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August 18, 2004

The Politics of Personal Vindication

I've long thought that politics is personal, especially as regards strong partisans, but not as usually thought.

Bill Clinton retained his support from liberals during Impeachment not because he was innocent or victimized, but because he had persuaded liberals to initially take up his cause under the claim of actual innocence. When it later developed that he wasn't innocent at all, liberals did not turn on him and call him "liar."

Why? Because they had a more important interest. By defending Clinton in those early, naive days when the mainstream media was actually pushing the line that Monica was a stalker, Clinton's supporters had gotten a little bit pregnant with the desire to be ultimately vindicated. They'd had arguments with friends and family for months that Clinton was innocent; their interest in seeing Clinton prevail was no longer an intellectual or purely political one. They now had skin in the game. If Clinton got impeached, they'd "lose" the months-long argument they'd been having.

Although they were disappointed to be rudely informed that Clinton had been lying to them all along, that would not match their disappointment at having to admit they were personally wrong to those who they'd argued with. And so, quick as lightning, their defense moved from "He's innocent; these are the confabulations of a borderline-schizophrenic stalker" to "Doesn't rise to the level" and "Let's move on."

In fairness, of course, anti-Clinton conservatives had skin in the game all along, too. But we didn't need to reverse long-held claims in order to continue in our quest for personal vindication-- winning the damn argument.

Now liberal Democrats, of course, have plenty of skin in the game as regards Iraq. They don't want just to see Kerry win. That's important to them, of course. But they also want to be personally vindicated on their long-held passionate pro-Saddam advocacy. To get that sort of personal vindication, they need more than for Kerry to just win while being evasive and "complex" on the issue. They need Kerry to clearly declare his fidelity to their side of the argument, take that position to the American people, and then convince a majority of them that Bush lied, people died.

A lot of anti-Clitnton conservatives were disappointed that we didn't get the big personal validation from Bush's 2000 victory. Yes, Bush won, and we were crazy-happy about that; but then he didn't sufficiently beat up on Clinton, nor press for additional investigations or the like, and thereby bringing us any closer to what we really craved: An official government declaration that We were right all along, signed by the President and Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, and maybe even Kofi Annan, if he could be persuaded to play ball.

Now, liberals voted tactically in the primaries. They attempted to display something akin to "reasonableness" or "prudence." They voted against the man they really wanted -- the man who actually clearly and unambiguously declared his support for their pro-Saddam views -- because they feared he actually couldn't win the race, and thus couldn't deliver the vindication they craved. They voted for Kerry, a strutting peacock of nuance and shadow, a walking cipher in a Naval uniform. In the interests of winning the election, they put aside their cravings for a politician who would give voice to their darkest and most lunatic conspiracy theories.

But it's several months past now, and the natives are getting restless. They thought they could live with a candidate who gave ambiguous and evasive answers regarding the Great Big Issue about which they wanted personal vindication. But the "You bet I might" vote for war in Iraq type answers are beginning to grate.

They voted for Kerry because he wasn't Howard Dean. But now they're beginning to regret that. What they really want is Howard Dean in John Kerry's naval uniform.

Professional barking moonbat/bag lady Helen Thomas is the first canary in the conspiratorialist coalmine to begin choking on the ambiguous fog that Kerry is spewing:

WASHINGTON -- It appears American voters have little choice between the presidential candidates in the November election when it comes to the disastrous war against Iraq.

...

Kerry has made a colossal mistake by continuing to defend his October 2002 vote authorizing President Bush's invasion of Iraq.

Last week at the Grand Canyon, Kerry said he would have "voted to give the president the authority to go to war" even if he had known there were no stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction -- Bush's original justification for war on Iraq.

...

Kerry has passed up several chances to distance himself from the Iraqi debacle. But instead he has left himself wide open to Bush's ridicule. What's he got left -- stem-cell research?

...

The senator should have called Bush's hand months ago and laid it on the line after so much official deception. How could he say he would have voted for the 2002 war resolution after he and the whole world learned the rationale for the war was based on falsehoods?

I.e., he should have Deaned it up.

Does Kerry realize that the U.S. invasion of Iraq without provocation violates the U.N. Charter and the Nuremberg Tribunal principles?

Good question, Helen. I suggest that you keep asking this-- particularly to liberal readers.

Kerry has a weak fallback position-- that he would have planned things differently before going to war and would have lined up more European allies. Knowing what they know now about the Bush fiasco, France and Germany are congratulating themselves for having the good sense to stay out of Iraq.

