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January 15, 2006
France Backpedals: Talk of Sanctions "Premature"They'll know it's time for action when Tel Aviv has been nuked: France said on Friday that it favours a step-by-step approach over Iran's contested nuclear program and that any sanctions request at this stage would be premature. Forward-Looking Update Through A Glass Darkly: The Great Gulf War of 2007-2011, and the nuclear fire that scorched the world. The devastating nuclear exchange of August 2007 represented not only the failure of diplomacy, it marked the end of the oil age. Some even said it marked the twilight of the West. Certainly, that was one way of interpreting the subsequent spread of the conflict as Iraq's Shi'ite population overran the remaining American bases in their country and the Chinese threatened to intervene on the side of Teheran. posted by Ace at 12:04 AM
CommentsAllah blogs again???!!! Allahu Akbar!!!! Posted by: magnetism87 on January 15, 2006 12:11 AM
Nothing like seeing Tel Aviv will be nuked before going to bed. Ah sweet dreams. Posted by: yls on January 15, 2006 12:13 AM
Let's see...criticize them for their indecisiveness or praise them for their consistency...? Posted by: Slublog on January 15, 2006 12:17 AM
Well, they were right about the lack of WMD last time... Posted by: scarshapedstar on January 15, 2006 12:20 AM
In February, guess who's [coming to dinner] the president-country of the Security Council? That's right, it's the United States of America. January's president is the Republic of Tanzania. Each Council member has one vote. Decisions on procedural matters are made by an affirmative vote of at least nine of the 15 members. Decisions onsubstantive matters require nine votes, including the concurring votes of all five permanent members. This is the rule of "great Power unanimity", often referred to as the "veto" power.
Posted by: Bart on January 15, 2006 12:23 AM
Guys, France has to wait for the check to clear before they can do anything. Don't you know the least bit about international finance? Marianne may be what she is (girl's got needs, ya know?) but she ain't dumb. Posted by: Mikey on January 15, 2006 12:40 AM
France said on Friday that it favours a step-by-step approach over Iran's contested nuclear program and that any sanctions request at this stage would be premature. France then laughed obnoxiously and jumped a jet for Monaco while snorting coke off a whore's ass with a rolled up hundred Iranian Rial note. Posted by: adolfo velasquez on January 15, 2006 12:43 AM
Condi Rice has "backpeddled" in exactly the same way... Posted by: Tank on January 15, 2006 12:55 AM
Condi Rice has "backpeddled" in exactly the same way... I hope that's not the result of some ill-considered arrangement with France that's going to result in them pulling the rug out from under us. Again. Posted by: geoff on January 15, 2006 12:59 AM
Predictions of a future with Iran? I know one. Day One - The War With Iran Posted by: tubino on January 15, 2006 02:55 AM
All this talk of sanctions... America's banker, Hu Jintao, will never allow military attacks on China's primary foreign supplier of oil. Posted by: contrarian on January 15, 2006 02:57 AM
Posted by: insomniabino on January 15, 2006 02:58 AM
I actually have a guy at my site arguing that Iran having nukes would be a good thing. He thinks Israel and Iran would settle down into a mutally assured destruction relationship and since the US wouldn't invade a nuclear Iran, it would usher in a new era of peace. I'm guessing he hasn't read any of the articles lately where the Iranian president thinks that his country's destruction in nuclear fire would pave the way for the return of the Mahdi and the end of the world and all, which for them is a good thing. Also, I'm guessing that he doesn't know that the policy of MAD only works when both sides actually want to live. Posted by: Quintapalus on January 15, 2006 03:39 AM
I actually have a guy at my site arguing that Iran having nukes would be a good thing. Another indication of how deeply BDS has affected the left. Could you have imagined any scenario in which they would support nuclear proliferation? And after 30 years of criticizing MAD, now they want to bring it back? Posted by: geoff on January 15, 2006 03:50 AM
Yeah, that must be liberating, when you have no principles and all. Heh. Posted by: Quintapalus on January 15, 2006 03:58 AM
I don't get it, what is this a fantasy history site? What am I supposed to learn from all these vaporings? Posted by: searp on January 15, 2006 06:19 AM
I don't get it, what is this a fantasy history site? What am I supposed to learn from all these vaporings? You ought to read Herman's prediction of the attack on Baghdad, which he claimed would parallel the siege on Stalingrad - it's available in the supposedly accurate Shock and Awe Followed by Block to Block essay. Posted by: geoff on January 15, 2006 07:58 AM
Fergeson's Fantasy, The Great War of 2007, receives the airing out such vaporous musings disguised as deep analysis deserve... See comment #3 by Michael Herdegen. http://www.rantburg.com/poparticle.php?ID=139802&D=2006-01-15&HC=4 Posted by: noone on January 15, 2006 08:18 AM
Ferguson claims that a passive treatment of the Iran situation may lead to a much worse confrontation after Iran produces nuclear weapons. Herman claims that an attack on Iran could be very costly for America. Both cautionary tales could be true, though neither is particularly convincing as written. But Ferguson's, at least, leaves us with a usable theme - diplomacy and negotation may not be the wisest course in a time-critical scenario involving a foe willing to dissemble to advance its cause. Posted by: geoff on January 15, 2006 09:03 AM
It figures that france would go and do this and then chiraq wonders why he is so low in the polls Posted by: spurwing plover on January 15, 2006 10:15 AM
