Intermarkets' Privacy Policy
Support


Donate to Ace of Spades HQ!


Contact
Ace:
aceofspadeshq at gee mail.com
Buck:
buck.throckmorton at protonmail.com
CBD:
cbd at cutjibnewsletter.com
joe mannix:
mannix2024 at proton.me
MisHum:
petmorons at gee mail.com
J.J. Sefton:
sefton at cutjibnewsletter.com


Recent Entries
Absent Friends
Captain Whitebread 2026
Jon Ekdahl 2026
Jay Guevara 2025
Jim Sunk New Dawn 2025
Jewells45 2025
Bandersnatch 2024
GnuBreed 2024
Captain Hate 2023
moon_over_vermont 2023
westminsterdogshow 2023
Ann Wilson(Empire1) 2022
Dave In Texas 2022
Jesse in D.C. 2022
OregonMuse 2022
redc1c4 2021
Tami 2021
Chavez the Hugo 2020
Ibguy 2020
Rickl 2019
Joffen 2014
AoSHQ Writers Group
A site for members of the Horde to post their stories seeking beta readers, editing help, brainstorming, and story ideas. Also to share links to potential publishing outlets, writing help sites, and videos posting tips to get published. Contact OrangeEnt for info:
maildrop62 at proton dot me
Cutting The Cord And Email Security
Moron Meet-Ups

Texas MoMe 2026: 10/16/2026-10/17/2026 Corsicana,TX
Contact Ben Had for info





















« Political Partisan Pajama Party! | Main | If It Never Comes Down, Was It Actually a "Bounce"? »
September 11, 2004

Did CBSNews Lie to Maj. Gen. Hodges to Dishonestly Cadge a False "Second Source"?

Let's review.

1) Dan Rather refuses to say from whom he got the "documents." Even if he got them on background, usually a background source is identified as to their place of work/field of experience/position in the government.

We have no such vague description for Rather's "source."

Why?

Could it be that Rather dares not provide such a description of his source because by doing so he would tip off his audience that the source his himself a political partisan whose word cannot necessarily be taken as authoritative?

There's some reason he's being kept on deep background.

2) The general rule is that one needs two sources to confirm a story.

3) Killian is dead, and his family denies he wrote the "documents." They are not therefore the sources.

4) Major General Hodges was previously cited by CBSNews as verifying the genuineness of the documents.

5) But the man says on the record he did no such thing, and furthermore, he was lied to to elicit the weak "confirmation" he did provide:

Retired Maj. General Hodges, Killian's supervisor at the Grd, tells ABC News that he feels CBS misled him about the documents they uncovered. According to Hodges, CBS told him the documents were "handwritten" and after CBS read him excerpts he said, "well if he wrote them that's what he felt."

Hodges also said he did not see the documents in the 70's and he cannot authenticate the documents or the contents. His personal belief is that the documents have been "computer generated" and are a "fraud".

CBS responds: ""We believed Col. Hodges the first time we spoke with him. We believe the documents to be genuine. We stand by our story and will continue to report on it."

Summing up:

CBSNews needed at least one source (in addition to the actual source of the documents, who is completely anonymous) to confirm the genuineness of the documents if they were to run the story at all.

Hodges had no actual information about the documents.

During the process of interviewing Hodges, a representative of CBSNews lied to him and claimed the documents were handwritten, and that that handwriting had been indpendently verified by an expert.

Based on this lie, Hodges allowed that, if it was Killian's writing, it must be Killian's documents.

Was Major General Hodges one of CBSNews' two "sources" for the validity of the documents?

Dan Rather has previously offered Hodges' name specifically as a source who verified the documents, after all:

In an interview, Rather stressed that CBS had talked to two people who worked with Killian in the Texas Guard -- his superior, retired Maj. Gen. Bobby Hodges, and his administrative assistant, Robert Strong -- and both described the memos as consistent with what they knew of Killian. Hodges, who told CBS he was "familiar" with the documents, is an avid Bush supporter, and "it took a lot for him to speak the truth," Rather said.

Seems like he was supposed to be the second source to me.

If Hodges was one of the sources, then CBSNews:

1) Violated basic journalistic standards by lying to a source in order to cadge a dishonest and false confirmation.