So Kerry has blown it big time, rising to Bush's bait and throwing away his ace in the hole -- Bush's shaky credibility on the profound question of war and peace.

...

In 1968, Richard Nixon said he had a "plan" to end the Vietnam War and the voters, wanting peace, bought it. Nixon -- in part forced by Congress -- reduced the U.S. troop commitment to Vietnam, but U.S. forces were still there when Nixon was forced to resign from office in 1974 because of the Watergate scandal. But the war ended the following year.

These were not triumphal solutions but they did give Americans some hope of eventual escape from the two quagmires.

In 1964, a Los Angeles Times cartoon by famed Paul Conrad showed a pollster knocking on a door. A woman sticks her head out of a window and the pollster asks her voting preference: "President Johnson or Sen. Barry Goldwater, R-Ariz.?" She replies: "Who else have you got?"

That may be the fix some Americans are in again.

Another Kerry-Nixon comparison.

And liberals don't toss out comparisons with Richard Mephistopheles Nixon lightly.

Lunatic liberals may be our best hope for finally forcing Kerry to announce his real positions on the war on terrorism. Kerry's been feeding them anonydyne pablum, but they want the Good Stuff, the Ol' Red Eye, the big bottle marked XXX in a Bugs Bunny cartoon.

Without Kerry taking the pro-Saddam cause to the people and winning on that platform, the vindication they crave so desperately will always be incomplete.

What's more important to liberals-- winning the argument or winning the presidency?

As a one-time intense anti-Clinton partisan, I can say that the former interest might be slightly more important to the anti-Bush partisans than the latter.

And that makes me smile. Because I think these maniacs just might force Kerry to give away the Presidency in exchange for their support.

Thanks to See-Dubya for pointing out the Helen Thomas piece.

Proof of Thesis: Blaster provides the evidence. Chris Matthews, talking with Tom Friedman:

Well, let me talk to you about, as a person who spends every night here arguing about it one way or the other, trying to understand it one way or the other.

If we do succeed in reconstructing Iraq along the lines of a moderate democracy, then the people who supported the intervention, the preemptive act, the preventive attack on that country, will say we were right. That‘s the problem.

Yes. That's the problem. As Blaster notes, if peace and prosperity come to 25 million Iraqis and the nation's security is strengthened and America gains an ally in the Muslim world, "the problem" is that Chrissy Matthews will have to confess error and admit the Jew Wolfowitz was right.

Transcript here.

posted by Ace at 05:48 PM

Comments

Fresh from Drudge:

click here

Some New Age blonde has a Web site up promoting her whacky books and former romance with Kerry.

This picture alone is worth checking it out for.

[link edited by ace]

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos on August 18, 2004 06:06 PM

I so totally already beat you it's not even funny. Check out the sidebar.

Posted by: ace on August 18, 2004 06:10 PM

I will never, ever forget Chris Matthews talking to Tom Friedman on Hardball:

MATTHEWS: Well, let me talk to you about, as a person who spends every night here arguing about it one way or the other, trying to understand it one way or the other.

Right, Chris - the biggest problem in the freaking world is that damn Jew Wolfowitz might be right.

What a douchebag.

Posted by: blaster on August 18, 2004 06:38 PM

Thanks, blaster, for convincing me beyond a shadow of a doubt that Chris Matthews is a douchebag. It sure would suck if 25 million Iraqis enjoy democracy and freedom, and liberals have to admit they were wrong about something.

But seriously, folks, I'm calling the prediction right here and now. If Iraq works out (in spite of liberal attempts to make sure that doesn't happen), I guarantee that in 20 years liberals will a) take credit for it and b) say it was inevitable anyway, so GWB doesn't get any credit.

Go ask Reagan if he thinks I'm right.

Posted by: Sobek on August 18, 2004 06:42 PM

Holy crap dude. Did you click on that "Hedge Fund Mistress" link?

She's selling a book she wrote. A work of fiction ("thinly disguised.")

"After a heart-wrenching romance with a United States senator, Nicki Matthews wanders the United States eventually ending up in Greenwich, Connecticut. Although it is years later, the
repercussions of that relationship influence her future and that of a nation. Deception, greed and murder set the stage for this modern-day
true-to-life drama set in New York City and Greenwich..."

Nice to see the crazy-eyed lady has taken the dumpage so well.