Sure, tubino, that's how an attack on Iran would go. If the entirety of CentCom suffered a bout of terminal stupidity. First off, there hasn't been a single case of an exocet making it through a Phalanx CWIS, much less the newer RAM. Secondly it's going to take quite a bit more than 1 exocet to bring down a carrier. Have you seen one of those things? They're fucking HUGE. Unlike a tanker they're mostly air, and they're designed to be shot at. Secondly if the US strikes Iran, Israel won't. There will be no need and the political problems of Jews attacking Muslims will make life more difficult. Only if the US does nothing will Israel strike. Thirdly any strike against Iran will be lead by tomahawk strikes to degrade Iranian air defense. They won't happen at dawn, they'll strike at 3 a.m. By dawn there won't be a single functional airstrip in the country, and most of the radar sites will be offline. The first wave of fighters will be armed with HARM missiles to send down the beampath of anything lighting up US planes. About the same time the tomahawks are launched the US will establish CAP over the straits. The 5th fleet won't abandon the Gulf, but will establish convoys through the bottlenecks, using the Aegis system to mitigate the threat to ASM, whose launching sites will be placed on the priority target list. All US and allied bases in the region will have Patriot block 4 batteries defending them against ballistic missiles (in terminal phase there's no difference between a Sahaab and a Scud). By the end of 3 days Iran won't have any ability to project power beyond their borders. Then we begin striking their nuclear research sites. I'm not going to try and predict the political/economic repercussions of these strikes, but given how badly this guy fucked up the military description I don't place any credence in his prognostication abilities. Maybe if he had served in a real branch of the military. Posted by: MMDeuce on January 15, 2006 10:51 AM
Here's a fine site that features Mr. Herman's work. Do a google search on this guy, tiny tube. Take a good look at who your friends are. I'm really impressed. Here's a quote from one of his masterpieces: Are the big Hollywood producers and directors--Jerry Bruckheimer, James Cameron, Steven Spielberg, Michael Bay, Ridley Scott--closely inspecting the scripts for just the right blend of action, suspense and individual acts of heroism, while deleting altogether the details of complicity between government agencies, the dereliction of duty between high officials, the suspicious actions of Israeli "allies," the curious aspect of building collapses, and the inconvenient aspect of Muslim hijackers who never appeared on passenger lists? Nice! Posted by: lauraw on January 15, 2006 11:18 AM
Here's a kindred spirit for you, tiny tube: He believes in everything you believe in. Posted by: lauraw on January 15, 2006 11:23 AM
If anyone cares, I have bloviated at length upon this subject on my own blog. Sooner or later: it will be war. Posted by: Monty on January 15, 2006 01:24 PM
So which fantasy gets your little pecker harder, tubino, the one you just quoted, or the idea that the civilized world just does nothing and lets the mullah's obliterate Israel? Tough call, I know.
Posted by: B Moe on January 15, 2006 01:35 PM
Well, they were right about the lack of WMD last time... ah, no. pre-war French intelligence said Saddam had stockpiles of WMDs. As did German and Russian intelligence. Thanks for playing, here's your very own AceofSpadesHQ, the Board Game™. Posted by: Dave in Texas on January 15, 2006 02:16 PM
B Moe: tubino quoting Douglas Herman's scenario is fair enough. It's on topic, and Herman further provides the "sequel" to Ferguson's "2007-2011 War" speculations on how such a war might actually start. I do wish that Herman hadn't posted it on rense.com, whose front page dabbles in Holocaust denial. Admittedly if it hadn't been published by rense, tubino probably wouldn't have found out about it... Posted by: David Ross on January 15, 2006 02:30 PM
B Moe: tubino quoting Douglas Herman's scenario is fair enough. I don't think anybody questioned whether quoting Herman was topical (although normally an excerpt is sufficient). We *are* questioning its accuracy, the credentials of its author, and what it is supposed to mean as far as our policy towards Iran goes. I think Herman's home on rense.com is appropriate. He believes in the Oliver Stone version of the Kennedy assassination, as well as a number of other conspiracy theories. And as far as I can tell, Herman's military predctions are no more accurate than Ace's football predictions. Posted by: geoff on January 15, 2006 02:40 PM
Herman's military predctions are no more accurate than Ace's football predictions That's what we call a two-fer, right there. Posted by: lauraw on January 15, 2006 03:34 PM
tubino: If you are interested, most of the negative effects of striking Iran you seem to be concerned about can be avoided quite easily - by hitting Iran with nuclear weapons before they can hit us. 500 or so nukes on Iran will solve the Iranian problem, and serve to warn other countries what we are capable of. Posted by: BattleofthePyramids on January 15, 2006 03:42 PM
Damn, Battle of the Pyramids beat me to it..... War with Iran; Day 1(...a different & shorter version) 0300: One hundred 100 kiloton nuclear missiles inpact Iran. (commercial break for advertisement sponsered by Kentucky Fried Chicken.) Posted by: Enola Gay on January 15, 2006 06:21 PM
If anyone cares, I have bloviated at length upon this subject on my own blog. Sooner or later: it will be war. FYI, when Monty says "at length," he's not kidding. But even though I don't agree with him, it is a very interesting and informative read. Posted by: Michael on January 15, 2006 06:44 PM
FYI, when Monty says "at length," he's not kidding Huhh heh heh u huhh Posted by: lauraw on January 15, 2006 07:46 PM
Tubino, some fucking manners? There is simply no need to post such a long excerpt. Posted by: Lee Atwater on January 15, 2006 07:51 PM
Oy, Monty! You're my hero! Posted by: Muslihoon on January 16, 2006 01:07 AM
Threats of Angry Stares Withdrawn, Iranians Heave National Sigh of Relief. Posted by: Scott on January 17, 2006 09:15 AM
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