick like a mouse!

But, hey, there's a new game afoot. One that needn't involve driving around the Texas countryside. We've got all the research tools at our fingertips. Criminals love to leave evidence around. We've seen it over and over on the net this past week.

Here's my post in the David van Os/Clinton photo thread about Shadowy Links:

About that flow chart - I love it, I love it - let's start creating one. This is telepathy in the blogosphere! I was just sitting here thinking, we've already got a number of connections and I'm gong to diagram it out for myself. I don't have expertise to post graphics to this site - but I'm sure there's one among us who can! A semi-humorous one would be great. And Ace can update it as we make new discoveries. What fun!
Posted by BR at September 16, 2004 09:47 AM

What do you say? This shouldn't take too much of your time? People can just post on that thread what they find and you can add the names with appropriate photos to the Ace Flow Chart. Like the great one you already have showing Burkett's lawyer/handler with Clinton! Some sort of Rogue's Gallery illustrating the whole cabal involved in this felony. We should think of a funny title for it. When you, Ace, add a name to the chart that spawns controversy, we can all discuss back and forth whether the name belongs there or not, with the references we find on the net. What do you say?
Posted by BR at September 17, 2004 04:27 PM

Ah well, I tried, but Ace decline. Bye for now.

BR,

Go to blogger.com and start your own blog.

That way you can have a blog which contains precisely what you think should be in a blog, precisely when you think it should be there.

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