Posted by: DTLV on August 18, 2004 06:47 PM

Holy shit, blaster. If that quote isn't the perfect example of the left preferring to win an ideological argument instead of winning the war, I don't know what is.

Amazing.

I agree with Captain Ed: Matthews ain't just drinking the kool aid, he's mixing it in huge vats and passing it out in Dixie cups.

Oh, and I would disagree with Sobek on his prediction. 20 years from now the conservative revolution in the universities will be halfway complete, so figure that the retroactive liberal hijacking of Iraqi success will only last through, say, 2040 or so.

Posted by: ccwbass on August 18, 2004 06:48 PM

Sobek,

To perfectly fit the Reagan model, they'd have to give most of the credit to Saddam.

Posted by: DTLV on August 18, 2004 06:49 PM

Awesome quote, Blaster. I put it in an update.

Posted by: ace on August 18, 2004 06:58 PM

It has been evident for a long time that US success in Iraq is bad for the Democrats, US failure is good for them. So the only proper position for them is to hope for us to lose. That's just an awful place to run a campaign from, but damned if they aren't doing it.

Posted by: blaster on August 18, 2004 06:59 PM

I hope ccwbass is right about the conservative revolution (Mike Adams certainly thinks it's possible).

And DTLV, excellent point. Presumably, Saddam the visionary realized that peace in the Middle East was impossible under the status quo, so in a desperate (but successful!) gambit, he deliberately provoked the U.S. into dumping in the necessary time and money to revolutionize the Iraq he loved so much. He called his friends in France, Germany and Russia beforehand and said, "don't worry, guys, I know what I'm doing. I definitely do NOT want you to take up arms to stop America from invading." The Europeans were skeptical, but they knew that Saddam was as self-sacrificing as he was cunning, so they trusted him. Because otherwise, of course, they would have totally used force to stop the Americans in their illegal war.

Dude, the liberals should totally give me a call. I'll bet I could even write a decent Cambodian Christmas spin.

Posted by: Sobek on August 18, 2004 07:00 PM

Were I of a more conspiratorial bent, I might suspect that Kerry's CIA briefers just told him that we've hit the motherlode of nuclear bombs and Al-Qaeda links in Saddam's basement and the news will break any day. Why else would he start taking a stand on something? Especially on this?

No, really, Helen Thomas is right. This is like Bush coming out for abortion. They must be gambling that Bush hatred alone will bring out the faithful.

Posted by: See Dubya on August 18, 2004 07:35 PM

The idiocy exhibited here by Chris Matthews takes my breath away.

Doesn't he even know what an extremist he *sounds* like?

Posted by: Bostonian on August 18, 2004 08:43 PM

"If we do succeed in reconstructing Iraq along the lines of a moderate democracy, then the people who supported the intervention, the preemptive act, the preventive attack on that country, will say we were right. That‘s the problem."

(Insert Eric Cartman's voice here)
Ohh, it's so satisfying and delicious! You coming out and telling me that you drank the koolaid and that you are going to die! Your sweet, sweet tears of anguish and regret! Oh they taste SO GOOD! Oh let me drink your tasty tears of searing, searing pain!

That was wrong. Wrong.
Mmmm Wwaaaaa ha hhaaa haa haaa

Posted by: lauraw on August 18, 2004 08:51 PM

I wouldn't be suprised if, 20 years from now, liberals explained Saddam's downfall roughly like Treacher had it a year ago: he ate too much candy and then when he was all warm and sleepy a shy unicorn came down on a rainbow and convinced him to give the country back to the citizens who rejoiced across the land. (Sorry, Treach, if you're reading this. I just thought it was gold then.)

I mean, really, that's no TOO far off how they describe the end of the USSR.

Posted by: kelly on August 18, 2004 08:51 PM

lauraw,

Why don't you have a blog yet?

Posted by: ccwbass on August 18, 2004 09:17 PM

Except, we always figured Clinton was lying (assuming the allegations were true, which no one at that point could know), so your who premise is fucked.

Posted by: paul on August 19, 2004 04:41 AM

Except, we always figured Clinton was lying (assuming the allegations were true, which no one at that point could know), so your whole premise is fucked.

Posted by: paul on August 19, 2004 04:41 AM

Hey I love to garden, but I don't want to be a landscaper.

Posted by: lauraw on August 19, 2004 11:09 AM

lauraw:

Noted. Since my own blog could use doses of actual humor, you've got an open invitation guest blog anytime.