2) Was not merely a passive dupe in this forgery, but rather took active steps in perpetration of the fraud.

3) Dishonestly reported to the public that there was adequate confirmation for the documents, when in fact its "source" had been lied to and was relying upon that lie when offering his weak "confirmation."

4) Ran a story that therefore does not have two sources -- indeed, since it's likely that the actual provider of these "documents" cannot be relied upon at all (or else they'd offer a description), CBSNews ran a story that doesn't even have one legitimate source.

5) And now that Hodges is recanting whatever dishonestly-obtained false-confirmation he previously provided, they are standing by a story which they know full well now has either one or zero sources.

Dan Rather offers us nothing except his "reputation" as evidence that we should believe this zero-sourced story.

But his "reputation" is actually rather dodgy:

In his legendary book on the 1972 presidential campaign The Boys on the Bus, author Timothy Crouse relayed how many of Rather's rivals on the White House beat resented him for his gung-ho approach to the facts.

"Rather often adhered to the 'informed sources' or 'the White House announced today' formulas, but he was famous in the trade for the times when he bypassed these formulas and 'winged it' on a story. Rather would go with an item even if he didn't have it completely nailed down with verifiable facts. If a rumor sounded solid to him, if he believed it in his gut or had gotten it from a man who struck him as honest, he would let it rip. The other White House reporters hated Rather for this. They knew exactly why he got away with it: being handsome as a cowboy, Rather was a star on CBS News, and that gave him the clout he needed. They could quote all his lapses from fact, like the three times he had Ellsworth Bunker resigning, the two occasions on which he announced that J. Edgar Hoover would step down, or the time he incorrectly predicted that Nixon was about to veto an education bill."

Quote from RatherBiased.


posted by Ace at 01:43 PM
Comments



Damn, this is getting painful It's like watching someone play Super Punch-Out.

BODY BLOW, BODY BLOW. . . UPPERCUT. . . KNOCK HIM OUT!

Keep on 'em Ace. Everyone fights, no one quits. If you don't do your job, I'll shoot you myself.

Cheers,
Dave
Garfield Ridge

Posted by: Dave on September 11, 2004 02:07 PM

Ace,

Excellent analysis.

You are ahead of the curve.

The "preponderance of evidence" was also a lie. Not just that, Dan Rather "knowningly" lied when he said that. He must have. There is no other way to parse his statements if one accepts, and I think any impartial and reasonable person must, that the documents in question are forgeries.

Look, the documents are both too-clever and not-clever-enough, as has been well documented. Whoever created them, knew a lot, but not enough. And the perps were incredible stupid (to say the least) to create them in Word.

But the sourcing of the documents, along with their provenance, are directly tied to Rather, who has all but acknowledged that he knows who authenticated them, and from where they came.

And as you point above, the authentication was done dishonestly.

Therefore, one can rightly and fairly conclude that by CBS using Maj. Gen. Hodges in this way, CBS knew all along that the documents were fake, and that the 60 Minutes piece was done deliberately and explicitly as a political hit job to smear the President.

Dan Rather already has come out stronglt in the defense of the documents. He cannot turn around and say he was "fooled" into thinking they were authentic.

Rather appears ready and willing to take the fall for Kerry.

Wow.

Posted by: MeTooThen on September 11, 2004 02:35 PM

Maybe old Dan is covering for a family member?
http://www.aim.org/media_monitor_print/1019_0_2_0/

Posted by: DMcG on September 11, 2004 02:49 PM

I just linked this story at my blog:

http://www.insightmag.com/news/1999/05/10/NewsAlert/Se-209027.shtml

60 Minutes has a history of using bogus memos.

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos on September 11, 2004 03:50 PM

Ace,

Should the word "rather" in point 2 be capitalized?

:)

Posted by: on September 11, 2004 06:11 PM
Post a comment
Name:


Email Address:


URL:


Comments:


Remember info?








