I don't think Kerry went to the same prep school as Bush (St. Philip's at Andover) He went to St. Paul's. It is, however, also an elite prep school.

I think those records were quietly lost years ago. Sadly, I'm probably not being paranoid here. Here's a man who's willing to base his entire candidacy on three months of service that happened 34 years ago, so it's safe to say that if he could offer actual paper-trail proof of good grades, his Yale transcripts would probably have become his official letterhead. This is a man, after all, who brought journalists along to watch buy a friggin' jockstrap, so modesty simply isn't in his character.

I question the timing of the non-release of this information.

I question the timing of your request for this information.

I questioned the timing of my arrival and departure from work. Then my boss told me to sit my ass back down at my desk, for once in my goddamned life. That's pretty close to a direct quote.

Not that I have personal knowledge one way or the other, but this guy, a former member of the faculty at HBS and a student at the same time as when Bush was there, says that legacies weren't admitted, and that there wasn't any slack given to rich boys of famous family scions.

Hey. John Kerry graduated from Yale and he got a professional degree from a prestigious northeastern school. That sounds like a reasonably bright guy to me. Namely, W.

Oh, wait, W's a moron, right? So that would make Kerry...

See-Dubya: "Oh, wait, W's a moron, right? So that would make Kerry..."

I know! I know! That would make Kerry an OXYMORON! Or Oxen-moron, perhaps? Either way, Kerry is fulla bull!

LOL@Maranna.

I, too, have been wondering about Kerry's grades at Yale. We haven't heard a word...

By the way, just because it bugs me and I like accuracy, Kerry had some sort of ship duty for six months before he did his 4 cong-killing months. It doesn't change his self-serving, puffed-up story any. I just like to keep things straight.

Well we know he went to a "3rd rate law school". At least that's what a liberal accused me of going to, and I went to the same law school.

Where did you find Bush's grades? This is from the Washington Post in 1999 which among other things says that Bush had not allowed his grades from Andover or Yale to be made public. Acording to the article Bush was not a serious student.

.....There would be more adjustments(when he entered Yale) for Bush. He entered his freshman class as a "legacy," the son of an alumnus and the scion of a long line of Yale men, not just his father but his grandfather and uncles. By the time he graduated in 1968, the Yale that Bush entered that fall would be transformed, caught up in the cultural upheaval and national tumult caused by the Vietnam War and the 1960s.

It was a confusing time even for the most directed and driven, and Bush was neither. As Yale changed around him, Bush clung to the traditions of an earlier era, boozy fraternity parties, secret societies and football weekends, while other classmates protested the war and challenged the political establishment that was waging it.

After freshman year, he gathered up his Andover pals and lived with the same group in Davenport College for three years. A mediocre student, Bush majored in history, with grades that were apparently not good enough for admission to the University of Texas law school, which turned him down as an in-state applicant two years after he graduated. Bush has not given permission to either Andover or Yale to release his grades.

Bush seems to have made little impression on his teachers. One of his former Yale professors, James Hutson, now chief of the Library of Congress's manuscript division, said he was "dumbfounded" that a transcript found in Bush's National Guard records, with grades deleted, showed that Bush had taken his seminar on 18th century American history, which had no more than 15 students..........

I can't find Kerry's grades either but this is from the Boston Globe biography. It is a cut and paste on my part.

......Most students who had graduated from Yale with Kerry the previous year knew him as the ultimate Brahmin, the studious and serious class orator who longed to run for president someday....

further down in the article....

Upon his graduation in 1966, Kerry was given the honor of delivering the class oration. Many at Yale noticed that this young man, on his way to becoming a commissioned officer in Vietnam, was critical of the war -- and the use of American military might against communist regimes....