I feel so dirty making this proposition on Ace's blog. Must be all the testosterone (and . . . other things) dripping from the article.

Posted by: ccwbass on August 19, 2004 12:36 PM

Guess who just forgot which post these comments were attached to?

You may want to avoid my blog so that no one can accuse you of airheadedness (or worse) by association.

Posted by: ccwbass on August 19, 2004 12:45 PM

> "If Iraq works out (in spite of liberal attempts to make sure that doesn't happen), I guarantee that in 20 years liberals will a) take credit for it and b) say it was inevitable anyway, so GWB doesn't get any credit."

Love all the comments, but I think you've underestimated the brazenness of the Liberal/Dem crowd: If Iraq becomes a semi-successful democracy, I'll bet it *won't be a year* before Liberals start revising history the way you predicted.

If you want examples, remember all the articles in the NYT and WaPo after the USSR dissolved that claimed it was "imploding anyway"? Those started appearing within *months* of the end of the Soviet Union.

--sf

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-- reportedly a genuine comment offered by a "senior Labour source"
Correction: I wrote that Labour is losing 88% (now 87%) of the seats it is "defending." I think that's wrong. The right way to say it is the seats they are contesting -- that is, they don't necessarily already hold these seats, but they have put up a candidate to run for the seat. It's still very bad but not as bad as losing 87% of the seats they already held.

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🚨ED MILIBAND [a Minister in Starmer's government] SAYS KEIR STARMER WILL RESIGN AS PRIME MINISTER

He has reportedly reassured Labour MP's that Starmer will be resigning following the disastrous results tonight

It's over

"The end of the two party system in the UK" as first the Fake Conservatives and now Labour chooses political suicide rather than simply STOPPING THE INVASION
Incidentally, the only reason this didn't already happen in the US is because of the Very Bad Orange Man (who is right on 85% of all policy calls and extremely, existentially right on 15% of them)

No political party that is NOT also a doomsday religious cult would EVER choose a cataclysmic loss -- and possible extinction as a party -- to support a toxically unpopular favoritism of NON-CITIZEN ILLEGAL MIGRANTS over actual citizen voters.

Only a cult does this.

Now they've lost 84%.

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That is much worse than the worst case predictions I’ve seen.

Cataclysmic

Update: They've now lost 88% of the seats they're defending. As I mentioned earlier, I think I heard that London will not bail them out, as many of those Labour seats will probably flip to "Muslim Independent" or Green. Detroit's 5am vote will not save them.

Yup, Labour is losing 80% of its seats...

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br> If this continues, Keir Starmer will be out of office next week.

Reform has surged and projected to pick up between 1700-2100 seats.

Wow, up to 1700-2100 seats. It's not incredible that this is happening. It's incredible that the Davos crowd is so absolutely determined to privilege Muslim "migrants" over the actual native population who elects them, no matter how loudly the natives scream that they want to be prioritized, that they will gladly self-extinguish as a party rather than simply representing the interests of their own voters. Astonishing.
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Tonight’s results are calamitous for Labour. Not just for Keir Starmer's leadership, but for the very future of the party

STARMERGEDDON: In early returns, Reform gains 135 seats, Labour loses 90, the Fake Conservatives lose 36 (and I didn't even know they could fall any further), the Lib Dems lose 4, and the Greens gain 6. Note that the only other party gaining seats is the Greens and they're only gaining a handful of seats.
Update: Reform now up 145, Labour down 98.
Labour projected to lose Wales -- where they've ruled for 27 years.
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Brutal: In four out of five council seats where Labour is defending, they've lost. 80%.
I'm sure it's not this simple, but Reform is straight taking Labour's and the "Conservatives'" seats. They've lost almost exactly what Reform gained. If understand this right (and warning, I probably don't), all of London's council seats are up for election, and Labour might lose hugely there, as their old voters abandon them for Reform, Muslim Indenpendents, and the Greens.
REF +190, LAB -134, CON -56.

Updates on the Labour collapse in council elections -- which wags are calling #Starmergeddon -- from Beege Welborne. There are about 5000 seats up for grabs, Labour is expected to lose 1,800, Reform will probably gain 1,580, up from... zero. So this would be more than that.
People claim that while Labour has adopted the Sharia Agenda to appeal to the million Muslims it allowed to migrate to the country, those voters are ditching Labour to vote for the Muslim Independent Party or the Greens. Delicious. This shadenfreude is going straight to my thighs.
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