Now Available!
The Deplorable Gourmet
A Horde-sourced Cookbook
[All profits go to charity]
Top Headlines
Paul Sperry
@paulsperry_

NEW: Just heard something extraordinary from a former White House official who worked with former National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster in Trump45's NSC: "McMaster had weekly phone calls with George Soros. We have no idea why." Neither could be reached for comment.
Deport...Deport...Deport The F***ing Lot! A new UK anthem? [Hat Tip: S.E.] [CBD]
CJN podcast 1400 copy.jpg
Podcast: CBD and Sefton dissect the Iran treaty but praise the great U.S. military, decry the deep state's influence on SAVE and FISA, talk marijuana and guns, mock the Northeast's racism, and Go Knicks!
Trump: Ukraine War 'Thousands of Miles Away' is 'Nothing to Do' with America Russia isn't threatening to kill Americans! [CBD]
Update to Gavin Newsom Under Investigation story: This investigation was begun under Senor Dementia:
Adam Housley
@adamhousley

As I have reported several times and now acknowledged by the Governor of California... Gavin and his wife are under federal investigation... what he failed to tell you... This began during the Biden Admin. Kind of a big detail.
Teen Driver Tayvin Galanakis Wins Jury Trial Against Officers Who Charged Him With DUI Even After He Blew 0.0 on A Breathalyzer And Passed Sobriety Tests. One Officer Accounted For 72% of All DUI Arrests For That PD [dri]
Days before the woman was stabbed in the neck by a taxpayer-supported Cultural Enrichment Officer, in the same general area, another taxpayer-supported Cultural Enrichment Officer attacked a boy and bloodied his head with a brick.
What is the UK Regime's plan for protecting the citizens from the savage criminals they've foisted on the populace? They offer NONE. They do, however, have a plan for protecting the savage criminals from the citizens: The citizens must STAY CALM and not get angry and not share videos of citizens being attacked by savage criminals.
The public keeps saying "protect us from the foreign savages you have imported against our wishes and over our objections" and the UK branch of The Regime keeps proposing plans to protect the foreign savages from the public. Soclose to what the public is demanding, just, you know, the complete opposite.
Just a thought: Maybe you wouldn't have to worry about the public attacking the savage criminals if you actually introduced a plan to protect the public from the savage criminals. Maybe they wouldn't feel as if it was necessary for them to protect the public through self-help.
Courtney Subramiam, one of the "journalists" who "previewed" her questions for the decrepit and demented Biden so that he could "answer" it with a pre-scripted response, rewarded by promotion to president of the White House Press Corps
Bonchie
@bonchieredstate

hahahahaha

This is the lady who gave her question to Biden beforehand, and he had it written verbatim in his notes with her picture.

You know what's really terrible? There are Daily Signal reporters in the press room. That's the Real Scandal Here!
You might think that movie critics by nature are effeminate and bitchy, but, did you know that grass is green and red peppers are red?
CJN podcast 1400 copy.jpg
Podcast: Sefton and CBD bounce around from Maine and its pet Nazi, to the cracks in the Democrat messaging, to the failure of California and its effect on the 2028 election, sea drones rescuing Apache crews, and more!
Seattle mayor shrugs off millionaire-tax concerns as 44% of business leaders consider leaving
It happens in all the blue states, but WA and Seattle will be different! [CBD]
Recent Comments
Accomack: "Whoa ..."

JQ: "Went to visit hubs for lunch (like usual) today, b ..."

Black Robe: "Dubbed, "Lacrosse," because the racquet resembled ..."

four seasons : " Pray that God doesn't smite people being whore ..."

Puddleglum at work: "[i]182 Because that'd be like decorating the entra ..."

Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd: "Funny how the dude who used to have a tribal flag ..."

Ace-Endorsed Author A.H. Lloyd: "A Gay Pride flag would be so appropriate. Posted ..."

davidt: "Dubbed, "Lacrosse," because the racquet resembled ..."

Alberta Oil Peon: "That dog up top looks like he just pitched a dolla ..."

Ben Had: "Rugby is the sport I will.watch. ..."

Braenyard - some Absent Friends are more equal than others _: "Take a minute: youtube.com/watch?v=DADmZdbQ9x8 ..."

Piper: "Our team praying after their win in Seattle. It go ..."

Bloggers in Arms
Some Humorous Asides
Archives